#ur ask turned my brain to radio static thinking abt the hesitationlessness abt bruce killing

[olddustorange]

i'm thinking of your post defining the distinctions btwn an UtRH-type of situation happening to dick vs. jason and remembering what winick said (fuckyeahjasontodd(.)tumblr(.)com/post/4453226759/ and comic-commentary(.)tumblr(.)com/post/127896465414/ ) - that if dick had died, then bruce absolutely and definitively would've killed the joker, immediately, no hesitation, etc. and i think this is supported in stories like infinite crisis and even some golden age + silver age batman stories - which is interesting to me because dick would never want bruce to kill, and especially not for his sake!!

JUDD WINICK: But some of that is just Jason fooling himself. The truth is, all of it is based in the fact that Jason is just damaged and tortured and angry with Bruce. And this is a constant revenge upon him.

Jason hates Dick Grayson. He’s the good son; he’s the one that worked out; he’s the one that “Dad” loves best. For me, there’s a philosophy behind Jason and Dick that I haven’t had a chance to play out fully. I don’t think it’s going to play out in this story, because it’s probably not the place for it. But I don’t mind putting the philosophy out there:

One thing that haunts Jason is that he thinks if Dick Grayson who was the one that was about to die, Batman would have saved him.

And worse, if Dick Grayson was murdered, Jason knows that Batman would have killed Joker. He knows that in his heart.

The dark, dark thing for Jason is that he doesn’t feel Bruce’s refusal to take revenge on the Joker is just about Batman’s morals and code that he won’t break. He thinks it’s about him. He thinks that if Dick Grayson was the one who was murdered, Batman would have definitely killed Joker.

JUDD WINICK: Dick, [Jason] also hates, but for entirely different reasons. That’s sort of like [Dick]’s the good son. I think Jason feels superiority to Dick Grayson. It’s behind that Dick’s the goody-two-shoes. That’s an understatement of how he feels. He also understands that Dick Grayson’s never going to be Batman. That’s where the condescension comes in. You’re never going to be Batman, you don’t have that thing, that flaw in your character that makes Batman Batman. He’s like, I know I have that. He thinks he can do better than Batman. I think he looks down at Dick. 

o ur mind is beautiful anon

#SO TRUE #ur ask turned my brain to radio static thinking abt the hesitationlessness abt bruce killing