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#on top of how this is bordering on terf ideology
jasontoddenthusiastt · 8 months
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Since when did shitting on male characters (who are victims, in whatever form they may come in) to promote female characters (who typically aren’t actively angry about what happened to them, as the “ideal” victim) become the defining feature of being a feminist comic fan
#believe it or not being a misandrist is not cool#kelseethe#not to make general statements but so far#every person I’ve seen claiming that 1. Jason is obvs wrong and we shouldn’t think he’s right or#or 2. this female character is a better trauma victim than Jason because xyz#seems to be at least somewhat enthusiastic about female empowerment and promoting female characters/stories#but only at the cost of putting down male characters#their reasoning for why this female character is better is almost always that they've undergone redemption aka ‘bettered’ themselves#by realizing it’s wrong to stay angry and have demands#by conforming to the ideals that the patriarchal systems and the men who enforce this system project onto them#not only is this rhetoric of ‘you should like x character instead of y’ just plain stupid on it’s own#but saying if you’re a woman or feminist you should like x character INSTEAD of y is even stupider#on top of how this is bordering on terf ideology#implying that cis women should only relate to and enjoy stories about other women also implies cis men should only care about men’s pov#regressive and divisive and damaging all around#why do people think Jason fans (whether they be male female or anything else) need to justify liking him#this type of shit leads to the stupidest waste of time discussions#every person who has this opinion also feels the burning desire to tag it with Jason’s name which is just. wonderful#real thoughtful of you to assume we cared or wanted to see that
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ugly-sweater · 1 year
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ok im still thinking about that wildly lesbophobic post. it's kind of hilarious how much it talks about second wave feminism because it's founded on a pretty essentialist view like. it literally says excluding men also excludes trans women (false). i think a lot of people who argue about the restrictive borders of lesbianism (and im sure other identities too) have all these hard lines. like i also don't define lesbianism by "no men" because it's not about them. i don't like the definition "non men loving non men" because im sure there are non men who don't want to be included. it's about women, and womanhood isn't a static definition. like there isn't one cookie cutter shape of woman and i exclude all people who don't fit into it.
also like using a term that is widely used and has grown outside of its original context isn't the same as supporting the person who coined it. like richard dawkins invented the word meme are you claiming all people who make memes agree with his ideology.
you can look at old feminist works and say by todays standards these wouldn't hold up but if we interpret them through a lense of things that are more commonly understood now we can still find them useful.
just because I hate joe biden and so does the conservative nutjob down the street doesn't mean we have the same ideology. like these arguments are all very flimsy.
also for the love of god please stop saying lesbian feminists of the 1960s invented terf bullshit. like that's literally a terf talking point. they want to say they're protecting lesbians. terfs are mostly straight because like every form of bigotry it exists to make those on top more powerful and those on the bottom more exploited. sometimes people who are oppressed on one axis get sucked into the idea that they can get some power by crushing those beneath them, but the idea doesn't start with them. just because there are some lesbians who are terfs doesn't mean being a terf is a "lesbian thing".
also while we're at it: if it has nothing to do with hating trans people, stop saying its terfy. you're not helping anyone. i don't know how to further explain it than this: hurting one group of people doesn't and will never help another group of people. lesbophobia doesn't kill transphobia.
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