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PERIOD DRAMA APPRECIATION WEEK 2023 | Day 4 (July 6th): Favorite Time Period/Era → Tudor England

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ELIZABETH (1998) dir. SHEKHAR KAPUR

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How it started:

How it's going:

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@english-history-trip

#archaeology #margaret beaufort #tudors

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it’s margaret beaufort’s birthday today so

there’s no evidence margaret had any intentions of her son becoming king prior to 1483, she worked instead with both edward iv and richard iii to obtain a pardon for him and a return of his ancestral lands, but these attempts never got far

margaret arranged her marriage to henry stafford herself, the marriage lasted 13 years and they were reported to be happy together, margaret would rebuild their home woking palace in her later years

there’s no evidence margaret ever personally plotted against the yorkist regime until the fall of 1483, after it had become rumored that richard had murdered his nephews which then gave henry the advantage he needed to make an official claim to the english throne, there’s nothing to suggest margaret influenced this decision at all

margaret and henry got along notably well, there was after all barely a 12 years difference between them and it is thought they were both eager to make up the lost time, margaret’s did not control or manipulate her son, he respected her advice and wisdom, in fact in henry’s later years when he reputation grew worse margaret had begun to live away from court, she had her own life and estates

margaret was known for her piety and charity and also her friendliness and humour, margaret founded schools in oxford and cambridge and was highly educated and intelligent herself

margaret was a survivor and certainly had a nerve of steel that she would hand down to her son and her great grandaughter elizabeth, but she is not the fanatical schemer she is so often misrepresented as but a woman who despite all the odds against managed to flourish in a violent era and help work to create peace to a troubled realm

#margaret beaufort #love you

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Feminism in historical fiction isn’t about Girl Powah, it’s about respecting historical women as full and rounded human beings and not limiting women to madonnas and whores, with the occasional amazon thrown in. It’s about hard work and actually giving a damn about the historical record. It’s about acknowledging the gaps in the record and giving some benefit of the doubt to unknown women, and not making obscure historical women into hysterics or nagging bitter harpies, when what little we have shows them as no worse than their male counterparts, or as women who were loved and valued by those who knew them far better than we do.

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Young Margaret Beaufort with baby Henry VII of England.

#happy birthday margaret beaufort #henry vii #tudor history

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Me every time I start a new Tudor England period drama: Maybe Anne Boleyn won’t die this time.

#Mutual feeling #anne boleyn #Tudor England

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A good article by Susan Bordo from 2013 discussing some of the similarities and differences between Anne Boleyn and Elizabeth Woodville. This came out around the time that The White Queen did. It's a review of the show but also has some good sources that are cited.

#anne boleyn #elizabeth woodville #the tudors #the white queen

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Someone: “You can’t say that Arthur Tudor and Katherine of Aragon might have consummated their marriage without taking into account that Anne Boleyn also could have been adulterous. There’s no way of knowing now!”

Me:

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I’m rereading White Bear, Red Rose.

Just saying. You guys need to read this ASAP!!

Thanks @theladyelizabeth for writing this.

#Sharing now #Check this out everyone

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Thinking about how Becoming Elizabeth season 2 would be airing around now if it hadn't been cancelled.

#elizabeth i #becoming elizabeth #the tudors

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"the tudors slandered richard iii with their evil tudor propaganda" henry viii began a campaign to blacken his father's legacy and reverse a significant number of his effective policies the moment he died. the popular image of richard iii as a hunchbacked villain has been, if not deposed, then certainly profoundly criticised. henry vii, on the other hand, is still remembered as a miserly villain. how's that for tudor propaganda?

#wooding tag #henry vii #propaganda tag #Poor Henry VII he deserved better. #Thankfully nowadays he's getting more of the appreciation that he deserves

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I'll post it on my blog.

there’s a weird overlap and intersection in wotr fans and ‘marians’ insofar as the opinion that the boleyn downfall should have been expected by them bcus they were usurpers and really horrific consequences happen to usurpers and their supporters and that’s just the way it goes …

however this view ignores in large part that this is not really what condemned them, more like a contributing factor insofar as many boleyn opponents did believe they were usurpers and this was their blueprint for their participation in their ruin. was princess mary, or her mother before 1536, restored this could be credibly argued but neither were. even arguing a ‘restoration’ of the ‘rightful’ order in the third succession act is facile because the vast majority of boleyn opponents by this year were executed themselves, this cannot be argued as their accomplishment (the seymours being the one exception, except that this was not a ‘restoration’, it was the exalting of a new heir and legitimated line of succession at the expense of his sisters; because both were still considered illegitimate within the terms of the act it’s stretching to claim mary’s supporters ‘won’ the bona fides claim, she was set above elizabeth only for being the elder).

also like the many retributive executions in the wotr notwithstanding, to take this line of reasoning to the hilt becomes very messy. should the parents of the princes in the tower have expected their murders/disappearance because it was inevitable that their usurpation of the lancastrian king & queen and the demotion or destruction of their supporters was going to come back to bite ? this assumes history is completely linear with no alternative paths possible at any given moment, and also ignores that the person with the most power at the time of their disappearance was yorkist. should it then be that this should merely have been what the woodvilles expected? their price for their concentration of power and influence at the expense of other nobility? this is argued less and so the result is that there’s this sort of selective dissonance in discussion of what people in power ‘deserved’ or what they should have ‘expected’ that seems to boil down to how people feel about those people as their/ fictional characters/portrayals > real people (or maybe more specifically, how they feel about their enemies).

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there’s a weird overlap and intersection in wotr fans and ‘marians’ insofar as the opinion that the boleyn downfall should have been expected by them bcus they were usurpers and really horrific consequences happen to usurpers and their supporters and that’s just the way it goes …

however this view ignores in large part that this is not really what condemned them, more like a contributing factor insofar as many boleyn opponents did believe they were usurpers and this was their blueprint for their participation in their ruin. was princess mary, or her mother before 1536, restored this could be credibly argued but neither were. even arguing a ‘restoration’ of the ‘rightful’ order in the third succession act is facile because the vast majority of boleyn opponents by this year were executed themselves, this cannot be argued as their accomplishment (the seymours being the one exception, except that this was not a ‘restoration’, it was the exalting of a new heir and legitimated line of succession at the expense of his sisters; because both were still considered illegitimate within the terms of the act it’s stretching to claim mary’s supporters ‘won’ the bona fides claim, she was set above elizabeth only for being the elder).

also like the many retributive executions in the wotr notwithstanding, to take this line of reasoning to the hilt becomes very messy. should the parents of the princes in the tower have expected their murders/disappearance because it was inevitable that their usurpation of the lancastrian king & queen and the demotion or destruction of their supporters was going to come back to bite ? this assumes history is completely linear with no alternative paths possible at any given moment, and also ignores that the person with the most power at the time of their disappearance was yorkist. should it then be that this should merely have been what the woodvilles expected? their price for their concentration of power and influence at the expense of other nobility? this is argued less and so the result is that there’s this sort of selective dissonance in discussion of what people in power ‘deserved’ or what they should have ‘expected’ that seems to boil down to how people feel about those people as their/ fictional characters/portrayals > real people (or maybe more specifically, how they feel about their enemies).

#I'm going to find an article that came out around the same time The White Queen did and send it to you. #It focuses on the similarities between Elizabeth Woodville and Anne Boleyn. It also explores the different ways they are portrayed in film.

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