#real incest story

[sounknownvoid]

Spn wincest is gothic horror trope

Just wanted to put this out there that kripke n co knew exactly what they were doing with supernatural ... because it was part of the tradition of gothic horror and one of the key tropes of gothic horror? = incest.

From https://www.thegothiclibrary.com/gothic-tropes-incest/ :

"Incest has been a core trope of the Gothic from its very beginnings with the first Gothic novel, The Castle of Otranto by Horace Walpole (1764). " the others being atmosphere and mystery....sounding familiar?...

We've also seen it in movies like "crimson peak" and recently in good ol GOT... but usually, its a cis-het pairing and usually its a "period piece"-setting.... this one is more "modern gothic"

What sets "Supernatural" apart is that 1) its 2xhot guys 2) its a scripted show on a tv-channel with attendant restrictions on portrayal of taboo-topics - incest (or domestic abuse or child abuse etc) is certainly not what you'd "normally" expect to see on a network channel show unless it was a police procedural and even then it'd be heavily restricted. 3) the show manages to somehow bring in these subjects in not only its case-fics and monster of the week formats but also as a series-long arc.

For those that feel like they're "glimpsing" something that perhaps may not be there or "shouldnt" be there or "wtf"-ing through it - its legit and its real - and its a well-known trope of the genre that this show originally started out being an instance of.... coz remember, there are actual lines and long lingerring camera shots and atmosphere created between the brothers - in a scripted show - this stuff had to be written, rehearsed several times with a full crew there and full lighting and camera-angles adjusted, theres editing and post-production and approvals from execs to be obtained etc,etc - all the things that go into making a series..... they didnt just wake up 1xday and go "right we're turning this into an incest thing" - the actors can certainly "slip in" something or writers or directors but it'd be limited to a season or an eposode if they had - it wouldnt be a long running theme throughout the whole show incl other characters and actors saying lines that allude to it (zachariah or ash and his "soulmates" line).

Yes incest is taboo. Yes it is also a legit part of the show - because its part of the genre of gothic horror that supernatural belongs to.

The point of it is to introduce a subject matter that is in itself considered "repulsive" or introduce a level of "social horror" on top of any ghosties and ghoulies in the story....the point is to make it a driver for some of the horror also.

And guess what? - adding a wincest lens does that in spn - it amps up the pathos,the underlying despair and "wrongness", the tragedy of the brothers within the larger story of gods and demons and angels and monsters ...in a very human way. It adds and magnifies the theme of "family is hell" (thanks tenlittlebulletts) and also that just coz they love you, doesnt make it less horrifying - ie love as horror.

What the makers probably didnt bank on and later season-makers backed away from most likely - is how much the 21st century tv audiences wanted 2xhot guys to get it on and didnt care if they were brothers or not - ie, they underestimated how much of a "freak" we,the audiences, were/ are!....😂😅😉

Im still putting together the piece on all the ways that wincest adds/amps things up in the series-arc...likely a longer piece.... [this is not to take away from the awesome performances of all involved or any of the contributions from anyone and yes there might be all this other stuff going on around it: j2 irl speculation or actor-drama or fandom drama etc,etc that ive no idea about xoz i only watched spn during covid n got hooked - but i know theres drama - and im choosing to ignore it all in favour of simply looking at what is in front of me objectively and understanding its role in the genre and within the story being told itself - a story i love deeply].

Hope this helps anyone struggling with their sanity when they see these glimpses and helps to validate what you're seeing - you're not crazy - its there - & it has a purpose within format or "formula" / trope of the genre/story itself.

#supernatural #sam and dean #Spn is gothic horror hence wincest is “real” #Didnt imagine the wincest in spn #I do not condone incest or family violence of any kind - just sayin its part of gothic horror stories #Incest is wrong - obv and also illegal

[thatlittledandere]

Ao3 antis are so fucking funny honestly "this 30-year-old (a crime in and of itself) wrote an imaginary story where imaginary bad things happen to my imaginary blorbo but when I told them to die a violent death I got flagged for harassment??" Honey I know being 16 does fucky things to your brain but do you hear yourself

#venlapost #'what do you MEAN threatening a real person is unacceptable but this story with a rape scene isn't' #honey do you remember looney toones those fuckers literally exploded and the writers are still walking free #and the incest fic on ao3 is read by a couple thousand people at best it's not going to have a big cultural impact #i KNOW deku feels more real to you because you are familiar with his character and the author is a screenname but #the author is real and deku isn't #and your feelings are real too but them being hurt by something not done explicitly TO you is NOT a justification for uh. jack shit

[dirt-str1der]

Wrt the previous post i still get so mad about how stupid some people are about that like okay thank you for letting me know you failed basic reading comprehension

#Listen to my problems #yeah sorry this post is going to be about the incest horror game again #like yes of course the game will attract incest loving audiences this is not the games fault. its extremely well written imo #like yeah the game has the incest ending. you mean the ending where external forces literally discourage you from making it happen ? #‘are you sure this is the route you want to go down?’ like you have to purposefully choose to make it happen for it to happen #thats not the story the game is trying to push you towards thats the ending you get because you went out of your way to get it #‘ashley thinks its funny that they had sex in a prophetic dream’ do her previous actions mean nothing to you ? like did you forget that #ashley literally says things that she knows will make her brother really upset specifically because she wants to see him upset #the incest ending is what you get when you let ashley win and she is like ... not exactly the hero #she doesnt even want to sleep with him like she is not even attracted to him. this isnt a ‘my sibling is hot and i want them’ thing. this is #a ‘im terrified of my brother leaving me and i will do anything to make him stay’ thing. its not a happily ever after it was a last resort #im going to look real stupid if the dev turns out to be pro incest

[perenlop]

Last post reminds me of when I looked at Goodreads reviews for Rubyfruit Jungle (a book I personally do not like btw so I’m not stanning it) and it was largely just people complaining that the book didn’t have an explicit conclusive happy ending or that “the protagonist is rude” or even “this book is so scandalous wtf”

#i dislike rfj because it fantastically fails at what it sets out to do with its theme by making molly out to be Not Like THOSE Lesbians #and goes out of its way to demonize and shit on butch lesbians for being gnc. and literally sees incest in a better light than being butch #not because it ‘’didnt have a wholesome story’’ #which btw is a weird thing to demand from a loosely autobiographical story about a real person #echoed voice

[fishyartist]

Oh ew an artist I followed was posting shit about how we need to be accommodating of sexualizing incest+children because “it’s fiction” bullshit get lost ☠️

#‘’it’s not real’’ you r literally writing words. do you not understand how the act of speaking effects others #like are you fucking stupid #no the character u wrote isnt real but you fucking are and your writing reflects you beliefs #this isn’t a ‘’you can’t write stories about incest or rape or whatever’’ post #b4 I get some dumbass trying that angle #but there’s a VERY obvious difference between ‘’I’m writing about these themes’’ and ‘’I’m getting off to this’’ #and if you post+support the latter I’m not interacting with you as a person #because it shows at BEST that you’re too stupid to handle sensitive topics tactfully #and at worst you actively don’t give a shit/want to hurt people #either way stay the fuck away from me

[frogkunlit]

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#fandom reactions are better than the real thing #how to watch anime correctly #i don&039;t know what i was on when i wrote this #i want a kawaii imouto #i&039;m allowed to hate this anime because i love it #incest for the win! #ore no imouto ga konna ni kawaii wake ga nai #the most beautiful love story #yeah i was trolling

[skenpiel]

Y'know i was going to be like the what r&m episode but. No, i have not seen it, and i am proud of it actually. Ignorance sometimes IS bliss. <3

god i wish i was you so fucking bad

#the last 2 rick and morty seasons have been like. we will make so many fucking stories revolve around incest and/or selfcest it is insane #its bad. its real bad

[swedishboyfriend]

if i'm honest i think consuming taboo "proship" type fiction is less harmful than most peoples' interest in true crime

#western civilisation became obsessed with graphic stories of violence and murder that happened to all people with real families #who are frequently still alive to watch their tragedy get exploited #i think we can withstand a couple incest ao3 fics

[crypt1dcorv1dae]

Wish it was possible to create a story with siblings who have a very important bond and care more deeply about each other than anyone without people being like. Weird about it.

Wish I could comfortably put out my stories where deep familial bonds are some of the biggest driving forces WITHOUT PEOPLE BEING WEIRD ABOUT IT.

I just want to make stories about siblings!!! About families!!! Biological, adopted, found. Anything! Without! People! Being! Weird!!!!

#like. winston in particular is extremely protective of and devoted to his sister but thats bc they have a real fucked up life #and he has good reason to be protective #but so much of what i could do to to explore and show that would look to some like something different #its hard to show familial devotion without weirdos latching onto it and claiming it's somehow actually incest shit #tho to be fair it doesnt take much for those types to make those claims. all you need to do is have family members exist at all tbh #they will reach any distance. and i hte that. bc i know that any focus placed onto family relationships will only encourage them #but i love family!!! family is one of the driving forces of most of my stories!!! because i love my family!!!! and i want these people far #far away from me!!!! #but i cant have both!!!!