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strawberrystar7 · 7 months

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Sorry I’m not sure if that was clear but I’m not just backing my claim that Lila is not Manon up on Lila’s skin color and those other people’s comments. I’ve given some other reasons in my last comment in screenshot 8. Like the thing with Bunnix or the fact that Chris doesn’t have a crush on Manon. The last comment was me kinda referring the video but not directly. I did leave a direct response to the video creator in the comment section tho but it’s just mostly the same things as what I’ve also told green:

See mostly the same as what I wrote in screenshot 8 of the conversation I’ve had with blue and green.

This is one of the weirdest conversations I’ve ever had about a Miraculous theory.

(Purple is me)

I mean come on… Lila… is Manon? That makes absolutely 0 sense.

Come one a deleted scene? Those scenes are deleted for a reason… They are not canon. Also Chris doesn’t even have a crush on Manon. That’s something out of fanfiction…

Plus there’s the age gap. Well green did later on give the explanation that Lila is Manon from the future. So time travel but that still makes no sense and I’ll go into more detail about that later on.

There was a deleted comment in which green called me brainless simply because I didn’t believe that Lila was future Manon. The comment got deleted tho which is why it’s not in this screenshot. It would have been between comment 2 and 3 of screenshot 3.

The photo green is referring to is this picture:

Lila/Cerise has a picture of Nadja Chamack on her investigation board in the Episode Collusion. Like how is that any proof? We know of Lila that she wants to be famous and we also know that Nadja Chamak is a famous reporter. So why would Nadja not somehow be involved in Lila’s plans to get what she wants?

And here’s green again insulting me. I think that must be the 3rd time green did that in this conversation.

Also my sleep deprived brain forgot that printed photos exist at the time I wrote that comment (the last one in screenshot 5). That’s why I assumed green meant Lila had a phone of Nadja on her phone. But to be fair I did not expect for green to mean the photo on the investigation board. I mean if Lila was Manon and Nadja was her mother you’d expect for Lila to have a framed picture or a picture in her phone. Something personal… not something so impersonal as a picture on an investigation board.

Well I don’t really have anything to say about this screenshot. There I am back at it again with the phone thing. That was my mistake. Other than that it really felt like green was making stuff up. Turns out that at least the thing with the picture was real… but still that’s hardly anything to prove this theory with.

Well nothing to say about that. I was just asking for more information. Tho still green keeps making it out like as if the picture of Nadja on Lila/Cerise’s investigation board had any importance. Like I can tell other more likely reasons on why it would be there. Like I said Lila wants fame. At least that seemed to be the case judging by her behavior. And well Nadja is a famous reporter in Paris. Getting famous would be so easy if Lila could somehow manage to get Nadja on her side (which would explain on why Nadja’s on that board).

This is the video green is talking about (I can’t link the video for some reason so here’s a screenshot):

Safe to say that even after watching this video the theory still makes no sense and the reason why is in my last comment.

I mean come on Lila/Cerise and Manon have different skin tones. You can’t change your skin color. Sure you can change your hair thanks to wigs, haircuts and hair dye and you can change eye color thanks to colored contact lenses but you can’t change your skin color. Manon has darker skin than Lila does…

#miraculous #miraculous ladybug #mlb #lila rossi #manon chamack #mlb s5 collusion

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strawberrystar7 · 7 months

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Plus here are some more explanation on why this theory doesn’t quite work out. I found these explanations in the comment section beneath Cartoon Worldz! video.

This is one of the weirdest conversations I’ve ever had about a Miraculous theory.

(Purple is me)

I mean come on… Lila… is Manon? That makes absolutely 0 sense.

Come one a deleted scene? Those scenes are deleted for a reason… They are not canon. Also Chris doesn’t even have a crush on Manon. That’s something out of fanfiction…

The photo green is referring to is this picture:

And here’s green again insulting me. I think that must be the 3rd time green did that in this conversation.

This is the video green is talking about (I can’t link the video for some reason so here’s a screenshot):

Safe to say that even after watching this video the theory still makes no sense and the reason why is in my last comment.

#miraculous #miraculous ladybug #miraculous tales of ladybug and chat noir #mlb #lila rossi #manon chamack #mlb s5 collusion

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strawberrystar7 · 7 months

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This is one of the weirdest conversations I’ve ever had about a Miraculous theory.

(Purple is me)

I mean come on… Lila… is Manon? That makes absolutely 0 sense.

Come one a deleted scene? Those scenes are deleted for a reason… They are not canon. Also Chris doesn’t even have a crush on Manon. That’s something out of fanfiction…

The photo green is referring to is this picture:

And here’s green again insulting me. I think that must be the 3rd time green did that in this conversation.

This is the video green is talking about (I can’t link the video for some reason so here’s a screenshot):

Safe to say that even after watching this video the theory still makes no sense and the reason why is in my last comment.

#miraculous #miraculous ladybug #mlb #lila rossi #mlb cerise #mlb who is Lila Rossi?#manon chamack #mlb collusion #mlb s5 collusion

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strawberrystar7 · 8 months

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Wait this is what Shadybug and Re-Verse Marinette look like? Ngl she looks like as if Juleka had chosen the clothes for her 😂

Source: https://newsroom.disney.fr/assets/bulletin-disney-channel-et-disney-junior-octobre-2023-pdf-8157-dc71f.html

#miraculous #miraculous ladybug #mlb #shadybug #mlb shadybug and claw noir special #mlb paris special #miraculous world shadybug and claw noir

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strawberrystar7 · 8 months

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adrien: if i so much as touch marinette with one inch of my body i will surely lose every one of my scooter ride privileges and never again be considered a gentleman look she's already so nervous it must be scary driving i must sit as properly as possible it's fine it's not so bad my arms are almost long enough to hang onto the sides of my seat like this

marinette: if we hit one bump in the road i'm going to faceplant into the basket and adrien is going to fly into the sun seriously he isn't even holding onto anything why isn't he holding onto anything does he have that much faith in my driving or does he not want to hold onto me oh god was that a bump in the road just now i'm focusing i'm focusing i'm focusi

#I keep seeing posts about this specific scene all over on every single social media plattform and it gets me everytime.#The way he sits is just so ridiculous. Why is he so stiff? He looks like a cardboard cutout.#miraculous ladybug #ml action #ml spoilers #miraculous #mlb #adrien agreste #marinette dupain cheng #mlb action #mlb spoilers #mlb s5 spoilers #ml season 5 spoilers #MLB S5 Ep Action

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strawberrystar7 · 8 months

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Exactly. Plus it just doesn’t make sense even if you look at it from a different angle. Everyone who’s close to Adrien is at Adrien’s party, his girlfriend (Marinette), his classmates and friends (including Luka and Zoé), his cousin (Félix), his cousin’s girlfriend (Kagami), Nathalie and even Jagged Stone (Luka’s and Juleka’s father) and Penny Roling (Jagged’s assistant) are there. So by all means it would make sense that his Aunt (Fèlix’ mother) would be there and yet we only ever see one of the twins at Adrien’s party. If that is Emelie then where is Amelie? Plus why would Emelie wear black? It’s been consistently shown that Emelie wears always white and Amelie always wears black. Other than that you’ve pretty much captured the main reason on why it just doesn’t make sense to be Emelie (or rather why it would be bad if Emelie was back). There is this whole equal sacrifice rule after all which you pretty much included when you said to save both Emelie and Nathalie Gabriel would have had to sacrifice someone else. Plus even if Gabriel would have killed himself and sacrificed someone else there still would be the need for a 3rd sacrifice because it was literally stated that Gabriel has a few hours to live at most. Marinette even said that her Miraculous can’t change the effects of the cataclysm and the broken peacock Miraculous which means the Miraculous Cure is useless for that. So you have a nearly dead man sacrificing his life for 2 comatose women? How is that equal in anyway? It would take 2 healthy people as a sacrifice to save those lives. Or you sacrifice the conscious but near dead Gabriel and the comatose Emelie (who would otherwise have a normal lifespan if it wasn’t for the magic coma) (basically combining those 2 lives into 1) to save the life of the comatose/dead Nathalie. (Emelie seems to be comatose but Nathalie seems to be different. She looks deathly sick unlike Emelie who just looks like she’s sleeping peacefully. Emelie definitely seems to be in a coma otherwise Gabriel wouldn’t have been so worried when there were energy problems during the party in season 3 but I’m not so sure if Nathalie is also in a coma or if her case may be even worse (death) because she used the Miraculous more frequently than Emelie did.)

If Emilie is back…

…then it’s really bad writing.

I love the show and I’m not trying to be salty. I generally try to understand what story the show / film / book is trying to tell instead of being angry that it doesn’t tell the story I want to hear. Usually even rather bad fiction somehow points to the direction the story is taking, so when it isn’t the case, I mean when the resolution isn’t somehow signalled before, I’d call it bad writing.

This is the case with Emilie supposedly being back in the finale. (I don’t think she’s back.)

The whole show is based on the premise that Hawk Moth is a villain. If Emilie is back, that means Hawk Moth’s goal was actually a good idea. And that means Ladybug shouldn’t have fought him. And that means Ladybug is in fact… a villain? That’s ridiculous, utterly ridiculous.

Even just before making the wish Gabriel manipulates Marinette and stabs her in the back, taking advantage of her kindness. Is that an action of a good, redeemed person?

In season 5 Adrien is considering making a wish for a few seconds (Passion). But he decides against it, because it would mean someone else would fall ill like Nathalie and become evil like Monarch. So again the heroes are shown to be vehemently against the wish and Monarch’s goal. But if Emilie’s back, they must be wrong, right?

In two instances when Adrien sees Emilie’s body (Chat Blanc, Ephemeral), he’s severely distressed. He misses his mother, but he doesn’t want to bring her back.

We’re also shown Emilie’s own opinion thanks to her recordings. She says Gabriel should accept her death and focus on Adrien. So bringing back Emilie goes against her own will. Why should we be shown this, if Emilie being back is the show’s goal?

It’s not just Emilie who believed that—we also see Nathalie, who was faithful to Gabriel to the point of risking her own life, changing her mind and listening to Emilie.

What’s more, we must remember it’s not just Emilie who’s supposedly back. Nathalie’s back for sure. Gabriel might’ve sacrificed himself for Emilie, but whoever fell terminally ill or died for Nathalie didn’t do it willingly. That means Gabriel killed someone to get her back. I hope I don’t have to explain how wrong it is.

If someone had to die for Nathalie, why shouldn’t Gabriel sacrifice someone for Emilie and himself too? What’s the difference? Why should he kill himself if he could live?

We are shown again and again that bringing Emilie back is bad, but there’s nothing that even in an imperfect way is saying that it might be a good idea.

If Emilie is back and in season 6 the heroes must undo it, it’s also very disturbing. Because Emilie isn’t guilty of the wish and Adrien would have to lose his mother again, as if his life wasn’t terrible enough. And do the heroes have the moral right to kill Nathalie to bring back whoever died for her?

And if Emilie is back and the show treats it as a good resolution, it means that Howk Moth was right all along and Ladybug and Chat Noir should’ve just given up their Miraculous in Origins. Sure, back then Nathalie wasn’t dying and Gabriel wanted to kill some random person to bring back his wife… but if both Emilie and Nathalie are back now, someone besides Gabriel still had to die anyway.

#miraculous ladybug #ml season 5 #ml season 5 finale #ml spoilers #ml analysis #gabriel agreste #emilie agreste #nathalie sancoeur #adrien agreste #miraculous #mlb #mlb analysis #mlb season 5

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strawberrystar7 · 8 months

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Ngl I am kinda jealous. I’m not from the USA so I don’t have access to the movie Ladybug & Cat Noir on Netflix. You guys can just watch it as many times as you want. We had a movie theater release of the movie in the country I live in, starting in the beginning of July. I went to the movie theaters on the first weekend the movie was out and it was nice. Don’t get me wrong, watching a movie in a movie theater on those massive screens is great. The movie was nice too. The animation was great and I loved the songs but I did have a few problems with the writing. I felt like it was a bit rushed in a sense. Not in the way that they took too little time to write the story but I felt like they put too much into the movie. I felt like some things should have been kept out and put in a second movie so that they could focus more on specific details without having to neglect other stuff. I did like the overall story and how it was portrayed, tho there was something about how Gabriel was handled that I didn’t like.

Gabriel couldn’t get himself to hurt his own son. Yes this makes him a more sympathetic father figure compared to the show but I feel like someone who would go so far to hurt an entire city for selfish reasons would also hurt their own family. The fact he didn’t just goes against everything I know and have experienced myself. And yes, I know that Gabriel in the beginning of the movie didn’t want to terrorize Paris but the thing here is that he got more and more corrupt the more he used the Miraculous. Someone who falls into that kind of corruption will eventually hurt their own loved ones. Maybe in the beginning he wouldn’t hurt his son but I feel like by the end of the movie he would have fallen down so far into this hole of corruption where his love for his son would not be enough to make him stop wanting to pursue his goals.

Anyway, Gabriel aside and while I do think the movie has it’s issues I also I think the movie is good. Maybe not the greatest but I think it’s good. I have to admit that while I had enjoyed watching the movie in the movie theaters back then I wish I could just open Netflix and watch the movie whenever I want. The only way for me to watch this movie legally for a second time would be to either go to the cinema again (the city I live in still has viewings of this movie) or to wait until they publish the movie for home video and streaming in my country but that usually takes a couple of months after the movie stopped airing in theaters. I mean there still are viewings of the movie at the movie theater in my city so I could technically go and watch it again but that would cost me around 10€ just for a one time viewing of the movie. It’s just not cost efficient. Homevideo or streaming would mean I either pay a monthly fee of around 10-12€ (streaming) or a onetime payment (DVD/Bluray) and could watch the movie as many times I want. So yeah… I’m kinda jealous of Americans since they have the Movie on Netflix. Idk I just want to rewatch the movie since there are some details that I simply can’t appreciate in the movie theater because you can’t exactly pause or rewind a movie in a theater.

#ladybug & cat noir: the movie #miraculous movie #ngl I’m jealous of Americans since you guys can watch the movie as many times as you want.#Wish Netflix in my country had the movie but it doesn’t.#You are lucky to have the movie on Netflix USA.#miraculous #ladybug & cat noir awakening

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strawberrystar7 · 8 months

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Ah yes… that one time in the Season 3 Episode Chameleon when Lila turned into an Oyster…. Pretty sure she died in that moment. And Ladybug looks so proud too. Meanwhile Chat Noir looks like he’s sad or uncomfortable or something like that. Good thing the Miraculous cure exists then. Otherwise she would have stayed dead.

Lol maybe this is Lila’s real villain origin story 😂

Idk kinda wish she would have stayed dead tho. Paris would be better off without her. But well it would be a bad look for the heroes if they kept her dead.

remember that time lila was an oyster and got cracked open. hey guys. remmeber that time lila. was an oyster. and got cracked open? remember when that happened? does anyone else ever just remember things that happened in this show and lose your mind a little bit

also: chat noir's face as it was happening

#the original tags seem to imply that opening an oyster kills them…#I did a quick google search to verify and this seems to be true.#Cracking the shell of an oyster open causes the death of most types of oysters.#Not all but definitely most…#so I guess this means Lila died back then.#Miraculous #Miraculous Ladybug #Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug & Cat Noir #mlb #Lila Rossi #ml chameleon #mlb episode chameleon

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strawberrystar7 · 8 months

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There’s 3 types of stopping an Akuma and here’s how:

How I see it there are 3 types of stopping an Akuma. Maybe 4 if you want to be very exact to the tiniest detail but I categorized 2 of them in 1 category because I think they are close enough. This does not include defeating the Akuma and cleansing it with the Ladybug Miraculous.

People oftentimes argue that Chloé has been the very first character to resist an Akuma when others bring up Alya as the first to reject an Akuma but that’s the thing. She was the first to resist an Akuma’s influence but she wasn’t the first to reject an Akuma and she was not the first to repel an Akuma. People tend to treat all of these the same but I think they are different cases and categories.

Now this may be a bit confusing without knowing what I mean by the categories repulsion, resistance and rejection so here are my explanations as to what these categories are supposed to mean and include. (If anyone has better fitting names for the categories I am open for suggestions. Those were the best fitting ones I could come up with but they may not match like I wanted to).

1. Repulsion:

What do I mean by repulsion? Well usually this includes instances where an Akuma does not touch an object and therefore gets repelled.

Examples for this are: Su-Han’s mantra in the season 4 episode Furious Fu. Or that time in the season 3 episode Chameleon where Marinette calmed down before the Akuma could touch her belongings. But I also include instances like in the season 5 episode Revolution where Mister Damocles almost gets akumatized but because of his students encouragment he gets courage again which results in the magical charm manifesting as a shield allowing him to cleanse the Akuma before it could touch anything. But then there is the instance in the season 5 episode Collusion where Miss Bustier manages to cleanse an Akuma through meditation (at least I am assuming that was some form of meditation technique). Yes an object of hers got touched by the Akuma so technically it’s a bit different compared to the other instances but it’s also kinda similar to Damocles case since the Akuma got cleansed so I’d still count it as repelling.

So generally we can summarize this category with characters and instances where characters have calmed down before an Akuma could touch them or when they have cleansed the Akuma. (Those are actually the 2 sub-categories which I have categorized in one category because to me cleansing an Akuma and stopping the Akuma before getting touched are both ways of repelling an Akuma to me.)

There is a bit of a side effect to this tho. While in some cases the Akumas do get cleansed because of meditation or the magical charms, it can also happen that an Akuma instead gets redirected to the next victim because the Akuma hasn’t been cleansed.

2. Resistance

What do I mean by resitance? Well usually this includes instances where an Akuma does manage to touch an object but the target managed to resist the temptation and offer of power. However the Akuma doesn’t get cleansed.

Examples for this are: Chloé Bourgeois resists getting turned into an Akuma Villain even after the Akuma touching her picture by rejecting the temptation and Hawk Moth’s offer for power in the season 3 episode Miraculer. Or Félix Fathom when he resisted getting turned into an Villain even after the Akuma touched his stuff simply by rejecting Shadow Moth’s offer (and Senti!Gabriel’s threats) in the season 4 episode Gabriel Agreste.

However because the Akumas don’t get cleansed they just target a new victim so someone else gets turned into an Akuma instead.

3. Rejection

What do I mean by rejection? Well usually this includes instances where an Akuma manages to akumatize the target and fall under some semblance of mind control (since Akuma Villains do tend to act in a way the target would never have acted like without the Akumas influence). However the target eventually manages to break free from that control and manages to deakumatize themselves.

Examples for this are: Alya Césaire in the season 4 episode Gang of Secrets, when Alya managed to break free and turn herself back from Lady Wifi into Alya. Nino Lahiffe in the season 4 episode Rocketear, when Nino managed to break free and turn himself back from Rocketear to Nino. Chloé Bourgeois in the season 4 episode Penalteam, when Penalty got sick of her clones and eventually turned herself back into Chloé. Kagami Tsurugi in the season 5 episode Perfection, when an akumatized Kagami sees how much other people actually care about her. She breaks free from the Akumas control in that moment and managed to turn herself back from Ryukomori into Kagami. Lila Rossi/Cerise (or whatever her name is. I’ll call her Lila for simplicity) in the season 5 episode Revelation, when she manages to deakumatize herself from Hoaxer to Lila after she got the information she wanted from Nathalie.

What I’ve also noticed about the instances in this category is that the characters seem to retain their memories from when they have been akumatized which is something that usually never happens after getting deakumatized. Usually characters are disoriented and don’t remember anything but whenever a character manages to deakumatize themselves they seem to know where they are and what happened. Take Lila as an example. She smirked right after deakumatizing herself like she knew exactly what she did. Or Alya, she didn’t look confused at all and could instantly respond to Ladybug’s comments which is something that Akuma Victims usually never do due to the disorientation and confusion. They usually take a moment to collect their thoughts and realize where they are or why they could be there meanwhile Alya didn’t take that time. She only took a little time to catch her breath. Or Kagami who seemed to remember what happened while she was Ryukomori. It’s similar like with Alya where she didn’t seem disoriented at all and she didn’t seemed confused on why Marinette’s classmates where there with a big picture of Kagami. It was like she knew exactly what happened similar as Alya and Lila.

Anyway…

There really are differences between how a character may stop an Akuma from targeting them.

Anytime someone brings up the characters that have rejected an Akuma there is always someone who brings up Chloé Bourgeois. The character who had a picture touched by an Akuma in the season 3 episode Miraculer and then resisted the Akuma’s influence by rejecting Hawk Moth’s offer for power. People keep bringing up Chloé was the first to resist an Akuma. And that is true but the problem is that they throw it into the same category as repulsion and rejection. How I see it’s not the same thing so I don’t think Chloé should be brought up when people talk about characters who have rejected an Akuma. Same thing the other way around. And same thing with characters who have repelled Akumas. Characters like Alya should not be brought up when talking about characters who have resisted an Akuma. At least not if you are trying to say they are the same thing. It would be like trying to compare apples and pears.

Even if we would act like repulsion, resistance, and rejection are all the same thing, Chloé would still not be the first to stop an Akuma from targeting herself. In that case, it would be Marinette who was the first to stop an Akuma from targeting herself since the season 3 episode Chameleon (in Chameleon Marinette managed to stop the Akuma from targeting her by calming down) was canonically before the season 3 episode Miraculer (in Miraculer an Akuma landed on a picture Chloé was holding and Cloé managed to resist the Akuma’s influence by rejecting Hawk Moth’s offer for power). However like I previously said these are not the same thing. Yes generally speaking all 3 are ways to stop an Akuma from targeting a specific person but they are different ways to do that. Some stop the Akuma from targeting only one person, others stop the Akuma from targeting everyone and the rest stop the Akuma from controlling someone (which kind of is also a form of targeting in a sense. Maybe not the traditional way but it is kinda targeting someone if you try to control them). I don’t want to treat them the same because to me they are not the same. If we go as a whole then yes, Marinette would be the first to stop an Akuma without explicitly using the Ladybug Miraculous. Chloé would be second, and Alya would be 3rd. However, if we divide this into sub-categories like I did Marinette is the first to repel, Chloé is the first to resist and Alya is the first to reject. It just makes more sense to me to divide them into separate categories.

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strawberrystar7 · 8 months

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Yk Lila (is that even her name? Cerise? Whatever her name is I’m just going to be calling her Lila for simplicity) seems interesting to me. Why does she have at least 2 if not 3 different identities? How did she turn out this way? Why does she want the butterfly Miraculous? What is her plan going forward. What the heck did she see at the end of the season 5 final? She looked so scared. I hope we get some answers in season 6.

I have to be honest I don’t really like her as a person but as a character she’s very interesting. Similar to Chloé in a sense I guess but also different. I don’t really like Chloé as a person either but when it comes to her as a character I find her interesting. When it comes to Chloé she has both potential to be a villain but also potential to get a redemption if done right (well maybe not anymore after season 5 but up until season 4 final she had that chance). I like reading Chloé redemption fanfics because of it. Tho I don’t like the ones where the redemption takes place over only a span of a week since that seems unrealistic. For Chloé to change she needs first to learn that she can’t get everything she wants considering how spoiled she is that takes a significant amount of time to get into her head. And that’s just the bare minimum.

After that she needs to do some self reflecting. Why does she want to change? It’s not enough if she only wants to change because of the Bee Miraculous or because others tell her to. She needs to want to change from deep inside of her. The wish to change needs to come from her and not from others or from what they can give her. At the same time send her to therapy. This girl needs it. Only once she has begun to self reflect can the redemption actually begin. All of this is just the groundwork. The real redemption can only start now. This is also precisely why the presumed „redemption arc“ in the show has failed. None of this groundwork has been laid.

At least a few months would have gone by by the time all of this has happened. That’s why just a few weeks or even worse only a week are unrealistic in redemption fics. No one works through their issues in such a short time especially not if they are as deeply rooted as Chloé’s. Oftentimes it feels forced because people just make Adrien, Marinette or one of their classmates tell Chloé that her actions are wrong and she suddenly has a change of heart. Like no that is not how this would actually work. Just because someone tells Chloé that it’s wrong doesn’t mean that she suddenly would change. This would take far longer than just 1 sentence. It would take therapy and self reflection and the realization that she can’t just have everything

Then there’s the possibility for Chloé being a villain and not just a flat one dimensional villain. We actually know why she is the way she is. It gives her a motive.

Anyway I swerved off topic. This was supposed to be about Lila and not Chloé. If you want to read more on my thoughts on Chloé you can read my post on Chloé’s role in the season 3 finale. It’s a bit outdated since it was written during the run of season 4 but it still matches mostly with my thoughts today. Either way Lila is interesting in a different way. I don’t think she has the same potential for redemption as Chloé has but she seems like she could be a great villain. She is cunning and manipulative. She is also very mysterious, which allows for speculation. We don’t know anything about her. We don’t know who her actual parents are, we don’t even know if she’s actually Italian and we don’t even know what her real name is.

Not gonna lie it came as a shock to know that she lied about her real identity. But now that I think about it maybe I shouldn’t have been shocked. Thomas Astruc has been alluding to the fact that Lila is lying about her identity. If I recall correctly he had posted a tweet talking about how Lila is a Liar and that we shouldn’t believe anything she says and she could be lying about being italian or something along those lines. I can’t find the tweet, maybe he deleted it, so sorry I can’t provide a screenshot but when trying to find it I saw other people talking about the same tweet. Either way that’s not even the main point of this post. (A Tweet? An X? Twitter was renamed to X so no way the posts there are still called Tweets so what even are the posts on X called? X is such a weird name change.)

Lila is cunning, manipulative, a liar and very mysterious. It makes her interesting to me and I do hope we get some semblance of a backstory for her in season 6 as well as some answers to those questions I stated above. I mean don’t get me wrong it’s fun to speculate but it’s also nice to have some confirmation on what actually happened and to add onto that canon framework. That way it’s easier to get an actual grasp onto what she’s like and why she’s this way. Similar to my posts with Chloé. They are built on the canon framework of Chloé’s backstory and current life but they also allow for analysis which isn’t exactly possible if you know nothing about a character (at least from the time when they were posted so not including season 5 since those posts were made 2 years ago.). In Chloé‘s case you can analyze her character arc as well as add onto her canon framework. But in Lila‘s case you can only speculate. And like I said speculation is fun and I‘ll probably take advantage of it until season 6 airs but it’s also nice to analyze the canon framework and add onto it. Both are nice in their own way I guess.

Not gonna lie when Lila first entered the show in the Season 1 Final I thought she was going to be a girl who lied because she wanted friends. Because she felt lonely and thought lying was her only possible way of making friends especially since some of her classmates are famous like Adrien Agreste, a world famous model, Chloé Bourgeois, the mayors daughter, and Alya Césaire, the Ladyblogger. I thought that she would resent Ladybug in the beginning but eventually would get over it and that Marinette would try to befriend Lila because she felt bad for blowing up on Lila as Ladybug. But then Lila disappeared in season 2 only to reappear in the season 2 finale to create the illusion, and then season 3 happened which changed my opinion on Lila once and for all. But even then I didn’t expect Lila to aim for the Butterfly Miraculous or that her lying went so far as to the fact that she had multiple sets pf parents, lied to all of them and that she even had multiple sets of identities. What kind of teenager even does that and why does she even need multiple identities?

Either way should that happen and they do elaborate on Lila‘s backstory I‘ll probably be back after season 6 trying to analyze Lila‘s character. It’s been a long time since I analyzed or theorized about Miraculous and if anything I would be interested in doing it with Lila but for that I don’t have enough information on her right now. In the meantime I‘ll be speculating about who she is and why she is like that. Who knows maybe I‘ll post some of those speculations on this Tumblr page, maybe I don’t. It depends on how I feel.

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I have to admit the only reason why I didn’t reblog in the first place was because I didn’t think it was necessary. I didn’t try to give a whole rebuttal of your whole essay because I was agreeing to some degree. I had minor issues with specific details of the post but other than that the essay was fine. Maybe that was my problem. I should have made it clear that I was agreeing to some of it because from an outside perspective it looks like I‘m nitpicking or something like that.

From what I can tell, you don’t want to be involved in this any longer so I won’t write out a full essay, at least not involving you so I‘ll stop here unless I misunderstood in that case I could write something more coherent and thought out if you want. I have written a few essays on this show on my blog and I‘ll continue to do so. I just won‘t drag you into it anymore.

Part 2: The Alter Ego Of A Heroine And It’s Relationship To The Protagonist

You can’t have a good Love Square, if you don’t have likable protagonists.

It’s very easy that when emotions play a role, for hearts to be swayed one way or the other. So you have to have very concrete and powerful characters that you will not hate – even if they mess up.

If you don’t have them, much like any Love Triangle, you will begin to hate one of the options. Then, trying to insinuate, whoever is left of the couple as ending with this less-liked-character will just end up pissing everyone off. This delicate balance is even more imperative in the Love Square.

Therefore, we need not only a lovable protagonist, but one we really want to root for – and Marinette has been suffering in that department for quite a while now.

So, we have to talk about her. Unfortunately, despite her being central for the show to work, she’s probably the second most character that suffer from the terrible writing of this show (and we all know who’s the one who suffered the most).

So, to understand what went wrong with her character, we first need to clear the bases and talk about Alter Egos.

An alter ego is the “alternative version” of someone. The Superman to Clark Kent, the Spider-Man to Peter Parker, the Batman to Bruce Wayne. They represent the hero version, the other self, the better version if you will, of protagonist were supposed to root for.

In magical girls, these better versions are key to understanding our Main Character. While, yes, there’s many magical girl like Sugar Sugar Rune or Sakura Card Captor that don’t place emphasis on the Alter Ego, MLB definitely does.

You see, the Alter Ego is better. Brighter, happier, have a sense of justice and are able to confront the world. While our Main Character doesn’t have these characteristics, or at least not as external. The alter ego represents everything they wish to be, while the real them hides underneath.

And it’s this push and pull between two of them that becomes a core, of sorts, for the story. For two main reasons. One, it explains the character. And two, it represents the theme.

A very good example of this – is Madoka. What makes a magical girl, a magical girl, in this universe?

You make a wish. Something you want more than anything. And that wish is what fuels your hearts to fight against the ghosts of the peers that came before. And if you lose sight of what that wish originally was – your soul gem cracks.

When Ayaka realizes that saving everyone is useless, her soul gem cracks, because proving that Mami was right and Homura was wrong was what drove her to be a magical girl. She became a Magical Girl to prove Homura wrong, that she could be happy being selfless.

When Homura’s goal to save Madoka is over, and she despairs over how she didn’t save her (only doomed her to an eternity of fighting), her soul gem cracks. She becomes a demon. She became a Magical Girl to save Madoka, so it makes sense she would become something worse when it turns out she didn’t.

Magical girls, are just that. A wish. Usually fighting the “failed versions” of themselves. Rue, who couldn’t have Mythos heart. Utau who hid half of her personality to please others. Sara, who couldn’t find love.

Magical Girls are a wish. While they become magical girls to save the planet, there’s something behind it that they guard deeply and wish to protect even more. And conflicts with their “true” self.

Other examples, are…

Princess Tutu is the representation of Ahiru’s love for Mytho. Ahiru wanted to save him, so it only stands to reason that her Alter ego is one that collects his heart shards, desperate to make him whole again. That’s what she fights for - For Mytho's, and eventually her own, happiness.

Sailor Moon is the representation of Usagi’s past as Princess Serenity. It’s her bonds that transcend space, it’s her duty to protect the earth like she couldn’t protect the Moon Kingdom. While this doesn’t happen in the first seasons, by the end of the series, it’s her deep connections and love for the rest of the sailor scouts that drives her to bear the weight of saving the world. These connections and bonds to her past, are what make her step forward and become a ruler again, and the reason she keeps fighting for Earth. In the future, we even see that Usagi, becomes Princess Serenity – her past. By becoming the queen of Neo Tokyo.

Amulet Heart is the representation of Amu’s “I want to be” self. Her desire to be sporty and happy, easy to mix with people. She has many others and through them all she aims to find herself. Who she really is, and where she fits in a school that idolizes a fake version of herself. Because in truth, the “real” amu doesn’t have a personality. She constantly feels like she copies others, but never truly finds who “she” is. But her Shugo Charas help her do exactly that. Break out of her shell, become someone very uniquely her. To the point that she eventually (in the manga) develops entirely new shugo charas. Because her ”I want to be self” has changed, and by defector, her. She became a Magical Girl to finds herself.

Pink Pearl Voice is representation of Lucia’s duty as a princess. She has seen her people be in distress and knows the weight her actions have on her nation. Her purpose is to fight those who want to hurt her kingdom. To return peace to the seven seas. While her true self, Lucia, just wants to be happy, free. Fall in love with a human – even though its forbidden by her kin. So, who should she be? Fall in love, or follow her duty? Again, in the manga, she becomes Agua Regina, the ruler of the seven seas, pointing to the fact that falling in love and ruling, aren’t as opposed to each other as she once believed.

So, with all this as context, what exactly is ladybug’s purpose? What does she represent? Why did Marinette decide to become Ladybug?

Again, it’s not “Just to save the world” or “because they’re forced to”. And the ones whose premise is that, are the most dark and disturbing magical girls there are (princess tutu, madoka, and utena)

So, Marinette has something, right? Something she fights for? To protect her friends? Her country? Her school? Her family? Is it pressure from her parents? Or is it herself? Why pressure herself, and to this extend?

What exactly would have been her wish when she became Ladybug? Why would she have accepted a deal where herself is in jeorpardy, and continue to accept it as more and more burdens pile up on her?

What’s stopping (in season 1-3) from ditching everything and asking Master Fu to find a new ladybug? Realistically.

Aaaaand, you probably have an answer.

But here’s the thing.

It's either an answer that came post-season 4, which again it’s too damn late. Or, outright not an actual reason given by the show.

Because the reason a lot of Aus, fanfics, and fancomics work are because they answer this question. Reality is, canon really doesn’t have much of an answer – except a very vague “sense of justice” Marinette has. There’s no clear answer. According to previous actions, we can speculate why. But we don’t have a real reason.

Is it because she was bullied? Is it because she got made fun of? Or is it simply her good nature? When has she expressed this outright or even sat down to talk about it with anyone?

We don’t know what Ladybug represents.

We don’t know why she keeps fighting evil. Why she takes on this mantle that’s slowly eating her away. And without knowing this, we really don’t know Marinnette herself.

And this is a Marinette-exclusive problem, may I add.

In the case of Chat Noir, it’s easy to find his reason to fight, and very early on - Season 1 early on.

He wants to be free, wants to be able to escape his home that feels like a prison, but still craves a place that will welcome him as he is: a mischievous trickster who messes up sometimes. Represented by a cat with a bell, meaning a cat with a home. A mischievous person who craves a place to belong

And that place is Ladybug. She offers that, while Chat Noir lends him the means to show that “true self” he can’t allow to others. He would never give up his miraculous because it would mean losing all that.

But Marinette doesn’t have that.

The closes thing we get to a “ideal self” is the fact that as Ladybug she gets to be the leader and the confident girl she always wanted to be, because she’s clumsy…But I have to say, that doesn’t really make sense. Its implied, in the first season, when they run for president, that she’s a naturally born leader. And if it weren’t for Adrien making her nervous, she’d be much more capable that she is right now.

Which makes the Marinette we have as of now, an amalgamation of many different MC tropes all stitched together with the world’s flimsiest needle. It’s a poke away from entirely crumbling.

We have:

I have a crush on my idol classmate

I am clumsy and ditzy

You can’t bully people! That’s wrong and you’re a meanie!

But also I’m kind hearted and will offer a helping to hand to those ostracized by society

Except if they’re the villain or the villain’s minions, they’re bad

I am a natural born leader and inspire others

But also I have no self steem and constantly doubt myself

I am soo shyyy

But also I will be weird abt my crush

And while these definitely can work together and form something coherent. They didn’t. They tried, and a very big emphasis on TRIED here, to give some of these aspects a backstory – like the stupid Kim Backstory about obsessive behaviour – but again, too little too late.

And even if, big if, it never really gets explored beyond this surface level. Did she talk about it with Chat Noir? Did she talk about it with Adrien? Did she ever stop to think or reflect on it?

It seems to me more like an effort from the writers to shrug off Marinette’s creepy behaviour by trying to justify it via trauma, rather than confront it and have a serious conversation about what it might entail.

But probably the most frustrating part - is that it could absolutely still have worked. If anyone gave a crap about admitting they f-ed up and working to fix it.

*Sighs*

I liked the Marinette from the PV. She reminded me a lot of Ahiru. A kind and cheery girl, with a golden heart, who secretly crushes on her idol prince. Probably someone who would be kind to a fault, trying to brefriending even the ultimate boss.

But Marinette right now wouldn’t. Or at least I think she wouldn’t. I mean, she hates Chloe and Lila, and would never offer to help them. Never has opened up and has an antagonistic rship with them.

But she did help Ivan that first time. And we see her forgive people who aren’t explicitly villains.

But she WAS really nasty towards Kagami when they didn’t even know all that much about her.

And this is not a sailor moon/fish eye situation where Adrien and Marinette are dating, or a lost memory thing that happened in the first part of sailor moon R. She’s just – mean bcs this girl has a crush on the boy she likes.

“It makes her a complex character-!”

It makes her confusing. You can’t know how she’ll act, so you can’t understand her and her actions. It alienates her.

Not really Magical Girl, but a good example of an extremely weird girl, who we understand is Rozemyne from Ascendance of a Bookworm. She has wild and unpredictable reactions – but we understand her internal logic. We know she’ll offer help when she can, but draws a hard line between friends and acquaintances. She wouldn’t jeopardized her loved ones for people she barely knows.

Something like that is missing from Marinette.

Unfortunately, at this point we only have one defining characteristic of her.

The one thing you’re sure won’t change, the one thing you can trust her to be no matter the circumstances. Her defining characteristic:

Adrien

Her feelings for Adrien are the only true constant.

We can’t trust her to be kind, bcs maybe the girl is crushing on Adrien and we’ve seen how she treat those girls. We can’t trust her to put art before anything, bcs we rarely see her design. We can’t trust her to be smart, clumsy, a good leader, a crybaby or happy.

The only thing we can trust about her, is Adrien

Which could work. Many other magical girls base their character around their love interest. It’s not an automatic recipe for disaster. An MC with heavy focus on romance can work.

Ichigo Monomiya, for example, is someone whose crush is a big part of her character AND motivation. She wants to protect Earth (as in nature) because it means so much to Aoyama and her main conflict comes from how she doesn’t want him finding out about her being a Mew. Her story revolves around how much she wants to spend time with him - but is unable to.

And Ahiru’s entire wish is for Mytho to be happy at the cost of her own. For a while the only motivation she seemed to have was Mytho and we knew little abt her aside from that.

Marinette basing her entire identity around Adrien may not be a bad thing (writing wise) if the writers acknowledged that’s what they’re doing. If they allowed conflict to build upon it.

Maybe a explore who she is without Adrien, and how he affects the perception Marinette has on herself. Who does she become without him and more importantly,

Why can’t she get together with him?

Real, why can’t Marinette get Adrien?

Well, the show has told us many times why. Awful consequences, the end of the world, etc etc.

But what I’m asking is why Marinette can’t get closer to Adrien? Even as a friend?

What’s stopping her from confessing? Or giving the first step? Being ladybug? Her own nervousness?

There’s usually a reason why these things can’t progress. Nervousness, after four seasons, shouldn’t have been one.

I mean, it worked on the first few episodes and even seasons. But at some point, her nervousness just became unrealistic, and it falls to the point of annoyance and even blatant fetishization by Thomas’ part – for a girl obsessed over a boy.

Again, Ichigo took steps to get closer to Aoyama since day one. The only reason why she can’t confess, isn’t because she gets nervous or can’t seem to talk to him. It’s because she’s scared that when Aoyama finds out she’s half-cat, he’ll be grossed out and won’t want to date her.

And if we talk about shyness and clumsiness, Ahiru comes to mind. Someone who also messes up when her crush is involved.

However, Ahiru gets competent the more time she spends with Mytho. By the end of it, even if she’s scared or nervous, she jumps headfirst into danger to protect him. She’s able to have conversations with him, and even gets close to his friends. She breaks out of her crush so much, that she’s willing to accept that Mytho is not meant for her.

So, no. Shyness and clumsiness when writing a character, isn’t a good answer.

What about her being Ladybug and the responsibility it comes with it, impeding her from finding love?

Well THAT plot point doesn’t get explored. At least, not with Adrien.

It only ever gets explored until season 4 and with MAY I REMIND YOU Luka. That she’ll always be distant or unable to connect with someone because of how much she has to keep from him. And it’s also kinda weird, when you juxtapose Luka and Aoyama.

Aoyama is the main love interest in the anime Tokyo Mew Mew. He was often sad and disappointed that Ichigo couldn’t put priority on him.

In one particular episode, he asked her out to go to the movies and was waiting for Ichigo, but a fight broke out and she was unable to go meet him. Mid-fight she does try to contact him but a jealous alien breaks her phone, making her unable to tell him she’s going to be late.

The iconic scene where she comes late to her date, and Aoyama is still waiting in the rain, will always be ingrained in my mind. The music, the writing, it all builds up to this point. You can see how much they long to be together, but there’s this impossible barrier for them. Caused entirely by circumstance. If Ichigo were normal, if she weren’t a hero, if she were just like other girls, she would be with the man she loves.

But she can’t. So she has to hide. Hide parts of herself, and her life. Even as she confesses that she loves him, she’s hiding her tail and ears. Worried that he’ll hate her but still trying to reach out.

And Aoyama forgives her. He says “I love you too”

It truly showed how they can’t be 100% together. That there’s a gap they can never truly fill.

But Aoyama /tries/. He doesn’t break up with her, doesn’t get angry, he hears how truly sorry she is and sees how anxious she’s getting - and accepts it. He forgives her. Because there’s things, they still don’t know about each other, and neither are ready to share.

That’s why Luka’s reaction Is weird. Wanting the whole truth from your gf is strange. And yes, Marinette is an asshole for still crushing on Adrien - but Luka knew! And he still accepted her. But he draws the line at Marinette having a secret he won’t tell her 2-month boyfriend and not even her closest friends KNOW?? And, it gets even worse, when you know that the secret of her “being ladybug” is something he’s known for a long a time. (And so has Aoyama by the way)

So a fundamental part of Marinette’s struggles were shoved into a padded 30 min episode. Where the blame is placed entirely on her.

I know they’re trying to fix it in season 5, an attempt to make her more proactive and give her a backstory and the like.

But this is your protagonist.

You shouldn’t be trying to fix her five goddamned seasons in. This should have been something addressed in – at LATEST – the second season. The villains also have this problem, but this is much more saveable in their case. We’re not supposed to care much for them to begin with.

And as I said, both the protagonist Alter Ego, and the Theme of a story are extremely linked together. If anything, they should have been able to fall back on their theme. What were they trying to say?

If, say for the sake of argument, Ichigo is an unlikable protagonist, maybe by just leaning into the Nature and Ecology theme of the show, you can build a new personality.

This is what star vs did – they gave Star character development as they developed the theme of intergenerational conflict and colonization.

So, SURELY, if Marinnette is a bad protagonist with no real reason for her Alter ego –

The writers can fall back on their theme to write a cohesive protagonist for the overall story of theme they’re trying to talk about

Right?

Spoiler. No.

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