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Operation Stumpy Re-Read
A FEAST FOR CROWS
Summary & Foreshadowing Smorgasbord (Part III)
The epic conclusion of the blockbuster trilogy.
AFFC PART III: UNDER THE CUT
Chapter Transitions
JONSA 🐺❤️❄️
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AFFC Part I: CLICK
Sansa Stark, Queen in the North
Jon Snow, King in the North
Jon (Aemon?) Snow
Ahoy Matey! Arya Stark Sails the Ocean Blue
Bran the Broken, King of Westeros
High Septon Rickon?
Pick Your Poison: The Twins Meet Their End in the Bowels of Casterly Rock . . . or King's Landing
Younger and More Beautiful Cersei
AFFC PART II: CLICK
Dark Daenerys Highlights & Laughs
Let's Dance: Stark vs. Targ
A Rat in a Maze 🐀🔪
The Usurper's Knife
Storm x Storm 🦑🖤🐉
Squid Game
Previous books:
AGOT Summary & Foreshadowing: CLICK
ACOK Summary & Foreshadowing: PART I / PART II
ASOS Summary & Foreshadowing: PART I / PART II / PART III / PART IV
Stumpy note:
If I didn't give you credit for discovering something or if I missed any foreshadowing, please contact me and I'll rectify that.
Once again, I'd like to thank everyone who participated in the reread project. All of you have great observations and comments, I wish I could highlight them all. 🙂
CHAPTER TRANSITIONS
Damn that man for breaking up this book, and ruining the chapter transition foreshadowing.
Prologue -> <- The Prophet
The storm is coming.
Thank you, @decadelongsummer!
"No," said Alleras. "It was Prince Rhaegar's young son Aegon whose head was dashed against the wall by the Lion of Lannister's brave men. We speak of Rhaegar's sister, born on Dragonstone before its fall. The one they called Daenerys."
"The Stormborn. I recall her now." - Prologue, AFFC
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A storm was brewing, he could hear it in the waves, and storms brought naught but evil. 
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He was born a lord's son and died a king, murdered by a jealous god, Aeron thought, and now the storm is coming, a storm such as these isles have never known.
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Aeron tugged his beard, and thought. I have seen the storm, and its name is Euron Crow's Eye. - The Prophet, AFFC
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Brienne I -> <- Samwell I
Two protagonists want to live up to their swords.
"A sword is only as good as the man who wields it."
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When she slid Oathkeeper from the ornate scabbard, Brienne's breath caught in her throat. Black and red the ripples ran, deep within the steel. Valyrian steel, spell-forged. It was a sword fit for a hero. When she was small, her nurse had filled her ears with tales of valor, regaling her with the noble exploits of Ser Galladon of Morne, Florian the Fool, Prince Aemon the Dragonknight, and other champions. Each man bore a famous sword, and surely Oathkeeper belonged in their company, even if she herself did not. - Brienne I, AFFC
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Once, when Jon came to consult with Maester Aemon, Sam had asked him why he spent so much time at swordplay. "The Old Bear never trained much when he was Lord Commander," he had pointed out. In answer, Jon had pressed Longclaw into Sam's hand. He let him feel the lightness, the balance, had him turn the blade so that ripples gleamed in the smoke-dark metal. "Valyrian steel," he said, "spell-forged and razor-sharp, nigh on indestructible. A swordsman should be as good as his sword, Sam. Longclaw is Valyrian steel, but I'm not. The Halfhand could have killed me as easy as you swat a bug." - Samwell I, AFFC
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Brienne I -> <- Samwell I
Encounters with mice.
Thank you, @decadelongsummer!
"Ser Shadrich of the Shady Glen. Some call me the Mad Mouse." He turned his shield to show her his sigil, a large white mouse with fierce red eyes, on bendy brown and blue. - Brienne I, AFFC
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Sam was reading about the Others when he saw the mouse. - Samwell I, AFFC
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Samwell I -> <- Arya I
Three characters are on a collision course.
Dareon will join you at Eastwatch. My hope is that his songs will win some men for us in the south. The Blackbird will deliver you to Braavos. From there you'll arrange your own passage to Oldtown. - Samwell I, AFFC
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Braavos might not be so bad. Syrio was from Braavos, and Jaqen might be there as well. - Arya I, AFFC
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Cersei II -> <- Jaime I
Play-by-play on the state of Tywin Lannister's rotting corpse.
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Jaime I -> <- Brienne II
Royal blood in back-to-back chapters.
"I see you wonder, what sort of name is that?" the man had cackled when Jaime went to question him. "It is an old name, 'tis true. I am not one to boast, but there is royal blood in my veins. I am descended from a princess. My father told me the tale when I was a tad of a lad." Longwaters had not been a tad of a lad for many a year, to judge from his spotted head and the white hairs growing from his chin. - Jaime I, AFFC
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"Well, there's Darkes, I'm one myself. My husband says I was Darke before we wed, and darker afterward." She laughed. "Can't throw a stone in Duskendale without you hit some Darke or Darkwood or Dargood, but the lordly Darklyns are all gone. Lord Denys was the last o' them, the sweet young fool. Did you know the Darklyns were kings in Duskendale before the Andals come? You'd never know t'look at me, but I got me royal blood. Can you see it? 'Your Grace, another cup of ale,' I ought to make them say. 'Your Grace, the chamber pot needs emptying, and fetch in some fresh faggots, Your Bloody Grace, the fire's going out.'" She laughed again and shook the last drops from the pail. - Brienne II, AFFC
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Jaime I -> <- Brienne II
Crows are feasting.
On the morning after the battle, the crows had feasted on victors and vanquished alike, as once they had feasted on Rhaegar Targaryen after the Trident. How much can a crown be worth, when a crow can dine upon a king? There were crows circling the seven towers and great dome of Baelor's Sept even now, Jaime suspected, their black wings beating against the night air as they searched for a way inside. Every crow in the Seven Kingdoms should pay homage to you, Father. From Castamere to the Blackwater, you fed them well. - Jaime I, AFFC
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The looters come with the carrion crows after every battle. 
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Lord Tarly's own striding huntsman appeared on many a badge and brooch and doublet. Friend or foe, the crows care not. - Brienne II, AFFC
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Brienne II -> <- Sansa I
Blood calls to blood. Somebody is noticeably missing the second time we get the rundown.
Or would she seek her own blood instead? Though all of her siblings had been slain, Brienne knew that Sansa still had an uncle and a bastard half brother on the Wall, serving in the Night's Watch. Another uncle, Edmure Tully, was a captive at the Twins, but his uncle Ser Brynden still held Riverrun. And Lady Catelyn's younger sister ruled the Vale. Blood calls to blood. Sansa might well have run to one of them. Which one, though? - Brienne II, AFFC
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She would have fled them both, perhaps, but there was nowhere for her to go. Winterfell was burned and desolate, Bran and Rickon dead and cold. Robb had been betrayed and murdered at the Twins, along with their lady mother. Tyrion had been put to death for killing Joffrey, and if she ever returned to King's Landing the queen would have her head as well. The aunt she'd hoped would keep her safe had tried to murder her instead. Her uncle Edmure was a captive of the Freys, while her great-uncle the Blackfish was under siege at Riverrun. I have no place but here, Sansa thought miserably, and no true friend but Petyr. - Sansa I, AFFC
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Brienne II -> <- Sansa I
Sansa's hoarding gods.
But when Brienne asked about Sansa, she said, "I'll tell you what I told Lord Tywin. That girl was always praying. She'd go to sept and light her candles like a proper lady, but near every night she went off to the godswood. She's gone back north, she has. That's where her gods are." - Brienne II, AFFC
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They hadn't, though, not for a year or more. Sansa had prayed to the Seven in their sept and old gods of the heart tree, asking them to bring the old man back, or better still to send another singer, young and handsome. But the gods never answered, and the halls of Winterfell stayed silent. - Sansa I, AFFC
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Sansa I <- The Kraken's Daughter
Asha's hilarious reunion with a fostered ghost from her past.
"Asha?" A shadow stepped out from behind the well.
Her hand went to her dirk at once . . . until the moonlight transformed the dark shape into a man in a sealskin cloak. Another ghost. "Tris. I'd thought to find you in the hall."
"I wanted to see you."
"What part of me, I wonder?" She grinned. "Well, here I stand, all grown up. Look all you like."
"A woman." He moved closer. "And beautiful."
Tristifer Botley had filled out since last she'd seen him, but he had the same unruly hair that she remembered, and eyes as large and trusting as a seal's. Sweet eyes, truly. That was the trouble with poor Tristifer; he was too sweet for the Iron Islands. His face has grown comely, she thought. 
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"If you like. It's nought to me. You look so lovely in the moonlight, Asha. A woman grown now, but I remember when you were a skinny girl with a face all full of pimples."
Why must they always mention the pimples? "I remember that as well." Though not as fondly as you do. Of the five boys her mother had brought to Pyke to foster after Ned Stark had taken her last living son as hostage, Tris had been closest to Asha in age. He had not been the first boy she had ever kissed, but he was the first to undo the laces of her jerkin and slip a sweaty hand beneath to feel her budding breasts.
I would have let him feel more than that if he'd been bold enough. Her first flowering had come upon her during the war and wakened her desire, but even before that Asha had been curious. He was there, he was mine own age, and he was willing, that was all it was . . . that, and the moon blood. Even so, she'd called it love, till Tris began to go on about the children she would bear him; a dozen sons at least, and oh, some daughters too. - The Kraken's Daughter, AFFC
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Brienne III <- Samwell II
Someone gets an escort to Eastwatch with one of Brienne's ancestors.
He sent me north aboard the Golden Dragon, and insisted that his friend Ser Duncan see me safe to Eastwatch. - Samwell II, AFFC
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Brienne III -> <- Samwell II
Where's little Dickon Tarly? Not at Horn Hill.
"Mooton's daughter, she's a maid," the man went on. "Till the bedding, anyways. These eggs, they're for her wedding. Her and Tarly's son. The cooks will need eggs for cakes."
"They will." Lord Tarly's son. Young Dickon's to be wed. She tried to recall how old he was; eight or ten, she thought. - Brienne III, AFFC
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"I am a man now, Mother," I could tell her, "a steward, and a man of the Night's Watch. My brothers call me Sam the Slayer sometimes." He would see his brother Dickon too, and his sisters. "See," I could tell them, "see, I was good for something after all." - Samwell II, AFFC
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Brienne III -> <- Samwell II
Two sides of Hyle Hunt.
They had a wager.
Three of the younger knights had started it, he told her: Ambrose, Bushy, and Hyle Hunt, of his own household. As word spread through the camp, however, others had joined the game. Each man was required to buy into the contest with a golden dragon, the whole sum to go to whoever claimed her maidenhead. - Brienne III, AFFC
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Looking at the water only made him think of drowning. When he was small his lord father had tried to teach him how to swim by throwing him into the pond beneath Horn Hill. The water had gotten in his nose and in his mouth and in his lungs, and he coughed and wheezed for hours after Ser Hyle pulled him out. - Samwell II, AFFC
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Jaime II -> Cersei IV
Kingsguard having affairs with their queen.
"Who?" Ser Loras craned his head around to see. "Ten black pellets on a scarlet field. I do not know those arms."
"They belonged to Criston Cole, who served the first Viserys and the second Aegon." Jaime closed the White Book. "They called him Kingmaker." - Jaime II, AFFC
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Cersei IV -> <- The Iron Captain -> <- The Drowned Man
Who is smart enough to give Asha some land for her help?
"Could we make use of the ironmen?" asked Orton Merryweather. "The enemy of our enemy? What would the Seastone Chair want of us as the price of an alliance?"
"They want the north," Grand Maester Pycelle said, "which our queen's noble father promised to House Bolton."
"How inconvenient," said Merryweather. "Still, the north is large. The lands could be divided. It need not be a permanent arrangement. Bolton might consent, so long as we assure him that our strength will be his once Stannis is destroyed." - Cersei IV, AFFC
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"To end this war before this war ends us. We have won all that we are like to win . . . and stand to lose all just as quick, unless we make a peace. I have shown Lady Glover every courtesy, and she swears her lord will treat with me. If we hand back Deepwood Motte, Torrhen's Square, and Moat Cailin, she says, the northmen will cede us Sea Dragon Point and all the Stony Shore. Those lands are thinly peopled, yet ten times larger than all the isles put together. An exchange of hostages will seal the pact, and each side will agree to make common cause with the other should the Iron Throne—" - The Iron Captain, AFFC
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"Peace," said Asha. "Land. Victory. I'll give you Sea Dragon Point and the Stony Shore, black earth and tall trees and stones enough for every younger son to build a hall. We'll have the northmen too . . . as friends, to stand with us against the Iron Throne. Your choice is simple. Crown me, for peace and victory. Or crown my nuncle, for more war and more defeat." She sheathed her dirk again. "What will you have, ironmen?" - The Drowned Man, AFFC
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The Iron Captain -> <- The Drowned Man
Fun times at the kingsmoot.
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Arya II -> <- Alayne I
Two sisters have new names.
She bit her lip. "Could I be Cat?"
"Cat." He considered. "Yes. Braavos is full of cats. One more will not be noticed. You are Cat, an orphan of . . ." - Arya II, AFFC
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As the rising sun came streaming through the windows, Alayne sat up in bed and stretched. - Alayne I, AFFC
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Alayne I -> <- Cersei V
Time to pluck the roses.
"How old are you, child?" asked Lady Waynwood.
"Four-fourteen, my lady." For a moment she forgot how old Alayne should be. "And I am no child, but a maiden flowered."
"But not deflowered, one can hope." Young Lord Hunter's bushy mustache hid his mouth entirely.
"Yet," said Lyn Corbray, as if she were not there. "But ripe for plucking soon, I'd say." - Alayne I, AFFC
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"Only?" The queen let a hint of anger edge her words. "I must confess, I am running short of patience with dear Osney. It is past time he broke in that little filly. I named him Tommen's sworn shield so he could spend part of every day in Margaery's company. He should have plucked the rose by now. Is the little queen blind to his charms?" - Cersei V, AFFC
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Samwell IV -> <- Cersei IV
Summer Islanders and the Faith have very different views on sex.
"You do not understand. Last night we . . ."
". . . honored your dead, and the gods who made you both. Xhondo did the same. I had the child, else I would have been with him. All you Westerosi make a shame of loving. There is no shame in loving. If your septons say there is, your seven gods must be demons. In the isles we know better. Our gods gave us legs to run with, noses to smell with, hands to touch and feel. What mad cruel god would give a man eyes and tell him he must forever keep them shut, and never look at all the beauty in the world? Only a monster god, a demon of the darkness." Kojja put her hand between Sam's legs. "The gods gave you this for a reason too, for . . . what is your Westerosi word?"
"Fucking," Xhondo offered helpfully. - Samwell IV, AFFC
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Septon Raynard assumed a regretful tone. "His High Holiness sent me in his stead, and bade me tell Your Grace that the Seven have sent him forth to battle wickedness."
"How? By preaching chastity along the Street of Silk? Does he think praying over whores will turn them back to virgins?"
"Our bodies were shaped by our Father and Mother so we might join male to female and beget trueborn children," Raynard replied. "It is base and sinful for women to sell their holy parts for coin." - Cersei VIII, AFFC
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Brienne VII -> <- Jaime VI
Talk of diverting the Trident.
The innkeep never hung another sign, so men forgot the dragon and took to calling the place the River Inn. In those days, the Trident flowed beneath its back door, and half its rooms were built out over the water. Guests could throw a line out their window and catch trout, it's said. There was a ferry landing here as well, so travelers could cross to Lord Harroway's Town and Whitewalls."
"We left the Trident south of here, and have been riding north and west . . . not toward the river but away from it."
"Aye, my lady," the septon said. "The river moved. Seventy years ago, it was. Or was it eighty? - Brenne VII, AFFC
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When the castle falls, all those inside will be put to the sword. Your herds will be butchered, your godswood will be felled, your keeps and towers will burn. I'll pull your walls down, and divert the Tumblestone over the ruins. - Jaime VI, AFFC
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Jaime VI -> <- Cersei IX
Cersei's titles.
On her head a circlet of hammered bronze sat askew, graven with runes and ringed with small black swords. When she saw Jaime, she laughed. "Who in seven hells is this one?"
"The Lord Commander of the Kingsguard," Jaime returned with cold courtesy. "I might ask the same of you, my lady."
"Lady? I'm no lady. I'm the queen."
"My sister will be surprised to hear that."
"Lord Ryman crowned me his very self." She gave a shake of her ample hips. "I'm the queen o' whores."
No, Jaime thought, my sweet sister holds that title too. - Jaime VI, AFFC
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"We waited long enough." He thrust his fingers inside the bodice of her gown and yanked, and the silk parted with a ripping sound so loud that Cersei was afraid that half of the Red Keep must have heard it. "Take off the rest before I tear that too," he said. "You can keep the crown on. I like you in the crown." - Cersei IX, AFFC
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Alayne II -> <- Brienne VIII
Brienne won't show her fear.
And yet the thought of leaving frightened her almost as much as it frightened Robert. She only hid it better. Her father said there was no shame in being afraid, only in showing your fear. "All men live with fear," he said. Alayne was not certain she believed that. Nothing frightened Petyr Baelish. - Alayne II, AFFC
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I will not be afraid, she told herself, but it was too late for that. I will not let them see my fear, she promised herself instead. - Brienne VIII, AFFC
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Cersei X -> <- Jaime VII
Cersei's ripping up her clothes.
I will teach them what it means to put a lion in a cage, Cersei thought. She tore the shift into a hundred pieces, found a ewer of water and smashed it against the wall, then did the same with the chamber pot. - Cersei X, AFFC
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Jeyne never saw him at all. The widow rode with downcast eyes, huddled beneath a hooded cloak. Underneath its heavy folds, her clothes were finely made, but torn. She ripped them herself, as a mark of mourning, Jaime realized. That could not have pleased her mother. He found himself wondering if Cersei would tear her gown if she should ever hear that he was dead. - Jaime VII, AFFC
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Cersei X -> <- Jaime VII
Right before walking into a disaster (a book delays Jaime), the twins are cold as ice.
Cersei could feel the eyes of the Seven staring at her, eyes of jade and malachite and onyx, and a sudden shiver of fear went through her, cold as ice. I am the queen, she told herself. Lord Tywin's daughter. Reluctantly, she followed. - Cersei X, AFFC
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He woke in darkness, shivering. The room had grown cold as ice. Jaime flung aside the covers with the stump of his sword hand. The fire in the hearth had died, he saw, and the window had blown open. He crossed the pitch-dark chamber to fumble with the shutters, but when he reached the window his bare foot came down in something wet. Jaime recoiled, startled for a moment. His first thought was of blood, but blood would not have been so cold.
It was snow, drifting through the window. - Jaime VII, AFFC
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Prologue -> <- Samwell V
AGOT
Prologue: ice threat introduction.
Final chapter: fire threat introduction.
ACOK
Prologue: cold-hearted King Stannis with his dying maester.
Final chapter: kindhearted King Bran with his dying maester.
ASOS
Prologue: Cursed snowflakes, and Jon Snow.
Sansa VII: Drifting snowflakes, and Jon Snow.
AFFC
Prologue: Pig boy Pate.
Samwell V: Pig boy Pate, back from the dead.
The alchemist pulled his hood down.
He was just a man, and his face was just a face. A young man's face, ordinary, with full cheeks and the shadow of a beard. A scar showed faintly on his right cheek. He had a hooked nose, and a mat of dense black hair that curled tightly around his ears. It was not a face Pate recognized. "I do not know you."
"Nor I you."
"Who are you?"
"A stranger. No one. Truly."
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The cobblestones rushed up to kiss him. Pate tried to cry for help, but his voice was failing too.
His last thought was of Rosey. - Prologue, AFFC
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"My thanks." There was something about the pale, soft youth that he misliked, but he did not want to seem discourteous, so he added, "My name's not Slayer, truly. I'm Sam. Samwell Tarly."
"I'm Pate," the other said, "like the pig boy." - Samwell V, AFFC
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JONSA 🐺❤️❄️
Once again, thank you to @ladyofasoiaf for making the manual on all things jonsa. I heavily rely on it when making these posts. :)
Where would a girl in grey go?
If Dontos and this northern girl helped murder our sweet king, it seems to me that they would want to put as many leagues as they could betwixt themselves and justice. Look for them in Oldtown, if you must, or across the narrow sea. Look for them in Dorne, or on the Wall. Look elsewhere. - Brienne II, AFFC
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But when Brienne asked about Sansa, she said, "I'll tell you what I told Lord Tywin. That girl was always praying. She'd go to sept and light her candles like a proper lady, but near every night she went off to the godswood. She's gone back north, she has. That's where her gods are." - Brienne II, AFFC
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As they were making their way to the next pier, Podrick shuffled his feet, and said, "Ser? My lady? What if my lady did go home? My other lady, I mean. Ser. Lady Sansa."
"They burned her home."
"Still. That's where her gods are. And gods can't die." - Brienne V, AFFC
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Coming after a Brienne chapter, we learn Brienne's ancestor once escorted a royal to Eastwatch.
He sent me north aboard the Golden Dragon, and insisted that his friend Ser Duncan see me safe to Eastwatch. - Samwell II, AFFC
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Not yet.
She's a clean ship, 'Strider, not so many rats as most, and we'll have fresh eggs and new-churned butter aboard. Is m'lady seeking passage north?"
"No." Not yet. She was tempted, but . . . - Brienne V, AFFC
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The same breakdown appears in back-to-back chapters, only Sansa forgets someone.
Or would she seek her own blood instead? Though all of her siblings had been slain, Brienne knew that Sansa still had an uncle and a bastard half brother on the Wall, serving in the Night's Watch. Another uncle, Edmure Tully, was a captive at the Twins, but his uncle Ser Brynden still held Riverrun. And Lady Catelyn's younger sister ruled the Vale. Blood calls to blood. Sansa might well have run to one of them. Which one, though? - Brienne II, AFFC
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She would have fled them both, perhaps, but there was nowhere for her to go. Winterfell was burned and desolate, Bran and Rickon dead and cold. Robb had been betrayed and murdered at the Twins, along with their lady mother. Tyrion had been put to death for killing Joffrey, and if she ever returned to King's Landing the queen would have her head as well. The aunt she'd hoped would keep her safe had tried to murder her instead. Her uncle Edmure was a captive of the Freys, while her great-uncle the Blackfish was under siege at Riverrun. I have no place but here, Sansa thought miserably, and no true friend but Petyr. - Sansa I, AFFC
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A stag won't find Sansa, but a dragon might.
"Where?" Brienne slapped another silver stag down.
He flicked the coin back at her with his forefinger. "Someplace no stag ever found . . . though a dragon might." - Brienne III, AFFC
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Of course it could never be.
There's a new High Septon, did you know? Oh, and the Night's Watch has a boy commander, some bastard son of Eddard Stark's."
"Jon Snow?" she blurted out, surprised.
"Snow? Yes, it would be Snow, I suppose."
She had not thought of Jon in ages. He was only her half brother, but still . . . with Robb and Bran and Rickon dead, Jon Snow was the only brother that remained to her. I am a bastard too now, just like him. Oh, it would be so sweet, to see him once again. But of course that could never be. Alayne Stone had no brothers, baseborn or otherwise. - Alayne II, AFFC
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Someday a man will drown in her eyes.
Petyr studied her eyes, as if seeing them for the first time. "You have your mother's eyes. Honest eyes, and innocent. Blue as a sunlit sea. When you are a little older, many a man will drown in those eyes." - Sansa I, AFFC
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The man kept staring at him, with eyes as big and black as wells. I will fall into those eyes and drown. - Jon V, ASOS
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Coming after a Sansa chapter, Asha has an amusing reunion with an old ghost who was fostered at Pyke.
"Asha?" A shadow stepped out from behind the well.
Her hand went to her dirk at once . . . until the moonlight transformed the dark shape into a man in a sealskin cloak. Another ghost. "Tris. I'd thought to find you in the hall."
"I wanted to see you."
"What part of me, I wonder?" She grinned. "Well, here I stand, all grown up. Look all you like."
"A woman." He moved closer. "And beautiful."
Tristifer Botley had filled out since last she'd seen him, but he had the same unruly hair that she remembered, and eyes as large and trusting as a seal's. Sweet eyes, truly. That was the trouble with poor Tristifer; he was too sweet for the Iron Islands. His face has grown comely, she thought. 
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"If you like. It's nought to me. You look so lovely in the moonlight, Asha. A woman grown now, but I remember when you were a skinny girl with a face all full of pimples."
Why must they always mention the pimples? "I remember that as well." Though not as fondly as you do. Of the five boys her mother had brought to Pyke to foster after Ned Stark had taken her last living son as hostage, Tris had been closest to Asha in age. He had not been the first boy she had ever kissed, but he was the first to undo the laces of her jerkin and slip a sweaty hand beneath to feel her budding breasts.
I would have let him feel more than that if he'd been bold enough. Her first flowering had come upon her during the war and wakened her desire, but even before that Asha had been curious. He was there, he was mine own age, and he was willing, that was all it was . . . that, and the moon blood. Even so, she'd called it love, till Tris began to go on about the children she would bear him; a dozen sons at least, and oh, some daughters too. - The Kraken's Daughter, AFFC
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Newly flowered Asha had an awakening during the war.
Her first flowering had come upon her during the war and wakened her desire, but even before that Asha had been curious. He was there, he was mine own age, and he was willing, that was all it was . . . that, and the moon blood. - The Kraken's Daughter's, AFFC
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Fourteen-year-old Arianne loses her maidenhead to a bastard.
My father is many things, but no one has ever said he was a fool. The Bastard of Godsgrace had my maidenhead when we were both fourteen. - The Soiled Knight, AFFC
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Experienced but still green after taking the black white.
It was her turn to flush. Her seduction of Ser Arys had required half a year. Though he claimed to have known other women before taking the white, she would never have known that from the way he acted. His caresses had been clumsy, his kisses nervous, and the first time they were abed together he spent his seed on her thigh as she was guiding him inside her with her hand. - The Princess in the Tower, AFFC
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The Dornish (Aegon), the ironborn (Daenerys), and the north (Jon) are wedding dragons.
Thank you, @decadelongsummer!
Oh, but they must, or see the realm riven once more, as it was before we wed the dragons. - The Captain of the Guards, AFFC
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None is fit to sit the Seastone Chair, much less the Iron Throne. No, to make an heir that's worthy of him, I need a different woman. When the kraken weds the dragon, brother, let all the world beware. - The Reaver, AFFC
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"Why shouldn't we rule ourselves again? It was the dragons we married, and the dragons are all dead!" - Catelyn XI, AGOT
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The blood of Winterfell.
I am not your daughter, she thought. I am Sansa Stark, Lord Eddard's daughter and Lady Catelyn's, the blood of Winterfell. - Sansa I, AFFC
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Ygritte was with him, laughing at him, shedding her skins till she was naked as her name day, trying to kiss him, but he couldn't, not with his father watching. He was the blood of Winterfell, a man of the Night's Watch. - Jon VI, ASOS
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She likes them bold.
If not for Petyr Baelish it would have been Sansa who went spinning through a cold blue sky to stony death six hundred feet below, instead of Lysa Arryn. He is so bold. Sansa wished she had his courage. - Sansa I, AFFC
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Surprisingly, Stannis smiled at that. "You're bold enough to be a Stark. Yes, I should have come sooner. If not for my Hand, I might not have come at all. - Jon XI, ASOS
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Sister and brother, Maiden and Warrior (more).
"Why would Cersei need the Warrior? She has me." Jaime turned his horse about, his white cloak snapping in the wind. - Jaime II, AFFC
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I thought that I was the Warrior and Cersei was the Maid, but all the time she was the Stranger, hiding her true face from my gaze. - Jaime IV, AFFC
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The Maiden lay athwart the Warrior, her arms widespread as if to embrace him. - Davos I, ACOK
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Radiant sisters.
"How is Cersei? As beautiful as ever?"
"Radiant." Fickle. - Jaime V, AFFC
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He was twelve, younger than Jon or Robb, but taller than either, to Jon's vast dismay. Prince Joffrey had his sister's hair and his mother's deep green eyes. A thick tangle of blond curls dripped down past his golden choker and high velvet collar. Sansa looked radiant as she walked beside him, but Jon did not like Joffrey's pouty lips or the bored, disdainful way he looked at Winterfell's Great Hall. - Jon I, AGOT
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The author gives Snow & Stone some space.
She could see Sky six hundred feet below, and the stone steps carved into the mountain, the winding way that led past Snow and Stone all the way down to the valley floor. - Alayne I, AFFC
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Steep stone steps crept up the mountainside past the waycastles Stone and Snow, but they came to an end at Sky. - Alayne I, AFFC
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Jon's heart is all Stone.
Thank you, @winkydinkle!
He could not blame Gilly for her grief. Instead, he blamed Jon Snow and wondered when Jon's heart had turned to stone. - Samwell III, AFFC
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Sansa has a crush.
"Bronze Yohn knows me," she reminded him. "He was a guest at Winterfell when his son rode north to take the black." She had fallen wildly in love with Ser Waymar, she remembered dimly, but that was a lifetime ago, when she was a stupid little girl. - Alayne I, AFFC
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Ser Waymar Royce was the youngest son of an ancient house with too many heirs. He was a handsome youth of eighteen, grey-eyed and graceful and slender as a knife. - Prologue, AFFC
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Jon was slender where Robb was muscular, dark where Robb was fair, graceful and quick where his half brother was strong and fast.
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Jon's eyes were a grey so dark they seemed almost black, but there was little they did not see. - Bran I, AGOT
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The princess in the tower wishes she had wings.
A falcon soared above the frozen waterfall, blue wings spread wide against the morning sky. Would that I had wings as well. - Alayne I, AFFC
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"The little bird thinks she has wings, does she? Or do you mean to end up crippled like that brother of yours?" - Sansa IV, ACOK
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The northern girl. Winterfell's daughter. We heard she killed the king with a spell, and afterward changed into a wolf with big leather wings like a bat, and flew out a tower window. - Arya XIII, ASOS
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Sansa gets the head, but still needs flowers.
One of the Mountain's men had tried to rape the girl at Harrenhal, and had seemed honestly perplexed when Jaime commanded Ilyn Payne to take his head off. "I had her before, a hunnerd times," he kept saying as they forced him to his knees. "A hunnerd times, m'lord. We all had her." When Ser Ilyn presented Pia with his head, she had smiled through her ruined teeth. - Jaime IV, AFFC
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"Ser Harwyn says those tales are lies." Lady Amerei wound a braid around her finger. "He has promised me Lord Beric's head. He's very gallant." She was blushing beneath her tears.
Jaime thought back on the head he'd given to Pia. He could almost hear his little brother chuckle. Whatever became of giving women flowers? Tyrion might have asked. - Jaime IV, AFFC
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Frog-faced Lord Slynt sat at the end of the council table wearing a black velvet doublet and a shiny cloth-of-gold cape, nodding with approval every time the king pronounced a sentence. Sansa stared hard at his ugly face, remembering how he had thrown down her father for Ser Ilyn to behead, wishing she could hurt him, wishing that some hero would throw him down and cut off his head. - Sansa VI, AGOT
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The smile that Lord Janos Slynt smiled then had all the sweetness of rancid butter. Until Jon said, "Edd, fetch me a block," and unsheathed Longclaw. - Jon II, ADWD
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"What's wrong with flowers?" - Jon V, ASOS
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A ghost wolf.
There was ice underfoot, and broken stones just waiting to turn an ankle, and the wind was howling fiercely. It sounds like a wolf, thought Sansa. A ghost wolf, big as mountains. - Alayne II, AFFC
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Roses kissed by frost.
"When he is a man grown," said Cersei.
Their smiles withered like roses kissed by frost. - Cersei V, AFFC
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Children of the mountain.
Thank you, @butterflies-dragons!
She pushed her hair back. "Then one day he wasn't. Men come and go. They lie, or die, or leave you. A mountain is not a man, though, and a stone is a mountain's daughter. I trust my father, and I trust my mules. I won't fall." - Alayne II, AFFC
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"The mountain is your mother," Stonesnake had told him during an easier climb a few days past. "Cling to her, press your face up against her teats, and she won't drop you." Jon had made a joke of it, saying how he'd always wondered who his mother was, but never thought to find her in the Frostfangs. - Jon VI, ACOK
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Ser Byron enters Sansa's story.
"Dutiful and beautiful," said an elegant young knight whose thick blond mane cascaded down well past his shoulders.
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"Knights they are," said Petyr. "Their gallantry has yet to be demonstrated, but we may hope. Allow me to present Ser Byron, Ser Morgarth, and Ser Shadrich. Sers, the Lady Alayne, my natural and very clever daughter . . . with whom I must needs confer, if you will be so good as to excuse us."
The three knights bowed and withdrew, though the tall one with the blond hair kissed her hand before taking his leave. - Alayne II, AFFC
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The character I'm probably most like in real life is Samwell Tarly. Good old Sam. And the character I'd want to be? Well who wouldn't want to be Jon Snow — the brooding, Byronic, romantic hero whom all the girls love. - George R. R. Martin
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A fool or a knight?
"Ser Galladon was a champion of such valor that the Maiden herself lost her heart to him. She gave him an enchanted sword as a token of her love. The Just Maid, it was called. No common sword could check her, nor any shield withstand her kiss. Ser Galladon bore the Just Maid proudly, but only thrice did he unsheathe her. He would not use the Maid against a mortal man, for she was so potent as to make any fight unfair."
Crabb thought that was hilarious. "The Perfect Knight? The Perfect Fool, he sounds like. - Brienne IV, AFFC
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"A fool and a knight?" said Jonquil. "I have never heard of such a thing."
"Sweet lady," said Florian, "all men are fools, and all men are knights, where women are concerned." - The Hedge Knight
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Who's the pig boy?
Thank you, @fedonciadale!
Spotted Pate the pig boy was the hero of a thousand ribald stories: a good-hearted, empty-headed lout who always managed to best the fat lordlings, haughty knights, and pompous septons who beset him. Somehow his stupidity would turn out to have been a sort of uncouth cunning; the tales always ended with Spotted Pate sitting on a lord's high seat or bedding some knight's daughter. But those were stories. In the real world pig boys never fared so well. - Prologue, AFFC
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His face darkened. "I am. I'm your father, and I can marry you to whoever I like. To anyone. You'll marry the pig boy if I say so, and bed down with him in the sty." His green eyes glittered with amusement. - Sansa III, ACOK
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Jon and Sansa know the power of song.
Thank you, @agentrouka-blog!
Dareon will join you at Eastwatch. My hope is that his songs will win some men for us in the south. - Samwell I, AFFC
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A harp can be as dangerous as a sword, in the right hands. - Sansa VI, ASOS
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King Robert liked to play with his cousin.
There had been a female cousin too, a chunky little widow with breasts as big as melons whose husband and father had both died at Storm's End during the siege. "Her father was good to me," Robert told her, "and she and I would play together when the two of us were small." It did not take him long to start playing with her again. - Cersei V, AFFC
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Sansa wants to dance.
What would she do when the music began to play? It was a vexing question, to which her heart and head gave different answers. Sansa loved to dance, but Alayne . . . - Alayne II, AFFC
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When the musicians began to play, she timidly laid her hand on Tyrion's and said, "My lord, should we lead the dance?"
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Perhaps she ought to have remained beside her husband, but she wanted to dance so badly . . . - Sansa III, ASOS
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"You could dance with me, you know. It would be only courteous. You danced with me anon."
"Anon?" teased Jon.
"When we were children." She tore off a bit of bread and threw it at him. "As you know well."
"My lady should dance with her husband." - Jon X, ADWD
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A snowflake danced upon the air. Then another. Dance with me, Jon Snow, he thought. You'll dance with me anon. - Jon XII, ADWD
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Prince Aemon's back.
"And the Dragonknight?" She flung the bedclothes aside and swung her legs to the floor. "The noblest knight who ever lived, you said, and he took his queen to bed and got her with child." - The Soiled Knight, AFFC
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Who could ever love a bastard?
Ser Loras had given Sansa Stark a red rose once, but he had never kissed her . . . and no Tyrell would ever kiss Alayne Stone. Pretty as she was, she had been born on the wrong side of the blanket. - Alayne II, AFFC
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Poisoned gifts.
Petyr arched an eyebrow. "When Robert dies. Our poor brave Sweetrobin is such a sickly boy, it is only a matter of time. When Robert dies, Harry the Heir becomes Lord Harrold, Defender of the Vale and Lord of the Eyrie. Jon Arryn's bannermen will never love me, nor our silly, shaking Robert, but they will love their Young Falcon . . . and when they come together for his wedding, and you come out with your long auburn hair, clad in a maiden's cloak of white and grey with a direwolf emblazoned on the back . . . why, every knight in the Vale will pledge his sword to win you back your birthright. So those are your gifts from me, my sweet Sansa . . . Harry, the Eyrie, and Winterfell. That's worth another kiss now, don't you think?" - Alayne II, AFFC
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"Jon." Melisandre was so close he could feel the warmth of her breath. "R'hllor is the only true god. A vow sworn to a tree has no more power than one sworn to your shoes. Open your heart and let the light of the Lord come in. Burn these weirwoods, and accept Winterfell as a gift of the Lord of Light."
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Stannis gave him a measuring look. "Does this mean you will not wed the girl? I warn you, she is part of the price you must pay, if you want your father's name and your father's castle. This match is necessary, to help assure the loyalty of our new subjects. Are you refusing me, Jon Snow?"
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Stannis put a thin, fleshless hand on Jon's shoulder. "Say nothing of what we've discussed here today. To anyone. But when you return, you need only bend your knee, lay your sword at my feet, and pledge yourself to my service, and you shall rise again as Jon Stark, the Lord of Winterfell." - Jon XI, ASOS
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Lancel Lannister's story continues to raise eyebrows.
Lancel had taken to quartering the lion of Lannister with the Darry plowman, it would seem. He saw his uncle's hand in that, as in Lancel's choice of bride. House Darry had ruled these lands since the Andals cast down the First Men. No doubt Ser Kevan realized that his son would have an easier time of it if the peasants saw him as a continuation of the old line, holding these lands by right of marriage rather than royal decree. - Jaime IV, AFFC
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Maybe he is praying for his cock to harden. In King's Landing it had been rumored that Lancel's wounds had left him incapable. Still, he ought to have sense enough to try. His cousin's hold on his new lands would not be secure until he fathered a son on his half-Darry wife. - Jaime IV, AFFC
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When his coz did not answer, Jaime sighed. "You should be sleeping with your wife, not with the Maid. You need a son with Darry blood if you want to keep this castle." - Jaime IV, AFFC
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More men marrying into houses.
When he was not singing, Nimble Dick would talk, regaling them with tales of Crackclaw Point. Every gloomy valley had its lord, he said, the lot of them united only by their mistrust of outsiders. In their veins the blood of the First Men ran dark and strong. "The Andals tried t' take Crackclaw, but we bled them in the valleys and drowned them in the bogs. Only what their sons couldn't win with swords, their pretty daughters won with kisses. They married into the houses they couldn't conquer, aye." - Brienne IV, AFFC
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Val does cosplay. Again.
King Stannis had plans for Val, he knew; she was the mortar with which he meant to seal the peace between the northmen and the free folk. - Samwell I, AFFC
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"Whoever?" Stannis gave him a measuring look. "Does this mean you will not wed the girl? I warn you, she is part of the price you must pay, if you want your father's name and your father's castle. This match is necessary, to help assure the loyalty of our new subjects. Are you refusing me, Jon Snow?" - Jon XI, ASOS
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"The girl's happiness is not my purpose, nor should it be yours. Our alliances in the south may be as solid as Casterly Rock, but there remains the north to win, and the key to the north is Sansa Stark." - Tyrion III, ASOS
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Sansa -> Bolton requires a Stark daughter to claim Winterfell -> Jon.
"Your Grace has forgotten the Lady Sansa," said Pycelle.
The queen bristled. "I most certainly have not forgotten that little she-wolf." She refused to say the girl's name. "I ought to have shown her to the black cells as the daughter of a traitor, but instead I made her part of mine own household. She shared my hearth and hall, played with my own children. I fed her, dressed her, tried to make her a little less ignorant about the world, and how did she repay me for my kindness? She helped murder my son. When we find the Imp, we will find the Lady Sansa too. She is not dead . . . but before I am done with her, I promise you, she will be singing to the Stranger, begging for his kiss."
An awkward silence followed. Have they all swallowed their tongues? Cersei thought, with irritation. It was enough to make her wonder why she bothered with a council.
"In any case," the queen went on, "Lord Eddard's younger daughter is with Lord Bolton, and will be wed to his son Ramsay as soon as Moat Cailin has fallen." So long as the girl played her role well enough to cement their claim to Winterfell, neither of the Boltons would much care that she was actually some steward's whelp tricked up by Littlefinger. "If the north must have a Stark, we'll give them one." She let Lord Merryweather fill her cup once again. "Another problem has arisen on the Wall, however. The brothers of the Night's Watch have taken leave of their wits and chosen Ned Stark's bastard son to be their Lord Commander." - Cersei IV, AFFC
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The author's constant reminder.
Jaime sighed. "Then let them wed. It will be years before Tommen is old enough to consummate the marriage. And until he does, the union can always be set aside. Give Tyrell his wedding and send him off to play at war." - Jaime I, AFFC
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"I said some words and gave her a red cloak, but only to please Father. Marriage requires consummation. King Baelor was made to wed his sister Daena, but they never lived as man and wife, and he put her aside as soon as he was crowned." - Jaime IV, AFFC
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"She is old enough to be Lady of Winterfell once her brother is dead. Claim her maidenhood and you will be one step closer to claiming the north. Get her with child, and the prize is all but won. Do I need to remind you that a marriage that has not been consummated can be set aside?" - Tyrion IV, ASOS
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Jon vs. Tyrion Pregame.
"Well," said Sam, "he will not want it said that Stannis rode to the defense of the realm whilst King Tommen was playing with his toys. That would bring scorn down upon House Lannister."
"It's death and destruction I want to bring down upon House Lannister, not scorn." Jon lifted up the letter. - Samwell I, AFFC
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Big brothers.
My betrothal was announced at a feast with half the west in attendance. Ellyn Tarbeck laughed and the Red Lion went angry from the hall. The rest sat on their tongues. Only Tywin dared speak against the match. A boy of ten. Father turned as white as mare's milk, and Walder Frey was quivering." She smiled. "How could I not love him, after that? That is not to say that I approved of all he did, or much enjoyed the company of the man that he became . . . but every little girl needs a big brother to protect her. Tywin was big even when he was little." - Jaime V, AFFC
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That uncomfortable subject.
"How old are you, child?" asked Lady Waynwood.
"Four-fourteen, my lady." For a moment she forgot how old Alayne should be. "And I am no child, but a maiden flowered."
"But not deflowered, one can hope." Young Lord Hunter's bushy mustache hid his mouth entirely.
"Yet," said Lyn Corbray, as if she were not there. "But ripe for plucking soon, I'd say." - Alayne I, AFFC
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"A child?" said Sansa, uncertainly.
Lysa waved a hand negligently. "Not for many years. You are too young to be a mother. One day you shall want children, though. Just as you will want to marry." - Sansa VI, ASOS
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"I will." He cuddled close and laid his head between her breasts. "Alayne? Are you my mother now?"
"I suppose I am," she said. If a lie was kindly meant, there was no harm in it. - Sansa I, AFFC
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She studied Alayne's face and chest. "You are prettier than me, but my breasts are larger. The maesters say large breasts produce no more milk than small ones, but I do not believe it. Have you ever known a wet nurse with small teats? Yours are ample for a girl your age, but as they are bastard breasts, I shan't concern myself with them." - Alayne II, AFFC
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"The gods made men to fight, and women to bear children," said Randyll Tarly. "A woman's war is in the birthing bed." - Brienne III, AFFC
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"How apt. The men will bleed out there, and you in here." The queen signaled for the first course to be served. - Sansa V, ACOK
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Jeyne Westerling had been Robb Stark's queen, the girl who cost him everything. With a wolf in her belly, she could have proved more dangerous than the Blackfish. - Jaime VI, AFFC
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"A child born of traitor's seed will find that betrayal comes naturally to her," said Grand Maester Pycelle. "She is a sweet thing now, but in ten years, who can say what treasons she may hatch?" - Sansa IV, AGOT
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To break her fast the queen sent to the kitchens for two boiled eggs, a loaf of bread, and a pot of honey. But when she cracked the first egg and found a bloody half-formed chick inside, her stomach roiled. - Cersei III, AFFC
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An immense round fat man, as big as three Moon Boys, he came cartwheeling into the hall, vaulted onto the table, and laid a gigantic egg right in front of Sansa. "Break it, my lady," he commanded. When she did, a dozen yellow chicks escaped and began running in all directions. - Sansa I, ASOS
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A king must have an heir.
And Cersei … I have Jon Arryn to thank for her. I had no wish to marry after Lyanna was taken from me, but Jon said the realm needed an heir. - Eddard VII, AGOT
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"Jeyne," she called after, "there's one more thing Robb needs from you, though he may not know it yet himself. A king must have an heir." - Catelyn III, ASOS
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"Young, and a king," he said. "A king must have an heir. If I should die in my next battle, the kingdom must not die with me. - Catelyn V, ASOS
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He had not touched another woman since he gave her to the crabs. I will need to take a wife when I am king. A true wife, to be my queen and bear me sons. A king must have an heir. - The Iron Captain, AFFC
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Victarion was turning to go when the Crow's Eye said, "A king must have a wife, to give him heirs. - The Reaver, AFFC
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Many promised him their voices: Fralegg the Strong, clever Alvyn Sharp, humpbacked Hotho Harlaw. Hotho offered him a daughter for his queen. "I have no luck with wives," Victarion told him. His first wife died in childbed, giving him a stillborn daughter. His second had been stricken by a pox. And his third . . .
"A king must have an heir," Hotho insisted. "The Crow's Eye brings three sons to show before the kingsmoot."
"Bastards and mongrels. How old is this daughter?"
"Twelve," said Hotho. "Fair and fertile, newly flowered, with hair the color of honey. Her breasts are small as yet, but she has good hips. She takes after her mother, more than me." – The Iron Captain, AFFC
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Does the moon tea have anything to do with jonsa? I'll include it, and let you decide.
She had surrendered her virtue at six-and-ten, to a beautiful blond-haired sailor on a trading galley up from Lys. He only knew six words of the Common Tongue, but "fuck" was one of them—the very word she'd hoped to hear. Afterward, Asha had the sense to find a woods witch, who showed her how to brew moon tea to keep her belly flat. - The Kraken's Daughter, AFFC
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"I swore a vow . . ."
". . . not to wed or father children. Well, I have drunk my moon tea, and you know I cannot marry you." She smiled. "Though I might be persuaded to keep you for my paramour." - The Soiled Knight, AFFC
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"The little queen has appetites that Tommen is as yet too young to satisfy." That was always a danger, when a grown woman was married to a child. Even more so with a widow. She may claim that Renly never touched her, but I will not believe it. Women only drank moon tea for one reason; maidens had no need for it at all. - Cersei IX, AFFC
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"As you will." Jaime turned to the daughter. "I am sorry for your loss. The boy had courage, I'll give him that. There is a question I must ask you. Are you carrying his child, my lady?"
Jeyne burst from her chair and would have fled the room if the guard at the door had not seized her by the arm. "She is not," said Lady Sybell, as her daughter struggled to escape. "I made certain of that, as your lord father bid me." - Jaime VII, AFFC
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"You're bastard-born yourself. And if Ygritte does not want a child, she will go to some woods witch and drink a cup o' moon tea. You do not come into it, once the seed is planted." - Jon II, ASOS
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Tears ran down her aunt's puffy red face. "I gave you my maiden's gift. I would have given you a son too, but they murdered him with moon tea, with tansy and mint and wormwood, a spoon of honey and a drop of pennyroyal. It wasn't me, I never knew, I only drank what Father gave me . . ." - Sansa VII, ASOS
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Two prophetic conversations have Sansa and Cersei on the same path.
"When will I wed the prince?" she asked.
"Never. You will wed the king." - Cersei VIII, AFFC
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"No," Ned said. He saw no use in lying to her. "Yet someday he may be the lord of a great holdfast and sit on the king's council. He might raise castles like Brandon the Builder, or sail a ship across the Sunset Sea, or enter your mother's Faith and become the High Septon." 
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Arya cocked her head to one side. "Can I be a king's councillor and build castles and become the High Septon?"
"You," Ned said, kissing her lightly on the brow, "will marry a king and rule his castle, and your sons will be knights and princes and lords and, yes, perhaps even a High Septon."
Arya screwed up her face. "No," she said, "that's Sansa." - Eddard V, AGOT
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Ashford Tournament!
Thank you, @nobodysuspectsthebutterfly! (lol)
"Will there be another champion in Ser Humfrey's [Hardyng] place?"
"Lord Ashford had a mind to grant the place to Lord Caron, or perhaps the other Ser Humfrey, the one who gave Hardyng such a splendid match, but Prince Baelor told him that it would not be seemly to remove Ser Humfrey's shield and pavilion under the circumstances. I believe they will continue with four champions in place of five."
Four champions, Dunk thought. Leo Tyrell, Lyonel Baratheon, Tybolt Lannister, and Prince Valarr [Targaryen]. - The Hedge Knight
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Lyonel Baratheon
Sansa must wed Joffrey, that is clear now, we must give them no grounds to suspect our devotion. - Catelyn II, AGOT
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Leo Tyrell
The words came tumbling out of her. "Yes. I will. I would like that more than anything. To wed Ser Loras, to love him . . ." "Loras?" Lady Olenna sounded annoyed. "Don't be foolish, child. Kingsguard never wed. Didn't they teach you anything in Winterfell? We were speaking of my grandson Willas. He is a bit old for you, to be sure, but a dear boy for all that. Not the least bit oafish, and heir to Highgarden besides." - Sansa I, ASOS
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Willas Tyrell was green as his surcoat and had no business riding in such company. The Fat Flower thrust him into tourneys at too tender an age, just as he did with the other two. He wanted another Leo Longthorn, and made himself a cripple. - Tyrion V, ASOS
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Tybolt Lannister
"Yes. You are a ward of the crown. The king stands in your father's place, since your brother is an attainted traitor. That means he has every right to dispose of your hand. You are to marry my brother Tyrion." - Sansa III, ASOS
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The Baratheon and Lannister defeat the maiden's brother(s).
Tybolt Lannister and Androw Ashford rode against each other thrice more before Ser Androw finally lost shield, seat, and match all at once. The younger Ashford lasted even longer, breaking no less than nine lances against Ser Lyonel Baratheon, the Laughing Storm. Champion and challenger both lost their saddles on their tenth course, only to rise together to fight on, sword against mace. Finally a battered Ser Robert Ashford admitted defeat, but on the viewing stand his father looked anything but dejected. Both Lord Ashford's Sons had been ushered from the ranks of the champions, it was true, but they had acquitted themselves nobly against two of the finest knights in the Seven Kingdoms. - The Hedge Knight
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Humfrey Hardyng
When Robert dies, Harry the Heir becomes Lord Harrold, Defender of the Vale and Lord of the Eyrie. Jon Arryn's bannermen will never love me, nor our silly, shaking Robert, but they will love their Young Falcon . . . and when they come together for his wedding, and you come out with your long auburn hair, clad in a maiden's cloak of white and grey with a direwolf emblazoned on the back . . . why, every knight in the Vale will pledge his sword to win you back your birthright. So those are your gifts from me, my sweet Sansa . . . Harry, the Eyrie, and Winterfell. - Alayne II, AFFC
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A lady's armor is her courtesy. Alayne could feel the blood rushing to her face. No tears, she prayed. Please, please, I must not cry. "As you wish, ser. And now if you will excuse me, Littlefinger's bastard must find her lord father and let him know that you have come, so we can begin the tourney on the morrow." And may your horse stumble, Harry the Heir, so you fall on your stupid head in your first tilt. - Alayne I, TWOW
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At the last possible instant, Ser Humfrey's stallion reared away from the oncoming point, eyes rolling in terror, but too late, Aerion's lance took the animal just above the armor that protected his breastbone, and exploded out of the back of his neck in a gout of bright blood. Screaming, the horse crashed sideways, knocking the wooden barrier to pieces as he fell. Ser Humfrey tried to leap free, but a foot caught in a stirrup and they heard his shriek as his leg was crushed between the splintered fence and falling horse. - The Hedge Knight
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Prince Valarr Targaryen
Jon Snow was the only brother that remained to her. I am a bastard too now, just like him. Oh, it would be so sweet, to see him once again. - Alayne II, AFFC
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But they were all dead now, even Arya, everyone but her half-brother, Jon. Some nights she heard talk of him, in the taverns and brothels of the Ragman's Harbor. The Black Bastard of the Wall, one man had called him. - The Blind Girl, ADWD
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Six pups they'd found in the late summer snows, him and Robb; five that were grey and black and brown, for the five Starks, and one white, as white as Snow. - Jon XII, ASOS
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He was a shorter, slimmer, handsomer version of his sire, without the twice-broken nose that had made Baelor seem more human than royal. Valarr's hair was brown, but a bright streak of silver-gold ran through it. - The Hedge Knight
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The last pavilion was Prince Valarr's. Of black silk it was, with a line of pointed scarlet pennons hanging from its roof like long red flames. The shield on its stand was glossy black, emblazoned with the three-headed dragon of House Targaryen. One of the Kingsguard knights stood beside it, his shining white armor stark against the black of the tentcloth. 
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And the black-and-white knight, Lord Gawen Swann, challenged the black prince with the white guardian. - The Hedge Knight
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“A snowflake danced upon the air. Then another. Dance with me, Jon Snow, he thought. You'll dance with me anon.” Please convince me this is related to future jonsa.
Dearest Stumpy ❤️
Apologies for the long wait on this one! As recompense here's an especially long answer!
Much like the Vale godswood passage in ASOS, Sansa VII, this imagery of dancing (and/or drifting) snowflakes is incredibly romantic. In an emotional sense, certainly, but also as an allusion to the Romantic movement, their reflective melancholy and reverence for the natural world — a literary movement we know GRRM is aware of and that I've talked about previously. I think that's why it is so striking and feels like there must be something being left unsaid there…
So, let's get right into it, looking first at this exchange though:
When Owen the Oaf began to dance with Patchface the fool, laughter echoed off the vaulted ceiling. The sight made Lady Alys smile. "Do you dance often, here at Castle Black?" "Every time we have a wedding, my lady." "You could dance with me, you know. It would be only courteous. You danced with me anon." "Anon?" teased Jon. "When we were children." She tore off a bit of bread and threw it at him. "As you know well." "My lady should dance with her husband." – ADWD, Jon X
What is quite remarkable and a bit weird about this interaction between Jon and Alys Karstark, which occurs prior to the quotation in your ask, is the use of the archaic word "anon" … or rather, I should say its misuse. Its usage above and in your asks' quotation are significant, I think, which is why I'm tackling it first and foremost. If we take a look at the Oxford English Dictionary, it has this definition:
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So, with that meaning in mind, it becomes clear that while Alys meant to say, "You danced with me once before," her misuse of anon instead implies "You will dance with me soon/shortly." Jon immediately picks up on this fumble, though tellingly perhaps, he does not clarify this mix up to the reader, he simply repeats it quizzically and teasingly back to her. I'd wager that was very intentional on GRRM's part — an instance where he is encouraging his reader to do a bit of investigative work, instead of offering up a clear explanation right there on the page.
Realising her misuse of words, a flustered Alys throws a piece of bread at Jon — an action very evocative of Arya, imo. However, much like Ygritte at times evokes elements of both Arya and Sansa, so does Alys Karstark. Her throwing of the bread and her sisterly teasing suggest Arya, but her interest in dancing and her genteel tone ("It would be only courteous"), well, they very much evoke Sansa to me. But before I get into the ways in which Alys and dancing can be seen to hint towards Sansa and more specifically Jonsa, I want to look a little more into the use of anon.
An archaic, or old-fashioned, term, anon isn't out of place in the works of William Shakespeare for example, but it is also used by the likes of Tolkien as well:
Ever and anon Gandalf let blow the trumpets, and the heralds would cry: 'The Lords of Gondor are come! Let all leave this land or yield them up! – The Return of the King
According to the OED, it takes its origin from Old English, meaning "in or into (one state or course)." I don’t know if GRRM is aware of that earlier meaning, but it’s interesting to consider when we think about how dancing, or specifically the courtly dancing in ASOIAF, involves two people moving "in […] one state," in other words, together. Becoming one harmonious moving body. So, there is a sense of togetherness in the act of (paired) dancing, but also in the original use of the word anon as well.
In fact, the only instances in which this archaic word is used within the series is in the above passage and then again in the quotation featured in your ask! In both, it is specifically used alongside dancing, but also, it is used in a moment of separateness in relation to Jon:
On and on the wildlings came. The day grew darker, just as Tormund said. Clouds covered the sky from horizon to horizon, and warmth fled. There was more shoving at the gate, as men and goats and bullocks jostled each other out of the way. It is more than impatience, Jon realised. They are afraid. Warriors, spearwives, raiders, they are afraid of those woods, of shadows moving through the trees. They want to put the Wall between them before the night descends. A snowflake danced upon the air. Then another. Dance with me, Jon Snow, he thought. You’ll dance with me anon. – ADWD, Jon XII
In both moments in which dancing and anon are conflated, Jon stands notably apart, distinctly alone and separate… decidedly not "in […] one state or course" with another. Instead, he is a watcher, an observer. The above passage is arguably a quintessential Jon Snow positioning, physically emphasising his outsider status, his division from others… but then also highlighting it emotionally with that internal thought process. Earlier in ADWD, during the wedding festivities with Alys, Jon refuses her offer of a dance (the first "anon" mention), preferring to watch from the side-lines, a decision that seems somewhat like an act of self punishment. But for what reason?
What wall might Jon Snow wish to put between himself and his past? Between the Jon he was then, who "danced," and the Jon he is now… the Jon who might still "dance […] anon"?
Because while with Alys the use of anon is misused, in his later internal musings Jon uses it correctly. "You danced with me anon" vs. "You’ll dance with me anon." This correction is undoubtedly significant, detaching itself from Alys and instead signifying that the speaker of this second declaration and use of anon is not this newly introduced character, but someone else. Someone Jon already knows. Someone likely from "when we were children," from Jon’s life before coming to the Wall.
*cough* It's Sansa Stark. *cough*
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A Dance with Her Husband
@astraphysical and I have speculated about how Sansa's dance partners in her TWOW chapter all reference Jon in some way, and even though it's been some time since we collaborated on that… I still stand by it and think it's a fun theory! Indeed, for both Jon and Sansa, implicit stand-ins and subtle references to the other arguably feature notably within their respective chapters. But looking specifically at the ways in which Alys Karstark mirrors and alludes to Sansa, it is interesting to note how dancing with one’s husband on your wedding day features in connection to both girls:
"My lady should dance with her husband." "My Magnar is not one for dancing, I fear. If you will not dance with me, at least pour me some of the mulled wine." – ADWD, Jon X
A lady should dance with her husband, Jon Snow says to Alys Karstark, a notion that speaks to the done way of things, to duty and honour, but also to his inherent romanticism me thinks. And this is a belief that Sansa Stark too shares, even in the worst of circumstances, with the worst of partners:
When the musicians began to play, she timidly laid her hand on Tyrion's and said, "My lord, should we lead the dance?" His mouth twisted. "I think we have already given them sufficient amusement for one day, don’t you?" "As you say, my lord." She pulled her hand back. Joffrey and Margaery led in their place. How can a monster dance so beautifully? Sansa wondered. She had often daydreamed of how she would dance at her wedding, with every eye upon her and her handsome lord. In her dreams they had all been smiling. Not even my husband is smiling. – ASOS, Sansa III
For albeit different reasons, Tyrion is likewise "not one for dancing," and so Sansa's dream of dancing with her future husband and lord, her expectation even, is thwarted. But unlike Tyrion, Sigorn does get up to dance, at Alys' insistence, regardless of his skill or how it might embarrass her and/or him. Again, this action of dragging him up to dance feels very Arya-like, but with the desire behind it — a love of dancing — strongly evoking Sansa:
The fish course was next, but as the pike was being boned Lady Alys dragged the Magnar up onto the floor. From the way he moved it was plain that Sigorn had never danced before, but he had drunk enough mulled wine so that did not seem to matter. – ADWD, Jon X
Similarly, Sansa's desire to dance trumps her propriety, but she does so without her husband as her partner and that is where Alys and Sansa divide.
Perhaps she ought to have remained beside her husband, but she wanted to dance so badly… – ASOS, Sansa III
Where Alys comes together with Sigorn in dance, "in […] one state" you might say, promising good things for their marriage, Sansa and Tyrion remain decidedly separate and alienated from one another — as they bloody well should, mind you! So, for Sansa this expectation of dancing with her husband remains tellingly unfulfilled, others "[lead] the dance," but perhaps she’ll dance with a true and wanted husband… anon. Because for both Jon and Sansa, this promise of a dance with a particular but unidentified partner is very significant and it is also strongly tied to the rituals of love and marriage. Once again, it is an example of their romantic sensibilities and deep held desires being in accord.
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A Bastard and A Wildling Warrior
Just as a sidenote, the detail of Sigorn being "drunk enough [on] mulled wine" to have the courage to dance, even badly, is interesting when we remember that way back in AGOT, Jon I, Jon got drunk on "summerwine" and likely felt bold enough to express a few things he might not have otherwise:
[…] he was finding that he had a man's thirst, to the raucous delight of the youths around him, who urged him on every time he drained a glass. […] The procession had passed not a foot from the place he had been given on the bench, and Jon had gotten a good long look at them all. […] Sansa, two years older, drew the crown prince, Joffrey Baratheon […] Sansa looked radiant as she walked beside him, but Jon did not like Joffrey’s pouty lips or the bored, disdainful way he looked at Winterfell’s Great Hall. – AGOT, Jon I
So, not only are there potential parallels to be made between Sansa and Alys (who I’ll get back to in a mo), but also Sigorn and Jon. Just on a physical level, Sigorn is lean, like Jon, but with receding hairline that makes him appear older than he is (rip those luscious locks). Yet just as Jon is said to closely resemble Ned Stark, his presumed father, Sigorn is likewise a "younger, shorter version of his father" (ADWD, Jon III). Styr, we know, is described as "straight as a spear, all long wiry muscle, clean-shaved, bald, with a strong straight nose and deepset grey eyes […] he might even have been comely if he’d had ears," (ASOS, Jon I). So, obviously not a doppelganger in line with the likes of Waymar Royce… but Sigorn and Jon do share a few physical, character and behavioural traits:
Grey eyes — a typical Stark trait
A lean, or slender, physique
A strong resemblance to their “fathers”
An air of maturity related to their appearance and/or attitude
Thrust into a position of authority as a young man — Magnar vs. Lord Commander
Deep pride in and allegiance to their houses/clans — Stark vs. Thenn
Increased boldness/courage through wine drinking at a feast
They also share a certain romantic tenderness beneath a broody exterior:
"Sigorn," asked Melisandre, "will you share your fire with Alys, and warm her when the night is dark and full of terrors?" "I swear me." The Magnar's promise was a white cloud in the air. Snow dappled his shoulders. His ears were red. "By the red god's flames, I warm her all her days." – ADWD, Jon X
Call me an old softie, but I like to read the above two ways — his ears are red because of the cold, but also as a sign of tender bashfulness… a hint towards a romantic heart. And I think that reading is somewhat supported by how positively we’re meant to view this union between Sigorn and Alys:
[…] Lady Alys dragged the Magnar up onto the floor. From the way he moved it was plain that Sigorn had never danced before, but he had drunk enough mulled wine so that it did not seem to matter. "A northern maid and a wildling warrior, bound together by the Lord of Light," Ser Axell Florent slipped into Lady Alys’s vacant seat. — ADWD, Jon X
Hmm, "a northern maid" … and "a wildling warrior"? Interesting. Very interesting descriptions.
"Some of your own Sworn Brothers would have me believe that you are half a wildling yourself. Is it true?" – ADWD, Jon IV Mully cleared his throat. "M'lord? The wildling princess, letting her go, the men may say—" "—that I am half a wildling myself, a turncloak who means to sell the realm to our raiders, cannibals, and giants." Jon did not need to stare into a fire to know what was being said of him. The worst part was, they were not wrong, not wholly. "Words are wind, and the wind is always blowing at the Wall. Come." – ADWD, Jon VIII "I see what you are, Snow. Half a wolf and half a wildling, baseborn get of a traitor and a whore. You would deliver a highborn maid to the bed of some stinking savage. Did you sample her yourself first?" [Cregan Karstark] laughed. "If you mean to kill me, do it and be damned for a kinslayer. Stark and Karstark are one blood." – ADWD, Jon X "Ghost?" Jon was shocked. "Unless your lordship has some other white wolf, aye. I never seen him like this, m'lord. All wild-like, I mean." He was not wrong, as Jon discovered for himself when he slipped inside the doors. The big white direwolf would not lie still. He paced from one end of the armoury to the other, past the cold forge and back again. "Easy, Ghost," Jon called. "Down. Sit, Ghost. Down." Yet when he made to touch him, the wolf bristled and bared his teeth. It's that bloody boar. Even in here, Ghost can smell his stink. – ADWD, Jon XIII
In ADWD, Jon notably gets called "half a wildling" more than once, by his black brothers, Stannis Baratheon and Cregan Karstark… enough times for him to comment on it (see Jon VIII above), refuting the accusation, although only truly explicitly so within his internal thoughts:
I am not the trusting fool you take me for … nor am I half wildling, no matter what you believe. – ADWD, Jon XI
Ok, maybe he’s not a wildling per se… but there is something a bit wild about the boy, or there perhaps will be if we take the behaviour of his wolf as any indication. But anyway…
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Winter's Lady
As explored above, Sansa and Alys most likely share a sincere love of dancing, but at the very least, certainly share an expectation of dancing with their husbands on their wedding day. In this way, Alys strongly evokes Sansa when we consider this connection to dancing, but also in how she is described and how she behaves too. Though, of course, a comparison to Sansa is never explicitly stated within the text, instead we find the much more expected and fondly familial comparisons to Arya, which follow a pattern first presented to us with Ygritte in ACOK. But just as with the Girl in Grey prophecy, you can never take the most obvious answer or explanation at face value!
As we know, Jon assumed TGiG must be Arya… but then it seemingly turns out to be Alys, though there are several inconsistencies there, key ones being she doesn’t arrive in grey or from the right direction. Ok, so it must be Jeyne Poole then? Jeyne Poole disguised as Arya, thus sort of aligning with Jon’s first instinct… but also not, and surely that's the twist? But hey! We’re forgetting someone! Someone who has been lurking in the subtext of every romantic female figure that Jon meets…
The girl smiled in a way that reminded Jon so much of his little sister that it almost broke his heart. "Let him be scared of me." – ADWD, Jon X
Alys Karstark reminds Jon of his "little sister," and who else could that be but Arya? Especially when we have proof of their shared fierceness in the following line (though that bravery is a trait held by all the Starklings, including Sansa, I'd argue). That’s all fine and dandy… but then we get the next bit of description and someone else starts to come to mind instead:
The snowflakes were melting on her cheeks, but her hair was wrapped in a swirl of lace that Satin had found somewhere, and snow began to collect there, giving her a frosty crown. Her cheeks were flushed and red, and her eyes sparkled. "Winter’s lady." Jon squeezed her hand. – ADWD, Jon X
It's not just Alys' love of dancing, her courteous nature ("It would only be courteous"), her desire to dance with her husband on her wedding day that creates a parallel to Sansa. The inclusion of melting snowflakes on their faces/cheeks, flushed cheeks, and her lacey wedding garb are also noteworthy:
The smallclothes were all silk, but the gown itself was ivory samite and cloth-of-silver, and lined with silvery satin. The points of the long dagged sleeves almost touched the ground when she lowered her arms […] The bodice was slashed in the front almost to her belly, the deep vee covered with a panel of ornate Myrish lace in dove-grey […] They brought her new shoes as well, slippers of soft grey doeskin that hugged her feet like lovers. "You are very beautiful, my lady," the seamstress said when she was dressed. "I am, aren’t I?" Sansa giggled, and spun, her skirts swirling around her. – ASOS, Sansa III Sansa drifted past frosted shrubs and thin dark trees, and wondered if she were still dreaming. Drifting snowflakes brushed her face as light as lover’s kisses, and melted on her cheeks. At the centre of the garden, beside the statue of the weeping woman that lay broken and half-buried on the ground, she turned her face up to the sky and closed her eyes. She could feel the snow on her lashes, taste it on her lips. It was the taste of Winterfell. The taste of innocence. The taste of dreams.[…] "What are you doing?" Petyr straightened his cloak. "Kissing a snow maid." "You're supposed to kiss her." Sansa glanced up at Lysa's balcony, but it was empty now. "Your lady wife." "I do. Lysa has no cause for complaint." He smiled. "I wish you could see yourself, my lady. You are so beautiful. You're crusted over with snow like some little bear cub, but your face is flushed and you can scarcely breathe. How long have you been out here? You must be very cold. Let me warm you, Sansa. Take off those gloves, give me your hands." – ASOS, Sansa VII
In the first passage, from ASOS, we have a description of Sansa's wedding garb, though at the time she was unaware of what this new outfit was intended for. What is striking, however, is how the combination colours — ivory, silver, silvery, dove-grey, soft grey — are not only the colours of House Stark, but also evoke a wintery landscape, especially a gentle flurry of snowflakes with "her skirts swirling around her." It’s a very romantic image, but so is the description of Alys Karstark in her wedding clothes… though it's always struck me as rather convenient, as opposed to realistic, that "a swirl of lace" just happened to be found for the occasion. Indeed, what use do men of the Night’s Watch have for such fripperies, I ask you?
Admittedly, Sansa is never called "a northern maid" or "winter’s lady" like Alys is, but such descriptions wouldn't be out of place regarding here, as we have Sansa’s ties to the north and her position/identity as a lady/maiden emphasised time and time again throughout the series. And "a snow maid" and "winter’s lady" feel fairly synonymous to me. Alys Karstark is also called a "a northern maid" by Ser Axell Florent, which could well be said of Sansa too:
"Sansa was a lady at three, always so courteous and eager to please. She loved nothing so well as tales of knightly valour. Men would say she had my look, but she will grow into a woman far more beautiful than I ever was, you can see that […]" – ACOK, Catelyn VII "I forgot, you've been hiding under a rock. The northern girl. Winterfell's daughter. We heard she killed the king with a spell, and afterward changed into a wolf with big leather wings like a bat, and flew out a tower window. But she left the dwarf behind and Cersei means to have his head." – ASOS, Arya XIII "[…] If Dontos and this northern girl helped murder our sweet king, it seems to me that they would want to put as many leagues as they could betwixt themselves and justice […]" – AFFC, Brienne I "[…] A young maid, three-and-ten and fair of face, with blue eyes and auburn hair […]" – AFFC, Brienne II I am Sansa Stark, Lord Eddard's daughter and Lady Catelyn's, the blood of Winterfell. – AFFC, Sansa I
I mean… no disrespect meant to you Alys, you seem like a nice gal, but… I mean… come on, now. If anyone is the OTMN/OTWL (One True Northern Maid/One True Winter’s Lady) of the series, it’s Sansa goddamn Stark. But to summarise, just from looking at that first usage of "anon," Jon's interactions with Alys Karstark, and Alys herself, we can get the sense that there’s something more going on here that isn't immediately apparent:
There are some mysteries in these books. There are some things that I’m gonna reveal later on that I’m planting clues for. There are some later plot twists that I’m foreshadowing. There are things that are gonna happen in Book 5 and Book 6 and Book 7 where I’ve planted a seed for it in Book 1. But I don’t necessarily want to give away my hand. So, what do I do when I plant the seed? Well, I plant the seed, but I try to do a little literary sleight of hand, and while I’m planting the seed, my other hand is up there waving and is distracting you with some flashy bit of wordplay or something that’s going on in the foreground, while the seed is being planted in the background. So hopefully the seed is there, the foreshadowing is there, but maybe you won’t notice it, because it’s surrounded by so many other things. [source]
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The Significance of Snowflakes
I've kind of talked around your actual question and key quotation because I wanted to put it in context first before I really dive into it and pick it apart. But let's return to it fully now:
On and on the wildlings came. The day grew darker, just as Tormund said. Clouds covered the sky from horizon to horizon, and warmth fled. There was more shoving at the gate, as men and goats and bullocks jostled each other out of the way. It is more than impatience, Jon realised. They are afraid. Warriors, spearwives, raiders, they are afraid of those woods, of shadows moving through the trees. They want to put the Wall between them before the night descends. A snowflake danced upon the air. Then another. Dance with me, Jon Snow, he thought. You’ll dance with me anon. – ADWD, Jon XII
To recap, "anon" is used only twice in the series: in ADWD, Jon X and ADWD, Jon XII. In its first usage it is notably misused ("You danced with me anon"), as the meaning of "anon" refers to a future event, rather than the past. In the second and above usage, which refers back to that first mention, it is used correctly by Jon in his internal musings. Something about it suggests to me that this undisclosed voice is a familiar one to Jon, especially when we consider how Alys Karstark implicitly parallels Sansa and therefore acts as a sort of stand-in, or not quite right placeholder for her (a la Ygritte and Val).  
Something else to ponder on is the possibility that this request, but also assurance of "dance with me, Jon Snow […] You’ll dance with me anon" is actually a recollected memory. This would marry the two past and future usages of "anon" — Alys' (mis)use, which referenced a dance shared when she and Jon "were children" and Jon's, which uses it correctly and points towards the future… though, a future dance also shared with someone from the past, a past previously thought walled up and left behind (... what are you fleeing from Jon? For those not in the know, check out my Byronic Hero meta 👀).
So, past events and a foreshadowed future are important to consider here. Likewise, childhood and memory. But what is behind the importance placed on dancing, and moreover, on snowflakes?
As I said in my introductory paragraph, the Romantic description of dancing snowflakes alongside a request to dance and possible remembrances of the past/childhood feels strongly evocative of an earlier passage from ASOS and therefore one character in particular… Sansa Stark:
Outside the flakes drifted down as soft and silent as memory. Was this what woke me? Already the snowfall lay thick upon the garden below, blanketing the grass, dusting the shrubs and statues with white and weighing down the branches of the trees. The sight took Sansa back to cold nights long ago, in the long summer of her childhood. She had last seen snow the day she’d left Winterfell. That was a lighter fall than this, she remembered. Robb had melting snowflakes in his hair when he hugged me, and the snowball Arya tried to make kept coming apart in her hands. It hurt to remember how happy she had been that morning. Hullen had helped her mount, and she’d ridden out with snowflakes swirling around her, off to see the great wide world. I thought my song was beginning that day, but it was almost done.  – ASOS, Sansa VII
The descriptions of Sansa entering the Eyrie's godswood that follow the above are some of my favourite passages in the whole of ASOIAF. But it’s interesting to consider how snowflakes in particular serve to connect Jonsa to one another through memory. Robb is described by both Sansa and Jon in their memories as having "melting snowflakes in his hair," and there is something quite melancholy about that association, the impermanence of it and the knowledge that Robb is no longer:
Robb had melting snowflakes in his hair when he hugged me […] – ASOS, Sansa VII "So do you, Sam. Have a swift, safe voyage, and take care of her and Aemon and the child." The cold trickles on his face reminded Jon of the day he’d bid farewell to Robb at Winterfell, never knowing that it was for the last time. "And pull your hood up. The snowflakes are melting in your hair." – ADWD, Jon II He thought of Robb, with snowflakes melting in his hair. – ADWD, Jon XIII
But more than that, the sight of snow in the godswood "took Sansa back to cold nights long ago, in the long summer of her childhood," but especially her last day in Winterfell. Similarly, the sight of snowflakes melting in his friend's hair reminds Jon of Robb, but also of his own departure from home — "the day he’d bid farewell […] never knowing that it was for the last time." Like Sansa, Jon too was setting off "to see the great wide world," and both have had that idealism challenged by adversity. The melting of snowflakes, and their connection to Robb, serve to highlight a past and safety that has been lost, a childhood that can never be returned to — it has melted away, just like the snowflakes.
But what does it mean when snowflakes aren’t melting, in hair or on cheeks? Can they still be connected to remembrance? What about the future, signified by snowflakes in motion, yet to settle?
It’s worth noting how infrequently "snowflake(s)" are actually mentioned in the series — only 28 uses across five books so far. Similarly, "flakes," used as a shortening for snowflakes, are also referenced even more sparingly, amounting to just 10 uses.
11 -> Jon = ASOS (3), ADWD (8) 5 -> Sansa = ASOS (5) 5 -> Bran = AGOT (3), ADWD (2) 4 -> Theon = ADWD (4) 4 -> Samwell = ASOS (1), AFFC (3) 2 -> Melisandre = ADWD (2)
It's unsurprising that Jon Snow would get the most mentions, as not only is he situated in the frosty north for the entirety of his story thus far, but he is also one of the most prolific POV in the series:
42 Chpts. -> Jon =GOT (9) -> ACOK (8) -> ASOS (12) -> AFFC (N/A) -> ADWD (13)
Most of Jon's snowflake references feature in ADWD, where he has the most POV chapters of any other character — just one above Tyrion, however. By comparison, Sansa and Bran, our second placers, have far less POV chapters (sides eyes GRRM), so they are perhaps all the more noteworthy:
25 Chpts. -> Sansa = AGOT (6) -> ACOK (8) -> ASOS (7) -> AFFC (3) -> ADWD (N/A)
21 Chpts. -> Bran = AGOT (7) -> ACOK (7) -> ASOS (4) -> AFFC (N/A) -> ADWD (3)
14 Chpts. -> Theon = AGOT (N/A) -> ACOK (6) -> ASOS (N/A) -> AFFC (N/A) -> ADWD (7)
10 Chpts. -> Samwell = AGOT (N/A) -> ACOK (N/A) -> ASOS (5) -> AFFC (5) -> ADWD (N/A)
1 Ch. -> Melisandre = AGOT (N/A) -> ACOK (N/A) -> ASOS (N/A) -> AFFC (N/A) -> ADWD (1)
It's clear that the number of snowflake references mirrors the number of POVs a character has… to a certain extent. But for me, what is especially interesting about this breakdown of references is that everyone, bar Sansa, is in the north at the time of their snowflake/flake mentions. By contrast, Sansa is in the Vale and the Eyrie with her references all taking place in a single chapter — ASOS, Sansa VII, aka the godswood chapter — where there are some very heavy allusions made to her past in Winterfell, as well as her involvement in its future restoration. So, she may be physically some distance from the north, but the emotional thrust of that long passage in the Eyrie’s godswood is nevertheless utterly wrapped up in imagery of the north… and in Jon Snow, funnily enough.
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Comparing Snowflake Uses Across POVs
I think it’s always worth considering parallel imagery and word choice when it comes to seeking out hidden references and/or foreshadowing in a series like ASOIAF. With the snowflakes referenced in Jon and Sansa’s chapters, they are more often than not described as either drifting, dancing or swirling. Delicate and fragile, but in perpetual motion, not quite settled. Persevering.
But let’s take a closer look:
11 -> Jon = ASOS (3), ADWD (8)
Jon watched the flakes melt as they drifted over the flames. – ASOS, Jon I
Snowflakes speckled Tormund's broad face, melting in his hair and beard. – ASOS, Jon II
"Are all crows so curious?" asked Tormund. "Well, here’s a tale for you. It were another winter, colder even than the one I spent inside that giant, and snowing day and night, snowflakes as big as your head, not these little things […]" – ASOS, Jon II
The cold trickle on [Sam's] face reminded Jon of the day he’d bid farewell to Robb at Winterfell, never knowing that it was for the last time. "And pull your hood up. The snowflakes are melting in your hair." – ADWD, Jon II
When the last of the riders had disappeared into the trees, Jon Snow rode the winch cage down with Dolorous Edd. A few scattered snowflakes were falling as they made their slow descent, dancing on the gusty wind. One followed the cage down, drifting just beyond the bars. It was falling faster than they were descending and from time to time would vanish beneath them. Then a gust of wind would catch it and push it upward once again. Jon could have reached through the bars and caught it if he had wished. – ADWD, Jon VI
Melisandre raised her hands, and the ditchfire leapt upward toward her fingers, like a great red dog sprinting for a treat. A swirl of sparks rose to meet the snowflakes coming down. – ADWD, Jon X
The snowfall was light today, a thin scattering of flakes dancing in the air, but the wind was blowing from the east along the Wall, cold as the breath of the ice dragon in the tales Old Nan used tell. – ADWD, Jon X
Melisandre’s eyes shone as bright as the ruby at her throat. "Then come to me and be as one." As she beckoned, a wall of flames roared upward, licking at the snowflakes with hot orange tongues. Alys Karstark took her Magnar by the hand. – ADWD, Jon X
A snowflake danced upon the air. Then another. Dance with me, Jon Snow, he thought. You’ll dance with me anon. – ADWD, Jon XII
He thought of Robb, with snowflakes melting in his hair. – ADWD, Jon XIII
Above are all the references to snowflakes in Jon’s chapters, but I want to zero in on several comparable uses, in which there is an interesting combination of factors at play:
A few scattered snowflakes were falling as they made their slow descent, dancing on the gusty wind. One followed the cage down, drifting just beyond the bars. – ADWD, Jon VI
The snowfall was light today, a thin scattering of flakes dancing in the air, but the wind was blowing from the east along the Wall, cold as the breath of the ice dragon in the tales Old Nan used tell. – ADWD, Jon X
The snowflakes were melting on [Alys’] cheeks, but her hair was wrapped in a swirl of lace Satin had found somewhere, and the snow had begun to collect there, giving her a frosty crown. Her cheeks were flushed and red, and her eyes sparkled. – ADWD, Jon X
A snowflake danced upon the air. Then another. Dance with me, Jon Snow, he thought. You’ll dance with me anon. – ADWD, Jon XII
Across three chapters in ADWD, we find references to snowflakes used… but described in a very particular, delicate way:
Light snowfall -> "A few scattered snowflakes," "slow descent," "the snowfall was light," "a thin scattering of flakes," "the snow had begun to collect there," "a snowflake […] then another."
Dancing/drifting/swirling -> "Dancing on the gusty wind," "drifting just beyond the bars," "dancing in the air," "a swirl of lace […] the snow had begun to collect there," "a snowflake danced upon the air."
Blowing on the wind -> "Dancing on the gusty wind," "dancing in the air," "the wind was blowing," "a snowflake danced upon the air."
Let’s keep the above in mind as we move onto Sansa's uses!
5 -> Sansa = ASOS (5)
She had last seen snow the day she'd left Winterfell. That was a lighter fall than this, she remembered. Robb had melting flakes in his hair when he hugged me […] Hullen had helped her mount, and she’d ridden out with the snowflakes swirling around her […] – ASOS, Sansa VII
Outside the flakes drifted downas soft and silent as memory.– ASOS, Sansa VII
Drifting snowflakes brushed her face as light as lover’s kisses, and melted on her cheeks […] She could feel the snow on her lashes, taste it on her lips. – ASOS, Sansa VII
The wind flapped her skirts and bit at her bare legs with cold teeth. She could feel snowflakes melting on her cheeks. – ASOS, Sansa VII
Bar two, you could argue that all of Sansa’s snowflake references subtly mirror the four Jon usages I singled out above… or rather, his mirror hers…
She had last seen snow the day she’d left Winterfell. That was a lighter fall than this, she remembered. Robb had melting flakes in his hair when he hugged me […] Hullen had helped her mount, and she’d ridden out with the snowflakes swirling around her […] – ASOS, Sansa VII
Outside the flakes drifted down as soft and silent as memory.– ASOS, Sansa VII
Drifting snowflakes brushed her face as light as lover’s kisses, and melted on her cheeks. – ASOS, Sansa VII
Light snowfall -> "That was a lighter fall than this," "soft and silent," "as light as lover’s kisses."
Drifting/swirling -> "The snowflakes swirling around her," "the flakes drifted down," "drifting snowflakes."
What is absent, however, is any emphasis placed on the wind and how it carries these snowflakes. By comparison, in Jon passages where the above two factors are included it could be that the inclusion of snowflakes "dancing on the gusty wind," "dancing in the air," "the wind was blowing," etc., is meant to emphasise their motion even more so. And perhaps not just their motion, but also possibly their direction — towards Jon and therefore towards the north… just like the girl in grey:
[…] dancing on the gusty wind. One [snowflake] followed the cage down, drifting just beyond the bars. It was falling faster than they were descending and from time to time would vanish beneath them. Then a gust of wind would catch it and push it upward once again. Jon could have reached through the bars and caught it if he had wished. – ADWD, Jon VI […] flakes dancing in the air, but the wind was blowing from the east along the Wall […] – ADWD, Jon X So lovely. The snow-clad summit of the Giant’s Lance loomed above her, an immensity of stone and ice that dwarfed the castle perched upon its shoulder. Icicles twenty feet long draped the lip of the precipice where Alyssa’s Tears fell in summer. A falcon soared above the frozen waterfall, blue wings spread wide against the morning sky. Would that I had wings as well.– AFFC, Alayne I
I’ll come back to the significance of that easterly wind in particular in due course.
5 -> Bran = AGOT (3), ADWD (2)
A light snow was falling. Bran could feel the flakes on his face, melting as they touched his skin like the gentlest of rains. – AGOT, Bran V
Robb lifted his face to the snow, and the flakes melted on his cheeks. – AGOT, Bran V
The joy Bran had felt at the ride was gone, melted away like the snowflakes on his face. – AGOT, Bran V
The wolf let his tongue loll out between his teeth, tasting the frigid air, his breath misting as snowflakes melted on his tongue. – ADWD, Bran I
Snowflakes drifted down soundlessly to cloak the soldier pines and sentinels in white. – ADWD, Bran III
With Bran, references to snowflakes are typically soft "like the gentles of rains," but also often melting — against his face, on his tongue, on Robb’s cheeks. References to snowflakes makes sense in Bran's chapters as he spends the entirety of them in the north where snow is frequent. However, only once are they referred to as drifting (or any similar verb), so his inclusions aren't a perfect match to Jonsa's… nor are they perhaps meant to be.
Light snowfall -> "A light snow was falling […] like the gentlest of rains," "drifted down soundlessly."
Drifting -> "Drifted down."
Melting -> "Melting as they touched his skin," "the flakes melted on his cheeks," "melted away like the snowflakes on his face," "snowflakes melted on his tongue."
4 -> Samwell = ASOS (1), AFFC (3)
He stared upward at the pale white sky as snowflakes drifted down upon his stomach and his chest and his eyelids. – ASOS, Samwell I
A snowflake landed on Sam’s nose. – AFFC, Samwell I
"So do you, Sam. Have a swift, safe voyage, and take care of her and Aemon and the child." Jon smiled a strange, sad smile. "And pull your hood up. The snowflakes are melting in your hair." – AFFC, Samwell I
A light snow had begun to fall, the big soft flakes drifting down lazily from the sky. – AFFC, Samwell I
Like Bran, snowflakes are not out of place in Sam's chapters given the northernly environment in which they are set. In fact, his uses could be said to share the same intent as Bran's — setting the scene, evoking Robb Stark, etc. — though interestingly they are at times described as drifting.
Light snowfall -> "A light snow," "soft flakes."
Drifting -> "Snowflakes drifted," "soft flakes drifting."
Melting -> "The snowflakes are melting in your hair."
4 -> Theon = ADWD (4)
The first flakes came drifting down as the sun was setting in the west. By nightfall snow was coming down so heavily that the moon rose behind a white curtain, unseen. – ADWD, The Turncloak
Lord Ramsay commanded Abel to give them a marching song in honour of Stannis trudging through the snows, so the bard took up his lute again, whilst one of his washerwomen coaxed a sword from Sour Alyn and mimed Stannis slashing at the snowflakes. – ADWD, The Turncloak
Outside the snow was coming down so heavily that Theon could not see more than three feet ahead of him. He found himself alone in a white wilderness, walls of snow looming up to either side of him chest high. When he raised his head, the snowflakes brushed his cheeks like cold soft kisses. – ADWD, A Ghost in Winterfell
The hot water filled the air with clouds of steam, melting the snowflakes as they came drifting down. – ADWD, Theon I
Theon's snowflakes are notably mentioned whilst he is at Winterfell, and also whilst he is in the godswood. He's been described as Jon's foil by GRRM, so it is interesting to me that where for Jon snowflakes arrive with a light snowfall, for Theon these similarly drifting snowflakes are instead falling "so heavily." There is some softer imagery with the description of the snowflakes brushing his cheeks "like cold soft kisses," but there is little romance to that, or the context of that scene.
Light snowfall -> "Cold soft kisses."
Drifting -> "The first flakes came drifting down," "drifting down."
Heavy snowfall -> "By nightfall snow was coming down so heavily," "outside the snow was coming down so heavily."
Melting -> "Melting snowflakes."
2 -> Melisandre = ADWD (2)
Snowflakes swirled from a dark sky and ashes rose to meet them, the grey and white whirling around each other as flaming arrows arced above a wooden wall and dead things shambled silent through the cold, beneath a great grey cliff where fires burned inside a hundred caves. Then the wind rose and the white mist came sweeping in, impossibly cold, and one by one the fires went out. – ADWD, Melisandre I
A few snowflakes drifted by the open window, floating on the wind. – ADWD, Melisandre I
Now, Melisandre is an interesting one. Only one POV chapter in the series so far and yet she gets a couple of snowflake mentions that line up with the imagery used in Jon's and Sansa's chapters.
Light snowfall -> "A few snowflakes."
Drifting/swirling/whirling/floating ->"Snowflakes swirled."
Blowing on the wind -> "The wind rose," "floating on the wind."
I think the second reference, in particular, stands out since it ticks all three requirements, with the softness of the snowfall (indicated by their sparseness) being key, I think. Why is that interesting? Well, what has Melisandre been wondering about throughout her chapter? The girl in grey.
The girl. I must find the girl again, the grey girl on the dying horse. Jon Snow would expect that of her, and soon. It would not be enough to say the girl was fleeing. He would want more, he would want the when and the where, and she did not have that for him. She had seen the girl only once. A girl as grey as ash, and even as I watched she crumbled and blew away. – ADWD, Melisandre I
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A Snowflake Danced Upon the Air from the East
The identity of TGiG has been long speculated about and I’m someone, like many Jonsas, who believes that she will be none other than Sansa Stark. By working on this meta though, I feel like I’m even more convinced that that’ll be true. Considering the above, I get the sense that when certain factors occur alongside one another — light snowfall that drifts/dances/swirls — what we’re getting is an implicit reference to either Jon in a Sansa chapter, or Sansa in a Jon chapter. The slight difference between them, however, is that for Jon we have the added factor of the wind carrying these snowflakes… as though towards him:
When the last of the riders had disappeared into the trees, Jon Snow rode the winch cage down with Dolorous Edd. A few scattered snowflakes were falling as they made their slow descent, dancing on the gusty wind. One followed the cage down, drifting just beyond the bars. It was falling faster than they were descending and from time to time would vanish beneath them. Then a gust of wind would catch it and push it upward once again. Jon could have reached through the bars and caught it if he had wished. – ADWD, Jon VI
A "gusty wind" carries these "dancing" snowflakes, "drifting just beyond the bars" of the winch cage Jon is travelling in. A snowflake just out of reach, but then drifting closer, so close that "Jon could have reached [out] and caught it if he had wished." A snowflake. A snow maid. Interesting.
A snowflake danced upon the air. Then another. Dance with me, Jon Snow, he thought. You’ll dance with me anon. – ADWD, Jon XII
Again, in the quotation from your ask, we have mention of "a snowflake," and that singularity possibly being significant. Though, as we saw previously, there being a singular snowflake isn't a prerequisite for a potential Sansa reference in Jon’s chapters, at least imo. But it's intriguing, nonetheless. Returning to the wedding between Alys and Sigorn, what's also intriguing is this:
"All praise R'hllor, the Lord of Light," the wedding guests answered in ragged chorus before a gust of ice-cold wind blew their words away. Jon Snow raised the hood of his cloak. The snowfall was light today, a thin scattering of flakes dancing in the air, but the wind was blowing from the east along the Wall, cold as the breath of the ice dragon in the tales Old Nan used to tell. Even Melisandre's fire was shivering; the flames huddled down in the ditch, crackling softly as the red priestess sang. Only Ghost seemed not to feel the chill. Alys Karstark leaned close to Jon. "Snow during a wedding means a cold marriage. My lady mother always said so." He glanced at Queen Selyse. There must have been a blizzard the day she and Stannis wed. Huddled beneath her ermine mantle and surrounded by her ladies, serving girls, and knights, the southron queen seemed a frail, pale, shrunken thing. A strained smile was frozen into place on her thin lips, but her eyes brimmed with reverence. She hates the cold but loves the flames.He had only to look at her to see that. A word from Melisandre, and she would walk into the fire willingly, embrace it like a lover.  – ADWD, Jon X
Snow is positioned here as an ill omen, signifying a "cold marriage" if it falls on your wedding day , and yet we've seen from the interactions between the wedded couple that so far that hasn’t come to pass, in fact, they look set for a pretty warm and happy marriage. So maybe this talk of prophetic superstitions is just a distraction… but a distraction from what?
The snowfall was light today, a thin scattering of flakes dancing in the air, but the wind was blowing from the east along the Wall, cold as the breath of the ice dragon in the tales Old Nan used to tell. Even Melisandre's fire was shivering; the flames huddled down in the ditch, crackling softly as the red priestess sang. Only Ghost seemed not to feel the chill. – ADWD, Jon X
Light snowfall, dancing snowflakes on the cold wind… and yet "Ghost seemed not to feel the chill." Indeed, if the behaviour of Ghost is any indication… Jon Snow may be Queen Selyse's opposite in the sense that he hates the flames but loves the cold. Loves a snow maid. Loves winter’s true lady. Will love the girl in grey on a dying horse, running from the hunters… travelling from the east, blowing towards him on an easterly wind:
The girl. I must find the girl again, the grey girl on the dying horse. Jon Snow would expect that of her, and soon. It would not be enough to say the girl was fleeing. He would want more, he would want the when and the where, and she did not have that for him. She had seen the girl only once. A girl as grey as ash, and even as I watched she crumbled and blew away. – ADWD, Melisandre I "Hills. Fields. Trees. A deer, once. Stones. She is staying well away from villages. When she can she rides along the bed of little streams, to throw hunters off her trail." [Mance] frowned. "That will make it difficult. She was coming north, you said. Was the lake to her east or to her west?" Melisandre closed her eyes, remembering. "West." – ADWD, Melisandre I The snowfall was light today, a thin scattering of flakes dancing in the air, but the wind was blowing from the east along the Wall […] – ADWD, Jon X
Because if Long Lake is to the west of her, then the girl in grey will be coming to the Wall from the east… "Blowing from the east along the Wall," just as Melisandre saw in her flames; a girl who "crumbled and blew away," who is fleeing, riding north on a dying horse, in motion, on her way to Jon Snow's side. As I've said, it’s not a brand-new theory to believe that Sansa is going to be the real girl in grey, but I think that these dancing snowflakes (an allusion to Sansa) blowing in from the east further supports that conclusion. Building on that, I wouldn't be surprised if, much like in the show actually, Sansa's arrival coincides with a swirl of drifting snowflakes, dancing on the north-easterly wind.
And it's not just in Jon's chapters that the direction of east, or a wind blowing in from the east, occurs:
Alayne's apartments in the Maiden's Tower were larger and more lavish than the little bedchamber where she'd been kept when Lady Lysa was alive. She had a dressing room and a privy of her own now, and a balcony of carved white stone that looked off across the Vale. While Gretchel was tending to the fire, Alayne padded barefoot across the room and slipped outside. The stone was cold beneath her feet, and the wind was blowing fiercely, as it always did up here, but the view made her forget all that for half a heartbeat. Maiden's was the easternmost of the Eyrie’s seven slender towers, so she had the Vale before her, its forests and rivers and fields all hazy in the morning light. […] […] A falcon soared above the frozen waterfall, blue wings spread wide against the morning sky. Would that I had wings as well. – AFFC, Alayne I
Like a lady in a song, like "some willowy creature who sits up in a tower" (ADWD, Jon IX), Alayne Stone resides in the Maiden's Tower, "the easternmost of the Eyrie's seven slender towers." From her tower, she looks out to the east, wishing that she had wings to carry herself away…
They are all convinced she is a princess. Val looked the part and rode as if she had been born on horseback. A warrior princess, he decided, not some willowy creature who sits up in a tower, brushing her hair and waiting for some knight to rescue her. – ADWD, Jon IX
East. East. She is coming from the east. A drifting, dancing snowflake on the light gusty wind. Beyond the bars of Jon's cage — both physical and abstract — almost within his grasp. Almost. And not some willowy creature, not even a snow maid, but a real living girl, saving herself, rescuing herself, but in need of some help too.
A snowflake danced upon the air. Then another. Dance with me, Jon Snow, he thought. You’ll dance with me anon. – ADWD, Jon XII
And as the snowflakes drift, on a gusty eastern wind, their touch as light as lover's kisses, they will dance with one another anon...
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The mythology series [Jonsa] ~ Isis and Osiris, the ‘ghost’ king and his resilient wife
Ciao my Jonsa folks! (and those lurking, or just curious!), here I am with another instalment of the mythology series pertaining possible parallels between myths and the couple formed by Jon and Sansa in the world of asoiaf.
As always, the premises still stand — no I am not an expert, yes it's all for fun and because of my curiosity, and yes if you are an expert and know better I'll appreciate your input — and for this cycle this time we go to Egypt and to one of my favourite mythological parallels of the Jonsa ship.
Put your seatbelt on, it's going to be a ride! (again)
Isis and Osiris, the dutiful, resilient wife and the ‘ghost’ king — a ghost wolf, as big as mountains (Egyptian mythology vs. GRRM Asoiaf)
All around was empty air and sky, the ground falling away sharply to either side. There was ice underfoot, and broken stones just waiting to turn an ankle, and the wind was howling fiercely. It sounds like a wolf, thought Sansa. A ghost wolf, big as mountains. And then they were on the other side (...) — Alayne II, AFFC
Jon fell to his knees. (...) "Ghost," (...) When the third dagger took him between the shoulder blades, he gave a grunt and fell face-first into the snow. He never felt the fourth knife. Only the cold … — Jon XIII, ADWD
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As always, I cannot stress enough, these pieces of art are not mine, nor do I claim them as such, they are amazing pieces shared online and they belong to their creators, my only merit, if it is even that, is having collected them to make this series of metas more aesthetically pleasing!
So, let's hop onto the story of Osiris and Isis.
As with most myths the story itself varies locally, and marginally during the ages in which it has been transcripts but some details remain the same; for example we should differ the roman-greek transcription of this myth as it is influenced by details that are not egyptian in truth, while a full record of the entire myth by egyptian hand has gone lost, we have myriads of stories, funerary spells, etcetera that depict variants of this same myth, or add details necessary for the purpose of the text in which is featured the story. This makes the myth of Osiris and Isis one of the most detailed and cohesive of egyptian myths that arrived to us.
The myth touches a series of problematics that could be (read: are) featured in asoiaf as well, and primarily not only the matter of resurrection [some time I'll really, really have to wrap up my series of metas about resurrected characters in asoiaf] but also that of succession (who should succeed the previous king? His brother or his son?). And I think we can all see how this features perfectly in asoiaf with the character of Jon as Osiris (as what we have now — up until the moment Jon gets killed by his sworn brothers Aegon could've been a candidate as well, but since Jon has been betrayed by his sworn brothers and killed and we know he will be resurrected...well he remains the sole candidate for this role).
So...let's see why Osiris and Jon fit almost like a glove.
Osiris, the wise and just king and Jon the “king hidden under the snow”
Name yourself in your heart and know who you are. — Awakening Osiris, N. Ellis, A new translation of the Egyptian Book of the Dead
“(...) kings are a rare sight in the North” Robert snorted “More likely they were hiding under the snow! Snow, Ned!” — Eddard I, AGOT, GRRM Tyrion Lannister had claimed that most men would rather deny a hard truth than face it, but Jon was done with denials. He was who he was; Jon Snow, bastard and oathbreaker, motherless, friendless, and damned. For the rest of his life—however long that might be—he would be condemned to be an outsider, the silent man standing in the shadows who dares not speak his true name. — Jon IX, AGOT, GRRM
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So, Osiris was a foreign king who came to Egypt bringing with himself a new set of law and skills that he taught the egyptians who loved him and respected him.
So far so good: Jon is born from a foreign dynasty (the Targaryens) and the Starks who are a beloved dynasty in the North, he is loved by his sworn brothers to the point they name him, at seventeen, Lord Commander of the Nights Watch. He, himself teaches some of his brothers how to fight.
Osiris was beloved because he was just, smart and honorable. Jon is beloved for those same things — he has done some fucked up shit, like forcing Gilly to swap the babies — but as those characteristics breed love and loyalty, they also breed disloyalty and envy.
Osiris' own brother, Seth, betrayed him — made him a casket precisely build with his measurements — and then tricked him into entering it, closing the lid and ensuring he died before setting the corpse and casket into the Nile's currents.
Another check: Jon's own sworn brothers (the brothers he chose over Robb, though he chose fakeArya over them) betray him — convince him to join them outside with tales of his own uncle news, fashioned exactly to appeal perfectly to Jon's nature and love for his family, just like the casket was fashioned precisely with Osiris measurements — and kill him leaving him to bleed out in coldness.
Osiris later gets resurrected even if his own body pieces are scattered around all of Egypt, he is sewn back together by his sister-wife, and returned to life under the full moon (which, coincidentally is pretty much linked forever with wolves and werewolves, men turning into wolves in that very night and the Starks' sigil is the direwolf and all of them are wargs, why Sansa is said to have changed into a wolf with bat-like wings and flown away) and has to walk in the kingdom of the dead of which he is now the king.
Anyone thinking of Sansa sewing a cloak exactly like Ned Stark's and gifting it to Jon thus claiming him as a Stark and sewing back his identity as a northerner after all he wanted to do once reawaken was to hide away? No? Only I?
Jon, we know, will get resurrected by Melisandre and imo (but yes, you'll have to wait until I finally post my series of metas about resurrection in asoiaf) that means Jon will return but not all of him will return, only his most pure, primordial nature will return with him.
A wolf protecting his pack, which was the identity he chose (Arya over the NW) when he died... and who is en route to him? Sansa, as the show has suggested they'll be the first two Starks to reunite.
Also, is entirely possible Sansa calling his name or singing (as one of his fonder memories of Sansa is her singing softly to herself as she brushes her direwolf's fur) will bring him back to himself more, transforming him from a dead-man walking, to a living person again.
In the show it's Sansa who gives Jon purpose after he chooses to leave the NW and the whole of Westeros to its fate. She's the one who makes him fight again and the hidden (or not so hidden) motive for all of his actions in the last seasons.
Isis the bird of prey Queen mother of Egypt and Sansa Stark the “little bird”
To pronounce the name of the dead, is to make them live again. — The Blind assassin, M. Atwood
She had not thought of Jon in ages. He was only her half brother, but still...with Robb and Bran and Rickon dead, Jon Snow was the only brother that remained to her. I am a bastard too now, just like him. Oh, it would be so sweet, to see him once again. (...) There was ice underfoot, and broken stones just waiting to turn an ankle, and the wind was howling fiercely. It sounds like a wolf, thought Sansa. A ghost wolf, big as mountains. — Alayne II, AFFC, GRRM   He thought of Robb, with snowflakes melting in his hair. Kill the boy and let the man be born. He thought of Bran, clambering up a tower wall, agile as a monkey. Of Rickon's breathless laughter. Of Sansa, brushing out Lady's coat and singing to herself. You know nothing, Jon Snow. He thought of Arya, her hair as tangled as a bird's nest. — Jon XIII, ADWD, GRRM
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Isis is a figure that assumed more and more importance and influence as the centuries passed as, in the first centuries of egyptian culture she was mostly unknown and obscure, though the priests of the temple of Re, consacred to the god of the Sun developed her myth and she turned out to be the matriarch of the egyptian pantheon and one of its primal figureheads.
She was the sister-wife of Osiris and sister of Seth and Nephthys.
She is highly linked with queenship and kingship to the point the hieroglyph associated with her is also the same that spells the word ‘throne’ — “The girl's happiness is not my purpose, nor should it be yours. Our alliances in the south may be as solid as Casterly Rock, but there remains the north to win, and the key to the north is Sansa Stark.” Tyrion III, ASOS — she's often depicted with a crown with the solar disk and/or the horns of a cow (a symbol of motherhood and fertility), she could depicted as a series of animals scorpions, sow or cows but especially a bird.
Sansa, while being the first of Ned's children to be called ‘wolf-girl’ (Sansa I, AGOT) is called by Cersei ‘little dove’ and by the Hound ‘little bird’ (both are denigratory) and the bird imaginary doesn't stop there, in fact after she escapes KL, the people around the known world (story of it reaches even Braavos!) say she killed the king with a spell and then turned into a wolf with the wings of a bat and flew away from the Red Keep.
Also, Arya when she learns of this rumor comments on how Sansa knows only song, and songs in Egypt like in any other ancient culture, were highly connected to magic and religion.
What did Isis bring with herself when she followed her husband to Egypt? She was known to support her husband wholeheartedly (“Jon is our king” and bookSansa supporting Robert as lord of the Eyrie, helping her cousin through the snow and peril as she feels Jon and Ghost) she taught women to sew (what is Sansa shown doing in the very first appearance? Stitching the same way she'll stitch back the northern independence cause), brew beer and bake (all feminine traits) and she could change into a bird. She's also heavily connected to motherhood and the fact that she hides her son until he is of age to take back the throne not in her own name but in her son's name — "Balon Greyjoy thinks in terms of plunder, not rule. Let him enjoy an autumn crown and suffer a northern winter. He will give his subjects no cause to love him. Come spring, the northmen will have had a bellyful of krakens. When you bring Eddard Stark's grandson home to claim his birthright, lords and little folk alike will rise as one to place him on the high seat of his ancestors. You are capable of getting a woman with child, I hope?" Tyrion III, ASOS — She was the perfect queen for egyptians, content to stay in the shadows of power, letting the men take the limelight but capable of using her wit and female diplomacy skills to guard both husband and son should the need arise. The same way Sansa is using her wit and her diplomacy skills to make sure Robert is loved by the knights of the Vale as @elegantwoes has analyzed in her post about the various purposes her arc in the Vale has (and her parallels with Cat in that aspects), especially with the Winged Knights, pertaining the way nobility sees her and her role, x.
[On a footnote, I think it's highly important the way Jon connects some of the things that have been said to him to his siblings when he thinks of them. For example he thinks of them in the order of succession so Robb, Bran and Rickon as the three trueborn sons of Ned Stark first and then he thinks of the girls, Sansa and then Arya. He nestles things that had been said to him and will have a very important impact on his life after his death between important siblings. He says this: «He thought of Robb, with melting snowflakes into his hair. Kill the boy and let the man be born. He thought of Bran, clambering up a tower wall, agile as a monkey. Of Rickon's breathless laughter. Of Sansa, brushing out Lady's coat and singing softly to herself. You know nothing, Jon Snow. He thought of Arya, her hair as tangled as a bird nest. I made him a warm cloak from the skin of the six whores who came with him to Winterfell. I want my bride back...» this is, imo, a passing of the baton, between the one he'd think of first, and who will get it last. Robb was supposed to get Winterfell over him (who too wanted Winterfell and be its lord) and became KitN but it was not meant to last, and the baton is passed to Bran who he remembers doing what he does best, climbing up the towers agiler than any of them (metaphorically surpassing obstacles they'd never even approach) and what does he associates with kingship and lordship over Winterfell? Maester Aemon: “kill the boy and let the man be born” which could intertwine nicely with him discovering Robb's will and him choosing still to pass Winterfell over the Sansa (“Winterfell belongs to my sister, Sansa” and showJon giving Sansa ladyship over Winterfell through the lord's chambers “You're the lady of Winterfell” which she remains even after he's named king). Then we have Rickon (I don't want to address his breathless laughter, because no, Jon, you might have foreseen your own death but I'm refusing to believe you're foreshadowing Rickon's death. No. I am in denial over it, sue me) and in a full circle we have the girls. Jon has always favored Arya over all of his other siblings and in fact he dies thinking of Arya who he has chosen over the NW neutrality, he considers her, as his sister “his heart” the point is that between thinking of Sansa and Arya, Jon interposes Ygritte. Ygritte who resembles Arya but with whom Jon falls in love because of her similarities with Sansa, her red hair, her singing and her easy smile what is Sansa doing in his memory? (I've spoken of how Ygritte is only a vessel for Sansa in Jon's arc, go check it out if you are interested, x and x and the parallels with courteous love here) Singing softly to herself brushing Lady's coat.
While, instead for Arya he remembers her with her hair all tangled up like a bird nest (I discussed a bit how Jon and Sansa want the same thing which differ from what Arya wants and where her journey is headed, x) so if above between Robb and Bran the baton is passed from the oldest to the younger, here the journey is the opposite, with the baton being passed from the younger (Arya) to the older (Sansa). Jon has been thinking more of Arya than Sansa, thought some would think it was a coping mechanism not too think too much of the sister he had some strange sort of attraction to... I mean Sansa does embody everything Jon wishes of in a partner, but I am digressing; anyway he's thinking and being spurned into action thinking of Arya yet he interposes Ygritte between them and in a full circle as between Robb with melting snowflakes in his hair and Bran doing what Bran does best, approaching and surpassing obstacles they would not approach, the same thing happens between Arya and Sansa, he thinks of Arya with her hair all tangled and of Sansa doing what Sansa does best taking care of others (Lady — as the Lady) while singing like a maid from a song. We see the pattern, do we not? Then, after Arya he thinks of what spurned him in action, word of what had happened to Mance and the death of the spear wives and Ramsay wanting ‘Arya/his bride’ back).
Is Jon supposed to end up saving a ‘bride’ from her ‘husband’ beyond what he did for Alys Karstark? I did say that Ghost fighting the black dog during Jon I, AGOT might foreshadow Jon defending Sansa from the Hound but we have also another possible contender, a contender GRRM had meant for a triangle with Jon Snow from his first draft: 🥁 Tyrion Lannister, Sansa's husband 🥁]
Nephthys the Goddess of decay and death and Arya Stark acolyte of the Faceless Men
I believe life is an education meant to teach us the need to be better people. — R. E. Goodrich
A bruise is a lesson, she told herself, and each lesson makes us better. Syrio stepped back “You're dead now” — Arya IV, AGOT, GRRM
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Nephthys was the goddess of death, decay and birth and she was the youngest daughter of Geb and Nut (parents of Osiris and Isis as well as of Seth) and she was also the goddess of the rivers (and a good portion of Arya voyage after she leaves KL, is in the Riverlands where she starts to understand the way common folk are condemned and destroyed by the plays and games of the nobles). She is considered the mother of Anubis which is either conceived, in some myths, with her husband Seth or after an adulterine intercourse with Osiris, whom she deceived by wearing her sister and his wife's face, looking like Isis!
And who is an acolyte of the Faceless Men in Braavos as of now?, wearing another skin and face?
«I can become someone else, speak in their voice, live in their skin. I can even become you. (...) all I need to find out is your face» — Arya Stark to Sansa Stark in s7e6, GoT.
In another myth, instead, Osiris rapes her and that would be the source of animosity between Seth and Osiris.
While in the beginning her egyptian name — Nebhtet — has been translated as “Mistress of the House” wrongly assuming her as a goddess of the homely hearth (and this reminds me of Arya baking in the books and baking the death-pie in the series), the most probable and correct translation would be instead “Mistress of the Temple” which refers to her sacerdotal duties (which reminds me of Arya's own ambitions and her role as an acolyte of the Faceless Men in Braavos)
Arya cocked her head to one side. "Can I be a king's councillor and build castles and become the High Septon?" — Eddard V, AGOT
Nephthys was considered a very important member of the pantheon, on the same level as her sister; which again reminds me of the crypts trailer in which Sansa, Jon and Arya are all on the same place of honor, all three of them with statues of their own.
Also...Ned says this to Arya, a little bit before he is executed:
“Sansa is your sister. You may be as different as the sun and the moon, but the same blood flows through both your hearts. You need her, as she needs you … and I need both of you, gods help me” — Arya II, AGOT
And one of the funeral inscriptions of the V dynasty recites in the pyramids:
Rise and fall. Descend with Nephthys, and sink in the darkness with the Boat of the Night. Rise and fall. Rise with Isis, arise with the Boat of the Day.
She was considered important and unsettling, but not for that less beloved and she was the protectress of the act of dying as she gave strength to the dying to pass onto the next life. The demons of the afterlife trembled before Isis and Nephthys both, and often the goddesses were associated and considered as a unit, working together — the same way Sansa and Arya will work together, the harpist and the water dancer holding the hidden dagger.
By some recent studies it appears that Nephthys is considered as Seth's wife, but not the Seth antagonistic of the myth of Osiris' death, but the benign version of the western oasis in which he is co-regnant with his wife.
Nephthys does hold an important role in the myth of Osiris resurrection as she is the one helping her sister — and crying along her — to get back all the dismembered pieces of Osiris and also helps the sister to raise Horus, working as a unit.
Legality of ascension to the throne, Osiris is killed, Horus rises, part I
Osiris is killed, as we've seen, by his own brother, Seth, grown envious of him. At first Seth simply fashions a casket with Osiris measurements and then closes the lid assuring himself Osiris dies and sends his body down the Nile. When he discovers Isis has found the body he dismembers it and scatters all pieces around all of Egypt thus claiming the throne as Osiris' heir. In the meantime Isis helped by Nephthys has found all pieces of Osiris' body — save for his manhood — and has resurrected him on the night of the full moon. Once resurrected though, Osiris can no longer be king of Egypt as he is dead, and claims his throne as king of the Afterlife. But, before doing so, he sires a true born son from his wife, Isis, Horus — a god with the head of a falcon — whom Isis goes into hiding with as Seth governs Egypt.
When Horus is old enough to reclaim the throne he battles his own uncle, Seth, for the throne and to avenge Osiris' murder; ending up victorious and becoming king of Egypt; but during the fight his left eyes is poked out — I've lost count of the metas about how Jon will possibly lose an eye and end up having a scarred face after all is said and done — and magically comes alive.
Though Horus won the throne, there was still the matter of whom legally owed the throne. Seth affirmed the throne belonged to him as Osiris' brother and Horus' uncle; while Horus affirmed the throne was rightfully his as Osiris' son and heir. Ultimately it was decided that the throne belonged to Horus thus the line to the throne did not move horizontally between brothers, but vertically between sire and heir.
C'mon, anyone who has read asoaif know this (⬆️) is one of the subjects that has been confronted by the books.
[A note, we're talking only of trueborn children, as the baseborn or bastardborn ones are not considered in the line of succession if not after all true born heirs, vertically or horizontally have died]
Robert was the undisputed king of the Iron throne (legally) at the beginning of AGOT as he has won the realm through conquest and has been offered the crown; when he dies he thinks Joffrey, as his son, will inherit the throne but Joffrey is a bastard, thus Robert does not have trueborn heirs at which point his heir is Stannis, his brother, because Robert died without trueborn children.
Stannis thus reclaims the Iron throne, just as Joffrey does, and he names Shireen, his only child, as his heir going as far, for now, as to have his people swear to put Shireen on the Iron throne if he dies before he takes it.
BUT, Renly, Robert and Stannis' youngest brother, reclaims the throne as well, wrongfully, as he is the youngest (thus he cannot come before Stannis and Shireen, as the line of succession moves horizontally only after vertically it has extinguished).
At the same time in the east Viserys, as Aerys only surviving son, reclaims the Iron throne as his as he is Aerys' heir. When Viserys dies childless the Targaryen line moves horizontally to his sister, Daenerys and to the children she would bear (which would've put Rhaego forward on the line to the throne even before the mother as Viserys' nephew, as the line to the Iron throne passes women over in favor of the males).
In the meantime, in hiding, Aegon reclaims the Iron throne as a claimant because he is the heir of Rhaegar the crown prince to the Iron throne and if his identity is confirmed it puts him before both Viserys and Daenerys in line for the Iron throne, as that would mean that he and any heir he might sire would have to die before the line of succession move horizontally toward Viserys and then Daenerys.
In the same way, Jon as Rhaegar's son — a man raised in Westeros by the most honorable man of the 7K and a man who has protected the Realm from the wights threat — may come before Daenerys in case of Aegon's death, in four cases:
if he's trueborn —› thus after Aegon, who is older, and his possible children; Jon would be the next in line as things stand in the Targaryen line.
if he's legitimized and named by Aegon in an attempt to remove Daenerys from the line —› in the same way as Robb put Jon's claim to Winterfell and the North above Sansa and Arya's by legitimizing Jon as a Stark; thus Jon still does not come before either Bran or Rickon, but he can come before the girls.
if he's offered the throne and declared by the lords over Daenerys despite his bastardy —› the lords of Westeros would sooner accepted a man they do not consider a foreign, who appeases both to the Targaryen loyalists by being Rhaegar's son and the lords who stood against the Targaryens by having the support of Ned Stark's children (for one of whom he has been killed) and having being raised by Ned Stark in Westeros; while Daenerys is a barren woman (which holds a very big influence in the political game of Westeros) who was raised in exile and comes like an invader with dothraki and unsullied and dragons and whose ‘destiny’ is to give her enemies ‘fire and blood’.
Even by being baseborn, with Daenerys being barren he is the only Targaryen/bastard Targaryen who can continue the line, or if he has already sired a true born son to his name.
Similarly in the North Bran, as he is alive, is the rightful king in the North after Robb, as Robb died childless. After him comes Rickon if he abdicates or dies childless, and after Rickon (same as before) comes Sansa as the oldest female of the line and any child she might bear (especially if male) and if she dies childless or abdicates then comes Arya as the youngest daughter. Only in case Arya dies childless or abdicates it's Jon turns as the son of Lyanna Stark thus as a cousin, but he would need to marry either a Stark or another kin (a Karstark — Alys Karstark is already married — for example) to legitimize his right to Winterfell.
This is talking legally speaking. Realistically speaking the one that became king was the one who won through conquest and was recognized as such by the lords and ladies of the kingdom (this is the way Robert became the rightful king of the Iron throne, making of the Targaryens nothing but claimants).
I think that Jon could actually embody — just like Sansa with LF and the Lady Stark-Bael-lord Stark retelling (x)— both Osiris, the dead and resurrected king, and Horus the prince hidden by his mother (by his mother's side — he was hidden and protected by Ned, Lyanna's brother) coming to reclaim his throne from the ambitious and cunning uncle (aunt). Which is why it wouldn't surprise me if he ended up fighting Daenerys (to defend his family, the Starks and Aegon — because, what kind of man watches his brother burn and does nothing?) and then abdicate (like Osiris did) to favor Bran or to accept the lords naming Bran in his place as he might end up banished from the South and in the North, or if he chooses the name Stark over Targaryen thus coming automatically and legally after Bran.
BUT,
The not so small detail of Jon being resurrected from death associates him primordially and almost inseparably with Osiris more than any other character, and Sansa by embodying Isis' characteristics (as I've explained before) might end up being his wife or as I've said many times the untold reason for everything he does even if the romance between them remains always in hiding instead of in the light, told to us only through their thoughts; and wouldn't it be typical of Jon to abdicate because “I died, I was passed over” to one of his siblings?
Also, there is the matter of both Bran and Rickon being alive and in hiding, one of whom is being collected by Davos, means the will making of Jon king in the North will be neutralized by the true born heirs being still alive and Horus could be Bran —
The Rise of Brandon of House Stark, Osiris is killed, Horus rises, part II
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Guess you weren't expecting that!, or perhaps you were.
Horus, in the myth, is a disabled God (he loses his eye during the battle against Seth) but his disability has also empowered him magically (his eye has become a magic symbol of healing). Brandon is the prince to Winterfell, after Robb's death he's the rightful king in the North by law, and he calls himself Bran the Broken, because he is disabled as he has lost the use of his legs and yet in his disability he has found power, as being forced to not be able to move of his own volition has sped forth his training in learning how to harness the natural ability he has, as a Stark, to warg and green-seeing.
Horus is Osiris' son and the prince of Egypt who has been usurped by his uncle. In the same way, if Jon accepts the will Robb made, which makes of him a Stark and the new king in the North he is unwittingly usurping Brandon's — his cousin's — claim to the North. Though this remains to be seen, as Jon has more than once ‘abdicated’ in a way i favor of Sansa, who is a female and legally doesn't carry the Stark name anymore (though the marriage with Tyrion was a sham, Jon has no way to know this, and the argument that Sansa is now lady Lannister is used countlessly to convince him to take Winterfell); it's difficult to imagine he won't do the same for Brandon who legally comes before him anyway; in the same way as Jon has refused Winterfell and defended Sansa's claim to it as Bran and Rickon's heir, Osiris abdicated his own right to the throne of Egypt to put forward his own son, Horus as claimant and heir; possibly Jon will use the same excuse — having being killed, having been dead and thus passed over — to abdicate in favor of Brandon thus in a way getting everything he had wanted to begin with.
In fact the theme of Jon abdicating in favor of his true born siblings his desires is the foremost theme in Jon's arc since the very first chapter of AGOT.
In Bran I, AGOT Jon advocates for the Starklings to keep the direwolf pups even when everyone wants to kill 'em, and the count only comes correct because he counts himself out.
Bran saw his father's face change, saw the other men exchange glances. He loved Jon with all his heart at that moment. Even at seven, Bran understood what his brother had done. The count had come right only because Jon had omitted himself. He had included the girls, included even Rickon, the baby, but not the bastard who bore the surname Snow, the name that custom decreed be given to all those in the north unlucky enough to be born with no name of their own. Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly. "The direwolf graces the banners of House Stark," Jon pointed out. "I am no Stark, Father." — Bran I, AGOT
The result?, Jon gets a pup of his own, Ghost, an albino who carries the colors of the Heart Tree (the white and the red), a gift from the Old Gods to reward Jon's selfless act.
Later, Stannis offers to free Jon of his vows to the NW and make of him a Stark and the rightful lord of Winterfell. To Jon's knowledge he is the last male Stark of the line, as Robb is confirmed dead and Rickon and Bran are believed dead. Arya is presumed dead as well and only Sansa remains of the true born children of Ned Stark, with a new name that speaks of an allegiance that would make the lords of the North grimace. She's Lady Lannister.
Yet, Jon defends Sansa's claim to Winterfell above his own.
I would need to steal her if I wanted her love, but she might give me children. I might someday hold a son of my own blood in my arms. A son was something Jon Snow had never dared dream of, since he decided to live his life on the Wall. I could name him Robb. Val would want to keep her sister's son, but we could foster him at Winterfell, and Gilly's boy as well. Sam would never need to tell his lie. We'd find a place for Gilly too, and Sam could come visit her once a year or so. Mance's son and Craster's would grow up brothers, as I once did with Robb. He wanted it, Jon knew then. He wanted it as much as he had ever wanted anything. I have always wanted it, he thought, guiltily. May the gods forgive me. It was a hunger inside him, sharp as a dragonglass blade. A hunger . . . he could feel it. It was food he needed, prey, a red deer that stank of fear or a great elk proud and defiant. He needed to kill and fill his belly with fresh meat and hot dark blood. His mouth began to water with the thought. — Jon XII, ASOS
You can't be the Lord of Winterfell, you're bastard-born, he heard Robb say again. And the stone kings were growling at him with granite tongues. You do not belong here. This is not your place. When Jon closed his eyes he saw the heart tree, with its pale limbs, red leaves, and solemn face. The weirwood was the heart of Winterfell, Lord Eddard always said . . . but to save the castle Jon would have to tear that heart up by its ancient roots, and feed it to the red woman's hungry fire god. I have no right, he thought. Winterfell belongs to the old gods. — Jon XII, ASOS
"How can I lose men I do not have? I had hoped to bestow Winterfell on a northman, you may recall. A son of Eddard Stark. He threw my offer in my face." Stannis Baratheon with a grievance was like a mastiff with a bone; he gnawed it down to splinters. "By right Winterfell should go to my sister Sansa." "Lady Lannister, you mean? Are you so eager to see the Imp perched on your father's seat? I promise you, that will not happen whilst I live, Lord Snow." — Jon I, ADWD
“(...)Which would you have as Lord of Winterfell, Snow? The smiler or the slayer?" Jon said, "Winterfell belongs to my sister Sansa." "I have heard all I need to hear of Lady Lannister and her claim." — Jon IV, ADWD
So, if we go by the tradition set in Bran I, AGOT; Jon should end up getting his own version — a rightful version — of what he wanted. Then it would come into play also his parentage, at which point Jon would have a claim to the whole of Westeros and the North at his back, ralling after him.
In the end, if Jon ends up abdicating as he did before to Bran who is the northern true king as of now, and who might be named king of the whole realm because of his foreshadowed sacrifice of his own magic — which is what makes him feel able to be empowered again and not useless — this might mean that in reward Jon might did got Winterfell, the wife and the children. And who else shares in the same dream in the same way and is foreshadowed as much as Bran to become queen, but Queen in the North? Sansa Stark.
The similarities with Horus do not end there.
Horus has the head of a falcon, and one of the translations of his name means “He who is distant”, “he who is/climbs above”; Horus was also associated with the sky and his eyes begun to be considered as the sun and the moon — Brandon's sisters, the sisters he strives to find and defend, are associated with the moon and the sun and their foreshadowed protector, Brienne, bears on her sigil the sun and the moon; the same Brienne the show has at the end as Lady Commander of the Kingsguard — the eye he lost was given back to him, in the myth, by the God Toth (the God of knowledge and science and writing) but Horus refuses it and gifts it to his father, Osiris, instead to sustain his strength as king in the Afterlife, which makes me think of Bran giving independence to the North under Sansa, as the show suggested, thus banishing Jon (who would be a threat as Rhaegar's son) thus loosing part of what is supposed to be his (the 7K he would be named to) and giving Jon in the meantime everything he wanted.
Also, Horus took the form of falcon and Brandon is the winged wolf.
"You will never walk again, Bran," the pale lips promised, "but you will fly." — Bran II, ADWD
The moon was a crescent, thin and sharp as the blade of a knife. A pale sun rose and set and rose again. Red leaves whispered in the wind. Dark clouds filled the skies and turned to storms. Lightning flashed and thunder rumbled, and dead men with black hands and bright blue eyes shuffled round a cleft in the hillside but could not enter. Under the hill, the broken boy sat upon a weirwood throne, listening to whispers in the dark as ravens walked up and down his arms. "You will never walk again," the three-eyed crow had promised, "but you will fly." Sometimes the sound of song would drift up from someplace far below. The children of the forest, Old Nan would have called the singers, but those who sing the song of earth was their own name for themselves, in the True Tongue that no human man could speak. The ravens could speak it, though. Their small black eyes were full of secrets, and they would caw at him and peck his skin when they heard the songs. The moon was fat and full.  — Bran III, ADWD
Notice this chapter is followed by Jon VII (in which Jon is battling with himself and the fact that Jeyne posing as Arya is in Ramsay' clutches), the choice Jon will make in the end will cause his death (moving against Winterfell to save Arya).
The mention of the passing of time, the crescent moon becoming full and fat makes me wonder... under which moon was Jon assassinated?
If it follows the myth of Osiris whatever the moon he has been assassinated under (possibly a dark moon?), he should be resurrected under the full moon, or under another type of moon but remain ‘indisposed’ to return to himself once he find himself back with a Stark, since he will return possibly in his purest form — a defender of the Starks. So when he meets Sansa...I wonder if they'll meet or she'll awake him back under a full moon. But this is speculation.
It is foreshadowed Brandon will reject magic, the magic that gives him power, and his dark master to save the realm (and one of Horus epithets is also ‘savior of Egypt’) remaining nothing but Bran the Broken, which is more than enough to be chosen to become the new king; in the same way as Horus gave his now healed eye to Osiris to give him strength in his new life.
We know Bran will end to be king of the six kingdoms — as that is a major detail that will remain the same as per Martin own affirmations — just in the same way as Horus became king of Egypt.
By this interpretation the Starklings would serve different the tropes of different mythology figures of the same myth:
Osiris — Jon
Isis — Sansa
Arya — Nephthys
Bran — Horus
Could Rickon be used by Stannis against Jon and maybe even Sansa? And thus fulfill, if unwillingly, the part of Seth? I dislike this very much tbh, but it's a possibility that could happen (Stannis trying to unthrone Jon and his authority as Ned Stark only alive son, after he learns Robb has named him heir, by using Rickon whose Davos has been sent to retrieve); after all in some of the myths Isis fights with Horus because she asks that Seth is spared (as he is her brother still) and it comes to the point that Horus even beheads her, to then heal her and reconcile with her.
Though I am more confident of the brothers of the NW serving as a Seth stand in.
So...this turned to be not only Jonsa, but about Arya and Bran as well. Hope you enjoyed the read, let me know what you think of it, and, as always if anyone knows better, has a different opinion etcetera feel welcome to leave your input!
You can find my other mythology metas here:
Cersei vs Daenerys — Venus decoded
Sansa and the mythological figures she embodies (Persephone/Kore, Isis, Medusa, Gunnlöd, Psyche) — the Myth of Sansa Stark
Jonsa mythology — Jonsa foreshadowing, part VIII: Love and Psyche
[Also, as an afterthought, should I expand on the Sansa/Octavian Augustus parallels I realized at the end of the meta about the similarities between Daenerys' story and Cleopatra's? (x)]
As always wish you a very nice day!
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The mythology series [Jonsa] ~ Isis and Osiris, the ‘ghost’ king and his resilient wife
Ciao my Jonsa folks! (and those lurking, or just curious!), here I am with another instalment of the mythology series pertaining possible parallels between myths and the couple formed by Jon and Sansa in the world of asoiaf.
As always, the premises still stand — no I am not an expert, yes it's all for fun and because of my curiosity, and yes if you are an expert and know better I'll appreciate your input — and for this cycle this time we go to Egypt and to one of my favourite mythological parallels of the Jonsa ship.
Put your seatbelt on, it's going to be a ride! (again)
Isis and Osiris, the dutiful, resilient wife and the ‘ghost’ king — a ghost wolf, as big as mountains (Egyptian mythology vs. GRRM Asoiaf)
All around was empty air and sky, the ground falling away sharply to either side. There was ice underfoot, and broken stones just waiting to turn an ankle, and the wind was howling fiercely. It sounds like a wolf, thought Sansa. A ghost wolf, big as mountains. And then they were on the other side (...) — Alayne II, AFFC
Jon fell to his knees. (...) "Ghost," (...) When the third dagger took him between the shoulder blades, he gave a grunt and fell face-first into the snow. He never felt the fourth knife. Only the cold … — Jon XIII, ADWD
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As always, I cannot stress enough, these pieces of art are not mine, nor do I claim them as such, they are amazing pieces shared online and they belong to their creators, my only merit, if it is even that, is having collected them to make this series of metas more aesthetically pleasing!
So, let's hop onto the story of Osiris and Isis.
As with most myths the story itself varies locally, and marginally during the ages in which it has been transcripts but some details remain the same; for example we should differ the roman-greek transcription of this myth as it is influenced by details that are not egyptian in truth, while a full record of the entire myth by egyptian hand has gone lost, we have myriads of stories, funerary spells, etcetera that depict variants of this same myth, or add details necessary for the purpose of the text in which is featured the story. This makes the myth of Osiris and Isis one of the most detailed and cohesive of egyptian myths that arrived to us.
The myth touches a series of problematics that could be (read: are) featured in asoiaf as well, and primarily not only the matter of resurrection [some time I'll really, really have to wrap up my series of metas about resurrected characters in asoiaf] but also that of succession (who should succeed the previous king? His brother or his son?). And I think we can all see how this features perfectly in asoiaf with the character of Jon as Osiris (as what we have now — up until the moment Jon gets killed by his sworn brothers Aegon could've been a candidate as well, but since Jon has been betrayed by his sworn brothers and killed and we know he will be resurrected...well he remains the sole candidate for this role).
So...let's see why Osiris and Jon fit almost like a glove.
Osiris, the wise and just king and Jon the “king hidden under the snow”
Name yourself in your heart and know who you are. — Awakening Osiris, N. Ellis, A new translation of the Egyptian Book of the Dead
“(...) kings are a rare sight in the North” Robert snorted “More likely they were hiding under the snow! Snow, Ned!” — Eddard I, AGOT, GRRM Tyrion Lannister had claimed that most men would rather deny a hard truth than face it, but Jon was done with denials. He was who he was; Jon Snow, bastard and oathbreaker, motherless, friendless, and damned. For the rest of his life—however long that might be—he would be condemned to be an outsider, the silent man standing in the shadows who dares not speak his true name. — Jon IX, AGOT, GRRM
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So, Osiris was a foreign king who came to Egypt bringing with himself a new set of law and skills that he taught the egyptians who loved him and respected him.
So far so good: Jon is born from a foreign dynasty (the Targaryens) and the Starks who are a beloved dynasty in the North, he is loved by his sworn brothers to the point they name him, at seventeen, Lord Commander of the Nights Watch. He, himself teaches some of his brothers how to fight.
Osiris was beloved because he was just, smart and honorable. Jon is beloved for those same things — he has done some fucked up shit, like forcing Gilly to swap the babies — but as those characteristics breed love and loyalty, they also breed disloyalty and envy.
Osiris' own brother, Seth, betrayed him — made him a casket precisely build with his measurements — and then tricked him into entering it, closing the lid and ensuring he died before setting the corpse and casket into the Nile's currents.
Another check: Jon's own sworn brothers (the brothers he chose over Robb, though he chose fakeArya over them) betray him — convince him to join them outside with tales of his own uncle news, fashioned exactly to appeal perfectly to Jon's nature and love for his family, just like the casket was fashioned precisely with Osiris measurements — and kill him leaving him to bleed out in coldness.
Osiris later gets resurrected even if his own body pieces are scattered around all of Egypt, he is sewn back together by his sister-wife, and returned to life under the full moon (which, coincidentally is pretty much linked forever with wolves and werewolves, men turning into wolves in that very night and the Starks' sigil is the direwolf and all of them are wargs, why Sansa is said to have changed into a wolf with bat-like wings and flown away) and has to walk in the kingdom of the dead of which he is now the king.
Anyone thinking of Sansa sewing a cloak exactly like Ned Stark's and gifting it to Jon thus claiming him as a Stark and sewing back his identity as a northerner after all he wanted to do once reawaken was to hide away? No? Only I?
Jon, we know, will get resurrected by Melisandre and imo (but yes, you'll have to wait until I finally post my series of metas about resurrection in asoiaf) that means Jon will return but not all of him will return, only his most pure, primordial nature will return with him.
A wolf protecting his pack, which was the identity he chose (Arya over the NW) when he died... and who is en route to him? Sansa, as the show has suggested they'll be the first two Starks to reunite.
Also, is entirely possible Sansa calling his name or singing (as one of his fonder memories of Sansa is her singing softly to herself as she brushes her direwolf's fur) will bring him back to himself more, transforming him from a dead-man walking, to a living person again.
In the show it's Sansa who gives Jon purpose after he chooses to leave the NW and the whole of Westeros to its fate. She's the one who makes him fight again and the hidden (or not so hidden) motive for all of his actions in the last seasons.
Isis the bird of prey Queen mother of Egypt and Sansa Stark the “little bird”
To pronounce the name of the dead, is to make them live again. — The Blind assassin, M. Atwood
She had not thought of Jon in ages. He was only her half brother, but still...with Robb and Bran and Rickon dead, Jon Snow was the only brother that remained to her. I am a bastard too now, just like him. Oh, it would be so sweet, to see him once again. (...) There was ice underfoot, and broken stones just waiting to turn an ankle, and the wind was howling fiercely. It sounds like a wolf, thought Sansa. A ghost wolf, big as mountains. — Alayne II, AFFC, GRRM   He thought of Robb, with snowflakes melting in his hair. Kill the boy and let the man be born. He thought of Bran, clambering up a tower wall, agile as a monkey. Of Rickon's breathless laughter. Of Sansa, brushing out Lady's coat and singing to herself. You know nothing, Jon Snow. He thought of Arya, her hair as tangled as a bird's nest. — Jon XIII, ADWD, GRRM
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Isis is a figure that assumed more and more importance and influence as the centuries passed as, in the first centuries of egyptian culture she was mostly unknown and obscure, though the priests of the temple of Re, consacred to the god of the Sun developed her myth and she turned out to be the matriarch of the egyptian pantheon and one of its primal figureheads.
She was the sister-wife of Osiris and sister of Seth and Nephthys.
She is highly linked with queenship and kingship to the point the hieroglyph associated with her is also the same that spells the word ‘throne’ — “The girl's happiness is not my purpose, nor should it be yours. Our alliances in the south may be as solid as Casterly Rock, but there remains the north to win, and the key to the north is Sansa Stark.” Tyrion III, ASOS — she's often depicted with a crown with the solar disk and/or the horns of a cow (a symbol of motherhood and fertility), she could depicted as a series of animals scorpions, sow or cows but especially a bird.
Sansa, while being the first of Ned's children to be called ‘wolf-girl’ (Sansa I, AGOT) is called by Cersei ‘little dove’ and by the Hound ‘little bird’ (both are denigratory) and the bird imaginary doesn't stop there, in fact after she escapes KL, the people around the known world (story of it reaches even Braavos!) say she killed the king with a spell and then turned into a wolf with the wings of a bat and flew away from the Red Keep.
Also, Arya when she learns of this rumor comments on how Sansa knows only song, and songs in Egypt like in any other ancient culture, were highly connected to magic and religion.
What did Isis bring with herself when she followed her husband to Egypt? She was known to support her husband wholeheartedly (“Jon is our king” and bookSansa supporting Robert as lord of the Eyrie, helping her cousin through the snow and peril as she feels Jon and Ghost) she taught women to sew (what is Sansa shown doing in the very first appearance? Stitching the same way she'll stitch back the northern independence cause), brew beer and bake (all feminine traits) and she could change into a bird. She's also heavily connected to motherhood and the fact that she hides her son until he is of age to take back the throne not in her own name but in her son's name — "Balon Greyjoy thinks in terms of plunder, not rule. Let him enjoy an autumn crown and suffer a northern winter. He will give his subjects no cause to love him. Come spring, the northmen will have had a bellyful of krakens. When you bring Eddard Stark's grandson home to claim his birthright, lords and little folk alike will rise as one to place him on the high seat of his ancestors. You are capable of getting a woman with child, I hope?" Tyrion III, ASOS — She was the perfect queen for egyptians, content to stay in the shadows of power, letting the men take the limelight but capable of using her wit and female diplomacy skills to guard both husband and son should the need arise. The same way Sansa is using her wit and her diplomacy skills to make sure Robert is loved by the knights of the Vale as @elegantwoes has analyzed in her post about the various purposes her arc in the Vale has (and her parallels with Cat in that aspects), especially with the Winged Knights, pertaining the way nobility sees her and her role, x.
[On a footnote, I think it's highly important the way Jon connects some of the things that have been said to him to his siblings when he thinks of them. For example he thinks of them in the order of succession so Robb, Bran and Rickon as the three trueborn sons of Ned Stark first and then he thinks of the girls, Sansa and then Arya. He nestles things that had been said to him and will have a very important impact on his life after his death between important siblings. He says this: «He thought of Robb, with melting snowflakes into his hair. Kill the boy and let the man be born. He thought of Bran, clambering up a tower wall, agile as a monkey. Of Rickon's breathless laughter. Of Sansa, brushing out Lady's coat and singing softly to herself. You know nothing, Jon Snow. He thought of Arya, her hair as tangled as a bird nest. I made him a warm cloak from the skin of the six whores who came with him to Winterfell. I want my bride back...» this is, imo, a passing of the baton, between the one he'd think of first, and who will get it last. Robb was supposed to get Winterfell over him (who too wanted Winterfell and be its lord) and became KitN but it was not meant to last, and the baton is passed to Bran who he remembers doing what he does best, climbing up the towers agiler than any of them (metaphorically surpassing obstacles they'd never even approach) and what does he associates with kingship and lordship over Winterfell? Maester Aemon: “kill the boy and let the man be born” which could intertwine nicely with him discovering Robb's will and him choosing still to pass Winterfell over the Sansa (“Winterfell belongs to my sister, Sansa” and showJon giving Sansa ladyship over Winterfell through the lord's chambers “You're the lady of Winterfell” which she remains even after he's named king). Then we have Rickon (I don't want to address his breathless laughter, because no, Jon, you might have foreseen your own death but I'm refusing to believe you're foreshadowing Rickon's death. No. I am in denial over it, sue me) and in a full circle we have the girls. Jon has always favored Arya over all of his other siblings and in fact he dies thinking of Arya who he has chosen over the NW neutrality, he considers her, as his sister “his heart” the point is that between thinking of Sansa and Arya, Jon interposes Ygritte. Ygritte who resembles Arya but with whom Jon falls in love because of her similarities with Sansa, her red hair, her singing and her easy smile what is Sansa doing in his memory? (I've spoken of how Ygritte is only a vessel for Sansa in Jon's arc, go check it out if you are interested, x and x and the parallels with courteous love here) Singing softly to herself brushing Lady's coat.
While, instead for Arya he remembers her with her hair all tangled up like a bird nest (I discussed a bit how Jon and Sansa want the same thing which differ from what Arya wants and where her journey is headed, x) so if above between Robb and Bran the baton is passed from the oldest to the younger, here the journey is the opposite, with the baton being passed from the younger (Arya) to the older (Sansa). Jon has been thinking more of Arya than Sansa, thought some would think it was a coping mechanism not too think too much of the sister he had some strange sort of attraction to... I mean Sansa does embody everything Jon wishes of in a partner, but I am digressing; anyway he's thinking and being spurned into action thinking of Arya yet he interposes Ygritte between them and in a full circle as between Robb with melting snowflakes in his hair and Bran doing what Bran does best, approaching and surpassing obstacles they would not approach, the same thing happens between Arya and Sansa, he thinks of Arya with her hair all tangled and of Sansa doing what Sansa does best taking care of others (Lady — as the Lady) while singing like a maid from a song. We see the pattern, do we not? Then, after Arya he thinks of what spurned him in action, word of what had happened to Mance and the death of the spear wives and Ramsay wanting ‘Arya/his bride’ back).
Is Jon supposed to end up saving a ‘bride’ from her ‘husband’ beyond what he did for Alys Karstark? I did say that Ghost fighting the black dog during Jon I, AGOT might foreshadow Jon defending Sansa from the Hound but we have also another possible contender, a contender GRRM had meant for a triangle with Jon Snow from his first draft: 🥁 Tyrion Lannister, Sansa's husband 🥁]
Nephthys the Goddess of decay and death and Arya Stark acolyte of the Faceless Men
I believe life is an education meant to teach us the need to be better people. — R. E. Goodrich
A bruise is a lesson, she told herself, and each lesson makes us better. Syrio stepped back “You're dead now” — Arya IV, AGOT, GRRM
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Nephthys was the goddess of death, decay and birth and she was the youngest daughter of Geb and Nut (parents of Osiris and Isis as well as of Seth) and she was also the goddess of the rivers (and a good portion of Arya voyage after she leaves KL, is in the Riverlands where she starts to understand the way common folk are condemned and destroyed by the plays and games of the nobles). She is considered the mother of Anubis which is either conceived, in some myths, with her husband Seth or after an adulterine intercourse with Osiris, whom she deceived by wearing her sister and his wife's face, looking like Isis!
And who is an acolyte of the Faceless Men in Braavos as of now?, wearing another skin and face?
«I can become someone else, speak in their voice, live in their skin. I can even become you. (...) all I need to find out is your face» — Arya Stark to Sansa Stark in s7e6, GoT.
In another myth, instead, Osiris rapes her and that would be the source of animosity between Seth and Osiris.
While in the beginning her egyptian name — Nebhtet — has been translated as “Mistress of the House” wrongly assuming her as a goddess of the homely hearth (and this reminds me of Arya baking in the books and baking the death-pie in the series), the most probable and correct translation would be instead “Mistress of the Temple” which refers to her sacerdotal duties (which reminds me of Arya's own ambitions and her role as an acolyte of the Faceless Men in Braavos)
Arya cocked her head to one side. "Can I be a king's councillor and build castles and become the High Septon?" — Eddard V, AGOT
Nephthys was considered a very important member of the pantheon, on the same level as her sister; which again reminds me of the crypts trailer in which Sansa, Jon and Arya are all on the same place of honor, all three of them with statues of their own.
Also...Ned says this to Arya, a little bit before he is executed:
“Sansa is your sister. You may be as different as the sun and the moon, but the same blood flows through both your hearts. You need her, as she needs you … and I need both of you, gods help me” — Arya II, AGOT
And one of the funeral inscriptions of the V dynasty recites in the pyramids:
Rise and fall. Descend with Nephthys, and sink in the darkness with the Boat of the Night. Rise and fall. Rise with Isis, arise with the Boat of the Day.
She was considered important and unsettling, but not for that less beloved and she was the protectress of the act of dying as she gave strength to the dying to pass onto the next life. The demons of the afterlife trembled before Isis and Nephthys both, and often the goddesses were associated and considered as a unit, working together — the same way Sansa and Arya will work together, the harpist and the water dancer holding the hidden dagger.
By some recent studies it appears that Nephthys is considered as Seth's wife, but not the Seth antagonistic of the myth of Osiris' death, but the benign version of the western oasis in which he is co-regnant with his wife.
Nephthys does hold an important role in the myth of Osiris resurrection as she is the one helping her sister — and crying along her — to get back all the dismembered pieces of Osiris and also helps the sister to raise Horus, working as a unit.
Legality of ascension to the throne, Osiris is killed, Horus rises, part I
Osiris is killed, as we've seen, by his own brother, Seth, grown envious of him. At first Seth simply fashions a casket with Osiris measurements and then closes the lid assuring himself Osiris dies and sends his body down the Nile. When he discovers Isis has found the body he dismembers it and scatters all pieces around all of Egypt thus claiming the throne as Osiris' heir. In the meantime Isis helped by Nephthys has found all pieces of Osiris' body — save for his manhood — and has resurrected him on the night of the full moon. Once resurrected though, Osiris can no longer be king of Egypt as he is dead, and claims his throne as king of the Afterlife. But, before doing so, he sires a true born son from his wife, Isis, Horus — a god with the head of a falcon — whom Isis goes into hiding with as Seth governs Egypt.
When Horus is old enough to reclaim the throne he battles his own uncle, Seth, for the throne and to avenge Osiris' murder; ending up victorious and becoming king of Egypt; but during the fight his left eyes is poked out — I've lost count of the metas about how Jon will possibly lose an eye and end up having a scarred face after all is said and done — and magically comes alive.
Though Horus won the throne, there was still the matter of whom legally owed the throne. Seth affirmed the throne belonged to him as Osiris' brother and Horus' uncle; while Horus affirmed the throne was rightfully his as Osiris' son and heir. Ultimately it was decided that the throne belonged to Horus thus the line to the throne did not move horizontally between brothers, but vertically between sire and heir.
C'mon, anyone who has read asoaif know this (⬆️) is one of the subjects that has been confronted by the books.
[A note, we're talking only of trueborn children, as the baseborn or bastardborn ones are not considered in the line of succession if not after all true born heirs, vertically or horizontally have died]
Robert was the undisputed king of the Iron throne (legally) at the beginning of AGOT as he has won the realm through conquest and has been offered the crown; when he dies he thinks Joffrey, as his son, will inherit the throne but Joffrey is a bastard, thus Robert does not have trueborn heirs at which point his heir is Stannis, his brother, because Robert died without trueborn children.
Stannis thus reclaims the Iron throne, just as Joffrey does, and he names Shireen, his only child, as his heir going as far, for now, as to have his people swear to put Shireen on the Iron throne if he dies before he takes it.
BUT, Renly, Robert and Stannis' youngest brother, reclaims the throne as well, wrongfully, as he is the youngest (thus he cannot come before Stannis and Shireen, as the line of succession moves horizontally only after vertically it has extinguished).
At the same time in the east Viserys, as Aerys only surviving son, reclaims the Iron throne as his as he is Aerys' heir. When Viserys dies childless the Targaryen line moves horizontally to his sister, Daenerys and to the children she would bear (which would've put Rhaego forward on the line to the throne even before the mother as Viserys' nephew, as the line to the Iron throne passes women over in favor of the males).
In the meantime, in hiding, Aegon reclaims the Iron throne as a claimant because he is the heir of Rhaegar the crown prince to the Iron throne and if his identity is confirmed it puts him before both Viserys and Daenerys in line for the Iron throne, as that would mean that he and any heir he might sire would have to die before the line of succession move horizontally toward Viserys and then Daenerys.
In the same way, Jon as Rhaegar's son — a man raised in Westeros by the most honorable man of the 7K and a man who has protected the Realm from the wights threat — may come before Daenerys in case of Aegon's death, in four cases:
if he's trueborn —› thus after Aegon, who is older, and his possible children; Jon would be the next in line as things stand in the Targaryen line.
if he's legitimized and named by Aegon in an attempt to remove Daenerys from the line —› in the same way as Robb put Jon's claim to Winterfell and the North above Sansa and Arya's by legitimizing Jon as a Stark; thus Jon still does not come before either Bran or Rickon, but he can come before the girls.
if he's offered the throne and declared by the lords over Daenerys despite his bastardy —› the lords of Westeros would sooner accepted a man they do not consider a foreign, who appeases both to the Targaryen loyalists by being Rhaegar's son and the lords who stood against the Targaryens by having the support of Ned Stark's children (for one of whom he has been killed) and having being raised by Ned Stark in Westeros; while Daenerys is a barren woman (which holds a very big influence in the political game of Westeros) who was raised in exile and comes like an invader with dothraki and unsullied and dragons and whose ‘destiny’ is to give her enemies ‘fire and blood’.
Even by being baseborn, with Daenerys being barren he is the only Targaryen/bastard Targaryen who can continue the line, or if he has already sired a true born son to his name.
Similarly in the North Bran, as he is alive, is the rightful king in the North after Robb, as Robb died childless. After him comes Rickon if he abdicates or dies childless, and after Rickon (same as before) comes Sansa as the oldest female of the line and any child she might bear (especially if male) and if she dies childless or abdicates then comes Arya as the youngest daughter. Only in case Arya dies childless or abdicates it's Jon turns as the son of Lyanna Stark thus as a cousin, but he would need to marry either a Stark or another kin (a Karstark — Alys Karstark is already married — for example) to legitimize his right to Winterfell.
This is talking legally speaking. Realistically speaking the one that became king was the one who won through conquest and was recognized as such by the lords and ladies of the kingdom (this is the way Robert became the rightful king of the Iron throne, making of the Targaryens nothing but claimants).
I think that Jon could actually embody — just like Sansa with LF and the Lady Stark-Bael-lord Stark retelling (x)— both Osiris, the dead and resurrected king, and Horus the prince hidden by his mother (by his mother's side — he was hidden and protected by Ned, Lyanna's brother) coming to reclaim his throne from the ambitious and cunning uncle (aunt). Which is why it wouldn't surprise me if he ended up fighting Daenerys (to defend his family, the Starks and Aegon — because, what kind of man watches his brother burn and does nothing?) and then abdicate (like Osiris did) to favor Bran or to accept the lords naming Bran in his place as he might end up banished from the South and in the North, or if he chooses the name Stark over Targaryen thus coming automatically and legally after Bran.
BUT,
The not so small detail of Jon being resurrected from death associates him primordially and almost inseparably with Osiris more than any other character, and Sansa by embodying Isis' characteristics (as I've explained before) might end up being his wife or as I've said many times the untold reason for everything he does even if the romance between them remains always in hiding instead of in the light, told to us only through their thoughts; and wouldn't it be typical of Jon to abdicate because “I died, I was passed over” to one of his siblings?
Also, there is the matter of both Bran and Rickon being alive and in hiding, one of whom is being collected by Davos, means the will making of Jon king in the North will be neutralized by the true born heirs being still alive and Horus could be Bran —
The Rise of Brandon of House Stark, Osiris is killed, Horus rises, part II
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Guess you weren't expecting that!, or perhaps you were.
Horus, in the myth, is a disabled God (he loses his eye during the battle against Seth) but his disability has also empowered him magically (his eye has become a magic symbol of healing). Brandon is the prince to Winterfell, after Robb's death he's the rightful king in the North by law, and he calls himself Bran the Broken, because he is disabled as he has lost the use of his legs and yet in his disability he has found power, as being forced to not be able to move of his own volition has sped forth his training in learning how to harness the natural ability he has, as a Stark, to warg and green-seeing.
Horus is Osiris' son and the prince of Egypt who has been usurped by his uncle. In the same way, if Jon accepts the will Robb made, which makes of him a Stark and the new king in the North he is unwittingly usurping Brandon's — his cousin's — claim to the North. Though this remains to be seen, as Jon has more than once ‘abdicated’ in a way i favor of Sansa, who is a female and legally doesn't carry the Stark name anymore (though the marriage with Tyrion was a sham, Jon has no way to know this, and the argument that Sansa is now lady Lannister is used countlessly to convince him to take Winterfell); it's difficult to imagine he won't do the same for Brandon who legally comes before him anyway; in the same way as Jon has refused Winterfell and defended Sansa's claim to it as Bran and Rickon's heir, Osiris abdicated his own right to the throne of Egypt to put forward his own son, Horus as claimant and heir; possibly Jon will use the same excuse — having being killed, having been dead and thus passed over — to abdicate in favor of Brandon thus in a way getting everything he had wanted to begin with.
In fact the theme of Jon abdicating in favor of his true born siblings his desires is the foremost theme in Jon's arc since the very first chapter of AGOT.
In Bran I, AGOT Jon advocates for the Starklings to keep the direwolf pups even when everyone wants to kill 'em, and the count only comes correct because he counts himself out.
Bran saw his father's face change, saw the other men exchange glances. He loved Jon with all his heart at that moment. Even at seven, Bran understood what his brother had done. The count had come right only because Jon had omitted himself. He had included the girls, included even Rickon, the baby, but not the bastard who bore the surname Snow, the name that custom decreed be given to all those in the north unlucky enough to be born with no name of their own. Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly. "The direwolf graces the banners of House Stark," Jon pointed out. "I am no Stark, Father." — Bran I, AGOT
The result?, Jon gets a pup of his own, Ghost, an albino who carries the colors of the Heart Tree (the white and the red), a gift from the Old Gods to reward Jon's selfless act.
Later, Stannis offers to free Jon of his vows to the NW and make of him a Stark and the rightful lord of Winterfell. To Jon's knowledge he is the last male Stark of the line, as Robb is confirmed dead and Rickon and Bran are believed dead. Arya is presumed dead as well and only Sansa remains of the true born children of Ned Stark, with a new name that speaks of an allegiance that would make the lords of the North grimace. She's Lady Lannister.
Yet, Jon defends Sansa's claim to Winterfell above his own.
I would need to steal her if I wanted her love, but she might give me children. I might someday hold a son of my own blood in my arms. A son was something Jon Snow had never dared dream of, since he decided to live his life on the Wall. I could name him Robb. Val would want to keep her sister's son, but we could foster him at Winterfell, and Gilly's boy as well. Sam would never need to tell his lie. We'd find a place for Gilly too, and Sam could come visit her once a year or so. Mance's son and Craster's would grow up brothers, as I once did with Robb. He wanted it, Jon knew then. He wanted it as much as he had ever wanted anything. I have always wanted it, he thought, guiltily. May the gods forgive me. It was a hunger inside him, sharp as a dragonglass blade. A hunger . . . he could feel it. It was food he needed, prey, a red deer that stank of fear or a great elk proud and defiant. He needed to kill and fill his belly with fresh meat and hot dark blood. His mouth began to water with the thought. — Jon XII, ASOS
You can't be the Lord of Winterfell, you're bastard-born, he heard Robb say again. And the stone kings were growling at him with granite tongues. You do not belong here. This is not your place. When Jon closed his eyes he saw the heart tree, with its pale limbs, red leaves, and solemn face. The weirwood was the heart of Winterfell, Lord Eddard always said . . . but to save the castle Jon would have to tear that heart up by its ancient roots, and feed it to the red woman's hungry fire god. I have no right, he thought. Winterfell belongs to the old gods. — Jon XII, ASOS
"How can I lose men I do not have? I had hoped to bestow Winterfell on a northman, you may recall. A son of Eddard Stark. He threw my offer in my face." Stannis Baratheon with a grievance was like a mastiff with a bone; he gnawed it down to splinters. "By right Winterfell should go to my sister Sansa." "Lady Lannister, you mean? Are you so eager to see the Imp perched on your father's seat? I promise you, that will not happen whilst I live, Lord Snow." — Jon I, ADWD
“(...)Which would you have as Lord of Winterfell, Snow? The smiler or the slayer?" Jon said, "Winterfell belongs to my sister Sansa." "I have heard all I need to hear of Lady Lannister and her claim." — Jon IV, ADWD
So, if we go by the tradition set in Bran I, AGOT; Jon should end up getting his own version — a rightful version — of what he wanted. Then it would come into play also his parentage, at which point Jon would have a claim to the whole of Westeros and the North at his back, ralling after him.
In the end, if Jon ends up abdicating as he did before to Bran who is the northern true king as of now, and who might be named king of the whole realm because of his foreshadowed sacrifice of his own magic — which is what makes him feel able to be empowered again and not useless — this might mean that in reward Jon might did got Winterfell, the wife and the children. And who else shares in the same dream in the same way and is foreshadowed as much as Bran to become queen, but Queen in the North? Sansa Stark.
The similarities with Horus do not end there.
Horus has the head of a falcon, and one of the translations of his name means “He who is distant”, “he who is/climbs above”; Horus was also associated with the sky and his eyes begun to be considered as the sun and the moon — Brandon's sisters, the sisters he strives to find and defend, are associated with the moon and the sun and their foreshadowed protector, Brienne, bears on her sigil the sun and the moon; the same Brienne the show has at the end as Lady Commander of the Kingsguard — the eye he lost was given back to him, in the myth, by the God Toth (the God of knowledge and science and writing) but Horus refuses it and gifts it to his father, Osiris, instead to sustain his strength as king in the Afterlife, which makes me think of Bran giving independence to the North under Sansa, as the show suggested, thus banishing Jon (who would be a threat as Rhaegar's son) thus loosing part of what is supposed to be his (the 7K he would be named to) and giving Jon in the meantime everything he wanted.
Also, Horus took the form of falcon and Brandon is the winged wolf.
"You will never walk again, Bran," the pale lips promised, "but you will fly." — Bran II, ADWD
The moon was a crescent, thin and sharp as the blade of a knife. A pale sun rose and set and rose again. Red leaves whispered in the wind. Dark clouds filled the skies and turned to storms. Lightning flashed and thunder rumbled, and dead men with black hands and bright blue eyes shuffled round a cleft in the hillside but could not enter. Under the hill, the broken boy sat upon a weirwood throne, listening to whispers in the dark as ravens walked up and down his arms. "You will never walk again," the three-eyed crow had promised, "but you will fly." Sometimes the sound of song would drift up from someplace far below. The children of the forest, Old Nan would have called the singers, but those who sing the song of earth was their own name for themselves, in the True Tongue that no human man could speak. The ravens could speak it, though. Their small black eyes were full of secrets, and they would caw at him and peck his skin when they heard the songs. The moon was fat and full.  — Bran III, ADWD
Notice this chapter is followed by Jon VII (in which Jon is battling with himself and the fact that Jeyne posing as Arya is in Ramsay' clutches), the choice Jon will make in the end will cause his death (moving against Winterfell to save Arya).
The mention of the passing of time, the crescent moon becoming full and fat makes me wonder... under which moon was Jon assassinated?
If it follows the myth of Osiris whatever the moon he has been assassinated under (possibly a dark moon?), he should be resurrected under the full moon, or under another type of moon but remain ‘indisposed’ to return to himself once he find himself back with a Stark, since he will return possibly in his purest form — a defender of the Starks. So when he meets Sansa...I wonder if they'll meet or she'll awake him back under a full moon. But this is speculation.
It is foreshadowed Brandon will reject magic, the magic that gives him power, and his dark master to save the realm (and one of Horus epithets is also ‘savior of Egypt’) remaining nothing but Bran the Broken, which is more than enough to be chosen to become the new king; in the same way as Horus gave his now healed eye to Osiris to give him strength in his new life.
We know Bran will end to be king of the six kingdoms — as that is a major detail that will remain the same as per Martin own affirmations — just in the same way as Horus became king of Egypt.
By this interpretation the Starklings would serve different the tropes of different mythology figures of the same myth:
Osiris — Jon
Isis — Sansa
Arya — Nephthys
Bran — Horus
Could Rickon be used by Stannis against Jon and maybe even Sansa? And thus fulfill, if unwillingly, the part of Seth? I dislike this very much tbh, but it's a possibility that could happen (Stannis trying to unthrone Jon and his authority as Ned Stark only alive son, after he learns Robb has named him heir, by using Rickon whose Davos has been sent to retrieve); after all in some of the myths Isis fights with Horus because she asks that Seth is spared (as he is her brother still) and it comes to the point that Horus even beheads her, to then heal her and reconcile with her.
Though I am more confident of the brothers of the NW serving as a Seth stand in.
So...this turned to be not only Jonsa, but about Arya and Bran as well. Hope you enjoyed the read, let me know what you think of it, and, as always if anyone knows better, has a different opinion etcetera feel welcome to leave your input!
You can find my other mythology metas here:
Cersei vs Daenerys — Venus decoded
Sansa and the mythological figures she embodies (Persephone/Kore, Isis, Medusa, Gunnlöd, Psyche) — the Myth of Sansa Stark
Jonsa mythology — Jonsa foreshadowing, part VIII: Love and Psyche
[Also, as an afterthought, should I expand on the Sansa/Octavian Augustus parallels I realized at the end of the meta about the similarities between Daenerys' story and Cleopatra's? (x)]
As always wish you a very nice day!
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the show finale script essentially confirms jonsa will happen in the books. in the house of undying in acok, d recieves a prophecy that she will know 3 treasons: once for blood, once for gold and once for love. the first two are obviously the maegi and jorah. the third is jon. but notice the treasons are *for* these things, as in to receive them. someone will commit a treason to her for the person they love (not out of love for her that does not make sense). with that in mind, the script makes it clear who commits that treason and who the person they love is that they commit it for. (my guess is d&d were told the plot from grrm but rushed it and left a lot out and were cowards to do more than hint at jonsa through out)
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The mythology series [Jonsa] ~ The story of Love and Psyche
So, after receiving a couple of lovely anons about some mythology parallels, my interest was piqued and my curiosity started to burn so I literally fell into the rabbit-hole of the possibility of mythology connecting to Jonsa and which characters can be connected to what myth...so yes, a new series of meta was born.
This is what happens when I am left unsupervised, just saying —
Anyway, one of the first metas I wanted to do was this one, connecting the history of Love and Psyche (which can be found inside the Golden Ass — Metamorphosis by Apuleius) and Jonsa especially considering my theory that while several women will fulfil part of Cersei prophecy, in the end Sansa will be the younger, more beautiful queen mainly because Cersei is an envious, spiteful creature and Sansa will end up, most probably, with everything Cersei wanted and no reason to hide (which will be, imo, what the ymbq prophecy is all about ‘to cast you down and take all you hold dear’).
So, without further ado, aside from the usual premises — no, I am not an expert, yes this is all for fun and yes, if you are an expert and know better please feel welcome to leave your input — let's hop onto this and let's see what we get out of it!
The History of Love and Psyche — the prophecy of the younger, more beautiful queen (Apuleius Metamorphosis vs GRRM Asoiaf)
The princess and the hidden winged god — The princess and the hidden dragon ‘prince’.
“Sweet one,” her father said gently, “listen to me. When you're old enough, I will make you a match with a high lord who's worthy of you, someone brave and gentle and strong. This match with Joffrey was a terrible mistake. That boy is no Prince Aemon, you must believe me.” — Sansa III, AGOT
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As always, I cannot stress enough that these pieces of art do not belong to me, so credit to the artists. I just collect them on the net and put them together to make the meta aesthetically appeasing to my tastes, hope you enjoy!
First of all, let's brush up our knowledge of the myth itself.
Love and Psyche (Apuleius, Metamorphosis — the golden ass) history of love and healing and trust
So, the story goes this way, Psyche was the daughter of a king, a princess, and she was so beautiful that she was compared to the goddess Venus, whose beauty she was believed not only to compare but to surpass as well (shrines were risen for her, and she was venerated as the Venus of the earth, no matter the girl modesty, who seemed to be against this), Venus, capricious and spiteful, furious for the comparison and the hubris, ordered her son, Cupid to make the beautiful Psyche fall in love with the ugliest, most hideous man on earth to whom she was to be married with all haste by her people. 
But Cupid, saw Psyche and distracted by her beauty accidentally pinched himself with his own arrow and fell in love with her, thus he instructed the wind (Zephirus) to take her to his enchanted palace of which she would be the mistress as his woman. 
Cupid, for her own safety, joined her only by night and prohibited her to see him — falsely posing as her ugly, monstrous husband — and while she had everything she desired, she still felt lonely as she was essentially alone but for the nights, and she couldn't even see her own husband's face. Cupid, so taken he was by his love for her, was moved by her pleas and let her invite her sisters to her palace for a visit, in fact before this meeting her whole family believed her dead because she had ‘disappeared’, so that she might feel less alone. 
The sisters convince Psyche to discover the truth behind the ‘kind husband’ she seemed to have, to see the truth of his ugliness with her own eyes and spurned by them, Psyche disobeyed Cupid's order and one night took a lantern and shed light to her sleeping husband's face, troubled by his ethereal beauty and in awe she let one drop of melted candle befall on his shoulder rousing him from his sleep. 
Betrayed and angered by her behaviour Cupid left her and flew away, to confess to his mother his indiscretion and betrayal of her order; Psyche, meanwhile, distraught searched for her husband left and right and ended up speaking to Venus herself. 
The woman took the chance immediately to extract her revenge and took the girl as her own servant and slave, mistreating her and imposing of her four terrible, apparently impossible quests. But Psyche beloved by her husband was helped by his servants — ants helped her in her first quest to sort through seeds; a reed counselled her to mow the wool in the night while the men-eater sheep slept and finally an eagle drew water from the Styx for her — at last Venus sent her to retrieve for her a ointment of beauty held by Proserpine. 
Convinced she was to fail she almost flung herself from a tower, but at last she managed to collect the ampoule but was warned not to open it. Her curiosity piqued Psyche opened the ampoule only to fall into an enchanted sleep.
Meanwhile Cupid, sad and missing his wife, went in search of her and found her, he woke her and to protect her from his mother he brought her to Mount Olympus where he convinced Zeus to let her drink the nectar of the gods, making of her a goddess and marrying her publicly before all the Gods. 
How does that fit the Jonsa ship?, well it does. 
I have already spoken of how Cersei fits part of the traits of Venus (x), and if we put in perspective Cersei as Venus (as well as Daenerys does the same with the eastern-values coded Venuses), Tyrion as the hideous man Psyche/Sansa was supposed to fall in love... well, it does start to resemble a pattern.
Let's make a check list to see if we got all the possibilities straight:
spiteful Venus-symbolised character —› Cersei Lannister ☑️
very beautiful, younger woman who is a ‘younger, more beautiful described as modest and polite, collected and courteous’ version of Venus-symbolised character —› Sansa Stark ☑️
said girl is also a princess —› Sansa Stark as princess in the North to her brother, Robb Stark, king in the North ☑️
the Venus-symbolised character decides to ‘punish’ the younger princess and does so by asking her son to have her fall in love and marry an hideous monster —› Joffrey Baratheon, Cersei's son, gives Sansa away in marriage to the Imp ☑️
The ‘son’ is distracted by the girl's beauty and ends up hitting himself with the love-arrow and falls in love with her, then steals her instead of letting her be married and fall in love with the hideous, monstrous man —› Jon and Sansa are both connected with the custom of “stealing” in respect to love, and with Jon being Rhaegar (Cersei' idolised crush) and Lyanna (her unbeatable rival) son could actually fit also the ‘son’ trope, especially Cupid is in some myths depicted as the son of Nyx (the dark-haired goddess of night) ☑️
he remains hidden from her, only sharing her bed during the night and she cannot know his true identity for her own safety from his ‘spurned’ parent —› Jon's real identity is unknown to Sansa, and it might remain for a bit even after Jon learns of it, for safety reasons (Robert's fury would've known no boundaries; and who knows how Daenerys, his aunt, might react to it in the books) as if Sansa doesn't know she cannot be held accountable for it ☑️ 
the princess discovers the truth out of her own curiosity —› Sansa will discover Jon's identity (probably out of her own manoeuvring to understand why Jon's acting strange) ☑️  
Cupid runs back to the ‘spurned’ parent and confesses his ‘treason’ in hope to obtain the trust and absolution of said parent —› Jon might use the rightly timed revelation of his parentage to obtain Daenerys' trust ☑️
The spurned parent (either Cersei or Daenerys — by what happened in the show I might be more inclined to say Daenerys, but by the books I'd be more inclined toward Cersei) asks of the girl (searching for her lost husband) a series of quests and sacrifices —› if we go by the show Daenerys does ask plenty of Sansa, her hospitality as well as her troops without a care of how they are physically, it wouldn't surprise me if either Daenerys or Cersei could try to use Sansa's marriage to Tyrion to close her in a corner and demand of her fealty; Cersei could also impose any kind of request on her, if they ever were to meet again with Cersei having the upper-hand because of the role she thinks Sansa played in the murder of Joffrey ☑️
the family of the girl believes her dead or unreachable —› Sansa Stark is supposed dead and disappeared after Joffrey's death ☑️ 
Psyche manages (with help she gets thanks to her being beloved by her husband's people and her husband) to bring to fruition the quests set before her (I will digress on them later). 
at last Cupid, in love with his wife, finds her when she's in peril, saves her (wakes her) and brings her to safety to go to Zeus (the father of the gods — Ned?, will he asks Ned's statue if what he's doing is correct? Possibly, surely Ned's memory is going to come in play if we ever get a more romantically involved Jonsa) — and his pleas are so endearing to him that he sanctions his favoured nephew's/grandson marriage (in some myths Eros is one of Zeus' cousins/nephews and in others he's his grandson; in any case Zeus is the father of the Gods and thus is the ‘head of Eros' House’ to say it in an asoiaf manner; the same way as Ned was).  
—› It's also possible that Jon might ask his aunt to facilitate his protection of Sansa against Cersei, but I sincerely doubt this other possibility. Also, Ned fits better as he is often representing the Father of the Seven Gods of the Faith of the Seven. —› Jon saves Sansa (and the rest of his siblings) from a threat that will have them all put to death (and death is eternal sleep) in the show, and in the books we have evidence that this will be repeated as Jon dies the ultimate Stark protector (as he is killed because he chooses to run to his sister, Arya's aide), he will probably serve a similar purpose even toward Sansa in the books once he has reawaken from death.
So, to me it looks like a pattern, does it to you?
Let's see if other quotes (both from book and show, but if they are taken from the show I'm taking earlier seasons since back then Martin was still pretty much involved so we can consider them canon) can further this conviction of mine.
A princess of maidenly majesty and a spurned goddess
So, in the myth Psyche is the daughter of a king, a princess, of the land of the west, so beautiful and maidenly majestic that there was no other beauty that could surmount her on earth (in their lands) and this spurned the people of the city to be devout to her and come to see her and love her, admiring her beauty and showering her in tokens going to the point they venerate her, to the point they stopped venerating Venus and started venerating her, though Psyche felt her beauty as a curse as she was alone (as no one seemed to love her for herself but love her divine beauty) still the fact that men had forgotten her and preferred another to her, had Venus in a rage. 
There was sometimes a certain king, inhabiting in the west parts, who had to wife a noble dame, (...) yet, the singular passing beauty and maidenly majesty of the youngest daughter, did so far surmount and excel them two, as no earthly creature could by any means sufficiently express or set out the same (...)
Now, that Sansa is the daughter of Ned Stark (descent and father to kings) and of lady Catelyn Tully (a noble lady of a great House) it's known thing, she's also a princess to her brother, Robb Stark and she fits this trope of maidenly majesty perfectly, also:
(...) Psyche will all of her beauty received no fruit of her honour. She was wondered at of all, praised of all, but she perceived that no king nor prince, no any of the inferior sort did repair to woo her (...) the virgin Psyche sitting at home alone, lamented her solitary life, and being disquieted both in mind and body, although she pleased all the world, yet hated she in herself her own beauty.
There are a couple of passages that remind me of these, but some of it comes from the show as well. We know that Martin was very much involved in the first few seasons of the series so I feel like by citing some of the scenes of the earlier seasons of the show we are also speaking of canon, as they were supervised and accepted by Martin. 
For one, the scene of Sansa at the docks with LF, with Shae and Ros speaking behind them, and Ros asking Shae to defend Sansa and protect her from her enemies, telling the other woman that she was born in Winter town and that the day Sansa was born they rang the bells from sunrise to sunset, which always suggested to me how beloved Sansa as Ned Stark's daughter was, on the principle of her being Ned's daughter, and because of her charming nature as well. We usually focus more on people of the north loving Arya but I think that is intention by GRRM because it's something both Arya and Sansa focus upon and it will come back in with a whiplash when Sansa reaches the North and finds that love and belonging she had been searching South, there where she had been before. 
For second the scene during the Battle of  the Black waters, when Cersei asks Sansa, in bookTyrion fashion, what she's doing and when Sansa replies she's praying, Cersei demands, nastily “You're perfect, don't you?”; which always struck me as strange, since in the books this conversation happens before the siege and it's between Tyrion and Sansa and there is none of the nastiness the show gave us, though I think, again that it was intentional to set up Sansa and Cersei as the younger and older queen. 
The thought made Sansa weary. All she knew of Robert Arryn was that he was a little boy, and sickly. It is not me she wants her son to marry, it is my claim. No one will ever marry me for love. — Sansa VI, ASOS
This quote makes me think of Psyche, sitting alone and lonely, and feeling unloved personally even if they love her ‘divine beauty’/‘claim’. 
—› also, Lysa herself can also fulfil part of the role of Venus, as she herself is envious and spiteful and jealous of Sansa because she feels like Sansa is stealing her husband; in the same way as Cersei was fearful that Sansa might be the younger, more beautiful queen of the prophecy. And she too tries to marry Sansa to someone that doesn't fit the premises of the promise Ned made Sansa (Robert Arryn).
Lysa was as lonely as she was (...) I am not going back to sleep, Sansa realized. My head is all a tumult.  — Sansa VII, ASOS
I guess this doesn't need explanation really, Sansa's head is in tumult like Psyche's. 
No prayers are answered here, she often thought, though some days she felt so lonely she had to try (...) The Eyrie was such a lonely place that she was eager for any bit of news from the world beyond, however trivial or insignificant. — Alayne II, AFFC
Also, Sansa has long since learned to see how people don't wish to know her but just exploit her claim and her position and the perception they have of her as a weak link, as when she thinks of Margaery's retinue and of how they are putting up a farce, but they don't actually wish to know her in truth. 
Sansa's wish for love, is also remarkably similar to Psyche wishing to be loved for herself and not for her divine beauty; also, I always associated Psyche hating her beauty with Sansa begrudging her own naïveté:
“The night’s first traitors,” the queen said, “but not the last, I fear. Have Ser Ilyn see to them, and put their heads on pikes outside the stables as a warning.” As they left, she turned to Sansa. “Another lesson you should learn, if you hope to sit beside my son. Be gentle on a night like this and you’ll have treasons popping up all about you like mushrooms after a hard rain. The only way to keep your people loyal is to make certain they fear you more than they do the enemy.” 
“I will remember, Your Grace,” said Sansa, though she had always heard that love was a surer route to the people’s loyalty than fear. If I am ever a queen, I’ll make them love me.
— Sansa VII, ACOK
They are children, Sansa thought. They are silly little girls, even Elinor. They've never seen a battle, they've never seen a man die, they know nothing. Their dreams were full of songs and stories, the way hers had been before Joffrey cut her father's head off. Sansa pitied them. Sansa envied them. — Sansa II, ASOS
“You have your mother's eyes. Honest eyes, and innocent.(...)” — Sansa I, AFFC
Cersei, in a first moment, believes Sansa's is the younger, more beautiful queen of the prophecy and I have already digress as to why I think Sansa in a sense will be it, because she will achieve everything Cersei wanted without the need to hide it, while the others might, instead fulfil other pieces of the prophecy (x), and I think it's so also because of this specific quote:
"Please," she finished, "you have to let me marry Joffrey, I'll be ever so good a wife to him, you'll see. I'll be a queen just like you, I promise."  — Sansa IV, AGOT
Can I take a moment to appreciate that to Sansa her first wish is that of love over that of power?, how are displayed her priorities as she begs Cersei?
being a ‘ever so good wife’ to Joffrey (love)
being a queen (good) just like Cersei (power and love)
Love comes first. No wonder Sansa will probably end up being truly the younger, more beautiful queen.
I feel like Cersei' reaction in the show at this heartfelt declaration gives us quite the introspective tumble in Cersei's mind:
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See how perturbed she is by it?, imo it is another nudge to Sansa ending up with everything Cersei wanted for herself, without having to hide. 
Anyway, back on track. 
The beautiful maiden condemned to be married and fall in love with an hideous, monstrous looking man 
In asoiaf is more complex than Venus simply condemning Psyche and her family for her hubris (though that comes in place as well, as it becomes a matter of how dare the Starks turn from loyal bannermen to the king, Joffrey, to rebelling kings?), in the end the result is the same, though. Cersei's son, Joffrey gives Sansa away as bride to his uncle, the Imp, who is rendered even more monstrous by the scar on his face.
"I won't ask for whom." His mouth twisted oddly; if that was a smile, it was the queerest she had ever seen. "This day may change all. For you as well as for House Lannister. I ought to have sent you off with Tommen, now that I think on it. Still, you should be safe enough in Maegor's, so long as—" — Sansa V, ACOK
"My lady," Tyrion said, "you are lovely, make no mistake, but... I cannot do this. My father be damned. We will wait. The turn of a moon, a year, a season, however long it takes. Until you have come to know me better, and perhaps to trust me a little." His smile might have been meant to be reassuring, but without a nose it only made him look more grotesque and sinister.
Look at him, Sansa told herself, look at your husband, at all of him, Septa Mordane said all men are beautiful, find his beauty, try. She stared at the stunted legs, the swollen brutish brow, the green eye and the black one, the raw stump of his nose and crooked pink scar, the coarse tangle of black and gold hair that passed for his beard. Even his manhood was ugly, thick and veined, with a bulbous purple head. This is not right, this is not fair, how have I sinned that the gods would do this to me, how? — Sansa III, ASOS
Sansa is married off to the Imp, while albeit gentle from time to time (and I've already discussed how this ‘kindness’ is basic human decency and even there he somewhat falls short in a previous ask that compared Jaime and Brienne bath scene and Tyrion and Sansa wedding night scene, x) is monstrous looking and has done monstrous things, Martin himself describes him as a villain. And, who marries her off to the Imp?, Cersei is there when Sansa prepares for her wedding to show her off and Joffrey, Cersei's son walks Sansa down the aisle, making sure Sansa is married off to Tyrion in the same way as Venus asked Cupid to have Psyche fall in love and marry an hideous and monstrous looking man.
When the moonstones hung from Sansa’s ears and about her neck, the queen nodded. “Yes. The gods have been kind to you, Sansa. You are a lovely girl. It seems almost obscene to squander such sweet innocence on that gargoyle.” “What gargoyle?” Sansa did not understand.
Can we take a moment to speak about this?, Cersei is spiteful that she herself is supposed to be marrying again and with someone she doesn't want — she even begs her lord father not to make her do it again, not that he cares — and takes her victories where she can. The use of the word ‘almost obscene’ makes us see the satisfaction in her, Sansa will never be the younger, more beautiful queen and Cersei can focus on keeping Margaery in her place without worrying about Sansa. And she even japes at her expanses.
—› What more the use of the term ‘gargoyle’, an hideous creature whose scary face is used to inspire fear used in respect to Tyrion hints toward two things: a) Tyrion being the monstrous man Sansa should marry and love if Cersei had her way (to keep her un-rebelling) and b) Tyrion ending up being the one who pushes Daenerys down the last step of the stair she is already descending (as there are gargoyles on the walls of Dragonstone, together with wyverns and dragons).
Cersei Lannister ignored the question. "The cloak," she commanded, and the women brought it out: a long cloak of white velvet heavy with pearls. A fierce direwolf was embroidered upon it in silver thread. Sansa looked at it with sudden dread. "Your father's colors," said Cersei, as they fastened it about her neck with a slender silver chain. A maiden's cloak. Sansa's hand went to her throat. She would have torn the thing away if she had dared. "You're prettier with your mouth closed, Sansa," Cersei told her. "Come along now, the septon is waiting. And the wedding guests as well."
And reality hits Sansa, until that moment she was unaware she was supposed to marry Tyrion, they ambushed her and Cersei was the one to tell her of her ‘condemnation’ to marry the Imp (just like Venus was the one who condemned Psyche)
“No,” Sansa blurted. “No.” “Yes. You are a ward of the crown. The king stands in your father’s place, since your brother is anattainted traitor. That means he has every right to dispose of your hand. You are to marry my brother Tyrion.” My claim, she thought, sickened. Dontos the Fool was not so foolish after all; he had seen the truth of it. Sansa backed away from the queen. “I won’t.” I’m to marry Willas, I’m to be the lady of Highgarden,please . . . “I understand your reluctance. Cry if you must. In your place, I would likely rip my hair out. He’s a loathsome little imp, no doubt of it, but marry him you shall.” “You can’t make me.” “Of course we can. You may come along quietly and say your vows as befits a lady, or you may struggle and scream and make a spectacle for the stableboys to titter over, but you will end up wedded and bedded all the same.” The queen opened the door. Ser Meryn Trant and Ser Osmund Kettleblack were waiting without, in the white scale armor of the Kingsguard. “Escort Lady Sansa to the sept,” she told them. “Carry her if you must, but try not to tear the gown, it was very costly.”
Doesn't this make you think of a sacrifice? The ‘sacrifice’ Psyche became to make sure Venus' ire was quenched? It does to me.
“I’ll go.” Cersei smiled. “I knew you would.”
(...)
Joffrey himself was waiting for her on the steps of the castle sept. The king was resplendent in crimson and gold, his crown on his head. "I'm your father today," he announced. "You're not," she flared. "You'll never be." His face darkened. "I am. I'm your father, and I can marry you to whoever I like. To anyone. You'll marry the pig boy if I say so, and bed down with him in the sty." His green eyes glittered with amusement. "Or maybe I should give you to Ilyn Payne, would you like him better?" Her heart lurched. "Please, Your Grace," she begged. "If you ever loved me even a little bit, don't make me marry your—" — Sansa III, ASOS
So, Cersei and Joffrey (Venus and Cupid) marry Sansa to the hideous looking Imp, and he later abuses emotionally (as I've said in the post linked above when I consider the bath scene of Jaime and Brienne and the wedding night of Sansa and Tyrion, so I won't digress further here).
The stealing of Psyche ~ the maiden and the thief, or the maiden is the thief?
In the myth Cupid distracted by Psyche beauty ends up pinching himself with his own arrow and falls helplessly in love with Psyche, thus, refusing to have her marry the hideous looking man, he has his servant, the wind (Zephyr) steal her away from her wedding and brought to his enchanted palace.
Both Jon and Sansa are connected with the theme of the custom of stealing in the thematic of love, and what more... they both are connected with bird imaginery: Jon as a crow (and his red-head crow wife, but I digress) and Sansa as a little bird/little dove.
 She ran her fingers lightly across his stomach. "I feared you'd do the same once. Fly back to the Wall. You never knew what t' do after you stole me." Jon sat up. "Ygritte, I never stole you." "Aye, you did. You jumped down the mountain and killed Orell, and afore I could get my axe you had a knife at my throat. I thought you'd have me then, or kill me, or maybe both, but you never did. And when I told you the tale o' Bael the Bard and how he plucked the rose o' Winterfell, I thought you'd know to pluck me then for certain, but you didn't. You know nothing, Jon Snow." She gave him a shy smile. "You might be learning some, though." — Jon III, ASOS
First, Jon is again connected to the bird imaginery and flying away from Ygritte, then Ygritte claims he has stolen her to which he replies he hasn't and Ygritte tries to convince him he has, and ends up admitting he might be learning something. Spoiler alert: that knowledge won't be used on Ygritte.
"I look forward to a spirited discussion." Ser Roland swung down from his horse, turned to Alayne, and smiled. "I had heard that Lord Littlefinger's daughter was fair of face and full of grace, but no one ever told me that she was a thief." “You wrong me, ser, I am no thief!” Ser Roland placed his hand over his heart. "Then how do you explain this hole in my chest, from where you stole my heart?" — Alayne I, WOW
Dawn stole into her garden like a thief. The grey of the sky grew lighter still, and the trees and shrubs turned a dark green beneath their stoles of snow. — Sansa VII, ASOS
All the while Sansa is disguising herself as LF's baseborn daughter and LF's personal sigil is the mockingbird, again with the bird imaginery (and Sansa has just fled KL, and people already are saying she flew away from the keep as a wolf with bat-like wings). I've already spoken about the romantic hue given to the quote from Sansa VII, ASOS in a previous ask, x; and of how it hints to both Jon and Sansa and their possible romance coming in the coming books, tho, as I've stated more than once, I wouldn't be surprised if Martin keeps it mostly inward and leaves the finale open (like in the show) for a further development beyond the Dream of Spring.
Also, as I have discussed previously (x) Sansa is foreshadowed to help her cousin Jon (of whom she hears the grief of death — and probably shall hear his awakening as well but I am digressing) leading him by the hand and talking him through peril and winter, thanks to stories of knightly valour.
Will Sansa be stolen from Baelish (and whoever he means to marry her to, to forward his plans) and his plans, thanks to Jon? She already is, and all the while Jon isn't even near her, yet.
As I've said in a previous ask (x) Jon is already saving Sansa from LF and his plans for her. LF is trying to isolate her, become her sole relator of news and her only informant, if he is the one giving her what information he wants, he controls what she knows and thus what she does. But he has underestimated Sansa and the loyalty of the Royces to the Starks the their cause (why they were furious they couldn't join Robb and his cause and loved Ned), in fact Sansa learns from Randa that not only Jon is alive, but that he has also made Lord Commander of the NW, and this happens shortly after she thinks she would flee both LF and Petyr (the mask and the man) if she only had somewhere to run to, someone to run to as she thinks that Lysa, who was supposed to keep her safe tried to kill her instead, so no place is safe...and boom here strides Jon Snow, newly named lord commander of the NW, and also “Winterfell belongs to my sister, Sansa” — to quote show Sansa: someone better offering (not that she knows of, yet) a better chance for Sansa survival and happiness and safety; someone she cares for “it would be so sweet to see him once again”, someone who literally died for a Stark girl (Arya — Jeyne) and will be ready to fight for the Starks again.
The hidden spouse
I've lost count of how many fics I've read with this trope I adore, and Jon marrying Alayne to gather the help of the Vale for Stannis or for himself, and while I adore them, I think in canon the point shall be the reversal.
Jon is an hidden Targaryen, an hidden ‘prince’ (depending on wether he's true born or not, which remains to be seen) and no one but his parental figure is aware of it, for safety reasons Sansa (and Jon himself) is unaware of his true identity. It wouldn't surprise me if Jon learned the truth about his parentage and did not reveal it to Sansa immediately, mostly a) so that it could be used politically to free the North of whatever vow Jon might take b) for safety reasons, if Sansa didn't know she cannot be held accountable for the truth of Jon's parentage (it wouldn't surprise me if Jon considered that to protect her brothers Sansa could out him and his parentage — in a parallel way as to Ned inability to trust Cat with the safety of Jon when her children were put in danger — though I am inching more to a Jon wanting to keep Sansa's slate clean, though he is a bit brooding so he might brood about the possibility of Sansa not loving him anymore if he isn't her brother and her true brothers come along, alive and well — it'd be the kind of angst Martin would write).
If we see his feelings develop for Sansa, inwardly that will be especially in the beginning, and he kept that secret from her, and is even unaware of it himself still, we'd see a besotted knight with his lady sister (who fits his every wish) love, but whose identity is absconded from either only Sansa or both of them.
If his name ends up to be Aemon which can be linked both to an old Gaelic version of Edmund (meaning wealthy/fierce protection) and an ancient egyptian version of Amon (meaning hidden one) ... and he fits both the meanings:
“Sweet one,” her father said gently, “listen to me. When you're old enough, I will make you a match with a high lord who's worthy of you, someone brave and gentle and strong. This match with Joffrey was a terrible mistake. That boy is no Prince Aemon, you must believe me.” — Sansa III, AGOT
With all of textual evidences linking Jon with Aemon Dragonknight (and Sansa with Naerys), bigger clue we could not find.
The betrayal of trust
In the myth Psyche (feeling lonely albeit loved) convinced by the sisters (who are envious of her love for her husband) violates her husband' prohibition and out of curiosity she breaks his trust and learns the truth of his identity.
As opposed, to defend him and their family, show Sansa ‘betrayed’, tho I already disproved it as a betrayal of trust (x) I don't recuse to Jon it might feel that way initially, the secretive nature of Jon's parentage.
In the book it might be reserved, Jon using the knowledge of his parentage without telling Sansa before which would made her feel betrayed about it (as she felt betrayed by him basically giving away her birthright — a birthright bookJon defended — Bran's birthright to a foreign conqueror).
If only the show (or the book) ended in a marriage (like the myth) we'd have the perfect parallel.
The quests — healing and love transcending any kind of adversity
So, Psyche has violated Cupid's prohibition and the god has flown to his mother and confess his crimes against her (because he feels betrayed).
Psyche, distraught over her husband's departure, searches for him everywhere and ends up in Venus' service, ready to do anything to get her husband back:
If you look outside the walls of your city, you'll find thousands of Northmen who will explain to you why harming Jon Snow is not in your interest. — Sansa Stark, s8e6 GoT
Venus puts her through a series of quests to pay for her crime and earn forgiveness, and she's helped to fulfil them all by her husband's servants and friends.
And by considering each quest I swear we have to laugh because they are literally built for Sansa— or can be applied to Sansa as well.
Sort through mixed seeds of grain, successful thanks to the help of ants —› Sansa is the de facto lady of the Eyrie now in the books and she ensuring the the Eyrie and its court survive winter, that means that they must prepare their store, and it's not a chance that in the show she's basically the only one whose shown to worry about the state of the stores for winter and the comfort of the soldiers who will fight for them. Why do I speak of the soldiers as well?, why because of this:
Soldiers crawled over the city walls like ants with torches, and crowded the hoardings that had sprouted from the ramparts. — Sansa IV, ACOK
Around the walls the hosts of Lords Declarant were stirring, emerging from their tents like ants from an anthill. If only they were truly ants, she thought, we could step on them and crush them. — Alayne I, AFFC
The gaunt outlines of huge catapults and monstrous wooden cranes stood sentry up there, like the skeletons of great birds, and among them walked men in black as small as ants (...). — Jon III, AGOT
Some were tearing great holes in the half-frozen ground, while others trained for war. He watched as a swarming mass of riders charged a shield wall, astride horses no larger than ants (...) — Jon VII, ACOK
Jon watched the riders go from atop the Wall—three parties, each of three men, each carrying a pair of ravens. From on high their garrons looked no larger than ants, and Jon could not tell one ranger from another. He knew them, though. Every name was graven on his heart. — Jon VI, ADWD
—› Might I also point out a contrast?
The next morning she woke stiff and sore and aching, with ants crawling on her arms and legs and face. When she realized what they were, she kicked aside the stalks of dry brown grass that had served as her bed and blanket and struggled to her feet. She had bites all over her, little red bumps, itchy and inflamed. Where did all the ants come from? Dany brushed them from her arms and legs and belly. She ran a hand across her stubbly scalp where her hair had burned away, and felt more ants on her head, and one crawling down the back of her neck. She knocked them off and crushed them under her bare feet. There were so many …It turned out that their anthill was on the other side of her wall. She wondered how the ants had managed to climb over it and find her. To them these tumbledown stones must loom as huge as the Wall of Westeros. The biggest wall in all the world, her brother Viserys used to say, as proud as if he'd built it himself. — Daenerys X, ADWD
Interesting, isn't it? I wonder what it might mean —
Anyway, back to this:
Sansa: the men we have left are exhausted, many of them are wounded. They'll fight better if they have time to rest and recuperate. Daenerys: how long do you suggest? Sansa: I can't say for certain, not without talking to the officers.
—› may I point out that this (☝🏽) is something Daenerys as queen should've done?, and if she hadn't she should've had her men, the people in her retinue do it in her stead, to make sure of the condition of her armies beyond the number and decide how to move forward? Had she listened to Sansa Rhaegal would've had more time to recuperate and maybe he would've been able to avoid being killed, because his reflexes would've been better, more camaraderie would've been born between the diverse troops which compose her army, and she would've had more time to move politically against Cersei, which could've unseat her without the need to military attack KL, or they could've had time to find an alternative solution. As we say in Italy ‘you've done thirty, do thirty-and-one’, you've waited several years to take the throne, wait a bit more. If you want to be more than a conqueror and an invader you have to give the people time to see you as such.
Daenerys: I came north to fight alongside you, [you claim to be the queen of the North as well, fight for it should be only your duty, especially after its king bent the knee] at great cost to my armies and myself, now that the time has come to reciprocate, you want to postpone. [no, she wants to win with less losses as possible, something that should be foremost in your mind — but I've already digressed on how her armies are only a mean to an end for Daenerys and I won't digress further here] Sansa: it's not just our people, is yours. You want to throw them into a war they're not ready to fight. Daenerys: the longer I leave my enemies alone, the stronger they became [so do you!!!!!] — s8e4, GoT
I won't digress on how Jon backing Daenerys theatrically against the safety of his own people is out of character for him and hints toward pol!Jon, only the show has not shown his inner thoughts; I won't digress on how Jon backing Daenerys theatrically against the safety of his own people is out of character for him (just look at him thinking of the rangers and knowing their names by heart even when he knows he might be sending them to their deaths, c'mooooooon!). I won't do it. Not here, anyway, but it is pretty blatant, in my opinion.
Those aren't the only evidences given to us by the show either, Sansa worries for the state of the stores during winter, she worries for how to feed everyone, she worries that the soldiers have the warmest armours they can have (but this last bit connects better with the second task set on Psyche).
So between the hint given by the text and what the show showed us, is very possible that Daenerys or Cersei (whoever has the upper hand in that moment over the Starks) might demand allegiance and military solidarity of them, even when the northmen are exhausted and not ready. But most that anything, the fact that Sansa thinks of the lord Declarants and their troops as well as defending soldiers as ants crawling around and the connection with ants helping Psyche sorting the seeds, make me think that Sansa might have to use the knights of the Vale not only to take back the North, but also to try and keep it whole and safe as Daenerys and Cersei wage war against one another (or Aegon as well).
gather an hank of wool from a golden men-eating sheep, managed thanks to an helpful reed who tells her a secret the allows her to fulfil the task —› can you hear me laughing all the way where you are?, because I am, this is that obvious. I mean, an helpful reed tells her the secret to hank the wool from the men-eating sheep is to do so during the night, when the sheep is more docile and less prone to attack. Howland Reed is possibly the only man in existence aware of the true identity of Jon Snow, and we all know he has kept that knowledge silent for decades, and that he and his family are loyal to the marrow to the Starks. Wouldn't Howland Reed (if Jon failed to tell her) tell her the truth about Jon's parentage and hidden identity, to make sure the North, and House Stark survive unscathed?; also wool, again an hint toward taking care of her people, Sansa is all about her duties and she has shadowed Cat Stark in her lady endeavours, she knows what are her duties.
But listening to people you'd rather not listen to is one of your responsibilities as Lord of Winterfell — Maester Luwin
Sansa: I listen to their complaints which is my responsibility as the lady of Winterfell.
—› The last seasons of the show might have butchered entire plots and characters, but this (☝🏽) this is Sansa, without any single doubt.
And it has textual evidences as well in the books:
Sansa was made of sterner stuff. A great lady knew how to behave at tournaments. Even Septa Mordane noted her composure and nodded in approval. — Sansa II, AGOT
"No, it gives me joy to kill people." His mouth twitched. "Wrinkle up your face all you like, but spare me this false piety. You were a high lord's get. Don't tell me Lord Eddard Stark of Winterfell never killed a man." "That was his duty. He never liked it." — Sansa IV, ACOK
“Now, don't you have some duties to perform?" She did indeed. She saw to the mulling of the wine first, found a suitable wheel of sharp white cheese, and commanded the cook to bake bread enough for twenty, in case the Lords Declarant brought more men than expected. Once they eat our bread and salt they are our guests and cannot harm us. The Freys had broken all the laws of hospitality when they'd murdered her lady mother and her brother at the Twins, but she could not believe that a lord as noble as Yohn Royce would ever stoop to do the same. — Alayne I, AFFC
"You are never an intrusion, sweetling. I was just now telling these good knights what a dutiful daughter I had." "Dutiful and beautiful," said an elegant young knight whose thick blond mane cascaded down well past his shoulders. — Alayne I, AFFC
Still, it would not serve. On the valley floor autumn still lingered, warm and golden, but winter had closed around the mountain peaks. They had weathered three snowstorms, and an ice storm that transformed the castle into crystal for a fortnight. The Eyrie might be impregnable, but it would soon be inaccessible as well, and the way down grew more hazardous every day. — Alayne II, AFFC
It was clever. The tourney, the prizes, the winged knights, it had all been her own notion. Lord Robert's mother had filled him full of fears, but he always took courage from the tales she read him of Ser Artys Arryn, the Winged Knight of legend, founder of his line. Why not surround him with Winged Knights? She had thought one night, after Sweetrobin had finally drifted off to sleep. His own Kingsguard, to keep him safe and make him brave. And no sooner did she tell Petyr her idea than he went out and made it happen. — Alayne I, WOW
She knows by heart both the duties of a lord and a lady, she knows the duties of a warden and his lady wife, of a king and his consort (as she was educated to be the future queen); she knows the duties the head of an House must perform as well (as the history of Westeros has told us that at times women have had to carry on their family lines and act as Heads and take husbands to give them their name). She knows them by heart. And she's born to fulfil them, it's what she has always done and tried to do.
fill a crystal vessel with the water of a spring that feeds the Styx and Cocytus with the help of an eagle —› now, Sansa is, in the last book, acting de facto great lady of the Eyrie and is the parental figure of Robert Arryn (whose banner displays a falcon — another bird of prey same as the eagle) and we know she is diplomatically creating a situation in which she is perceived as a defender of her cousin (creating the Winged Knights) as well as a better option than plotting and not trustworthy LF (especially since it's very possible that the Royces already know of her true identity); also, one of the Houses of the Riverlands, House Mallister, has displayed on their banner an eagle, and they were loyal to Robb's cause, right now its Head and his heir are prisoners of the Freys in Seagard, in the northern Riverlands, and which could provide (if they ever manage to break free — Blackfish what are you doing?) for Sansa Stark, Cat Tully's daughter and the sister of king Robb Stark safe passage home to the North.
—› also, Petrek Mallister, the heir to Seagard, is a good friend to Edmure Tully (Cat's beloved brother) and has, between his many interests, also that of hawking (a skill we've seen Sansa also possesses, as she's gone hawking with Margaery in KL) again a skill of conjecture between man-and-bird-of-prey. Will Sansa get their help and their loyalty out of love for Robb and Catelyn/Edmure? It's possible.
Retrieving a beauty treatment from the queen of the underworld, Proserpine, managed thanks to the help of a speaking tower —› at last, seen that Psyche had fulfilled all tasks Venus had set on her, the goddess gives her one last task, that the girl herself is convinced to fail to the point she almost throws herself off a tower.
The northern girl. Winterfell's daughter. We heard she killed the king with a spell, and afterward changed into a wolf with big leather wings like a bat, and flew out a tower window. — Arya XIII, ASOS
But the tower stops her from killing herself and tells her not only how to find the entryway to the Underworld, but also how to get around Charon and Cerberus, but especially how to behave toward the underworld Queen, Proserpine.
My point is, some of the Freys (whose banner are the twin towers) have been sent away from the Twins, because they were considered too loyal to Robb and his cause. Will one of them flock to Sansa Stark's side and help her? Is not absurd to believe, since their own kin have shunned them because they were too loyal to Robb. Will the ‘speaking tower’ help her get through the Twins (Charon and Cerberus) guarding the rivers (as they did in the myth) and back North?
Proserpine and her trick
Proserpine, the goddess of the underworld, is the roman version of the greek Persephone/Kore, but that, in this myth takes a bit of the darkness of her husband (as I've said already in my meta about Sansa and the myths she might embody Persephone had a very dark side, to the point we used to say that it was better to end up before Hades during spring and summer — when Persephone was not there to fulfil her duties as queen — then in fall and winter, when she was and would give the punishment as she saw fit — the Erinni, who are the personification of vengeance are her daughters and answer to her; also in some myths Persephone/Proserpine is considered Zeus' daughter with Styx, the personification of the river of hate and this is the personification Apuleius goes with).
Appearing gentle and humouring the human wife of Cupid, Proserpine lets her retrieve the ointment, but warns her not to open it. Psyche, filled with curiosity opens it, intent on using it if necessary, and ends up falling into a death-like sleep.
The more dark version of Proserpine I have always associated with Melisandre, why?, because Proserpine often was invoked for necromancy and Melisandre, who is a sorceress who uses blood-magic; and Proserpine was known for her role in delivering punishments to those who came in the Underworld.
We know, by the show, that Mel will have a hand in returning Jon Snow from death, and most possibly will try and manipulate him and possibly Sansa to bring forth her visions like she did with Stannis. It wouldn't surprise me if Melisandre would try to deceive Sansa.
The death-like sleep, a reversal, an healed love
In the myth of Cupid and Psyche, after she has fallen into the death-like sleep Cupid manages to wake her with a kiss and by rousing her. I have said more than once that it wouldn't surprise me if in the books, once Jon returns from death he will, similarly as lady Stoneheart and Beric Dondarrion, as well as, imo, Daenerys Targaryen be single-minded focused on one purpose, the one with which he has died in mind. Defending the Stark girl(s). Which will make him play dirty (and we all know how much bookJon is capable of playing dirty when necessary, he's a menace) to make sure they survive and are happy.
In the show we're shown how Jon has lost his identity since waking up from death, he kills his assassins and then proceeds to abandon everything to ‘get warm’ which is extremely out of character of the man who chose his duty to the North as the blood of Winterfell over the woman he had ‘fallen in love’ (it's called Stockholm syndrome, btw) and it's only when Sansa finds him that Jon has a new purpose.
Sansa: where will you go? Jon: where will we go, if I don't watch over you father's ghost will come back and murder me. — s6e4, GoT
Jon has already found his purpose. Keep Sansa safe.It's only when Sansa points out that Winterfell is theirs, and Bran and Rickon's and Arya's and that they will never be safe if they don't take it back, that she'll do it alone if he won't help that he decides to move for Winterfell. This hints, imo, the possibility that in the book resurrected Jon will move for Winterfell in an attempt to save fake Arya, only to come up short when it's actually Jeyne, then when he meets with Sansa he will shift all of that defence and protectiveness he woke up with, to Sansa. Cue in possible romantic feelings and we probably will see Jon starting to slowly come back to himself as if Sansa is rousing him (singing him — courteous love both of them wish for, as I've said numerous times) back to his hold self, something he will have to hold onto when everything he thought he knew about himself come crashing down with the truth of his parentage.
A reversal of Cupid rousing Psyche and then taking her back to Olympus where she drinks the ambrosia, the nectar that gives her immortality and makes of her a goddess (a pregnant one at that). Kind of like, possibly, Sansa might end up giving Jon the Stark name (his own ambrosia, granting him immortality as a Stark, one way or another — either by fame, and decree, as hinted by the crypt teaser where Jon's statue is put along the one of Sansa the qitn and Arya the hero of Winterfell, on the consort's side of Sansa — or by marrying him and making of him a Stark through marriage as both of their arc also hinge on the fact of having children to inherit Winterfell who look like their siblings).
The trust between Cupid and Psyche is healed, because of love, because of the length Psyche went for that love, and because of Cupid's inability to stay away from Psyche.
And the show did give us a mutated (less obvious because of the lack of inner thoughts) version of this ending:
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[yes, I totally forgot to have the gif dissolve in black when they enter and they finish in the first gif, but I am too lazy now to change it, my bad]
So, yes, I would say that the myth of Cupid and Psyche does seem to hold some parallel with Jonsa. What do you all think?, as always thank you for bearing with me until the end of this meta, hope you enjoyed!
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I WILL NOT FALL // I DIDN'T FALL
Sometimes I need to check whose chapter I'm reading....
One step and then another, Jon told himself. One step and then another, and I will not fall. He had not shaved since leaving the Fist of the First Men, and the hair on his lip was soon stiff with frost. Two hours into the climb, the wind kicked up so fiercely that it was all he could do to hunch down and cling to the rock, praying he would not be blown off the mountain. One step and then another, he resumed when the gale subsided. One step and then another, and I will not fall.
Soon they were high enough so that looking down was best not considered. There was nothing below but yawning blackness, nothing above but moon and stars.
—A Clash of Kings - Jon VI
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Sansa dared not look down. She kept her eyes on the face of the cliff, making certain of each step before reaching for the next. The stone was rough and cold. Sometimes she could feel her fingers slipping, and the handholds were not as evenly spaced as she would have liked. The bells would not stop ringing. Before she was halfway down her arms were trembling and she knew that she was going to fall.  One more step, she told herself, one more step. She had to keep moving. If she stopped, she would never start again, and dawn would find her still clinging to the cliff, frozen in fear. One more step, and one more step.
The ground took her by surprise. She stumbled and fell, her heart pounding. When she rolled onto her back and stared up at from where she had come, her head swam dizzily and her fingers clawed at the dirt. I did it. I did it, I didn't fall, I made the climb and now I'm going home.
—A Storm of Swords - Sansa V
My two climbers!
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AERION TARGARYEN & JOFFREY BARATHEON
The cruelty and madness of Aerion Targaryen is brought up to us in Jon and Sansa’s chapters:
"The next brother was Aerion."
"Aerion the Monstrous?” Jon knew that name. “The Prince Who Thought He Was a Dragon” was one of Old Nan’s more gruesome tales. His little brother Bran had loved it.
“The very one, though he named himself Aerion Brightflame. One night, in his cups, he drank a jar of wildfire, after telling his friends it would transform him into a dragon, but the gods were kind and it transformed him into a corpse.
—A Clash of Kings - Jon I
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"But how kind is he? How clever? Has he a good heart, a gentle hand? Is he chivalrous as befits a king? Will he cherish Margaery and treat her tenderly, protect her honor as he would his own?”
“He will,” Sansa lied. “He is very … very comely.”
“You said that. You know, child, some say that you are as big a fool as Butterbumps here, and I am starting to believe them. Comely? I have taught my Margaery what comely is worth, I hope. Somewhat less than a mummer’s fart. Aerion Brightfire was comely enough, but a monster all the same. The question is, what is Joffrey?” 
[…] Sansa felt as though her heart had lodged in her throat. The Queen of Thorns was so close she could smell the old woman’s sour breath. Her gaunt thin fingers were pinching her wrist. To her other side, Margaery was listening as well. A shiver went through her. “A monster,” she whispered, so tremulously she could scarcely hear her own voice. “Joffrey is a monster. He lied about the butcher’s boy and made Father kill my wolf. When I displease him, he has the Kingsguard beat me. He’s evil and cruel, my lady, it’s so. And the queen as well.”
—A Storm of Swords - Sansa I
As you can see, in these two passages Aerion Targaryen is described as "monstrous" and “monster.”
Indeed, Aerion Targaryen is the main villain of the first Dunk & Egg tale, The Hedge Knight. And Aerion is also very similar to Joffrey Baratheon, both were vain, cruel and treated everyone and everything disdainfully.  
When Sansa thought herself in love with Joffrey Baratheon (Jon’s foil, switched at birth trope), she compared her love story with Florian and Jonquil: 
"I love him, Father, I truly truly do, I love him as much as Queen Naerys loved Prince Aemon the Dragonknight, as much as Jonquil loved Ser Florian.”  
—A Game of Thrones - Sansa III
As first Sansa thought that Joffrey was very gallant and chivalrous, because he played that role very well, exactly how Aerion Targaryen did:
Aerion is all smiles and chivalry so long as his father is watching, if the tales be true, but when he's not ..."
—The Hedge Knight
But Joffrey's true nature was vain, disdainful and cruel not only with people, but also with animals. The same way Joffrey cut a pregnant cat, Aerion killed his little brother Egg's cat:
"He threw my cat in the well too. He says he didn't, but he always lies."
Prince Daeron gave a weary shrug. "Egg has the truth of it. Aerion's quite the monster."
—The Hedge Knight
Later, when Sansa saw Joffrey’s true nature, her impression of Joffrey matches Jon’s impression of the prince, the night at the feast at Winterfell:
Prince Joffrey had his sister’s hair and his mother’s deep green eyes. A thick tangle of blond curls dripped down past his golden choker and high velvet collar. Sansa looked radiant as she walked beside him, but Jon did not like Joffrey’s pouty lips or the bored, disdainful way he looked at Winterfell’s Great Hall. —A Game of Thrones - Jon I Sansa stared at him, seeing him for the first time. He was wearing a padded crimson doublet patterned with lions and a cloth-of-gold cape with a high collar that framed his face. She wondered how she could ever have thought him handsome. His lips were as soft and red as the worms you found after a rain, and his eyes were vain and cruel. “I hate you,” she whispered. —A Game of Thrones - Sansa VI
And much later, in the first Sansa chapter from The Winds of Winter, Joffrey, like Aerion, is described as “a comely monster” 
Ser Harrold Hardyng looked every inch a lord-in-waiting; clean-limbed and handsome, straight as a lance, hard with muscle. Men old enough to have known Jon Arryn in his youth said Ser Harrold had his look, she knew. He had a mop of sandy blond hair, pale blue eyes, an aquiline nose. Joffrey was comely too, though, she reminded herself. A comely monster, that’s what he was. Little Lord Tyrion was kinder, twisted though he was.
—The Winds of Winter - Alayne I
And regarding Joffrey's true nature, how to forget Jon's iconic line: "Joffrey is truly a little shit." 
So Aerion Targaryen and Joffrey Baratheon were comely monsters and little shits; but the interesting thing with these two characters is their connection with the story of Florian and Jonquil.
Aerion was the villain of The Hedge Knight, a tale where Florian and Jonquil is one of the main themes. Tanselle the Dornish puppeteer played the role of Jonquil, Aerion was the villainous dragon and Dunk was Florian the Fool.
Sansa thought Joffrey was her Florian, but he really was her Aerion "the Monstrous" Targaryen.
And Jon Snow, who is Joffrey's foil and shares a lot with Dunk, will probably play the role of Florian the Fool for Sansa in the future.
I wrote a lot more about all of this in these previous posts:
DUNK SNOW
THE BLACK PRINCE WITH THE WHITE GUARDIAN
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EXPECTATIONS: UNCLE BENJEN - REALITY: YOREN
Jon and Sansa's reactions after meeting Yoren are very similar. We read Jon's reaction from Tyrion's POV and the wording is very similar to Sansa's POV:
Tyrion noticed Jon Snow watching Yoren and his sullen companions, with an odd cast to his face that looked uncomfortably like dismay. Yoren had a twisted shoulder and a sour smell, his hair and beard were matted and greasy and full of lice, his clothing old, patched, and seldom washed. His two young recruits smelled even worse, and seemed as stupid as they were cruel.
No doubt the boy had made the mistake of thinking that the Night's Watch was made up of men like his uncle. If so, Yoren and his companions were a rude awakening. Tyrion felt sorry for the boy.
He had chosen a hard life … or perhaps he should say that a hard life had been chosen for him.
—A Game of Thrones - Tyrion II
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"There was a black brother," Sansa said, "begging men for the Wall, only he was kind of old and smelly." She hadn't liked that at all. She had always imagined the Night's Watch to be men like Uncle Benjen. In the songs, they were called the black knights of the Wall. But this man had been crookbacked and hideous, and he looked as though he might have lice. If this was what the Night's Watch was truly like, she felt sorry for her bastard half brother, Jon. "Father asked if there were any knights in the hall who would do honor to their houses by taking the black, but no one came forward, so he gave this Yoren his pick of the king's dungeons and sent him on his way. —A Game of Thrones - Sansa III
This is something I mentioned before in longer posts, but never put these quotes together in a separated post.
What I like the most about Jon and Sansa having Uncle Benjen as their standard of a Night's Watch knight is the subtle connection to Waymar Royce.
Waymar Royce was a knight from a noble House descendant from the First Men, that Jon and Sansa met when he was in his way to the Wall, and I think that for Jon and mostly for Sansa, Waymar met the Uncle Benjen standard for a Night's Watch knight. Waymar even had the Stark look.
There is a theory out there that says the Others are looking for men with the Stark look.
After Waymar got lost, Benjen was sent to look for Waymar, and later when Benjen also got lost, Jon mentioned to Tyrion his intention to find his uncle beyond the Wall:
"My uncle is out there," Jon Snow said softly, leaning on his spear as he stared off into the darkness. "The first night they sent me up here, I thought, Uncle Benjen will ride back tonight, and I'll see him first and blow the horn. He never came, though. Not that night and not any night."
"Give him time," Tyrion said.
Far off to the north, a wolf began to howl. Another voice picked up the call, then another. Ghost cocked his head and listened. "If he doesn't come back," Jon Snow promised, "Ghost and I will go find him." He put his hand on the direwolf's head.
"I believe you," Tyrion said, but what he thought was, And who will go find you? He shivered.
—A Game of Thrones - Tyrion III
Three men with the Stark look went beyond the Wall but only Jon came back.
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Jon & Alayne metas?
Hi there!
I'm not aware of special Jon & Alayne metas (as in Jon will get together with Alayne, not Sansa), but Jonsa metas have alerted us to several things that connect Jon and Alayne (Sansa) in the Vale
- Sansa learns about Jon being LC via Myranda, and slips out of her role quite blatantly in that moment (to such a degree that Myranda might have become aware of Alayne being Sansa)
- Sansa hears the "ghost" wolf
- Sansa fashions her "bastard" persona of Alayne after her knowledge of Jon (Alayne being older than Sansa, "bastard brave" and not as fond of dancing as Sansa)
- Alayne is a bastard and Jon a lord - a reversal of their roles at the beginning
- There might be something to the fact that two castles are named Snow and Stone.
- The food situation in the Vale is so much better than elsewhere that Jon thinks about sending for help to the Vale.
- The Royces, a noble family of First Men blood, connects the Wall and the Vale very prominently and it is possible that Lord Royce has an inkling about Sansa as well. I'm sure they'll be prominently on the Starks' side in the wars to come.
That is just what is at the top of my mind. I'm sure others can add and I'll put it in the tag.
I personally think that Sansa won't stay Alayne that much longer (after all her true colour at the roots of her hair keeps returning).
Thanks!
~Fedon
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Gargoyles covered in snow
In the most recent Sansa chapter re-read by @istumpysk there are tons of mentions of gargoyles, so I went down a rabbit hole because why not.
First, by wikipedia:
Legend of the Gargoille.
A French legend that sprang up around the name of St. Romanus… he delivered the country around Rouen from a monster called Gargouille or Goji. La Gargouille is said to have been the typical dragon with bat-like wings, a long neck, and the ability to breathe fire from its mouth. Multiple versions of the story are given, either that St. Romanus subdued the creature with a crucifix, or he captured the creature with the help of the only volunteer, a condemned man. In each, the monster is led back to Rouen and burned, but its head and neck would not burn due to being tempered by its own fire breath. The head was then mounted on the walls of the newly built church to scare off evil spirits, and used for protection
During the 12th Century, when gargoyles appeared in Europe, the Roman Catholic Church was growing stronger and converting many new people. Most of the population at this time was illiterate, so images were very important to convey ideas. Many early gargoyles depicted some version of a dragon, especially in France. In addition to serving as spouts for water, the gaping mouths of these gargoyles evoked the fearsome destructiveness of these legendary beasts, reminding the laity of the need for the church’s protection
It is established then that gargoyles are dragons, particularly, defeated dragons, and their heads are mounted on walls for protection. Now, what does that have to do with Sansa? 
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Let’s look at that ASOS chapter where Sansa rebuilds Winterfell.
She raised the walls of the glass gardens while Littlefinger roofed them over, and when they were done with that he helped her extend the walls and build the guardshall. When she used sticks for the covered bridges, they stood, just as he had said they would. The First Keep was simple enough, an old round drum tower, but Sansa was stymied again when it came to putting the gargoyles around the top. Again he had the answer. “It’s been snowing on your castle, my lady,” he pointed out. “What do the gargoyles look like when they’re covered with snow?”
Sansa closed her eyes to see them in memory. "They’re just white lumps.”
“Well, then. Gargoyles are hard, but white lumps should be easy.” And they were.
The Broken Tower was easier still. They made a tall tower together, kneeling side by side to roll it smooth, and when they’d raised it Sansa stuck her fingers through the top, grabbed a handful of snow, and flung it full in his face. Petyr yelped, as the snow slid down under his collar. “That was unchivalrously done, my lady.”
“As was bringing me here, when you swore to take me home.”
ASOS Sansa VII
LF helps Sansa rebuild but in the end she turns against him, “rebels” against him, for deceiving her. The gargoyles are covered by snow at this point, and one cannot help but to think of the only dragon covered by Snow we know so far: Jon.
However, there is another man that is often equated to a gargoyle in the story. Tyrion.
When the moonstones hung from Sansa’s ears and about her neck, the queen nodded. “Yes. The gods have been kind to you, Sansa. You are a lovely girl. It seems almost obscene to squander such sweet innocence on that gargoyle.”
“What gargoyle?” Sansa did not understand. Did she mean Willas? How could she know? No one knew, but her and Margaery and the Queen of Thorns … oh, and Dontos, but he didn’t count.
ASOS Sansa III
Tyrion Lannister was sitting on the ledge above the door to the Great Hall, looking for all the world like a gargoyle. The dwarf grinned down at him. “Is that animal a wolf? AGOT Jon I
So far we have Tyrion, her husband, LF, who desires her, and Jon, a potential husband, at least for us Jonsas, associated with gargoyles. In case there is any doubt of the parallels between Tyrion and LF:
"I am,” the Imp confessed, “but not so drunk that I cannot attend to my own bedding.” He hopped down from the dais and grabbed Sansa roughly. “Come, wife, time to smash your portcullis. I want to play come-into-the-castle.” ASOS Sansa III
And back to the Sansa rebuilding Winterfell chapter
“That will give it strength enough to stand, I’d think,” Petyr said. “May I come into your castle, my lady?”
Sansa was wary. “Don’t break it. Be …”
“. . . gentle?” He smiled. “Winterfell has withstood fiercer enemies than me. It is Winterfell, is it not?”
“Yes,” Sansa admitted.
We now have Tyrion and LF using the same “game” as a metaphor for bedding Sansa. Cringe, I know.
I found interesting that Bran also has a connection to gargoyles that he used to climb in Winterfell.
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Bran Stark by John Picacio.
At Dragonstone, GRRM presents the gargoyles as being dormant dragons, dragons turned to stone. This is definitely a bad omen for poor Shireen, although I fail to see how she is connected to them, other than living right there, of course.
Perhaps it is a stretch, but maybe Jon “heart turned to stone” Snow has something to do with this, or perhaps it’s about our beloved stormborn queen, who was obviously born there and in the middle of such a storm the gargoyles themselves fell. In the ACOK Prologue we hear this from Shireen’s own mouth:
“I had bad dreams,” Shireen told him. “About the dragons. They were coming to eat me.”
The child had been plagued by nightmares as far back as Maester Cressen could recall. “We have talked of this before,” he said gently. “The dragons cannot come to life. They are carved of stone, child. In olden days, our island was the westernmost outpost of the great Freehold of Valyria. It was the Valyrians who raised this citadel, and they had ways of shaping stone since lost to us. A castle must have towers wherever two walls meet at an angle, for defense. The Valyrians fashioned these towers in the shape of dragons to make their fortress seem more fearsome, just as they crowned their walls with a thousand gargoyles instead of simple crenellations.” He took her small pink hand in his own frail spotted one and gave it a gentle squeeze. “So you see, there is nothing to fear.”
Shireen was unconvinced. “What about the thing in the sky? Dalla and Matrice were talking by the well, and Dalla said she heard the red woman tell Mother that it was dragonsbreath. If the dragons are breathing, doesn’t that mean they are coming to life?”
And yet again by Davos:
He raised his eyes to gaze up at the walls. In place of merlons, a thousand grotesques and gargoyles looked down on him, each different from all the others; wyverns, griffins, demons, manticores, minotaurs, basilisks, hellhounds, cockatrices, and a thousand queerer creatures sprouted from the castle’s battlements as if they’d grown there. And the dragons were everywhere. The Great Hall was a dragon lying on its belly. Men entered through its open mouth. The kitchens were a dragon curled up in a ball, with the smoke and steam of the ovens vented through its nostrils. The towers were dragons hunched above the walls or poised for flight; the Windwyrm seemed to scream defiance, while Sea Dragon Tower gazed serenely out across the waves. Smaller dragons framed the gates. Dragon claws emerged from walls to grasp at torches, great stone wings enfolded the smith and armory, and tails formed arches, bridges, and exterior stairs. Davos had often heard it said that the wizards of Valyria did not cut and chisel as common masons did, but worked stone with fire and magic as a potter might work clay. But now he wondered. What if they were real dragons, somehow turned to stone? ASOS Davos V
So, yeah, dragons coming to life…both Daenerys’s petrified eggs and Jon “Egg” coming back to life. 
What do you guys think? Am I just hallucinating the connections between Sansa, dragons=gargoyles and Jon?
Btw, poor Shireen. 😢
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Does anyone else theorize Jon will have a relationship with “Alayne” specifically, before Sansa? Thinking of where ASOIAF leaves off and assuming the general thread of the tv series is based in GRRM’s plans for TWOW & ADOS, I assume Jon & Sansa will still be the first Starks to be reunited, Jon will still win the Battle of the Bastards thanks to Sansa bringing the force of the Vale and Jon & Sansa will rule for at least some time together. I was trying to think of how the differences in storylines could be reconciled. Here is a potential theory to line these storylines up: -After learning of Jon’s death, Jeyne could end up turning back from Castle Black for the Vale either escaping feeling “Arya” will not be safe if Jon has been killed and that she does not have other options, knowing Baelish knows the truth and might know what to do. Or sent there by Stannis since her only other known alive family is there. - After Jon is resurrected he could learn that “Arya” was there and headed to the Vale, and now free of oaths, go after her. -There Jon could be united with Alayne and enter a relationship with her, either arranged to unite the North and the Vale in return for their forces, or thinking they are both bastards and aligned in status. Depends on how Alayne’s storyline has progressed, for example if she has married Harry and now Harry and Robin have both died. He could also simply fall in love with her. Or some combination of the above. -Another potential theory I’ve seen regarding Jon’s resurrection is that he may have gaps in his memory in the immediate aftermath, he might not recognize that Jeyne is not Arya right away, confused that he does recognize her from childhood. He may feel Alayne is familiar but not make the connection it is Sansa -In my opinion, this would lead to the same outcome of Sansa bringing the Knights of the Vale to fight for Jon in the Battle of the Bastards. And to the same outcome of Jon & Sansa ruling Winterfell together as Lord and Lady, and then the North as King and Queen but perhaps as Jon & Alayne, at least initially. - This resolves some discrepancies to me- why is Sansa not even considered as alternative to Jon when she is a true born Stark, when women rule in the North elsewhere? Do the Knights of the Vale really only come because Sansa asked Petyr nicely and he finds a way, or because the Lady of the Vale requested? Also side steps the concerns they might have about a public view of their relationship before they know of Jon’s true ancestry. -And of course Jon & Alayne ruling as King and Queen in the North parallels best with Jaeherys and Alyssane ruling as brother and sister and King and Queen.
~ my thoughts added:
I must admit that I have two problems with this theory: For Jon/Alayne to work, it is not only Jon who should have memory issues, but both of them. Otherwise a union is impossible. If you look at the marriages in the North, there has never been any wedding that was closer than 4th degree (according to Roman Law), the closest we have is cousin marriage and half-uncle-niece (which is 4th degree). There is no way that a union without the parentage reveal would be possible for Jon and Sansa. And Alayne remembers to be Sansa, even if Jon forgets everything, Sansa probably doesn't. And she wouldn't marry the man she knows to be her half-brother.
The other thing is: I really think we'll get Sansa as the Girl in Grey. There are so hints that point towards that: a subversion of the Red Riding Hood tale (Sansa being rescued by a wolf), Sansa reiterates Eddard's path North when he claimed the North in Robert's Rebellion, the rule of three (two false "girls in Grey", one true), Sansa singing Jon back to life, etc.
I freely admit though, that I have only a very vague idea how this will play out in the books other than that I'm sure we'll get a plausible reason for why the Knights of the Vale will ride for Sansa.
As for Jon and Sansa ruling jointly pre-parentage reveal. I could imagine something like they did on the show: Sansa as Lady of Winterfell, inheriting the seat that is hers by right as the last (known) trueborn child of Eddard Stark and Jon as king whose task is the military defence of the North against the threats that loom on the horizon.
That is not to say that a Jon/Alayne scenario as you set it up is not possible. I just think that we have good reasons to think that Jon will have memory issues (we have seen it with Cat and Berric) but there is no reason to think that Sansa will forget who she is. And if she does not remember who she is, she has no claim to the North and thus no reason for a joint rule with Jon.
I hope I haven't completely misunderstood your reasoning. If so, please feel free to correct me.
~Fedon
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“ even Sansa, who never called him anything but "my half brother" since she was old enough to understand what bastard meant.” Old enough to understand what bastard means coincides with old enough for other things…also I don’t think Robb ever recalls Sansa giving advice along the lines of “that’s pretty”. Seems like she only told Jon
Hi there!
Jon's memories of Sansa are interesting. They don't happen that often but you can see that there is affection there: The "that's pretty" incident, the "magic beyond the wall" and of "Sansa singing and brushing Lady's coat".
They have a different quality than Jon's memories of Robb and Ary@ but what the author wants to do with that, remains to be seen.
The problem is that we don't get a Robb PoV, so we don't really know how Robb's interactions with Sansa were. The fact that Robb needs Catelyn to tell him that Sansa wrote her letter under pressure is telling though. I don't think Sansa and Robb knew each other too well. Sansa might have given Robb some advice but we don't see it. We have another PoV: Theon. But Sansa apparently didn't give Theon any advice either. It is intriguing, but as I said, we'll have to be patient as to what it means.
Thanks! ~Fedon
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Something I noticed rereading AGOT: the first description of Sam’s personality: . Sam loved to listen to music and make his own songs, to wear soft velvets, to play in the castle kitchen beside the cooks, drinking in the rich smells as he snitched lemon cakes and blueberry tarts. His passions were books and kittens and dancing, clumsy as he was” his best friend and of Sansa’s: “Sansa could sew and dance and sing. she wrote poetry. she knew how to dress. she played the high harp and the bells.
Hi there!
Yes, you could actually argue that Sam is in some aspects a stand- in for Sansa: Sam loves music, he is kind and he is the best example that Jon is very well capable of liking people who are no badass fighters.
I alert you to my meta on singing (here) and my pig boy meta (here)
And I just give you a nice tidbit:
Thorne smiled. "The Bastard wishes to defend his lady love, so we shall make an exercise of it. Rat, Pimple, help our Stone Head here." Rast and Albett moved to join Halder. "Three of you ought to be sufficient to make Lady Piggy squeal. All you need do is get past the Bastard."
"Stay behind me," Jon said to the fat boy. Ser Alliser had often sent two foes against him, but never three. He knew he would likely go to sleep bruised and bloody tonight. He braced himself for the assault. (AGOT, Jon IV)
And then there is this sweet scene:
Sam blushed. "I . . . I know some songs. When I was little I liked to sing. I danced too, but my lord father never liked me to. He said if I wanted to prance around I should do it in the yard with a sword in my hand."
"Could you sing some southron song? For the babe?"
"If you like." Sam thought for a moment. "There's a song our septon used to sing to me and my sisters, when we were little and it was time for us to go to sleep. 'The Song of the Seven,' it's called." (ASOS, Samwell III)
Singing is life. And Jon will be sung back to life by Sansa. It's her special magic, the one that parallels her to Luthien, one of Tolkien's great ladies.
Thanks! ~Fedon
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Jon Snow, Manfred & The Byronic Hero: Part 3
Previous Posts: PART 1 + PART 2
It's finally here! BUT first and foremost... I have to admit that I split this post in half, so this is not the end and there will be a Part 4 😅 Here we go though, the first part of my textual comparision between Byron's Manfred and a certain passage in ASOS, Jon VI, a parallel that I believe potentially corroborates the pre-canon crush/kiss theory — see Part 2 for a reminder on that theory's development, including a list of relevent metas by other writers, etc.
Obviously, big disclaimer, this is all just my opinion, and I freely admit that this Manfred business could all come to naught... but hey, who can say for sure! Plus it's fun to speculate! So, let's dive in...
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(Detail from Lord Byron in Albanian dress, Thomas Phillips, 1813)
So, quick recap 😅 In parts 1 & 2, I hopefully established that Jon Snow is a character that fits the mould of a Byronic Hero pretty damn well, and more so than anyone else in the series 😒 side eyes S*nd*r Cl*g*ne 😒 What is striking, however, is how much he parallels Byron's Manfred — the "Byronic hero par excellence" — not just in his characterisation, but also in his circumstances...
Now, if there's a will and a way, one can make comparisons to any two texts or characters and claim that there's an intentional relationship/reference between them. Nevertheless, what I think gives this particular comparison some validity is the otherwise unexplainable number of Manfred/Manfryds and Byrons that pop up throughout the series, as examined in Part 2. Why? Why? Why?
Straight off the bat, in both Jon's narrative (especially ASOS, Jon VI) and Manfred, trauma is arguably manifested in the form of memories, the true meaning, or significance of which, are left unknown, or "half unexplained" to quote Byron himself (as referenced in Part 2). Indeed, as noted by Lara Assaad, "because it is difficult for individuals to recognise or acknowledge the traumatic events they have faced in the past, one gateway to unlocking their past are the memories that haunt their present."*
*All academic sources will be references at the end of the post.
In the case of Manfred, his memories are so intense that they utterly detach him from the present and instead keep him fixated on a traumatic past. By comparison, the interference of the larger plot obviously prevents the same thing occurring to Jon, yet nevertheless the significance of memories, and of memories being "stirred," play an important role in Jon’s chapters, and notably in A Storm of Swords:
Lately, though, he was noticing some other things. When she grinned, the crooked teeth didn't seem to matter. And maybe her eyes were too far apart, but they were a pretty blue-grey colour, and lively as any eyes he knew. Sometimes she sang in a low husky voice that stirred him. And sometimes by the cookfire when she sat hugging her knees with the flames waking echoes in her red hair, and looked at him, just smiling… well, that stirred some things as well. – ASOS, Jon II
If we take this passage as a key example of the significance of memories in relation to Jon, it is worth noting that the OED (Oxford English Dictionary) includes these definitions for the verb to "stir":
2.1 [no object] Rise or wake from sleep.
Synonyms: rouse oneself, bestir oneself etc.
3 [with object] Arouse strong feeling in (someone); move or excite.
Synonyms: rouse, kindle, inspire, stimulate, awaken, waken, quicken etc.
3.1 Arouse or prompt (a feeling or memory) or inspire (the imagination)
Example sentence: 'the story stirred many memories of my childhood'
On first read, the use of the verb "stir" appears to reflect an arousing of feelings, with the last line "that stirred some things as well" most likely alluding to literal arousal on Jon’s part (romantic and/or sexual), or something heading in that direction. However, the past tense use of the verb to "know" invites reflection, comparison, and remembrance, thus bringing the following use of "stir" more in line with the definition connected to arousing memory.
[...] they were a pretty blue-grey colour, and lively as any eyes he knew. Sometimes she sang in a low husky voice that stirred him. [...] that stirred some things as well.
Indeed, though the act of remembrance is never explicitly stated within this passage, memory is once again evoked using "echo" as a noun in the sentence — "waking echoes in her red hair." Just like the verb to "stir," to "echo" bears a close connection to the act of remembrance and to memory, as well as to comparison:
2 A close parallel to an idea, feeling, or event.
Example sentence: 'his love for her found an echo in her own feelings' Synonyms: duplicate, imitation, close likeness, exact likeness, mirror image, twin etc.
2.1 A characteristic that is suggestive of something else.
Synonyms: trace, ghost, memory, evocation, recollection, remembrance, reminiscence, suggestion, hint, clue, allusion etc.
Considering the above definitions, this use of "echo" begs the question… "waking echoes" of what exactly, or rather who? The way the phrase is structured reads as though the firelight is catching upon her red hair in an attractive way and that’s all there is to it. And yet, like an echo, it perhaps most strongly evokes a certain passage concerning Sansa’s red hair in ACOK, Catelyn VII, which is interestingly also repeated, or echoed, again in AFFC, Brienne II… with ASOS falling in between:
"[…] She had auburn hair, lighter than mine, and so thick and soft… the red in it would catch the light of the torches and shine like copper." – ACOK, Catelyn VII
"Sansa was a little lady," she had said, "always courteous and eager to please. She loved tales of knightly valour. She will grow into a woman far more beautiful than I, you can see that. I would often brush her hair myself. She had auburn hair, thick and soft… the red in it would shine like copper in the light of the torches." – AFFC, Brienne II
Within the text there are explicit comparisons made to Arya in the early descriptions of Ygritte, yet crucially prior to any attraction forming. However, it has been posited by other Jonsas that within these descriptions, particularly in the instances where an attraction is beginning to develop on Jon’s part, that there are implicit references being made to Sansa, buried deep within Jon’s subconscious and therefore not so easily perceivable upon a surface reading.
For more on this topic see:
Ygritte, Stark Sisters & Jon's Type by @butterflies-dragons
What Kind of Woman is Jon into? by @fedonciadale
But to take apart that Jon passage even further, we might focus in on the use of the verb to "wake" too, in relation to remembrance:
1.2 [with object] Cause to stir or come to life.
Synonyms: evoke, call up, conjure up, rouse, stir, revive, awaken, rekindle, reignite, etc.
The phrase stirring memories thus feels quite synonymous with "waking echoes" when we look at the above OED definition and synonyms. However, beyond just the example cited, remembrance through dreams, intermingled with his likely warging, plays a significant role in Jon's chapters prior to A Storm of Swords and the section I want to focus on in particular.
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(Detail from a first edition of Manfred, published 1817)
The grey walls of Winterfell might still haunt his dreams, but Castle Black was his life now, and his brothers were Sam and Grenn and Halder and Pyp and the other cast-outs who wore the black of the Night’s Watch. – AGOT, Jon IV
Last night he had dreamt the Winterfell dream again. – AGOT, Jon VII
He still saw the wight in his dreams, dead Othor with the burning blue eyes and cold black hands, but that was the last thing Sam needed to be reminded of. – ACOK, Jon I
So there is magic beyond the Wall after all. He found himself thinking of his sisters, perhaps because he’d dreamed of them last night. – ACOK, Jon III
When he closed his eyes, he dreamed of direwolves.
There were five of them when there should have been six, and they were scattered, each apart from the others. He felt a deep ache of emptiness, a sense of incompleteness. The forest was vast and cold, and they were so small, so lost. His brothers were out there somewhere, and his sister, but he had lost their scent. He sat on his haunches and lifted his head to the darkening sky, and his cry echoed through the forest, a long lonely mournful sound. As it died away, he pricked up his ears, listening for an answer, but the only sound was the sigh of blowing snow. – ACOK, Jon VII
Interestingly, in the last example we have Jon seemingly recalling Ghost’s memories of his separation from his littermates and subsequent discovery. However, despite the five pups counted paralleling the five Stark children, with Ghost/Jon as initially the outcast sixth, only one sister is mentioned. Either Sansa or Arya aren’t being counted here. What follows is an interaction with Bran through the weirwood network. Possibly, this is a typo, and it should read "sisters," but as with everything in ASOIAF, it’s worth considering whether this is instead intentional.
With the latter reasoning in mind, I think we can presume that the "sister" not included here is Sansa. Intriguingly, this theme of forgetting a sister occurs again in ADWD:
"I have no sister." The words were knives. What do you know of my heart, priestess?* What do you know of my sister? – ADWD, Jon VI
“What do you know of my heart?” in A Dance with Dragons and Sense & Sensibility by me 😎
Is Jon Even a Brother? by @rose-of-red-lake
But to return to Byron, in Manfred’s opening scene of Act I, the titular hero states that he cannot stop thinking, so is deprived of sleep:
My slumbers—if I slumber—are not sleep, But a continuance of enduring thought, Which then I can resist not: in my heart There is a vigil, and these eyes but close To look within; and yet I live, and bear The aspect and the form of breathing men. (I, i, 3–8)
Like Jon, dreams for Manfred are tied to remembrance, and more specifically remembered trauma — "a continuance of enduring thought," (I, i, 3–4). As noted by Assaad, with reference to Onno Van der Hart and B.A. Van der Kolk’s article 'The Intrusive Past: The Flexibility of Memory and the Engraving of Trauma,' Manfred’s "memory system" cannot "properly integrat[e] intensely emotionally arousing experiences," and the resulting effect is "dissociation and the formation of traumatic memories." These experiences "continue to influence [his] current perceptions" and "affect [his] behaviour." His past is beyond what he can assimilate, and as a result he "react[s] inappropriately to stress." This offers an explanation as to why for the chamois hunter, Manfred’s words are "strange" (II, i, 31). He then goes on to notice that Manfred’s trauma is affecting his mental faculties and calls him "a man of […] some half-maddening sin" (II, i, 31).
What Manfred wants most is to forget.
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(Manfred and the Alpine Witch, John Martin, 1837)
Despite divulging this desire for forgetfulness to the Seven Spirits, Manfred is nevertheless unable to shun the memories that continue to haunt him; "he cannot overcome his traumatic past," observes Assaad. Indeed, similar to how several of Jon’s dreams keep him fixated on his past life in Winterfell, so do Manfred’s memories keep him fixated on a past which he urgently wishes to forget. By comparison, the need to forget one’s previous life in Jon’s narrative is actively encouraged early on by the requirements of the Night’s Watch, the celibate order he has effectively exiled himself to:
"At evenfall, as the sun sets and we face the gathering night, you shall take your vows. From that moment, you will be a Sworn Brother of the Night’s Watch. Your crimes will be washed away, your debts will be forgiven. So too you must wash away your former loyalties, put aside your grudges, forget old wrongs and old loves alike. Here you begin anew." – AGOT, Jon VI
Jon’s own need, or desire, to forget, brought on by some undisclosed trauma connected to his bastard status, is perhaps narratively disguised by his position in the Night’s Watch, which notably requires its members to sever all ties and former loyalties. This need to forget in order to progress forward is also arguably reflected in Dany’s repeatedly employed "if I look back I am lost" mantra, which is first featured in her penultimate chapter of AGOT, Daenerys IX. However, true forgetfulness is never acquired by either Jon or Manfred.
In Byron's poem, when the Seven Spirits inform Manfred of their readiness to offer him "kingdom, and sway, and strength, and length of days" (I, ii, 170), he sends them away, proclaiming that his days "are too long already" (I, ii, 170). Although unrelated to our discussion on forgetfulness, Manfred’s refusal of "kingdom" etc. nevertheless feels strikingly similar to Jon’s own refusal of the Winterfell lordship — "Winterfell belongs to my sister, Sansa," (ADWD, Jon IV) — with the guilt he feels connected to his secret desire for it.
But back to Byron. As previously mentioned, Manfred instead desires oblivion, which he asks for but is denied. He even "pray[s] / For madness as a blessing," which is also denied him. To the Witch of the Alps, he describes his troublesome nights as follows:
—look on me in my sleep, Or watch my watchings—Come and sit by me! My solitude is solitude no more, But peopled with the Furies;—I have gnash’d My teeth in darkness till returning morn, Then cursed myself till sunset; (II, ii, 128–33)
As observed by Assaad, "studies conducted on survivors of trauma have led to the conclusion that while some survivors suffer from amnesia (loss of memory), others, especially adults, suffer from hypermnesia (enhancement of memory)." Just like Manfred, we see Jon struggle to forget, as evidenced most notably by the memories encountered in his dreams, or more often, in nightmares. These memories are enhanced within his unconscious state, as well as distorted thanks to the nature of dreams, but also surely to aid a show-don’t-tell approach to the narrative. Furthermore, "when an event is traumatic, it lies beyond the symbolic or linguistic realm, making people incapable of arranging a traumatic memory into a narrative," notes Assaad. Van der Hart and Van der Kolk expand on this further by explaining that the memory is then "organised on a somatosensory or iconic level: as somatic sensations, behavioural re-enactments, nightmares, and flashbacks."
Evidently, troublesome nights are a Byronic trait that is clearly present in both Manfred and Jon. Certainly, if we look at Jon’s sleeping habits more generally, quite understandably considering all the horrors he encounters, there are often mentions of him suffering from sleepless nights and/or nightmares, a "continuance of enduring thought" you could say:
As the dead kings came stumbling from their cold black graves, Jon had woken in pitch-dark, his heart hammering. Even when Ghost leapt on the bed to nuzzle at his face, he could not shake his deep sense of terror. He dared not go back to sleep. Instead, he had climbed the Wall and walked, restless, until he saw the light of the dawn off to the east. It was only a dream. I am a brother of the Night’s Watch now, not a frightened boy. – AGOT, Jon VII
Yet in his nightmares he faced it again… and this time the burning corpse wore Lord Eddard’s features. It was his father’s skin that burst and blackened, his father’s eyes that ran liquid down his cheeks like jellied tears. Jon did not understand why that should be or what it might mean, but it frightened him more than he could say. – AGOT, Jon VIII
Sleep came at last, and with it nightmares. He dreamed of burning castles and dead men rising unquiet from their graves. – ACOK, Jon VIII
He made himself eat, hungry or no. Bad enough he could not sleep, he could not go on without food as well. – ASOS, Jon XI
Ghost slept at the foot of the bed that night, and for once Jon did not dream he was a wolf. Even so, he slept fitfully, tossing for hours before sliding down into a nightmare. Gilly was in it, weeping, pleading with him to leave her babes alone, but he ripped the children from her arms and hacked their heads off, then swapped the heads around and told her to sew them back in place. – ADWD, Jon II
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(Manfred on the Jungfrau, Ford Maddox Brown, 1842)
If we take another specific example, this time from ASOS, Jon VI (this meta’s chapter of interest), we can see close parallels between the behaviour exhibited by Manfred and Jon’s own "memory edit" and delirium following his escape from the Wildlings. In this chapter, we see how upset and confused Jon becomes, brought on by the fever resulting from his wounds, and then exacerbated by the milk of the poppy given to him for the pain. Like Manfred, Jon becomes a "man of strange words" to those around him, and whilst the former becomes wilder and more fervid in his declarations, Jon quite literally becomes more feverish and delirious, "burning hot":
A fire was burning in the hearth, and the room was almost stuffy. The warmth made Jon sleepy. As soon as Noye eased him down onto his back, he closed his eyes to stop the world from spinning. […]
[…] His tongue felt thick and clumsy. The milk of the poppy was clouding his wits. "I broke my vows with her. I never meant to, but…" It was wrong. Wrong to love her, wrong to leave her… "I wasn’t strong enough. The Halfhand commanded me, ride with them, watch, I must not balk, I…" His head felt as if it were packed with wet wool. – ASOS, Jon VI
Cathy Caruth, a prominent trauma theorist, has observed that trauma is not experienced by all individuals in the same way, and that it "can be experienced in at least two ways: as a memory that one cannot integrate into one’s experience, and a catastrophic knowledge that one cannot communicate to others." Looking back at the scene at the chamois hunter’s cottage in Manfred, it is evident that what triggers Manfred’s memory is the glass of wine, or the imaginary blood which he sees on its brim:
Chamois Hunter
Well Sir! pardon me the question, And be of better cheer – come – taste my wine – ‘Tis of an ancient vintage – many a day T’has thawed my veins among our Glaciers – now – Let it do thus for thine. Come — pledge me fairly! —
Manfred
Away! Away! there’s blood upon the brim! Will it never – never – sink in the earth? (II, i, 16–22)
As an interesting aside, Manfred’s last line here strongly evokes Lady Macbeth (V, i, 48): "What, will these hands ne’er be clean?" But I digress!
According to Assaad, "this image reminiscent of blood triggers a 're-enactment' of Astarte’s death." Van der Kolk and Van der Hart explain that "[t]raumatic memory is produced by the mechanism […] called restitutio ad integrum […] When one element of a traumatic experience is evoked, all the other elements follow automatically." The wine, in this instance, brings Manfred back to the traumatic event of his beloved Astarte’s death, his likely half-sister we shouldn’t forget, and its presumably red colour makes him identify it with her blood. Manfred is so distressed by this vision, this remembrance, that he even tells the chamois hunter that he wishes to be mad "for then the things [he] see[s] / Would be but a distempered dream" (II, i, 60–61). But to return to Jon, that begs the question: is the drug fuelled godswood vision he goes on to experience in ASOS, Jon VI, simply a "distempered dream," or is it something more?
As mentioned in the concluding section of Part 2, there is, to my eye at least, quite a striking parallel between the abovementioned moment in Manfred, and this particular scene in ASOS, Jon VI, in which Jon is offered milk of the poppy to alleviate his pain after narrowly escaping the Wildlings:
Jon tried to rise. "I don’t need—"
Donal Noye crossed the room and shoved Jon back down onto his back. "Be still, or I’ll tie you down.” Even with only one arm, the smith handled him as if he were a child. Clydas returned with a green flask and a rounded stone cup. Maester Aemon poured it full. "Drink this."
Jon had bitten his lip in his struggles. He could taste blood mingled with the thick, chalky potion. It was all he could do not to retch it back up.
In both texts, a drink is offered to alleviate distress, and in both instances, blood is then either imagined upon the brim or literally tasted. Furthermore, both Jon and Manfred's almost violently negative reactions to these drinks can arguably be seen to parallel one another as well:
"Drink this." -> […] taste my wine […] (II, i, 17)
He could taste blood mingled with the thick, chalky potion. -> Away! Away! there’s blood upon the brim! (II, i, 21)
It was all he could do not to retch back up. -> Away! Away! (II, i, 21)
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(Sansa in the Godswood, Arantza Sestayo's ASOIAF 2022 Calendar)
What is perhaps most striking about the imagery employed in Jon’s chapter, alongside this admittedly very obscure reference to Byron’s Manfred, is its subtle evocation of a weirwood tree through the red "blood" and the "chalky" white "potion." We likely see similar imagery employed in ADWD, when Bran partakes of "a white paste, thick and heavy, with dark red veins running through it," which is supposedly made of "weirwood seeds" (ADWD, Bran III). Moreover, it could be argued that both weirwood-esque concoctions produce comparative effects — they make Bran and Jon remember, or see into the past:
"Those were shadows of days past that you saw, Bran. You were looking through the eyes of the heart tree in your godswood. Time is different for a tree than for a man. Sun and soil and water, these are the things a weirwood understands, not days and years and centuries. For men, time is a river. We are trapped in its flow, hurtling from past to present, always in the same direction. The lives of trees are different. They root and grow and die in one place, and that river does not move them. The oak is the acorn, the acorn is the oak. And the weirwood… a thousand human years are a moment to a weirwood, and through such gates you and I may gaze into the past." – ADWD, Bran III
Returning to ASOS, prior to this moment in Jon VI, as evidenced throughout the series, the colours red and white, as well as blood, have been strongly associated with weirwood trees:
The weirwood’s bark was white as bone, its leaves dark red, like a thousand bloodstained hands. A face had been carved in the trunk of the great tree, its features long and melancholy, the deep-cut eyes red with dried sap and strangely watchful. – AGOT, Catelyn I Even in the wolfswood, you never found more than two or three of the white trees growing together […] The dried sap that crusted in the eyes was red and hard as ruby. – AGOT, Jon VI The light of the moon painted the limbs of the weirwood silvery white as she made her way toward it, but the five-pointed red leaves turned black by night. – ACOK, Arya IX Wary, he circled the smooth white trunk until he came to the face. Red eyes looked at him. – ACOK, Jon VIII My vows, he’d thought, remembering the weirwood grove where he had said them, the nine great white trees in a circle, the carved red faces watching, listening. – ASOS, Jon III He heard the dark red leaves of the weirwood rustling, whispering to one another in a tongue he did not know […] the bone-white branches […] – ASOS, Samwell III The red eyes wept blood […] The dusk was deepening, the leaves of the weirwood rustling softly, waving like a thousand blood-red hands. – ASOS, Samwell III
Moreover, the pairing of red and white in general is also used to evoke the appearance of a weirwood tree in relation to Ghost:
And suddenly Ghost was back, stalking softly between two weirwoods. White fur and red eyes, Jon realised, disquieted. – AGOT, Jon VI
Red eyes, Jon realised, but not like Melisandre’s. He had a weirwood’s eyes. Red eyes, red mouth, white fur. Blood and bone, like a heart tree. – ASOS, Jon XII
For me, the red "blood mingled" with the white body of the "chalky potion" mentioned in ASOS, Jon VI clearly acts as a foreshadowing of the "huge white weirwood that had his father’s face" that we later see during his poppy-induced dream in the same chapter. Additionally, if there is a parallel to be made between Jon's bloody painkiller and Bran's red-veined weirwood seed paste, the connection to the weirwoods, and their association with rememberance, is even more apparent... Likewise, one could also argue that Ghost's very name, in association with the weirwoods, is somewhat evocative of memory:
Ghost, noun
1.1 A slight trace or vestige of something
Example sentence: 'he could still feel the ghost of her touch' Synonyms: hint, suggestion, impression, faint appearance
Alongside the drink that is offered that becomes bloody, literally in Jon’s case, we also have this very interesting rising and forcing back down imagery. On the surface, this reflects Jon’s distress and physical struggling, but on a deeper level, I believe this is the first hint towards the mental turmoil Jon is about to face, a certain memory rising to the fore, culminating in his godswood dream, but crucially set off by this Manfredian bloody drink.
Indeed, this very same imagery is also employed in Manfred, where he laments how the memory of Astarte’s death, together with his secret sin, "will it never – never – sink in the earth?" (II, i, 22). Not long after, Manfred goes on to say this:
I say 'tis blood – my blood – the pure warm stream Which ran in the veins of my fathers, and in ours, When we were in our youth, and had one heart, And loved each other as we should not love: And this was shed – but still it rises up, Colouring the clouds that shut me out from heaven, Where thou art not – and I shall never be. – (II, i, 24–30)
In the footnotes for the edition of Manfred I’ve been using, in reference to lines 29–30 — "heaven, / Where thou art not – and I shall never be" — it comments that:
The addressee is clearly not the Chamois Hunter; Manfred may be addressing the absent Astarte, who would thus seem not, in her brother’s opinion, to be among the blessed. However, Samuel Chew (Lord Byron’s Dramas, p. 70) wonders if this and other lines form a riddle indicating that Astarte is not dead; in which case we must perhaps read an understood "yet" between not and and. Either that, or Astarte’s soul, thanks to her union with Manfred, has been extinguished in the "death more durable and profound" which Thomas Taylor asserts will be the lot of "souls in a state of impurity."
I just thought that was worth mentioning, even though I’ve usually read these lines to mean that Astarte is dead, with the sin of her incest with Manfred preventing her from entering heaven. But, as in all things I speculate on in this meta series, this Byron connection could all be just a mere co-inky-dink! Nevertheless, I think there is a potential parallel to be read here in GRRM and Byron’s use of rising and forcing down imagery which represents an ultimately failed attempt at suppression:
1) Jon tried to rise, 2) It was all he could do not to retch it back up -> […] but still it rises up (II, i, 28)*
· 1) […] shoved Jon back down, 2) "I’ll tie you down." -> […] never—sink in the earth (II, i, 22)
*It is also worth noting that this same wording — retching it back up — is used again in ADWD when Bran accepts the weirwood paste:
It had a bitter taste, though not so bitter as acorn paste. The first spoonful was the hardest to get down. He almost retched it right back up. The second tasted better. The third was almost sweet. The rest he spooned up eagerly. Why had he thought that it was bitter? It tasted of honey, of new-fallen snow, of pepper and cinnamon and the last kiss his mother ever gave him. The empty bowl slipped from his fingers and clattered on the cavern floor. "I don't feel any different. What happens next?"
Leaf touched his hand. "The trees will teach you. The trees remember." He raised a hand, and the other singers began to move about the cavern, extinguishing the torches one by one. The darkness thickened and crept toward them. – ADWD, Bran III
For Jon and Manfred, however, there is a struggle to resist something present in both passages, whether that be the reliving of traumatic memories, or a less clear resistance to medical intervention. Similarly, there are other noteworthy and corresponding details to be found between the two texts as well:
[…] as if he were a child -> When we were in our youth (II, i, 26)
There is an emphasis placed on childhood made, and in Manfred’s case this is presumably when his incestuous feelings for Astarte first came to a head: they "loved each other as [they] should not" (II, i, 27). For Jon, however, paired with the Manfredian bloody drink, I think this subtle reference to childhood paves the way for a certain memory from that time to come to the fore. This idea of a bloody drink/concoction (bearing strong weirwood imagery) acting as a catalyst for rememberance, specifically a difficult truth (for Bran, it is that he will never regain the use of his legs), is further strengthened by a repetition of this motif in ADWD, Bran III.
It is telling perhaps, that Bran's vision also begins in childhood and at Winterfell, and specifically in the godswood...
Bran closed his eyes and slipped free of his skin. Into the roots, he thought. Into the weirwood. Become the tree. For an instant he could see the cavern in its black mantle, could hear the river rushing by below. Then all at once he was back home again. Lord Eddard Stark sat upon a rock beside the deep black pool in the godswood, the pale roots of the heart tree twisting around him like an old man's gnarled arms. The greatsword Ice lay across Lord Eddard's lap, and he was cleaning the blade with an oilcloth. – ADWD, Bran III
"Those were the shadows of days past that you saw, Bran," Bloodraven tells him.
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(Manfred on the Jungfrau, John Martin, 1837)
In the godswood vision in ASOS, however, Jon bathes in the hot pools with Ygritte and, like Bran, also sees Ned — his visage in the weirwood, as though it were one of its carved faces. I believe that this dream is precipitated by warm/hot water imagery prior to its occurrence, effectively easing us into the dreamscape. Alongside the bloody drink, that so subtle reference to Manfred, the sensation of warm water likewise acts as a trigger for the recollection a specific and partially traumatic memory rather than just an odd dream.
Clydas brought a basin of warm water, and Maester Aemon washed the pus and blood from his wound. Gentle as he was, even the lightest touch made Jon want to scream. "The Magnar’s men are disciplined, and they have bronze armour," he told them. Talking helped keep his mind off his leg.
This mention of "a basin of warm water" seems innocuous at first glance, but it is striking that we also get a reference to warm water in Manfred as well, in the same passage which speaks about a forbidden and incestuous love during childhood: "[…] the pure warm stream / Which ran in the veins of my fathers, and in ours" (II, i, 24–25). This linking of blood with specifically heated water by Byron is also notably present in ASOIAF as far back as A Game of Thrones, as detailed by @agentrouka-blog in this post, in which the hot springs of Winterfell are likened to blood:
The castle had been built over natural hot springs, and the scalding waters rushed through its walls and chambers like blood through a man’s body, driving the chill from the stone halls, filling the glass gardens with a moist warmth, keeping the earth from freezing. – AGOT, Catelyn II
So cold, he thought, remembering the warm halls of Winterfell, where the hot waters ran through the walls like blood through a man’s body. – AGOT, Jon III
"[…] the pure warm stream / Which ran in the veins of my fathers, and in ours" – Manfred, II, i, 24–25
I won’t expand too much on this point, but it’s some interesting parallel imagery, which is perhaps suggestive of GRRM’s awareness of this line in Manfred, and his subsequent intentions to reference this text in A Storm of Swords. Indeed, as noted in Part 2, the first "explicit" reference to Byron and Manfred (I mean… explicit to me, in hindsight, lmao) is with Ser Manfred Swann as mentioned in ASOS, Jaime VIII. But it’s striking nonetheless that the hot springs of Winterfell and blood, specifically the blood of the Starks, are so closely connected even from the first book, and lest we forget, which two characters are referred to as "the blood of Winterfell"?
"Then you must do what needs to be done," Qhorin Halfhand said. "You are the blood of Winterfell and a man of the Night’s Watch." – ACOK, Jon VI
Ygritte answered for him. "His name is Jon Snow. He is Eddard Stark’s blood, of Winterfell." – ACOK, Jon VIII
I am not your daughter, she thought. I am Sansa Stark, Lord Eddard’s daughter and Lady Catelyn’s, the blood of Winterfell. She did not say it, though. – AFFC, Sansa I
But also, perhaps quite crucially, we have Jon referring to himself as "the blood of Winterfell" in this very chapter (Jon VI) in ASOS, and in the freaky dream that I’m gradually building my way up to…
When the dreams took him, he found himself back home once more, splashing in the hot pools beneath a huge white weirwood that had his father’s face. Ygritte was with him, laughing at him, shedding her skins till she was naked as her name day, trying to kiss him, but he couldn’t, not with his father watching. He was the blood of Winterfell, a man of the Night’s Watch. I will not father a bastard, he told her. I will not. I will not. "You know nothing, Jon Snow," she whispered, her skin dissolving in the hot water, the flesh beneath sloughing off her bones until only skull and skeleton remained, and the pool bubbled thick and red. – ASOS, Jon VI
Returning to Maester Aemon and his gentle application of water to Jon’s wounds, it's noted that "even the lightest touch made Jon want to scream." This almost reaction feels evocative of both Manfred’s agitated cries of "Away! Away! there’s blood upon the brim!" (II, i, 16) as well as his assertion that "Do I not bear it? – look on me – I live. –" (II, i, 42) in response to the chamois hunter’s unwanted advice to seek "the aid of holy men, and heavenly patience" (II, i, 34) to alleviate Manfred’s "dread and sufferance" (II, i, 33).
Furthermore, avoidance and suppression are once more alluded to through Jon’s acknowledgement that "talking helped keep his mind off his leg." Now, it should be stressed that what we read as overt in the text is what is operating on the conscious level, whereas this gradual and subtle foreshadowing is operating on the subconscious level, as well as within the realm of what the author knows and what we the reader, and arguably Jon to some extent, doesn’t.
Following on from the above passage, there is some discussion between Jon and his black brothers about the Thenns, the Frostfangs, and finding the Horn of Winter. What occurs next is, what I would argue, more unambiguous, though subtly significant references to water, heat, and washing, elements which later appear in Jon’s dream:
Maester Aemon paused, washcloth in hand. "The Horn of Winter is an ancient legend. Does the King-beyond-the-Wall truly believe that such a thing exists?"
"They all do," said Jon. "Ygritte said they opened a hundred graves… graves of kings and heroes, all over the valley of the Milkwater, but they never…"
Obviously, the washcloth is being used here to clean Jon’s wounds, but on a sensory level, is it that far away from bathing? Particularly if your mind is already addled by pain and milk of the poppy… So, if this imagery is foreshadowing to some extent what occurs later in Jon’s dream, then we are currently in the hot springs, since Jon is feeling:
"[…] warm water" on his skin, the sensation of being "washed" or bathed.
And what happens next for Jon? A feeling of being accused, of shame, of confusion, and of having made a possibly irredeemable mistake:
"Who is Ygritte?" Donal Noye asked pointedly.
"A woman of the free folk." How could he explain Ygritte to them? She’s warm and smart and funny and she can kiss a man or slit his throat. "She’s with Styr, but she’s not… she’s young, only a girl, in truth, wild, but she…" She killed a man for building a fire. His tongue felt thick and clumsy. The milk of the poppy was clouding his wits. "I broke my vows with her. I never meant to, but…" It was wrong. Wrong to love her, wrong to leave her… “I wasn’t strong enough. The Halfhand commanded me, ride with them, watch, I must not balk, I…" His head felt as if it were packed with wet wool.
This little passage especially feels pretty evocative of the interaction between Manfred and the chamois hunter, at least in terms of the emotional and sensory notes being struck:
Asking of a Question, Tinged with Accusation:
1) Donal Noye asked pointedly, 2) How could he explain […] to them? -> What dost thou mean? […] (II, i, 23)
A Reminder of Youth, Inexperience, Innocence etc:
[…] she’s young, only a girl -> When we were in our youth (II, i, 26)
Confusion Mounting and Senses Wandering -> A Preclude to Recollection of Trauma:
His tongue felt thick and clumsy -> 1) Thy senses wander from thee! (II, i, 23), 2) Man of strange words (II, i, 31)
Cloud Imagery Connected to Obscuring/Preventing Something:
The milk of the poppy was clouding his wits -> […] but still it rises up / Colouring the clouds that shut me out from heaven (II, i, 29–30)
Love Unintended with an Undercurrent of Wrongness:
"I broke my vows with her. I never meant to, but…" It was wrong. Wrong to love her, wrong to leave her… -> And we loved each other as we should not love; (II, i, 27)
Self-Condemnation and Sin Committed:
Wrong to love her, wrong to leave her… "I wasn't strong enough […]" -> Colouring the clouds that shut me out from heaven, / Where thou art not – and I shall never be. (II, i, 29–30)
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(Manfred et Astarte, Henri Fantin-Latour, 1881)
But moving swiftly on, next we come to quite an interesting moment where Jon’s wound is cauterised, accompanied by imagery that, to me at least, reads… well, for Jon it most likely feels like an assault, even though it’s a medical invention meant to help him. Nevertheless, it is a moment that comes across as fairly unsettling:
Maester Aemon sniffed Jon’s wound again. Then he put the bloody cloth back in the basin and said, "Donal, the hot knife, if you please. I shall need you to hold him still."
I will not scream, Jon told himself when he saw the blade glowing red hot. But he broke that vow as well. Donal Noye held him down, while Clydas helped the maester’s hand. Jon did not move, except to pound his fist against the table, again and again and again. The pain was so huge he felt small and weak and helpless inside it, a child whimpering in the dark. Ygritte, he thought, when the stench of burning flesh was in his nose and his own shriek echoing in his ears. But then the iron touched him once again, and he fainted.
Looking more closely at this scene, what is the significance of these painful descriptions? In quite a visceral way, I'd argue that the above touches on previously introduced themes of blood, water and heat (as noted in Part 3), the temperature now building — not just "warm" but "ret hot," Jon's sensory triggers accumulating and intensifying.
Moreover, we have the recurrence of a failure to suppress, as expressed through Jon's screams and his pounding at the table. We also once more get this mention of childhood, again laying the foundation for the following dream state he enters, also involving the abovementioned Ygritte, to be likewise within that specific past. This dream setting consequently and subtly belies a purposely obscured memory from said childhood... or at least, that's what I think!
Like Jon's pain, this recollection is "so huge," it is no inconsequential thing, and though his fists pound "again and again and again" to combat the pain of it, the action might as well be knocking against the once tightly closed doors of his memory instead...
This passage ultimately ends with Jon fainting, and when he awakes, the pain of his suppression, his resistence, has passed. This movement from one state to another is arguably reflected in the imagery which subsequently follows it:
When his eyelids fluttered open, he was wrapped in thick wool and floating. He could not seem to move, but that did not matter. For a time he dreamed that Ygritte was with him, tending him with gentle hands. Finally he closed his eyes and slept.
The feelings of distress are no longer, however, the water imagery remains, most notably with the inclusion of the word "floating." Once more, Ygritte makes an appearance, ostensibly to offer comfort. And yet this characterisation of Ygritte, this association between her and a gentle touch, feels rather at odds with her behaviour as exhibited in Jon’s previous chapter:
Ygritte had looked so angry he thought she was about to strike him. "All of us," she said. "You too. You’re no crow now, Jon Snow. I swore you weren’t, so you better not be." She pushed him back against the trunk of a tree and kissed him, full on the lips right there in the midst of the ragged column. – ASOS, Jon V
Previously in this post, I linked some metas that have discussed the ways in which certain descriptions of Ygritte evoke a rather different character that the gentle, comforting figure that Jon seems to call out for and dream of in the above passages. Indeed, Jon’s change in perception shifts towards something far more romantic when he actively, though unconsciously, makes the decision to search for certain traits which he finds attractive… traits that are strongly connected to... his half-sister (though actually cousin) Sansa:
Lately, though, he was noticing some other things. When she grinned, the crooked teeth didn't seem to matter. And maybe her eyes were too far apart, but they were a pretty blue-grey colour, and lively as any eyes he knew. Sometimes she sang in a low husky voice that stirred him. And sometimes by the cookfire when she sat hugging her knees with the flames waking echoes in her red hair, and looked at him, just smiling… well, that stirred some things as well. – ASOS, Jon II
Ygritte, as illustrated by the Jon POV prior to ASOS, Jon VI, is not especially gentle, nor is she exactly "young, only a girl, in truth." She is young, yes, but also very much a "woman grown" by Westerosi standards, and Jon (and the reader) very much knows this:
Ygritte pushed herself onto an elbow. "I am nineteen, and a spearwife, and kissed by fire. How could I be a maiden?" – ASOS, Jon II
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The aspects of Ygritte Jon dislikes are her harshness and her brutality, which is reflected in the way Jon strangely tries to reshape her into something she isn’t… someone "young, only a girl, in truth" and therefore innocent, unhardened, someone with "gentle hands," etc. Interestingly, the only instance in which she is described as gentle is in this abovementioned moment where she is not actually physically present! Essentially, what I’m getting at is… he may consciously say Ygritte, but subconsciously… I mean, well…
Lady bared her teeth and began to growl, a low rumble full of menace, but this time Sansa silenced the wolf with a gentle hand to the head. – AGOT, Sansa I Some instinct made her lift her hand and cup his cheek with her fingers. – ACOK, Sansa VII Mother take mercy on her. She has a gentle soul. – ASOS, Catelyn VII Lady Catelyn had said that Sansa was a gentle soul who loved lemon cakes, silken gowns, and songs of chivalry, yet the girl had seen her father's head lopped off and been forced to marry one of his killers afterward. – AFFC, Brienne I
This argument — that the aspects of Ygritte that especially attract Jon implicitly reference Sansa — seems to be a rather difficult pill to swallow for some readers who favour the more overt comparisons made between her and Arya. And yet, if we consider GRRM's modus operandi as a writer, this explicit vs. implict referencing technique doesn't seem entirely out of the question:
There are some mysteries in these books. There are some things that I'm gonna reveal later on that I'm planting clues for. There are some later plot twists that I'm foreshadowing. There are things that are gonna happen in Book 5 and Book 6 and Book 7 where I've planted a seed for it in Book 1. But I don't necessarily want to give away my hand. So, what do I do when I plant the seed? Well, I plant the seed, but I try to do a little literary sleight of hand, and while I'm planting the seed, my other hand is up there waving and is distracting you with some flashy bit of wordplay or something that's going on in the foreground, while the seed is being planted in the background. So hopefully the seed is there, the foreshadowing is there, but maybe you won't notice it, because it's surrounded by so many other things. [source]
Unlike Ygritte, Sansa is a "gentle soul" with "gentle hand[s]," but more than that, like Jon presumably, she is also someone who values gentleness, despite her book 1 misguided assertion that "[she] doesn’t want someone brave and gentle, [she] want[s] [Joffrey]," AGOT, Sansa III. Indeed, the value of gentleness, of bravery, of strength, those key attributes Ned prescribes for her future husband, are traits which Sansa comes to appreciate, long for, but more importantly also embody throughout her arc thus far. We see the value Sansa places on being gentle, particularly in the way she regards others, sometimes, in her innocence/naivety, ascribing that trait to them mistakenly:
She had promised herself she would be a lady, gentle as the queen and as strong as her mother, the Lady Catelyn, but all of a sudden she was scared again. – AGOT, Sansa IV
He is no true knight but he saved me all the same, she told the Mother. Save him if you can, and gentle the rage inside him. – ACOK, Sansa V
Margaery was different, though. Sweet and gentle, yet there was a little of her grandmother in her, too. – ASOS, Sansa II
Sansa was wary. "Don’t break it. Be…"
"… gentle?" He smiled. – ASOS, Sansa VII
He was Petyr, her protector, warm and funny and gentle… but he was also Littlefinger, the lord she’d known at King’s Landing, smiling slyly and stroking his beard as he whispered in Queen Cersei’s ear. – AFFC, Sansa I
Just a note on that last quote… I don’t think it’s coincidental that that description of Littlefinger’s duality, his duplicity, strongly parallels Jon’s thoughts on Ygritte: "She’s warm and smart and funny and she can kiss a man or slit his throat," ASOS, Jon VI. Indeed, @agentrouka-blog has talked more about the similarities between Ygritte and Littlefinger here, so do check that out!
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The presence of dreams and nightmares in Jon's chapters, as well as the theme of recollection vs suppression, are extremely striking. This interplay between conscious and subconscious knowledge serves to make Jon one of the most riverting characters in the series, imo, but the big mystery of his character has often been reduced to simply the issue surrounding his true parentage. Indeed, as explored in the previous parts of this meta series, Jon's dreams regularly invite speculation and interest in that very question! But is there another mystery, connected to and complicated by his parentage, that is lurking beneath the murky waters of the godswood hot springs?
[...] while I'm planting the seed, my other hand is up there waving and is distracting you with some flashy bit of wordplay or something that's going on in the foreground, while the seed is being planted in the background.
My thinking is that Jon's freaky godswood dream/nightmare is an example of the above. There is what is happening on the surface, but there is something else entirely going on below...
When the dreams took him, he found himself back home once more, splashing in the hot pools beneath a huge white weirwood that had his father’s face. Ygritte was with him, laughing at him, shedding her skins till she was naked as her name day, trying to kiss him, but he couldn’t, not with his father watching. He was the blood of Winterfell, a man of the Night’s Watch. I will not father a bastard, he told her. I will not. I will not. “You know nothing, Jon Snow,” she whispered, her skin dissolving in the hot water, the flesh beneath sloughing off her bones until only skull and skeleton remained, and the pool bubbled thick and red.
Indeed, where one name is mentioned, might it be that another identity is actually being concealed beneath it, for instance? Might there be a memory embedded within the dream... but what memory? I'll discuss that in more depth in Part 4 (hopefully the final part)!
Finally, I've said it before, but I'll say it again, just because I'm theorising this does not mean that I necessarily want a pre-canon crush/kiss to be true on a moral or personal level 😅 I'm just picking some things up, dusting them off, having a lil look with my critical English Lit student eye and seeing what I find. Now, maybe I'm really reaching with these literary comparisons, maybe, maybe not! But let's not forget one key detail that explicitly connects ASOIAF to Lord Byron's Manfred... why the fuck are there so many Manfred/Manfryds and Byrons littered throughout the text???
Riddle me that! Until next time...😉
Bibliography of Academic Sources:
Assaad, Lara, “'My slumbers—if I slumber—are not sleep’: The Byronic Hero’s Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder”, The Byron Journal 47, no. 2 (2019): 153–163.
Cathy Caruth and Thomas Keenan, ‘“The AIDS Crisis Is Not Over”: A Conversation with Gregg Bordowitz, Douglas Crimp, and Laura Pinsky’, in Trauma: Explorations in Memory, ed. by Cathy Caruth (Baltimore, MD: Johns Hopkins University Press, 1995): 256–72.
Onno Van der Hart and B.A. Van der Kolk, ‘The Intrusive Past: The Flexibility of Memory and the Engraving of Trauma’, in Trauma: Explorations in Memory, ed. by Cathy Caruth (Baltimore, MD: Johns Hopkins University Press, 1995): 158–82.
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Moonmaid is came in Jon, Jaime and Arianne chapters. With Jon it's about stealing a girl, with Jaime it's about saving a maid and with Arianne it's about crowning a girl who she took away with her.
That is definitely an interesting set of references to the Moonmaid, anon. It all feels very Girl in Grey/Jonsa reunion, doesn’t it? 👀
Here’s the initial mention in a Jon POV:
We look up at the same stars, and see such different things. The King's Crown was the Cradle, to hear her tell it; the Stallion was the Horned Lord; the red wanderer that septons preached was sacred to their Smith up here was called the Thief. And when the Thief was in the Moonmaid, that was a propitious time for a man to steal a woman, Ygritte insisted. "Like the night you stole me. The Thief was bright that night."
"I never meant to steal you," he said. "I never knew you were a girl until my knife was at your throat." (ASOS, Jon III)
Here’s Jaime’s:
Jaime lay on his back afterward, staring at the night sky, trying not to feel the pain that snaked up his right arm every time he moved it. The night was strangely beautiful. The moon was a graceful crescent, and it seemed as though he had never seen so many stars. The King's Crown was at the zenith, and he could see the Stallion rearing, and there the Swan. The Moonmaid, shy as ever, was half-hidden behind a pine tree. How can such a night be beautiful? he asked himself. Why would the stars want to look down on such as me?
"Jaime," Brienne whispered, so faintly he thought he was dreaming it. "Jaime, what are you doing?" (ASOS, Jaime IV)
The Arianne quote:
The moon had crowned the Moonmaid as they set out from the dust-dry ruins of Shandystone, striking south and west. Arianne and Ser Arys took the lead, with Myrcella on a frisky mare between them. Garin followed close behind with Spotted Sylva, whilst her two Dornish knights took the rear. We are seven, Arianne realized as they rode. She had not thought of that before, but it seemed a good omen for their cause. Seven riders on their way to glory. One day the singers will make all of us immortal. Drey had wanted a larger party, but that might have attracted unwelcome attention, and every additional man doubled the risk of betrayal. That much my father taught me, at the least. (AFFC, The Queenmaker)
I haven’t paid enough attention to the discussion of stars/constellations to offer real insight, but I did find these quotes that, if we’re running with the girl in grey theory are pretty interesting:
“I might be. I never knew my mother, or what became of her. Maybe I was born too big and killed her. Most like she was some whore or tavern girl. You don't find highborn ladies down in Flea Bottom. And if she ever wed my father . . . well, what became of him , then?" Dunk did not like to be reminded of his life before Ser Arlan found him. "There was a pot shop in King's Landing where I used to sell them rats and cats and pigeons for the brown. The cook always claimed my father was some thief or cutpurse. 'Most like I saw him hanged,' he used to tell me, 'but maybe they just sent him to the Wall.' When I was squiring for Ser Arlan, I would ask him if we couldn't go up that way someday, to take service at Winterfell or some other northern castle. I had this notion that if I could only reach the Wall, might be I'd come on some old man, a real tall man who looked like me. We never went, though. Ser Arlan said there were no hedges in the north, and all the woods were full of wolves." He shook his head. "The long and short of it is, most like you're squiring for a bastard."
For once Egg had nothing to say. The gloom was deepening around them. Lantern bugs moved slowly through the trees, their little lights like so many drifting stars. There were stars in the sky as well, more stars than any man could ever hope to count, even if he lived to be as old as King Jaehaerys. Dunk need only lift his eyes to find familiar friends: the Stallion and the Sow, the King's Crown and the Crone's Lantern, the Galley, Ghost, and Moonmaid. But there were clouds to the north, and the blue eye of the Ice Dragon was lost to him, the blue eye that pointed north. (The Sworn Sword)
Obviously, this isn’t a strictly Sansa thing, but there are several references to using the blue eye of the ice dragon to go North/to the Wall…
  "Osha," Bran asked as they crossed the yard. "Do you know the way north? To the Wall and . . . and even past?"
"The way's easy. Look for the Ice Dragon, and chase the blue star in the rider's eye." She backed through a door and started up the winding steps.  (ACOK, Bran V)
 No roads ran through the twisted mountain valleys where they walked now. Between the grey stone peaks lay still blue lakes, long and deep and narrow, and the green gloom of endless piney woods. The russet and gold of autumn leaves grew less common when they left the wolfswood to climb amongst the old flint hills, and vanished by the time those hills had turned to mountains. Giant grey-green sentinels loomed above them now, and spruce and fir and soldier pines in endless profusion. The undergrowth was sparse beneath them, the forest floor carpeted in dark green needles.
When they lost their way, as happened once or twice, they need only wait for a clear cold night when the clouds did not intrude, and look up in the sky for the Ice Dragon. The blue star in the dragon's eye pointed the way north, as Osha told him once.  (ASOS, Bran II)
 Thunder rumbled softly in the distance, but above him the clouds were breaking up. Jon searched the sky until he found the Ice Dragon, then turned the mare north for the Wall and Castle Black. The throb of pain in his thigh muscle made him wince as he put his heels into the old man's horse. I am going home, he told himself. But if that was true, why did he feel so hollow?
He rode till dawn, while the stars stared down like eyes. (ASOS, Jon V)
So, it’s possible the idea of following the stars will come up in a Sansa chapter and Jonsas have speculated. I’m thinking @fedonciadale was the one who came up with the theory that Jon may rescue Sansa while she’s fleeing Ramsay in the woods. None of us want Sansa to have a brush with that monster, but the idea of stealing a woman has always seemed like something that would come up in a positive way in a Jon chapter, and such a rescue would work with a loose translation of “stealing.” All these references to the Thief in the Moonmaid would work as a build up to a pivotal point in the series if it were to make an appearance during this scene. Martin even brought up again in ADWD:
   "No," said Jon. "Bring them. I have a use for them."
They had no moon to guide them home, and only now and then a patch of stars. The world was black and white and still. It was a long, slow, endless trek. The snow clung to their boots and breeches, and the wind rattled the pines and made their cloaks snap and swirl. Jon glimpsed the red wanderer above, watching them through the leafless branches of great trees as they made their way beneath. The Thief, the free folk called it. The best time to steal a woman was when the Thief was in the Moonmaid, Ygritte had always claimed. She never mentioned the best time to steal a giant. Or two dead men.
It was almost dawn before they saw the Wall again. (ADWD, Jon VII)
A moment when Jon successfully rescues a Stark girl feels inevitable because of how Martin likes to have the text talk to itself with patterns, parallels and contrasts, and Jon rescuing a Stark girl is a positive version of R/L (abduction).  Fedonciadale has speculated that the rescue may happen while Jon is warged into Ghost, and we have an interesting little tidbit about Ghostie near the raven calling out “thief”.
 It was still dark when Jon returned to his chambers behind the armory. Ghost was not yet back, he saw. Still hunting. The big white direwolf was gone more oft than not of late, ranging farther and farther in search of prey. Between the men of the Watch and the wildlings down in Mole's Town, the hills and fields near Castle Black had been hunted clean, and there had been little enough game to begin with. Winter is coming, Jon reflected. And soon, too soon. He wondered if they would ever see a spring.
Dolorous Edd made the trek to the kitchens and soon was back with a tankard of brown ale and a covered platter. Under the lid Jon discovered three duck's eggs fried in drippings, a strip of bacon, two sausages, a blood pudding, and half a loaf of bread still warm from the oven. He ate the bread and half an egg. He would have eaten the bacon too, but the raven made off with it before he had the chance. "Thief," Jon said, as the bird flapped up to the lintel above the door to devour its prize.
"Thief," the raven agreed. (ADWD, Jon VIII)
This quote made me squint because the raven is just repeating the word, it’s innocuous becuase it often does, except, several of the more famous raven lines are about Jon’s identity and the most popular of those happens in ADWD:
The day had come. It was the hour of the wolf. Soon enough the sun would rise, and four thousand wildlings would come pouring through the Wall. Madness. Jon Snow ran his burned hand through his hair and wondered once again what he was doing. Once the gate was opened there would be no turning back. It should have been the Old Bear to treat with Tormund. It should have been Jaremy Rykker or Qhorin Halfhand or Denys Mallister or some other seasoned man. It should have been my uncle. It was too late for such misgivings, though. Every choice had its risks, every choice its consequences. He would play the game to its conclusion.
He rose and dressed in darkness, as Mormont's raven muttered across the room. "Corn," the bird said, and, "King," and, "Snow, Jon Snow, Jon Snow." That was queer. The bird had never said his full name before, as best Jon could recall. (ADWD, Jon XII)
 We don’t need the raven shouting “thief” at Jon to mean anything, Jonsas have talked a lot about how Bael the Bard features prominently in Jon’s and Sansa’s story so there’s ample reason to believe that one way or the other, he will “steal” (rescue) her, but, this section felt familiar and that’s for two reasons. First, Martin started referring to girls as “prizes” a lot and here are some interesting quotes about that:
He glanced at the letter again. I will save your sister if I can. A surprisingly tender sentiment from Stannis, though undercut by that final, brutal if I can and the addendum and find a better match for her than Ramsay Snow. But what if Arya was not there to be saved? What if Lady Melisandre's flames had told it true? Could his sister truly have escaped such captors? How would she do that? Arya was always quick and clever, but in the end she's just a little girl, and Roose Bolton is not the sort who would be careless with a prize of such great worth.
What if Bolton never had his sister? (ADWD, Jon VII)
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 "Beyond the Wall."
Septon Cellador sucked in his breath. "The king's prize. His Grace will be most wroth to find her gone."
"Val will return." Before Stannis, if the gods are good. (ADWD, Jon VIII)
and
Jon sighed. He was weary of explaining that Val was no true princess. No matter how often he told them, they never seemed to hear. "You are persistent, Ser Axell, I grant you that."
"Do you blame me, my lord? Such a prize is not easily won. A nubile girl, I hear, and not hard to look upon. Good hips, good breasts, well made for whelping children." (ADWD, Jon X)
Hhhmmmm…Bolton never had Arya, but the theory is, Ramsay could be pursuing Sansa in the woods, and Sansa is kinda a princess… and we’re getting references to Jon as king and now a “princess” as the king’s prize...nothing solid, but it is all very interesting! Especially when we think about this passage:
His eyes stung. Jon rubbed at them savagely, cursing the smoke. He swallowed another gulp of wine and watched his direwolf devour the chicken.
Dogs moved between the tables, trailing after the serving girls. One of them, a black mongrel bitch with long yellow eyes, caught a scent of the chicken. She stopped and edged under the bench to get a share. Jon watched the confrontation. The bitch growled low in her throat and moved closer. Ghost looked up, silent, and fixed the dog with those hot red eyes. The bitch snapped an angry challenge. She was three times the size of the direwolf pup. Ghost did not move. He stood over his prize and opened his mouth, baring his fangs. The bitch tensed, barked again, then thought better of this fight. She turned and slunk away, with one last defiant snap to save her pride. Ghost went back to his meal. (AGOT, Jon I)
Idk anon, you may be onto something!
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jonsameta · 2 years
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Robert B and Tyrion are similar in many aspects. Both are drunkard who loved whoring, crude and abusive, Robert raped Cersei while Tyrion think about raping her, slapped Joffery for his stupidity and blame Cersei for his upbringing, obsessed with their first love, obsessed with Stark girls who were married/bethroted to them and rejected them for Targs(Rhaegar and Jon), strained relationship with siblings, penchant for violence etc.
Hah! Thank you, anon, I love it!
Robert -> Tyrion
Both are self-indulgent and deflect their own culpabilities and responsibility, both indeed react with vicious violence against women when their pride is attacked. Both seek distraction and ego-boosting in the service of prostitutes, whom they use without respect. Both turn to alcohol.
Stannis -> Cersei and Renly -> Jaime
Both have messy siblings: a resentful one with a loathsome spouse and penchant for fire, and a jovial one who hides a secret love affair and is friends with Brienne.
Jon Arryn -> Tywin
Both have father figures who are Hand of the King and are murdered.
The murder of Elia and her children -> the Red Wedding
Both are willing to overlook horrific crimes so long as they benefit.
Ned-Jon Snow -> Jaime-Tysha
Both have best friends who hide a significant secret about their first wife/betrothed.
Though I would amend some of it a little, because I don't think the Sansa-Lyanna parallel works:
Robert-Lyanna-Rhaegar -> Tyrion-Tysha-Tywin.
The wife/betrothed is "stolen" by an antagonist, whom the character later kills in revenge for this specific reason. Both characters ignore that they themselves weren't exactly heroic toward the wife/betrothed. Both remain obsessed with the girl.
Robert-Cersei-Jaime -> Tyrion-Sansa-Jon.
Both have wives that were originally expecting to marry someone else and who neither want nor love them. Both characters sexually molest/rape their wives and consort with prostitutes. Both wives betray their husbands without their knowledge.
Robert's wife has an affair with her brother, a knight in a celibate order sworn to protect. Both Cersei's and Sansa's brothers have influential relationships with "ugly" versions of their sister. (Brienne v. Ygritte - complete foils, though.) Both brothers confront contradictory vows and loyalties, and have significant hand injuries.
Tywin -> Littlefinger
After her husband dies, Cersei's father wants to marry her to another man, which doesn't end up happening. Littlefinger is waiting for confirmation of Tyrion's death and making plans for Sansa's marital future. Something tells me he'll end up dying instead.
Both husbands come back to life, in a way, to protect their wives.
Robert -> Ser Robert the Strong
Tyrion -> is not actually dead and will return to Westeros
Which actually also mirrors Dany
Drogo -> Drogon
All three are revenant husbands are bad news.
It's not a perfect parallel but there's actually a lot more than I expected for two characters that seem very different on the surface!
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