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strawberrystar7 · 8 months

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There’s 3 types of stopping an Akuma and here’s how:

How I see it there are 3 types of stopping an Akuma. Maybe 4 if you want to be very exact to the tiniest detail but I categorized 2 of them in 1 category because I think they are close enough. This does not include defeating the Akuma and cleansing it with the Ladybug Miraculous.

People oftentimes argue that Chloé has been the very first character to resist an Akuma when others bring up Alya as the first to reject an Akuma but that’s the thing. She was the first to resist an Akuma’s influence but she wasn’t the first to reject an Akuma and she was not the first to repel an Akuma. People tend to treat all of these the same but I think they are different cases and categories.

Now this may be a bit confusing without knowing what I mean by the categories repulsion, resistance and rejection so here are my explanations as to what these categories are supposed to mean and include. (If anyone has better fitting names for the categories I am open for suggestions. Those were the best fitting ones I could come up with but they may not match like I wanted to).

1. Repulsion:

What do I mean by repulsion? Well usually this includes instances where an Akuma does not touch an object and therefore gets repelled.

Examples for this are: Su-Han’s mantra in the season 4 episode Furious Fu. Or that time in the season 3 episode Chameleon where Marinette calmed down before the Akuma could touch her belongings. But I also include instances like in the season 5 episode Revolution where Mister Damocles almost gets akumatized but because of his students encouragment he gets courage again which results in the magical charm manifesting as a shield allowing him to cleanse the Akuma before it could touch anything. But then there is the instance in the season 5 episode Collusion where Miss Bustier manages to cleanse an Akuma through meditation (at least I am assuming that was some form of meditation technique). Yes an object of hers got touched by the Akuma so technically it’s a bit different compared to the other instances but it’s also kinda similar to Damocles case since the Akuma got cleansed so I’d still count it as repelling.

So generally we can summarize this category with characters and instances where characters have calmed down before an Akuma could touch them or when they have cleansed the Akuma. (Those are actually the 2 sub-categories which I have categorized in one category because to me cleansing an Akuma and stopping the Akuma before getting touched are both ways of repelling an Akuma to me.)

There is a bit of a side effect to this tho. While in some cases the Akumas do get cleansed because of meditation or the magical charms, it can also happen that an Akuma instead gets redirected to the next victim because the Akuma hasn’t been cleansed.

2. Resistance

What do I mean by resitance? Well usually this includes instances where an Akuma does manage to touch an object but the target managed to resist the temptation and offer of power. However the Akuma doesn’t get cleansed.

Examples for this are: Chloé Bourgeois resists getting turned into an Akuma Villain even after the Akuma touching her picture by rejecting the temptation and Hawk Moth’s offer for power in the season 3 episode Miraculer. Or Félix Fathom when he resisted getting turned into an Villain even after the Akuma touched his stuff simply by rejecting Shadow Moth’s offer (and Senti!Gabriel’s threats) in the season 4 episode Gabriel Agreste.

However because the Akumas don’t get cleansed they just target a new victim so someone else gets turned into an Akuma instead.

3. Rejection

What do I mean by rejection? Well usually this includes instances where an Akuma manages to akumatize the target and fall under some semblance of mind control (since Akuma Villains do tend to act in a way the target would never have acted like without the Akumas influence). However the target eventually manages to break free from that control and manages to deakumatize themselves.

Examples for this are: Alya Césaire in the season 4 episode Gang of Secrets, when Alya managed to break free and turn herself back from Lady Wifi into Alya. Nino Lahiffe in the season 4 episode Rocketear, when Nino managed to break free and turn himself back from Rocketear to Nino. Chloé Bourgeois in the season 4 episode Penalteam, when Penalty got sick of her clones and eventually turned herself back into Chloé. Kagami Tsurugi in the season 5 episode Perfection, when an akumatized Kagami sees how much other people actually care about her. She breaks free from the Akumas control in that moment and managed to turn herself back from Ryukomori into Kagami. Lila Rossi/Cerise (or whatever her name is. I’ll call her Lila for simplicity) in the season 5 episode Revelation, when she manages to deakumatize herself from Hoaxer to Lila after she got the information she wanted from Nathalie.

What I’ve also noticed about the instances in this category is that the characters seem to retain their memories from when they have been akumatized which is something that usually never happens after getting deakumatized. Usually characters are disoriented and don’t remember anything but whenever a character manages to deakumatize themselves they seem to know where they are and what happened. Take Lila as an example. She smirked right after deakumatizing herself like she knew exactly what she did. Or Alya, she didn’t look confused at all and could instantly respond to Ladybug’s comments which is something that Akuma Victims usually never do due to the disorientation and confusion. They usually take a moment to collect their thoughts and realize where they are or why they could be there meanwhile Alya didn’t take that time. She only took a little time to catch her breath. Or Kagami who seemed to remember what happened while she was Ryukomori. It’s similar like with Alya where she didn’t seem disoriented at all and she didn’t seemed confused on why Marinette’s classmates where there with a big picture of Kagami. It was like she knew exactly what happened similar as Alya and Lila.

Anyway…

There really are differences between how a character may stop an Akuma from targeting them.

Anytime someone brings up the characters that have rejected an Akuma there is always someone who brings up Chloé Bourgeois. The character who had a picture touched by an Akuma in the season 3 episode Miraculer and then resisted the Akuma’s influence by rejecting Hawk Moth’s offer for power. People keep bringing up Chloé was the first to resist an Akuma. And that is true but the problem is that they throw it into the same category as repulsion and rejection. How I see it’s not the same thing so I don’t think Chloé should be brought up when people talk about characters who have rejected an Akuma. Same thing the other way around. And same thing with characters who have repelled Akumas. Characters like Alya should not be brought up when talking about characters who have resisted an Akuma. At least not if you are trying to say they are the same thing. It would be like trying to compare apples and pears.

Even if we would act like repulsion, resistance, and rejection are all the same thing, Chloé would still not be the first to stop an Akuma from targeting herself. In that case, it would be Marinette who was the first to stop an Akuma from targeting herself since the season 3 episode Chameleon (in Chameleon Marinette managed to stop the Akuma from targeting her by calming down) was canonically before the season 3 episode Miraculer (in Miraculer an Akuma landed on a picture Chloé was holding and Cloé managed to resist the Akuma’s influence by rejecting Hawk Moth’s offer for power). However like I previously said these are not the same thing. Yes generally speaking all 3 are ways to stop an Akuma from targeting a specific person but they are different ways to do that. Some stop the Akuma from targeting only one person, others stop the Akuma from targeting everyone and the rest stop the Akuma from controlling someone (which kind of is also a form of targeting in a sense. Maybe not the traditional way but it is kinda targeting someone if you try to control them). I don’t want to treat them the same because to me they are not the same. If we go as a whole then yes, Marinette would be the first to stop an Akuma without explicitly using the Ladybug Miraculous. Chloé would be second, and Alya would be 3rd. However, if we divide this into sub-categories like I did Marinette is the first to repel, Chloé is the first to resist and Alya is the first to reject. It just makes more sense to me to divide them into separate categories.

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toxinellebug · 5 months

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Paris Special HEADCANONS

Marinette only became emo after Chloe posted the video of Kim humiliating her online because there was no Socqulien to stop her.

Marinetter didn’t wear fishnet gloves or a scarf until those black veins started to appear.

Adrien only cut his hair after his father FORCED him to go to school, (because socializing with kids his own age would be good for his mental health) as an act of rebellion.

When the black lines started to appear, Adrien took inspiration from the Baker girl’s emo makeup to hide it.

Marinette ended up in Ms. Mendeliev’s class, NOT Ms. Bustier, which is why she never met Alya or met Adrien personally, but knew he was a spoiled brat because Chloe paraded him around the school as her Adrikins.

Adrien, who resented being sent to school, followed Chloe’s lead and probably bullied Nino, while Chloe made Alya her new fav target.

Marinette never met Luka since she and Juleka never became friends.

The Crush who thinks she’s a pathetic loser that she references is Kim. (In eng dub she says bf, which makes no sense since the special takes place at the begining of S5 after they got the Rabbit back and right after Cat Noir cataclysmed Monarch at the wax museum- and at this time Adrien has not yet fully accepted his feelings for Marinette and Marinette had broken up with Luka in ep 1 of s4 so she doesn’t have a boyfriend, which would be clear in her diary, but she does have a crush who sees her as a very good friend, whereas bad marinette’s last crush would have been Kim)

Adrien probably enjoys fame and modeling. His mother wanted to be a famous movie star after all. Also, he praises the perfection of Adrien Agreste when he is Claw Noir/Griffe Noir, and frowns when Shadybug/Toxinelle insults him. But Cat Noir has said that he is better looking and better dressed than Adrien and doesn’t understand why girls were fighting over him. Enjoying his fame and possibly relishing in signing autographs at school could also reinforce Marinette’s belief that he is self-centered despite not knowing him… Cuz remember, she was surprised that he seemed to know her, which means they aren’t classmates.

Good Gabriel obviously made Adrien go to school since being alone isn’t healthy for a teen, and Gabriel can’t design for his brand, save the world AND homeschool his son all at the same time. Plus, making friends and learning social skills would help Adrien overcome his grief.

The Centralist nature of the world ruled by the Supreme would result in Sabine having more conservative values, which would make her a more harsh disciplinarian who criticizes her daughter frequently.

Good Gabriel could not risk someone else suffering from the peacock, nor having his identity exposed to the Supreme, therefore FELIX was never born because Fathom Colt could not be trusted. (Sure, you could argue that the Supreme willingly lent Colt the peacock in exchange for something and that’s where Gabriel got the idea from but he had nothing to offer so he stole it, but since his wife is Amalie’s twin and suffered from the same infertility issues, it would be too suspicious if Emelie just miraculously got pregnant when it was impossible for her suster to do so without a miraculous.) The Gorilla was sent at Amalie’s insistence since Adrien is the heir of the precious DeVanilly bloodline and thus must be protected!

Gabriel accepted only because it stopped Amalie from insisting that she be allowed to adopt her nephew after her sister’s death.

This would also mean Amalie sees Adrien as the rightful owner of the DeVanilly twin rings and she would not insist on having them back, which means Gabriel could claim to keep them in a safe until Adrien comes of age because he knows Adrien will lose his free will if anyone gets their hands on those rings and good Gabriel respects his son’s autonomy as a person.

Gabriel never met Nathalie. She was a relic hunter, and since Gabriel stole what he needed from the Supreme, he never needed to hire Nathalie to search for magic jewels.

XY is famous and popular, Jagged Stone is either a nobody or his music is strictly underground indie because it is banned for it’s anarchist nature.

Andre never became Mayor, but he still has the Hotel and is a Movie Director. Chloe’s bad attitude still comes from her father’s wealth and Mother’s influence.

Mylene would not be allowed to attend Francios Dupont.

(Let’s face it, it is a Private school and all the kids who go there are either rich, middle class, or have show biz connections. They have an exclusive curriculum, including textbooks no other school uses, and no handicap access. Nino DJ’s as a hobby- do you know how expensive equipment is? For a 14 year old kid to have that as a hobby he needs to come from money. Building an AI robot isn’t cheap either, Max- son of an astronaut. Alya’s dad has at least a Master’s Degree if not a Doctorate in order to be a zookeeper and her mom is a chief in a 5 star hotel which affords her an apartment in one of the most expensive cities in the world, and ALYA, despite having 3 sisters, has her own bedroom with a balcony. Bakers in Paris also earn more than just a decent living, and sewing is not a cheap hobby either for a 13/14 year old who could lose interest because she’s a teenager. Mirelle and Aurora have the networking and connections to get on TV, you really think their parents wouldn’t send them to a highly rated private school? Chloe is repulsed by public transportation, do you think she’d be caught dead in a public school? Do you think the daughter of the Mayor and the Queen of fashion would go to public school? Do you think Gabriel Agreste who has a bodyguard for his supermodel son would allow him to attend public school? Do you think a world famous Fencer who also runs for political office would teach at a public school? Do you think Tsurugi san, who demands perfection and nothing short of the best, would allow Kagami to join a fencing club at a public school? No, Francois Dupont is a private school, and the only reason Mylene is able to attend is because her dad works there as a janitor. That’s why Chloe is always digging at how poor her clothes are.)

Betterfly said mutual aid is a crime in his world, meaning it is Centralist politics, which means Mylene and Ivan would not be able to protest anything legally and Ms. Bustier would not be able to get a job as a teacher with her idealistic liberal values… meaning she is not a teacher, or she is a mean teacher and probably even has a husband rather than a wife.

Post Paris Special, in addition to being homeless fugitives, Adrien will be a mess because the girl he has been yelling at, calling a cockroach, and trying to steal from is also the girl he’s been head over heels in love with but never had the guts to actually TALK to and it turns out she HATES his civilian identity and he has no idea how to talk to her without his mask but wearing the mask he falls into old habits and has to constantly correct himself before calling her cockroach and he constantly berates himself “WHY did I say that?? Stupid, stupid!” Everytime he ends up saying something snarky, rude, or tries to flirt and it just comes out cringe because he REALLY wants her to like him but he is also low key terrified of her hating him, yet just her grabbing his hand turns his brain into mush and have him daydreaming about wedding bells and a hamster.

Meanwhile, Marinette has never had a friend before, and has zero idea how to work as a team, especially with a moron who is as conceited and spoiled as Adrien Agreste, but they are stuck together now, and she DOES want to give it a shot, especially if it means she can change her crappy life and NOT be destroyed by her own powers. But she has no idea why her so called Partner is so bi-polar; one minute he’s acting smug and showing off, the next aloof (trying to play it cool), then he’s trying to crack jokes and get her praise, then he seems like he’s ready to snap and call her shittybug only to become apologetic, nervous/embarressed/awkward, and try to change the subject. Sometimes he acts like her touch burns him, othertimes he acts like he wants to hold her hsnd and follow her like a lost puppy. But most annoying is when he screws up her plans by trying to protect her by becoming a human shield or tackling her out of harms way (and spending way too long on top of her) when he used to be content to let her hit the ground and laugh about it. She doesn’t know if treating her like a damsel in distress is his idea of “team work” but it is annoying because for her plans to work he needs to focus and do the jobs she TELLS him to!

Marinette is still anti-love after her trauma from Kim so she has no romantic interest in anyone and is completely clueless to Adrien’s feelings and gets annoyed because she sees Paw Noir’s pathetic attempts at flirting as him mocking her even though they are supposed to be “good guys” on the same team now.

Gabriel is aware of both their feelings and it gives him a headache because teen romance is the worst and he knows Claw Noir would sooner drop dead from embarrassment than accept love advice from him, and quite frankly, Gabriel is far more worried about these children being put in danger and all the school they are missing and how worried Marinette’s parents must be with their daughter missing. But he knows the Supreme would show these two no mercy so they can’t return to their civilian lives until the Supreme is defeated.

IDK if Gabriel was able to remove Nooru’s muzzle, or if the Supreme started muzzling Kwami’s after the butterfly and peacock was stolen, but if Ladybug and Paw Noir are going to use their miraculous the right way, they will need to feed their kwamis.

Plagg still does not trust Adrien; it’s not the first time his miraculous has fallen into the wrong hands and been misused and the whole thing has left him jaded with a strong dislike of humans (who are only good for making cheese!) so Plagg will hate and be an asshole towards Adrien for a while before the kid can earn his trust and friendship.

Tikki wants to trust but she is nervous and dispirited from all the harm that has been done with her powers. She wants to believe there is still hope for her young holder, but she’s also not ready to open up her heart just yet. Marinette also is not used to showing or receiving affection, but she knows from reading her other self’s diary that Tikki is supposed to be her friend but she has no idea how to open up to the tiny creature that until now has only been her slave.

Gabriel feels great sympathy towards Marinette who has suffered so much abuse, and great guilt towards Adrien who has never learned how to socialize with kids his own age or deal with negative emotions in a healthy way, but he is certain that these two kids are made for each other.

Nino is still terrified of Paw Noir, and is super weirded out that the biggest bully in School after Chloe is now suddenly, awkwardly, trying to talk to him and asking about his favorite movies for dome reason? But they are members of the underground resistance together now and he’s not going to risk ticking this kid off and getting cataclysmed.

Alya is wary because Shadybug has tried to kill her several times these past few months… and now they are suddenly allies? Sure, that’s not weird or suspicious AT ALL.

#miraculous paris #miraculous ladybug #miraculous fandom #miraculous world #Shadybug #toxinelle #claw noir #Adrienette #love square #Miraculous AU #headcanon #Agreste

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into-september · 1 year

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white hair and pronouns ("Passion")

no Alya the WEIRD THING is that you just woke up in Marinette’s bed on a school day and yet you’re having this discussion about which boy she is or isn’t in love with

“Papa” what the fuck happened in ep. 5

Cooking with grease and batter while dolled up in all white is just vaguely better than what the Korean lady on youtube was doing and I’m going to assume Gabriel’s clothes are way more expensive

the fact that Adrien’s looking at the remote control ring and promptly gets starry-eyed about a happy family is frankly gross, but it’s not like I had expectations about this after Kuro Neko’s demise

but thanks anyway to the people who created a sexy catboy superhero with the powers of destruction and decided to make him the patron saint of hopeless romantics

yes I was listening to figure out whether he’s adressing her with “tu”. She certainly isn’t and I’m pretty sure that was what she just refused him here

if the moral is going to be that Gabe proves his humanity by letting his son and his partner in crime who sacrificed her health and wellbeing to aid his personal ambitions adress him with the familiar pronoun

“What Adrien needs is his father” NATHALIE HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN IN THIS HOUSE. HE HAD A MAN KILLED FOR A BRACELET AND WAS SECONDS AWAY FROM LAUNCING A NUCLEAR ARMAGEDDON. HE MAKES HIS SON ADRESS HIM WITH “VOUS”. DO YOU NOT REMEMBER “KURO NEKO”

I’m not following Plagg’s cheese metaphors any longer

lesbianism increasing

and so the backstabbery begins, oh boy

not Adrien asking her about “the first time she was in love” the moment after we got our first look of Emilie on screen and Nathalie flashbacks to her

Adrien Agreste and the Quest for the Family Curse

how sad is it that my first thought here was “hey is that Kagami’s car”

Details I love: Tikki’s drawing talent. I hope S5 will have her and Plagg hanging out while the kids are in class at least TEN TIMES.

I’m pretty sure Plagg just confirmed that the “never tell each other identites” rule was just some BS that Fu made up, never mind how S4 had some two or three episodes explaining in THOROUGH DETAIL why it is necessary

Tikki is COLD

Gabe she’s like two floors above you, don’t be lazy

so how are we gonna explain this akumatisation to Adrien

needless details I love: Marinette went into an empty bathroom and locked the door to a cubicle she wasn’t even planning to pull down her trousers in

I can’t believe I’ve yet to find fanfic about Ladynoir bunking off to go on dates

If Marinette is conscious during all this and this is how the reveal happens then my hat is off to the writers, no joke

You let Ladybug struggle with the gravity of a bowling ball, you can let Adrien struggle a LITTLE with the gravity of a teenage girl when the superpowers are gone

I screamed very quietly inside my head when we first saw both miraculous in Adrien’s hand there

how dare they not give us Adrien having a pow-wow with Tikki and Plagg

Gabriel’s concern here might’ve almost been touching if we didn’t know that he just had to face another smarting loss at the hands of those meddling kids

I’m sure there are things to be said about how Adrien’s first second ever episode as the MVP had him doing the heroics in Ladybug’s dress but as a Mr. Bug stan I have absolutely no complaints about anything

Gotta say this is a change in tune from the end of last episode, Marinette, but if nothing else the “no stammering” had its precedent in “Cat Blanc” and “Ephemeral”

Nathalie I hope you’re taking notice about the concept of knocking on doors here

You can start your good deeds of being there for him by reporting his father to the childcare authorities jsyk

is that end card supposed to make us draw the contrast or comparison between Gabriel and Monarch

#mira #miraculous ladybug #let's watch cartoons #blah #ml spoilers #linguistics

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ao3feed-ladynoir · 1 year

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Our Love Will Go On

Our Love will Go On by JuliaFC

When Adrien uses the spectacle he found during the season 4 finale and finds the cave underneath the mansion, discovering Monarch's identity and his mother's corpse weren't the only shocks he had that day. Discovering to not be even human was the last blow.

But when Lila steals the Peacock and uses her newfound powers to her advantage, Adrien has no choice. Left dealing with the consequences of such a choice, will Marinette resist the urge to forget her unbearable pain, or to use the Wish to bring him back? (Season 5 spoilers)

Words: 3745, Chapters: 1/20, Language: English

Fandoms: Miraculous Ladybug

Rating: Teen And Up Audiences

Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply

Categories: F/M

Characters: Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir, Félix Graham de Vanily, Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug, Gabriel Agreste, Nathalie Sancoeur, Tikki, Plagg, Lila Rossi, Tom Dupain, Sabine Cheng, Caline Bustier, Ms. Mendeleiev, Su-Han, Roger Raincomprix

Relationships: Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir/Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug, Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug & Félix Graham de Vanily, Félix Graham de Vanily/Kagami Tsurugi

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Read Here: https://archiveofourown.org/works/44258752

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goldenharmony · 2 years

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So like as of now, I think these are my top 10 favourite ML eps, with bolded being my top 5 lol

- Miraculer (S3)

- Ladybug (S3)

- Chat Blanc (S3)

- Oblivio (S3)

- Gabriel Agreste (S4)

- Gang of Secrets (S4)

- Sentibubbler (S4)

- Rocketear (S4)

- Kuro Neko (S4)

- The Last Attack of Shadowmoth (S4, yes I’m counting this as 1 ep)

#miraculous ladybug #lily watches ml

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dearmayura · 2 years

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nathalie + witnessing... that

#miraculous ladybug #miraculousedit #mledit #type: gif #ch: adrien agreste #ch: nathalie sancoeur #ch: gabriel agreste #dy: adrien x nathalie #dy: gabriel x nathalie #s3 #s4 #ep: 3x23 #ep: 4x25 #**#idk what's funnier the glitching adrien or the fact that gabriel's face took up so much of the screen the cropping looks off #anyway nathalie is pretty

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bisexualasshole · 2 years

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no because i cant stop thinking about the hawk moth mayura selfie because it so obviously was taken on his tablet... like if anyone in Paris needed more confirmation that hawk moth was just Some Guy’s Dad this probably is the best piece of evidence they have cause nathalie is stunting on everyone else and meanwhile gabriel is just like

#miraculous ladybug #miraculous #ml #mlb #gabriel agreste #gabriel agreste ep #hawk moth #shadow moth #hawkmoth #shadowmoth #mayura #nathalie sancoeur #howk morth #nathalie #ladyblog #gabriel agreste spoilers #mlb s4 spoilers

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ct-multifandom · 2 years

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M’kay I’ve watched Ephemeral live and then rewatched the next morning with subs, and now that it’s been over 12 hours I’m ready to move on to the new Gabriel Agreste trailer and synopsis.

Gabriel Agreste trailer breakdown

Ft. me adapting, improvising, and overcoming the tumblr image limit

This opening image is the one that got spoiled a while ago. People thought it might be a flashback but now I’m not so sure. I think it’s just Gabriel scheming about tonight’s plan. The masks are very trope-y. “Evil rich people party with creepy, unique animal masks”. *insert Squid Game reference* Good ol’ horror-fiction human-sacrificing cult vibes.

Ooo someone pointed out that they look like the zodiac animals with the pig, dragon, dog, rabbit, potentially a rooster up there, but maybe they’re based off the miraculous animals beyond the zodiac too because one looks like a fox and another is kinda cat-like. It’s hard to make out what some of them are.

I’ll be honest, this side of the plot was not even remotely on my bingo card. Took me by surprise. Much to talk about, though.

You know this “Marinette likes Adrien but can’t talk to him” bs is getting ridiculous when Marc and Nathaniel feel the need to Intervene. And the whole girl squad plus Zoe is in on it too, like you know this stuff’s getting serious. The entire Counsel (sans Kagami) is here to orchestrate the ship.

It’s hard to remember that this is only episode nine, meaning that Zoe has used a miraculous, but not Mylene, Rose, nor Juleka, and Alya is still a temporary hero. Man how time flies.

It looks like they’re using a fairy tale themed puppet show to represent the plan? Uh, okay. Corny romantic metaphors aside, did Nathaniel draw Gabriel as Maleficent??? That’s amazing. It’s like in Party Crasher when Nino defaced photos of Agreste Manor as a fortress, Gabe as a devil, Nathalie as a witch, and the bodyguard as a gorilla. I wonder who that figure on the left that’s cut off is. Adrien? Mari? Is she little red riding hood or something?

Where did Marc’s hair thing go? His pineapple leaves? Animation error?

It’s neat that they’re kinda repaying the favor they owe to Marinette for getting them together back in season two. This and Gigantitan feel like a sword in the stone type scenario where everyone tries to make Adrienette canon and nobody can lmao. On a deeper note, I’m really glad they’re doing this because I think this is the episode that’s going to justify them getting miraculous in the future. Kim had Syren, Max had Robustus, Alix had Reverser, etc, so most of the others did something heroic or respectable on at least one memorable occasion as civilians to show how they don’t need miraculous to be heroes. Before, I really thought they’d shoehorn some rushed bs reason into the first half of the hero episode(s), so I’m relieved that they will get a bit more development before that, so Ladybug’s decision to choose them is natural.

Lastly, I have to wonder how stupid this plan is gonna be. In all honesty, whenever characters “have a plan” outside of akuma battles, it always goes painfully wrong. From the synopsis it actually sounds like it doesn’t crash and burn, and that Chloe is the only wrench in it, so maybe it actually won’t be a secondhand embarrassment-inducing dumpster fire for once? Or maybe I’m getting my hopes up cause like. Marinette’s disguise is a sticky mustache.

Obviously it won’t make Mari and Adrien start dating or anything, but now I’m thinking... in the episodes before this they don’t interact much, but afterwards we have Adrien taking Mari’s hand in Mega Leech and the bubbles + “I don’t always get what you’re saying but you always have good intentions” in Guiltrip. Idk idk, feels unlikely that the plan might actually be good just based on how these things usually go.

You’ve heard of candy cane Gabe, now get ready for black licorice Gabe.

Why isn’t Adrien following the dress code? I zoomed in and I think Gorilla is playing with his action figures lol. Did someone bribe him again or is he just bored? Glad to see goth NPC girl could make it. I see a mask type with a long bird beak and one with a big nose like a bear or something.

Thing 1 and Thing 2 have arrived. Time to cause troubleee...

90% sure Gabriel is making a sentimonster of himself to turn into The Collector. The synopsis says that Marinette discovers a supervillain has snuck into the party as well, so I’m thinking she finds the real Gabe as Shadowmoth. Speaking of, so does Felix.

Hopping back to “is the plan actually decent?” another thing I noticed is that Sole Crusher and Queen Banana are before this, aka Chloe’s regression into being an exaggerated mean girl. In this ep, she tries to sabotage the plan, and Mari tries to stop her. Whatever happens, Chloe... seems to actually stop? The only episode after this we’ve seen with her being more than a background character is Optigami where she uses Zoe as a human shield, and she’ll be akumatized in Penalteam, but other than that I can’t remember her causing problems. Maybe Mari will help her realize that her actions are selfish and that she’s putting Adrien, one of her only friends who she just betrayed last episode, in danger. The fancy rich people party plus waitress!Mari setup reminds me of their truce in Animaestro, so maybe, just maybe, we’ll get some Chloe being kinda okay for a while.

*Mario voice* Ponytail Marino

Of course Bob Roth is wearing the pig mask.

The party must be a G.A. designer brand thing because there are... chalkboards? With designs on them in the background.

At first I was confused as to why Kagami straight up punched the book and sacrificed herself head-on as opposed to putting up more of a fight, but then I noticed Maristache in the back behind the stairs, so maybe she’s giving her a chance to escape like what she does later in Optigami.

The plates LB and CN are throwing at Collector are probably just normal plates from the event. Idk what that logo is, though. It doesn’t look like T+S nor the Grand Palais so idk.

Aaaaand this. Hooo boy. We know someone’s learning Gabe’s identity, and it looks like it might be Felix. And it looks like Gabe figures him out. We got that spoiler image of Felix stealing the miraculous which is probably why The Collector targeted him, but how will this end? This is just one if allegedly three times Felix shows up this season.

What’s weird is how Felix seems softer this episode than he did in Felix. What’s the truth; is he a manipulative demon child who’s just that good at lying, is he getting development due to a change in circumstance, or was Amelie telling the truth and the events of Felix were just an atypical manic episode? I always thought Felix would be a villain, hence why the s3 ep is named after him, but maybe he’s more of an antihero like the PV suggested. I hope we learn more about his motives and why he stole the ring last time.

Finally, back last spring, I thought this would be a flashback episode, but it’s mostly not. I think there might still be a flashback because of the interview referencing the Agreste kitchen, which I’m honestly very curious about. I think we might still get a glimpse of the past before the events of the show, however far back they take it.

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chaotic-fiwwe · 3 years

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Full MLB S4 episode list and air-dates released!!

First, the S4 episode list:

(Credits to: Miraculous Ladybug News)

P.S: The ticked episode names mark the episodes that have been aired so far. This list shows the episode names in English.

Click here to view the episode names in French and here to view this list in Portuguese.

S4 EP15 (EP415) is titled Glaciator 2, S4 EP20 (EP420) is titled Qilin, S4 EP 22 (EP422) is titled Ephemeral,S4 EP 23 (EP423) is titled Kuro Neko and S4 EP24 (EP424) is titled Penalteam .

S4 EP25 (EP425) is titled Risk- ShadowMoth's last attack-Part 1 and S4 EP26 (EP26) is titled Strike Back- ShadowMoth's last attack-Part 2.

Now, meanings of certain new episode names, which might stir up new and fun theories in your minds! :

If u don't wanna see those meanings, feel free to scroll down to the air-dates!

(S4 EP 20) I think this episode is gonna be related to Marinette's Chinese background, or Gina being in China, or maybe is gonna be about the comeback of Fei! Cuz it was implied that the 'girl' Gina was referring to in Simpleman might be Fei ! Let's see!

(S4 EP22)Well, no theories abt this from my side!

(S4 EP23) I have no theories about this except for the inkling that this might revolve around Cat Noir, or the Black Cat Miraculous, or purr-haps, a Past Black Cat Miraculous holder! Or maybe about Plagg or his past too! But let me clear one thing, Kagami is NOT going to take Cat Noir's Miraculous. This has been confirmed by @Anita on Twitter.

Now, onto the Air-Dates!

(Credits to: https://miraculous.to/en/)

S4 EP9 Gabriel Agreste in English- 20th November 2021 at 5:15am UK Time

S4 EP15 Glaciator 2 in French- 24th October 2021 at 9:35am French Time

S4 EP15 Glaciator 2 in English-6th November 2021 at 10am EST (Credits to :The Maya. B Show on YT)

S4 EP16 Hack-San in English- 13th November 2021 at 10am EST (Credits to :The Maya. B Show on YT)

S4 EP19 Simpleman in English- 16th October 2021 at 5:15am UK Time

S4 EP21 Dearest Family in Portuguese- 19th October 2021 7:30am Brazilian Time (Thanks to @theultracharmingladynoire for letting me know about this and credits to @Miraculous Ladynoir on YT)

S4 EP21 Dearest Family in English- 23rd October 2021 at 5:15am UK Time

S4 EP22 Ephemeral in English- 27th November 2021 at 10am EST (Credits to: The Maya. B Show on YT)

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That's all for now!

I'm extremely sorry, once again, for so much delay. This took 1 hr to make 😅.

(S4 EP22 Ephemeral has been highlighted red as you could see above! Any idea why?)

Lemme know what you think about these in reblogs, comments, mentions, messages, etc.

Likes and Reblogs are much appreciated!

This is La-Fille-Noire-13, signing out!

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gentil-minou · 2 years

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Looks like someone is wearing a magical ring that gives them superhero powers while someone else is wearing a potentially magical ring that potentially controls said superhero 👀👀👀👀

#im really excited for this ep ahhhh #miraculous ladybug #ml spoilers #ml s4 #ml gabriel agreste

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yerimoonlight · 2 years

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I have never craved the demise of a character more than gabriel agreste

#miraculous ladybug #gabriel agreste #ml season 4 #I’m putting the spoilers tags bc people probably haven’t even looked at the final ep titles yet #ml s4 speculation #ml spoilers #ml s4 spoilers #ml season 4 spoilers #this season’s finale is going to be something else #the two ending episodes are literally called the last attack of shadow moth #that man better be either behind bars or 💀#no inbetween #yeah if adrien becomes an orphan I’ll be sad but at the same time...#it’s what he deserves #not what adrien deserves! you know what I mean🙄#I could go on about all the possibilities but it’ll just make me mad #say he does die. hooray. but what if emilie wakes up and steps in his place?#we know she messed around with the miraculous before #I would like to think that adrien’s kindness has to come from somewhere but that somewhere may just be himself #and his bodyguard😌#*somewhere meaning someone #all I know is free nooroo 2021😔#duusu as well but my buddy nooroo has had to deal with the evil man this entire time😩

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starfellwish · 3 years

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s4 finale theory!

spoilers for the news we got from gloob today and the rest of season 4 below!

OKAY SO! I personally think it's Lila (more on that in a later post, but its pretty much for the same reasons as everyone else), but. It could be felix. here's why:

this spoiler teaser mainly fixated on episode 9 "gabriel agreste" - the episode we barely have gotten any news on. many have mentioned that it's weird that gloob included felix in their little web of suspects because he's only been in the show for an episode. we also haven't really talked about him in the show since. and it is quite weird. very weird indeed.

it is also weird that they mentioned the "twin rings" in the spoiler teaser. this means two things:

the end scene of mega leech was on purpose. there is something they wanted to indicate by fixating on the ring. this is definitely relating back to episode 9.

felix is definitely related to the plot of ep 9, and it is likely that he'll be present.

i also saw somewhere that felix would be in 3 season 4 episodes. for now, let's pretend that episode 9, "gabriel agreste" is one of them. felix gets access to the family mansion because his mom and him are visiting them once again. felix finds out. this leaves two episodes remaining. what episodes might it be?

the season finale episodes.

let's remind ourselves of the synopsis for the finales:

Realizing that Ladybug's caution is the reason why she always wins, Shadow Moth prepares a diabolical plan to create a supervillain who can force his victims to take all sorts of risks. When Marinette learns that Adrien is leaving Paris for several weeks with Lila, the new face of the Agreste brand, she will do anything to stop him from doing so. But until what point? Will she reveal her secret identity for the sake of love? And would Adrien finally face his father?

if felix is indeed the one that finds out, then it is likely that he'll be in at least one of these episodes. i think it would be weirder for him to randomly appear twice throughout the season for relatively unimportant events, as they've established him as important. this then leads to a few questions:

what if it's not adrien that's leaving paris, but felix posing as adrien? what if hawkie means to set him up with lila so those become a duo for the future hawk moth team? what if shadow moth's final plan involves akumatizing a duo that is resolute together against both chat noir and ladybug?

note: i realize that me saying this may insinuate that felix and gabriel will have to know about adrien = chat. that isn't likely to happen at all. i was thinking that felix's reasons to fight against ladynoir may hold some other meaning. felix does hold some animosity towards ladybug, and it is likely that he'll join hawkie in his mission if he finds out. he also may have a personal stake in it, due to hawk moth's reason for fighting for the miraculous is a family related secret; therefore, he'll be willing to fight ladynoir regardless.

regardless, i do believe that felix will be in the season finale (in either, or both episodes) because his character identity has already been set up as all important, and i'm excited on who's actually going to find out in episode 9! let me know what you guys think! <3

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ok wait can you explain who has what rings and who can control who at this point because i never actually believed the sentimonster thing would actually happen and so now that it is im v confused hahahahahahahahaha

It’s funny u would ask me in particular bc I was just complaining to my friends on discord that I can’t keep track DJDKMDS but here is my understanding:

Pre-felix episode: Felix’s amok ring is on emilie’s finger. Gabriel has been wearing Adrien’s (?)

Felix: gabriel removes Felix’s ring from emilie’s finger and puts it on as a precaution since felix is visiting. Amalie demands it back, knowing it contains her son’s amok (why didn’t she have it in the first place then? why would she allow emilie to have her son’s amok? Idk). Felix steals the ring from Gabriel’s finger. Felix now has his own amok, which he offers to his mother but she lets him keep it.

Gabriel Agreste: Felix pretends to give up the ring but it’s a fake, gabe realizes this and sends sentigabe after him, in the end he lets felix keep the ring (? Why? Also this is confusing bc I rewatched this ep and I didn’t see akumatized sentigabe ever getting the ring from felix, but in the end he actually gives it back to felix, who already had it?? I’m so lost lol)

Risk: gabe hands off his ring to nathalie to control adrien while they’re on their trip

Strike Back: felix gives up his ring and gives gabe ladybug’s yo-yo in exchange for the peacock miraculous (which I don’t really understand bc the yo-yo itself should’ve been enough collateral? why would he give gabe back the ring containing his own amok? He has the peacock now which means he’s safe from being snapped but now gabe can control him ??)

So at the end of s4: Gabriel has Emilie’s ring with the ability to control felix, Nathalie has Gabriel’s ring with the ability to control adrien. (theoretically)

However, there is still a lot we don’t know that may be revealed later. For example…

Is the ring felix gave gabe another fake? (Potentially, because again I don’t get why he would willingly give up the ring as part of the deal when it wasn’t necessary. but he knows that gabe was able to tell the real one apart from a fake one the first time, so it seems unlikely he’d try that trick again)

Did Nathalie still have the ring at the end of the episode? Was it possibly stolen by felix on the train, or even lila? (Lila’s evil smile while nathalie was collapsing certainly seemed significant for something, but then again I don’t know how lila would have figured out anything concerning the rings. If felix did steal the ring from Nathalie, that might explain why he was unconcerned about giving the other ring to gabe—maybe he was simply giving Adrien’s ring back to gabe while he still had his own ring safely tucked away.)

Do the twin rings somehow contain both amoks together? Could adrien and felix potentially share one amok? (In the episode Felix it seemed like the rings could come together as one ring, like each one is one half of a whole. We know from crocoduel that one akuma can go into an item which can then be broken into two parts, and to release the akuma you first need to unite the parts before you break them together. We also know from multiple examples that one akuma can akumatize multiple people at once—like crocoduel, the punisher trio, etc. If we assume the peacock miraculous works the same way, then theoretically both adrien and felix could be made from one amok—presumably created by emilie—and that amok could have been contained in one ring that was then split into two. Meaning that both rings contain part of a shared amok and can be used to control both felix and adrien, and to destroy the shared amok the rings would need to be put together and then destroyed.)

I have so many thoughts and the more I think the more confused I get tbh. So I hope this was actually helpful instead of just more confusing 😂 I think for a lot of this we need to just wait and see!

#anon #ask #sentimonster theory #sentiadrien #sentifelix #ml spoilers #ml risk #ml strike back

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Ml Meta analysis: Adriens current absents, season 4 structure and theory on whats to come

Here I am back again with my endless rambling.

I'm just as worried for our cat son as everyone else (maybe even more) which is why I tried figuring out for my own sanity why he is so absent currently.

Upfront I wanna warn yall that I wrote this post in one rush this night and therefore had no time to do alot of editing. So things can probably get a bit more messy than usual but I tried to write it clearly, while writing 2 other ml essays as well. This is the one drawback of having so many episodes in such a short time, I have no time to write my posts x3 I had another theory planned for before Optigami airs but I don't think I can manage before tomorrow.

But let's not waste any more time. Grab a snack and here we go:

It's 2am right now but I think I just realized why Adrien/Chat Noir is being sidelined so much recently.

Sure, yes, it'll come into play in the very obviously set up Ladynoir drama later on but what I wanna talk about now is more the structure of how s4 is most likely written in terms of both Marinettes and Adriens side of the story. And then deep dive a little on why I think so.

You see season 4 is now reaping what has been built up from s1-s3, but this also includes that you have to take the time now to properly recreate the new possibilities out of the loose pieces of the broken status quo.

Seriously, season 4 has to handle and reinvent ALOT. The show got now officially announced to have 7 seasons, which is exactly the amount of seasons Astruc said they have story for. I couldnt find the official tweet from Thomas himself but I one from another source:

And now look take a look at the possible shows structure:

- s1-s3 was the first status quo and built up everything so now they can pay off after pay off while...

-... S4 is now the transitional season where the old status quo gets left behind as we work towards the new one.

-I have nothing to proof this of course, but in the same sense it would now make sense that s5-s7 where/are planned to play out under the final status quo. If I'm not wrong at first the show was under contract for 5 seasons, which would mean that after the transitional season 4 there was only 1 season of the final status quo for sure. Still, done right it could have been worth the wait. But this isn't where Miraculous will end. The show actually got the 7 seasons the creator wanted and THIS is how I think the long term plan makes the most sense. Nothing all too complicated but still hella effective in its execution.

But now back to our two main characters, because Marinettes and Adriens development are the two aspects that will raise the show to the intense heights of the s5-s7 status quo.

From s1-s3 Marinette was the active player but she was hardly involved with the actual PLOT of the show, since most of the plot and backstory of the show lies directly with the Agreste family. She only started to get her own plot when she literally created a new one by getting involved with the miraculous lore, because the closest Marinette got to the Agreste plot was "The collector".

Adrien in the other hand was always literally right in the middle of the plot but he wasn't enough of an active player to bring us further either.

Season 4 is now going to add the missing parts for both of them and as the very beginning of the season showed us: there are going to do it SEPERATLY.

This is why "Truth" and "Lies" have been structured the way they are (One Marinette-centric the other Adrien-centric). Yes, Marinette and Adrien are meant to end their story victoriously together, but they are simply not the people they have to be to become such a powerful team. Certain aspects of their journey they have to do... basically disconnected from the other one. The "Miracle Queen" endcard shows it quite nicely as well where they are heading now: away from each other.

Obviously the season started with Marinette growing into her new guardian status including everything miraculous related, since she is the main lead and because the new ways the episodes can now utilize everything Miraculous need to be established first before we deep dive into the messed up Agreste mystery.

So while I totally agree that it is annoying to get so little Adrien/Chat Noir content currently I also understand the practicality behind it. As I said, before s4 Marinette was the active main character who mostly didn't really have her own plot. So now adding her plot aspect and have her ACTIVELY figure everything needed out means that right now Marinette/Ladybug is the active focus main character who is solving a huge part of her s4 character arc. That simply drowns out Adrien as the currently still mostly-inactive secondary main character who, yes, may be right in the middle of the shows emotional + villain plot/lore/backstory, but that side of the story simply isn't in focus at the moment.

And I gotta say, I'm kinda glad they're doing it this way. Because I'm gonna be honest, when the season starts giving us Adrien/family Agreste episodes like "Lies" and "The collector" (in this case "Gabriel Agreste" for example) again, I don't want the narrative to be forced to spend time with something guardian lore based just because they didn't took their time to do it earlier.

So, as we see on the s4 episode raster "Gabriel Agreste" is episode 9. Honestly, I expect most of it (especially the ones near the beginning, so ep. 5 included) til that episode to be Marinette based the way everything else til now did (besides Lies obviously and Guilt trip didn't hardcore focus on Marinette/Ladybug either and that's because it's after "Gabriel Agreste") in the spirit of "Truth". It's just the needed set up from Marinettes side of the story and I can live with that.

Because we actually saw the change after "Gabriel Agreste" already in "Guilt trip".

I don't know why some people pretend like Chat almost cataclysming himself after hearing how guilt-eaten Nino is for Adriens sake isn't a huge indicator that the episodes afterwards will not only acknowledge but also DEAL with Adriens/Chats situation and problems. Remember, we are talking about CHAT NOIR here not Adrien Agreste. The show has always portrayed and acknowledged ADRIENS issues very straight forward and with the proper seriousness (especially when it comes to his family), whereas Chat Noir was often mostly used for comedic purposes with some exceptions of his problems being properly delt with (since Marinette/Ladybug was mostly oblivious to them, since Adrien keeps them hidden so well). But now in "Guilt trip" LADYBUG was confronted head-on with just how much negativity Chat has inside and how quickly and extremely he drowns in it.

Sure, correct, the episode also has his negativity "washed away" rather quickly by Ladybug opening up to him on how important he is to her

But this is in character for both of them as "Lies" very clearly showed us that the way BOTH OF THEM behave here is where the problem lies. There Ladybug was freaked out after Chat threw his life away once again but quickly accepted Chats very direct avoidance of the confrontation, since he seemed to be alright to her.

Something I also find noteworthy here is that Ladybugs dialog is "Seriously, you need to stop doing this to me!", which is.... a VERY Marinette-centric way of acknowledging the problem.

It completely shifts the issue away from Adriens extremely alarming self-harmful/suicidal tendencies and instead only calls out how it affects Marinette (whose feelings here are definitely valid, don't get me wrong!). It showcases perfectly how unaware Marinette still is of her partners inner tumult at that point and also parallels how Marinette called Adriens life "perfect" at the beginning of the episode (This is no shade towards Marinette, in general the entirety of "Lies" is about showing us just how harmful Adriens Chat Noir persona actually IS to him so these two moments of her being oblivious to Adriens and Chats immense problems very much fits into that episodes narrative and sets up what's about to come. I still have an entire essay in the making for "Lies" but, guys, it's just getting longer and longer. I suck xD).

So the fact that an episode after "Gabriel Agreste" brings this scenario back, just a little different but ALOT more revealing of Adriens immense problems to his partner, is VERY telling. Besides other things it tells us that this happens at the beginning of the arc that deals with (at least) Chats issues since Ladybug is still way too quickly too ready to accept her partner as "completely fine" again just because Chat makes it seem that way (while some negativity increasing guilt bubbles still to stick to him.).

And yet, others have already pointed it out that Ladybug IS noticing what Chat wanted to do and reacted accordingly...

she just didn't speak of it the way it is because it overwhelmed her, which calls back to Ladybugs "You have to stop doing this to me!" dialog.( For a great breakdown of her dialog HERE is a link to @flightfoot post)

In "Lies" Marinette was way too stressed by her new guardian role to even consider Chats side of it and therefore only spoke of her own, but in "Guilt trip" she's already past that stressful arc. So here she is immediately able to recognize Chats suicidal action for what it is, come to his (much needed) aid and lift her partners spirit the best she can by emotionally opening up to him (which is something we KNOW is incredibly hart for Marinette).

The difference between her reaction in "Lies" and in "Guilt trip" shows that Marinette has her guardian role already mostly handled and is now mentally able to be there for others again, so the extremely Marinette-centric "Truth"-like episodes are mostly passed. Now the episodes can bring Adrien/Chat Noir more into the game again and even shift to "Lies" - like episodes because MARINETTE can pay more attention to him again and isn't faced with something new, important and overwhelming Miraculous related every step she takes.

And THAT is extremely fair from a narrative standpoint.

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I really need to stop elaborating so much on these posts because I'm only NOW actually getting to the point of where Adriens journey will disconnect for a while from Ladybugs. Sorry guys.

Okay, to understand where I'm going with this I will have to quickly explain how I always saw Chat Noirs place in the Ladybug+Chat Noir vs Hawkmoth war ever since s1.

Because here is the thing: Adrien wasn't able to truly leave the battle field ONCE since the origins. Marinette was completely out of Hawkmoths and Gabriels reach once she detransformed, which balances out her basically being the personification of the good sides force. And Gabriel literally decided whenever or not the battle is even ACTIVE right now! Besides that he is in complete control of his own actions and environment, which gives him all the necessary time, safety and downtime he needs to act as the personification of the evil sides force.

Marinette and Gabriel always knew when they were safe and off the battle field, but ADRIEN never had that and it left him LITERALLY right in the middle of both Ladybugs and Hawkmoths sides.

You see, because before Adrien became Chat Noir he basically was part of Hawkmoths side just by default. He was born into this family, that's his father and lost mother and everything he knows. Adrien didn't/doesn't even have to KNOW that he is part of Hawkmoths side, he's his son at some level he just IS! And I'm not saying this as anything negative, Adrien coming from Hawkmoths side is literally the reason why he became Chat Noir!

Because whereas Gabriel is having the time of his damn life as evil terrorist, created out of tragic and sinister circumstances, ADRIEN on the other hand couldn't handle his families environment and very same circumstances anymore and accepted the role as Paris' hero to escape his heritage for a while.

Keywords being: a WHILE.

Something unique about Adrien I always loved is the fact that he is the villains abused, isolated and overworked SON, who becomes a hero to escape his depressing life and YET it was never Adriens intention to LEAVE IT. Adrien merely wanted to use his time as Chat Noir to let of some steam and breath freely while doing some hero work so he can go back into his civilian life and try to one day successfully ment his broken family. He couldn't handle the current situation anymore but he still always saw worth in his family/father. I have SO MUCH respect for that!

But him not intending to leave his family and instead regaining strength as Chat Noir to continue to hold onto it came with the downside of him not being able to fully become part of the good sides people/force either. Hence why Adriens/Chats place always felt so lost in comparison to Ladybugs and Hawkmoths clear positions. He's caught in between their extremes trying to balance out BOTH at the same time. What an impossible task!

So he couldn't put in the same focus as Ladybug into being the good sides force because he is literally burned out from his civilian life on Hawkmoths evil side. But he also couldn't be involved as an ACTIVE member of his fathers evil force, because he chose to find refuge in his friends and as a hero on Ladybugs side.

Adrien unknowingly is part of BOTH the shows two extreme moral sides of good and evil and this season we will see Adrien/Chat Noir grow into his own within BOTH sides as well.

Because he simply couldn't have done so right away in s1. Now after 3 seasons Chat Noir is more than solidly established as one of Paris Heros and his time with Ladybug, the other heros and his normal friends helped him greatly to find his place on the good side. "Lies" set this up as Chat Noirs arcs starting point that now he has to stop connecting "being heroic" strictly with following Ladybug (as Marinette is the STAND IN personification for the good side, she's still a flawed human being like everyone else and not the ultimate force of perfect and good. Big difference.) just as he has to start looking past his fathers sympathetic moments/qualities to see that Hawkmoth isn't a 100%, inhumane monster just because he is the stand-in personification of evil in their fight, but the man he calls Father and still needs to be taken down. (I talked about this in more detail on THIS post)

Adrien has to seperat himself from Ladybugs path and focus on his family and I believe it'll start with the much dreaded (but expected) Ladynoir fight.

Funnily enough, what I'm talking about was actually already set up in "Frozer" I just didn't remember that for a bit. In "Frozer" we saw Ladynoir having a fight which caused Chat Noir to go his own way in the episodes battle.

I always found it interesting that the episode didn't had Chats decision, to not follow Ladybugs lead here, turn out to be a huge mistake. Almost every other show would have done so but now I think I understand. This episode and s2 in general SET UP the s4 conflict, s3 LEAD UP to it and now s4 DELIVERS it.

So what happened in "Frozer" is a direct parallel to what about to go down:

Ladynoirs fight will cause Chat Noir to not simply follow Ladybugs side anymore the way he used to, but note, he DOESN'T leave the good side AND they make up again in the end after Chat saves Ladybug from the akuma. He just does things on his own because he isn't on great terms with her for a while. "Frozer" showed Chats decision to not only NOT be a mistake but also a necessary part of defeating the akuma, just the way it'll be in s4. Damn, Adrien breaking away from Ladybugs side, the way she (unintentionally tho) did at the beginning of the season, to focus more on himself and his family will be the game changing factor, when Adrien will have his completing arc where he goes from "not active character within the villain/backstory plot" to "ACTIVE character within the villain/backstory plot".

And we already saw with Marinette how many fast breakthroughs we get through these completing arcs. Which is also a reason for why Adriens/ Chats arc comes later in the season, because BUDDY. Once Adrien starts to actively uncover his families mystery and fathers secrets Gabriel is SCREWED! Adrien will gain the needed inside knowledge that complements Marinettes Miraculous power; and reunited they can take on whatever the hell kind of scale the Agrestes plan actually is.

So how to end this post? My biggest intention was to raise hope for everybody (myself included lol) who is right now very concerned and upset about how side-lined our boy is at the moment. But I prefer doing so in a way that actually works with canons context instead of sugarcoating what I don't like. And Adriens/Chats current position I definitely do NOT like but accepting it as realistic outcome from s1-s3 and set up for the escalation for both Ladynoir and his home situation gives it the proper purpose and pay off (narrative and character wise) that it SHOULD have.

Basically, the endcards of "Truth" and "Lies" show it perfectly.

It looks like ShadowMoth is turning a blind eye towards Adrien/Chat Noir because of Ladybugs new guardian status and "greater importance". But Gabriels tunnel vision on Ladybug will leave him vulnerable to his own sons secret actions against him and Gabriel won't see it coming until its already too late.

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The "Anti-Chat" Theory.

(Which is also why Chat Blanc 2.0 wont work and why Ladybug needs to be akumatized).

This is a turducken on my thoughts for S4 and the future of the show so just roll with it.

So, Season 4 has been wild so far, and if clues given by the writers and people involved in show are any indication, this is only the beginning, we are in for a bumpy ride and things are just going to keep getting worse.

In all the discourse revolving season 4 something that we are all mentioning is how “Chat Blanc” is still a thing and there is no guarantee it won’t happen again. If anything it now seems more likely Chat Noir will get akumatized considering the imminent Ladynoir fallout, and how Adrien is still living with his Father, as his isolation keeps getting worse. And though I am always In for some good Character angst, and I feel like it is necessary for Adrien to know about Chat Blanc, and/or for Chat Blanc to reappear, I don’t think Chat Blanc 2.0 is something Adrien nor the show needs right know.

This theory has many parts, I promise it all ties neatly at the end.

First things first, I may be a little biased, Chat Blanc is an episode I really enjoy. I love Time Travel shenanigans, and I was dying to see Adrien finally find out about his father. The heavy consequences of the episode were obviously erased, but the impact of it all still remains trough Marinette, whom we see in the episode ‘Sentibbubler’ is having nightmares about the whole thing. But still, I love the episode, and I really don’t want an “Stormy Weather 2”… which is an episode I heavily dislike, compared to THE BEST formulaic episode of the Whole show, a.k.a “Stormy Weather” a.k.a My favorite episode. So yeah, this whole first point is just me REALLY not wanting an episode called “Chat Blanc 2.0” But there is more to it, and is the fact that I don’t see how it could work out.

“Chat Blanc 2.0” is unnecessary, and the reason why is that bringing him back wouldn’t actually do anything besides perhaps bringing Ladynoir further apart. Ladybug still CAN’T know Chat noir’s identity, (Let’s be honest and admit that’s prolly s4 finale OR happening during s5) so the show would go out of its way to make his dialogue as plain as possible without mentioning his father being hawkmoth. And yes, I do realize that Chat has been bottling his emotions and it all is likely to come out during THE ladynoir fall out… But people are ignoring the elephant in the room which is that Chat Noir DOES NOT fight Ladybug.

I promise this is relevant.

Chat Noir, unless mind controlled, would never attack Ladybug. The most clear example of this is in “Gamer 2.0” when he straight up says “I could never bring myself to fight you” as he sacrifices himself for her, that added to their classic “Is us against the world, My Lady” every season finale, and Marinette’s “In case something happens to me” In ‘Optygami’, it all could pretty well be a foreshadowing of a Ladynoir fight, where Ladybug is akumatized, and Chat has to willingly fight her. Yes, one could argue that he did fight her during ‘Chat Blanc’, but it could also be read as more of him trying to make her listen.

Where am I going with this? Chat Blanc 2.0 would be unable to bring the nuance the story needs right now. Chat Blanc still wouldn’t fight his father, because I doubt they won’t leave that for season 5. Chat Blanc still doesn’t have a motive to actually fight Ladybug. But the most important part is… What would happen at the end? What would be the change? What conversation are we having? What would be different than what we got in the original Chat Blanc?

To be fair, maybe I am wrong, maybe it can work out, this is just a theory. Maybe all the things I crossed out as impossible will actually happen, but I have been watching the show for 6 years, and If I have learned something about it, is that it is a slow burn, in ALL the aspects.

So yes, I believe Ladybug/Marinette needs to be akumatized, but I also think that Adrien has to learn about Chat Blanc, and that Chat Blanc needs to reappear, having a bigger Role than just a nightmare. So… how does that tie with everything I just said? Easy, the “Anti- Chat” Theory’

So you probably remember “Anti-Bug”, one of the best episodes from season 1, where Chole tries to help Ladybug, she doesn’t listen, and Chloe ends up being akumatized into “Ladybug but evil” … In theory, that is the deal, and is no wonder I am picking Felix Graham De Vanily to fill this role.

From an animation perspective, Felix is the obvious choice, he is identical to Adrien, and if following Anti-bug’s logic in costume desing, that would mean they can reuse Chat Blanc model with no alteration needed.

Now, How would this work? By giving Ladybug a jump scare. She thinks she has to live one of her worst nightmares again, to then find out “Oh… This is not Chat Noir” while still creating enough tension, by looking scared and distraught, that she HAS to tell him that she is scared of him being akumatized WITHOUT actually needing to mention the alternative timeline. This gives Chat noir the chance to lash out, once he realizes this is part of why ladybug is keeping him away, which can lead to Ladybug’s future akumatization.

Why this way? And please hear me out. Chat Noir NEEDS to let his emotions out, and I don’t think lashing out at ladybug is the best way but I see it as necessary. Adrien needs to take on more responsibility while being Chat, but he also needs to learn how to healthy express his emotions, because he is not allowed to do that in his current situation. Ladybug being akumatized because she feels guilty about Chat Noir allows Adrien to do BOTH. Because to save Ladybug he would have to realize “My emotions are valid, and is okey to let them out, but the way I did it was not the right one”, and both Ladybug and Chat Noir would have to apologize because this whole thing is not miscommunication… is a misunderstanding of their partners character. Ladybug needs to relay more on Chat and Chat needs to take on more responsibility… it won’t happen if Ladybug is the one that needs to save Chat Noir.

Adrien needs to realize that he needs to save himself, and that there’s people outside of his father that care for him. Ladybug is this figure that he looks up to and Admires, and is from a side of his life that his father has no control over, (At least from his perspective). So if she forgives him, if they are able to fix their relationship he will realize that things can get better.

Now, going back to Anti-Chat… his deal is way bigger than just bringing The Ladynoir fight… Is about setting up seasons 6 and 7.

What do we know so far? The Love Square and Gabriel’s Hawkmoth is going to come to an end by season 5. Which has left many fans wondering “Then what is happening on seasons 6 and 7?” And the best answer we have so far is in the episode “Timetagger” where Bunnix reveals that there is a whole team of miraculous holders fighting the Hawkmoth of the future, which is by the same episode confirmed to not be Gabriel Agreste. Besides this, I think it is safe to assume that the specials are quietly setting up themes that could come back In seasons 6 and 7.

Now, when speaking about characters that could be future villains the fandom seems to have its collective mind set on two individuals: Lila Rossi, and Felix Graham De Vanily.

Besides ‘Rocketear’, (E17), ‘Wishmaker’ (E18), and the special ’Shadow Moth’s last attack’ (Eps 25&26) we don’t know the names of the episodes of the second half of the season, which is really uncommon for miraculous ladybug, and the reason they gave us as to why is “You would know who is akumatized based on the names”… Which AGAIN, is really uncommon for ML. If you have been in this fandom for a long time you’ll realize that most people working in the show don’t really seem to care about spoilers. Now, this is kinda a conspiracy theory, but If you saw that there was an episode called “Anti-Chat” would you have assume it was any one other than Felix?…. No, right? That’s what I though. Miraculous has proven that it is good at subverting expectations, so when they are pointing at something (like a Chat Blanc 2.0 episode) it may not be as we want or suspected it to be. So I think an Anti-Chat episode makes a lot of sense.

Now, Why am I saying that this can set up future season? Buckle up, pals, here we go. What do we know about Felix?

He is evil, or at the very least seems to be ill-intentioned, if his attitude and look at the end of his episode is anything to go by.

He is after jewelry. Which, yeah, was only shown in that one episode he appeared, but this could pretty much be a foreshadowing of him later on going after the miraculous.

We know that he is bound to appear 3 more times

For this theory to work, I need it to happen in episode 22… Yes, the feared 100th episode of the show. It is not as important why Felix is akumatized, but what is happening WHILE he is akumatized.

Besides what has already been discussed, with Ladybug being scared, Ladynoir should not be able to work together. They are tumbling on each other because Chat Noir feels like she doesn’t trust him, but Ladybug NEEDS his reassurance right now, which he wont give.

This, is directly parallel with what is happening between Anti-Chat and Shadow Moth. Because Felix, even though he wants the miraculous, he won’t let himself be bossed around. He is demanding things from SM, and like in Robustus, Anti-Chat tries to, not just take Ladybug’s and Chat noir’s Miraculous, he wants to destroy Hawkmoth too. Which will lead to Shadow Moth being the reason he gets de-akumatized, instead Ladybug and Chat Noir saving him... bringing more fuel to the Ladynoir fire.

Now, Why should Felix have an attitude with Shadow Moth? Well, my friends… Do you remember, years ago, when the producers of the show said “The peacock miraculous holder will make Hawkmoth look like a baby”…. That’s not Mayura. Nathalie is a great miraculous holder, and she is really clever. But instead of making Gabriel look like a baby, she makes him look smart because he has someone like her on his team. What I am saying with this is that Felix, will suspect/ figure out Gabriel is Hawkmoth at the en of Anti-Chat, and that he will get the peacock miraculous during “The Last attack of Shadow Moth.” Thus, setting up a villain for future seasons.

This makes Felix 3 appearances be: In episode 22 (Anti-Chat), In episode 26 (SM last attack, part 2), and during S5’s finale. Felix situation will be much like Lila’s during s1 and s2 where she was introduced at the end of the first but not used until the end of the second.

Conclusion:

Felix Graham de Vanily has the potential to be a future villain and bring the Ladynoir conflict to finally surface.

And to clarify, The Ladynoir conflict, just like this Felix theory, is not something that will, nor can get resolved in one episode. If anything the fight will be around the end of season 4, and it will get resolved during season 5.

But again, this is just a theory, and I will probably be death wrong, but who knows?

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