#this isn't even a jancy v st*ncy thing

[ronanceisintheair]

Why do people on the poll think it's crazier for Jonathan, with the self confidence of a dirty mop bucket and daddy issues, to lie FOR NANCY'S SAKE(not Steve's)

than it is for Steve to actually ask Jonathan, guy who he's been so insecure over he publicly slut shamed Nancy simply for sitting on the bed in the privacy of her bedroom, to take her home.

Like why would Steve actually ask Jonathan to take her home. Steve who made a full sprint towards the door after the bullshit conversation. Steve who was actively upset that Nancy got a ride home from the party... by Jonathan.

*All the people saying why would Jonathan lie for Steve(which he wasn't lying for Steve's sake) instead of why would Steve ask Jonathan in the first place AND THEN get upset about it... if he had asked Jonathan.

#this isn't even a jancy v st*ncy thing #this is just a the evidence is right in front of you #nancy wheeler #jonathan byers #jancy #steve in the same episode didn't even want to go to the dinner at the Hollands #this isn't even supposed to be anti steve. it's literally just can yall get your head out of your ass for five seconds #he can be your favorite and you can admit he did shitty things #you don't have to live in delusion or try to justify shitty behavior #that's the problem with fandom these days. they have to make their characters out to be squeaky clean by denying the obvious

[alwaysthequietones]

i haven't watched dawson's creek but ever since writers made that tweet i've become more convinced that some of these parallels are actually worth looking into

i've seen people say pacey and steve are v similar and i have seen all the parallels regarding stancy and it does look like there's some actual connections

again i haven't watched the show, so i'll ask you for your (unbiased please) opinion; looking at the whole thing is there any way pacey and joey have some parallels with jancy as well? and when it comes to all the stancy parallels do you think writers making that tweet recently possibly alludes to them continuing with jacey/stancy agenda and actually giving stancy their endgame?

I mean, it is hard to say. These parallels might be completely a moot point and not have any correlation with what the Duffer brothers are doing. So I might be making these posts just for shits and giggles. lmao But we do know that the Duffer brothers were "obsessed" with DC. And then that tweet of the writers room with the Dawson/Pacey picture...Hmmm

Because the context of the love triangle in DC is completely different than the one in ST. There are a few little things here and there that could apply to j*ncy but when you look at the characters individually and the couple dynamics and their overall arc (individually and together) and growth, I feel fairly confident in saying Pacey=Steve, Joey=Nancy and Dawson=Jonathan. If I had to make a comparison, bc again a very different show than ST. Even hearing the showrunners commentary on why they ended up choosing Pacey over Dawson to end up with Joey in the end, is very stancy coded somehow? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaqTsKGxFzo)

Because the showrunner, from the beginning, had planned for her to end up with Dawson (Why? Dawson is universally hated.) But then things changed. Partly bc Joshua Jackson (Pacey) told them to reconsider, basically saying, look back on the journey, respect the journey, the only way is for it to be P/J. Pacey is also a very romantically centered character and the showrunners said that his arc had to be romantically fulfilled for him to have a satisfying ending. But he's always been in love with Joey and him ending up with someone that isn't her, would feel false. The showrunners also said that even though they had planned her and Dawson since the start, they actually couldn't envision them living day-to-day regular life together somehow by the time they were coming up to the series finale. + "P/j has the chemistry" "Joey becomes a lighter person around Pacey." etc....

Joey is also someone very ambitious, sarcastic, cynical (about love sometimes too), working hard to get into collage and get out of her small town....

Pacey is self deprecating, doesn't consider himself smart enough to make something of himself, often feels like the black sheep of the family...

Dawson is literally the worst and Jonathan despite obvious flaws is still 100x the man than that universally hated guy is an aspiring filmmaker. Has a pretentious air about him and often belittles others and their problems around him because the only problems he actually cares about are his own. Again, I cannot stress this enough Jonathan>>>>>>>>Dawson.

So it's interesting to see how their arc and ending are deemed satisfying in certain ways too (and honestly could be applied to N/S/J too):

Joey gets out her small town, becomes a talented editor and gets a partner that she loves and that fully loves her and moves in with her to the city. Career AND romantic life fulfilled

Dawson always dreamed of turning his passion into a profession and meeting Spielberg. He ends the show doing both. Career fulfillment

And Pacey, he only felt fully alive when he could be with and love the woman in his life. And he does. Romantically fulfilled.

In other words, this could all mean nothing and I have no fucking clue.

#ask #stancy #dawson's creek