#I'm still working on the structure rn for the current one and that's always the hardest part

[shikai-the-storyteller]

Me: I have a few FitPac ideas but I don't think I've written that much.

The document:

#The joke here is that this is only one of two documents I have compiling my stuff for them #WAIT NO. THREE. THREE DOCUMENTS #I forgot I had a new idea and pulled up a new document to write in a frenzy #I'm really bad about posting 'ficlets' or things that I don't think are polished 100% #so of this MAYBE I'll wind up with a ~5000 word piece after writing 20000 words or so #I write a lot but only like 5% of what I write ever sees the light of day #I'm still working on the structure rn for the current one and that's always the hardest part #This might wind up being a 5 times or whatever fic because there are too many similar things I want to write but all in a different light #but not different enough to be their own thing #idk I'm tired and stressed rn so I'm dropping this into Word TTS so I can hear it be read back to me while I try to chill & sleep #agh. #i talk #fic talk #qsmp talk #I never write in Word anymore I write in docs now since 90% of my writing these days is on mobile #I just never have time to write #and I can't focus anymore

[enihk-writes]

[hard to recall]

part of the [architect!reader] series can be read together with the other fics or as a standalone

pairing: pbss!chung myung x gn!they/them!reader

will be alternating povs from pbss!chung myung and mhdd!chung myung

summary: a hundred years and a few remnants later

word count: 5.50k

author's note: i got very demotivated towards the end but the og plot was supposed to be reader comes back from work to see mt hua in shambles and they tear down all the buildings they built just to secure funds and that's why the current sect looks so bare, and it's heartbreaking because reader is an architect and this was their life's hard work and cm knows that too and he realised there was virtually nothing left of that could remind him of them, like they put their soul into these structures and now it's gone type of thing,, and in the chaos of the aftermath when there was no one to lead the sect as the remaining elder they have to do it and everyone knows they tried their best and that they died miserable,, cm was supposed to find this out bit by bit through hyun jong and the other current elders... BUT like i said, i got suuuuuper demotivated towards the end because of writer's block so i scrapped the og idea... maybe i might come back to try writing it, but not in this story rn...

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what does it mean to be loved?

what does it take to be loved?

power? fame? money? or was it a good heart?

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they've always had a good head on their shoulders. some have said that it was a little too good. poised steady and head held high no matter the situation, had they been able to carry a sword like he, who knows what they could have accomplished?

but alas, they were not destined for such things.

the natural state of their qi clashed with the martial arts of mount hua. like water on fire, and it had left them weaker after each training session. they were lucky, having discovered this flaw early, or else they might have suffered more down the line.

talent is something you nurture to bloom.

he looks at them, eyebrows raised in questioning.

i'm going off to see what else i can do.

and just like that, they left. nothing much changed in his life. though, sometimes, he does feel as though it wasn't as noisy as it should have been. it's almost like there was a hard-to-ignore scratch on a perfectly polished marble.

the food tasted more bland now that they weren't watching over the cooks with an iron fist. the clothes didn't feel as crisp now, since the ones on duty these days didn't leave it out in the sun for as long as they used to. and dust was now left to collect in corners until it became too much to ignore, it wasn't like that when they were here — they would have gone down on their hands and knees to clean those annoying places obsessively.

he also might have missed that there was someone who talked to him like a peer, an actual peer, over most of the others who either talked to him like a child, their unreliable junior, someone to be feared and respected. it's nice to have someone your age to talk to, and he never really thought he needed that sort of companionship until they were gone.

well, he doesn't mind waiting. he was a pretty hard worker too, and wouldn't it be a little embarrassing for him if he had nothing to show for when they came back?

three years flew by so quickly, and he walks up to the front gates one unassuming day to find them reaching over to knock on the door.

he was a little shocked.

well, not shocked in the ah sense. but in the ahhhhh sense.

when they stood next to each other side-by-side, his mood went a little sour when he sees that they were still not much different in their height. he was hoping that he had grown more then they did.

welcome back.

mmh, i'm home~

he didn't ask about what they've been up to in the past three years while they were wandering across the country.

the elders seemed pleased when they all walked out of that long meeting, the elder in charge of the finance hall in particular looked a little happier than when he walked into the room.

huh. he would be lying if he said that this didn't make him wonder what happened to them in the past three years.

still, he kept his mouth shut, preferring to watch from the sidelines instead. grinning at them when they walked over in his direction, slinging an arm over their shoulders, annoying them like they hadn't ever left home.

dinnertime was noisy, the table where they sat was swarming with so many other disciples — all wanting to hear of their stories of the outside world. chung myung can't blame the others much, most of them weren't allowed to leave the sect grounds until they reached a certain age.

oh, him? he didn't get permission either, he just does it because he never cared about the rules. and it was this mindset that had all his seniors and other elders of the sect rubbing their temples in exasperation.

he watched from across the dining hall, chin propped in his hand, as the littlest ones tried to garner their attention by pawing at their thigh with small and chubby hands.

they laughed at the children's antics, carrying the youngest up from the ground, resting her on their lap as she was lulled to sleep against their chest. for a moment, they caught chung myung's gaze, looking at each other through the gaps between the crowd of people. they smile shyly at him, looking away when one of the older sect sisters asks them something.

chung myung's lips pull into a thin line, looking down at his half-empty plate of food awkwardly.

he wasn't sure why he wished for a moment that they were the only ones there in the dining hall then. maybe he wasn't used to having to share them with anyone, it was always just the two of them. with how chung myung was so quick to pick fights, nobody his age wanted to hang around him. only they had the patience to even try. and because of that, they slowly lost their friends — because if anybody wanted to be friends with chung myung, that person surely had something wrong with them.

he felt bad. knowing that he was the reason why nobody wanted to associate with them was a shitty feeling. he tried to chase them away in the beginning, never resorting to hurting them but he wasn't ever nice to them either.

go away!

nuh-uh!

that was always the way they greeted each other back then. he would hide from them in the tallest cupboards in the kitchen or in the trees or even the rooftops but they must have learnt something from his chung mun sa-hyung with how they still caught him each time effortlessly.

right.

this is how it's supposed to be. seeing them surrounded by so many people, all looking at them in awe and wonder. this was how they should have lived all this time.

the usual appetite he had vanished. pushing the food away, chung myung gets up to leave, slipping away into the cold night and away from the action.

white puffs of air float upwards at each exhale, gravel crunched under his feet as he drags them to bring him back to his room. he doesn't make it far though — there was a pitter-patter of light footsteps coming his way. he sighs and chuckles to himself.

he would know that sound of footsteps anywhere.

looking over his shoulder, he sees that the toddler sleeping soundly in their arms. it was amazing, how they managed to carry the child running without waking her up from all that shaking. he wonders for a moment if...

chung myung-ah.

he tilts his head.

let's put her to bed. she must be tired from staying awake for so long, poor baby.

he listens to them coo softly over the little girl's nose scrunching up from the cold. chung myung curiously pokes at the mounds of fat stored on the child's cheeks, snickering when the kid frowns in their sleep, grunting in protest.

they gasp and slaps his hand away.

hey! don't do that!

they whisper-yell, cradling the fussing baby's head closer to their chest, shushing her cries. rocking their arms, hoping the child would go back to sleep, which she thankfully did.

chung myung only looks away from their accusatory gaze.

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there used to be a nursery a little aways from the main dorms.

it wasn't there anymore. much like most of the buildings that used to stand here in mount hua back in its heyday.

it was just one of the many little things that had been torn down from trying to salvage sellable materials. that was nothing more than a product of time, and the actions taken by a sect struggling to feed the mouths living there.

it's been a hundred years, after all.

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why would you do something this pointless?

chung myung couldn't understand them. he leans against the wall with his arms crossed, talking to them through their window, with him on the outside as they were drawing out lines on a parchment paper by candlelight.

hm... but i don't think it's pointless though?

they state simply, not once looking up from their work. feeling neglected, chung myung whines a little. they were finally back after a good few years and now that he wanted to spend time with them, they're too busy? please look at me. he wants to say, beg even.

you're awfully clingy these days.

he hears their breathy chuckle. and the corners of their eyes crinkle up, lips barely hiding that wide toothy smile he'd missed seeing. though, it looked less childish than he last remembered. that's right. they're both grown up now, they're both adults now.

he wishes that they could be kids forever.

mostly because kids don't think too hard or dwell too long on things that hurt their brains. and whatever new winds that have begun to sail on the ship since they've returned to mount hua, was bringing them to a different destination than he thought they'd end up. he wasn't going to gamble on the possibility that they might have taken notice of this subtle change like he did too. all these thoughts hurt his head.

he listens to the sounds of the calligraphy brush dragged across the paper, tingles travelling up to his brain. it was late, he should be back in bed... but...

ahh...hnn...

chung myung yawns, not bothering to be polite around someone he's known his whole life. he hears them giggle again, but this time, they set their brush aside. leaning across the table, their fingers fiddled with something, soft clanks of wood bumped into each other for a moment before the window was finally thrown open.

come inside.

they call out to him with that same soft smile.

woah there! you shouldn't be inviting a man into your private quarters so easily like this! what if he misunderstands something... this is so intimate you know...

he gasps dramatically, even if this wasn't his first time in their room, this was his first time in their room as an adult. it was very much a significant thing to him.

they laugh again.

...you jest. we're friends, what's there to misunderstand?

ah. of course. they were only friends. nothing more, nothing less. what was there to get confused about?

he wordlessly climbs in through their window. taking off his boots before putting his foot down on their pristine floorboards. it's hard to forget about that time they scolded his ear off for dirtying the floor they had freshly cleaned.

you still remember to take your shoes off huh?

they mumble quietly.

you don't have to do that anymore though. i'm not as nit-picky as i used to be. i can always clean it up again.

he thinks they've certainly changed quite a bit.

his thoughts wander more, but his gaze never once leaving the drawings that came into being on the paper. thin and thick lines that formed into what he recognised as the entire scale layout of the current mount hua seen from above. he marvels at their small drawings of furniture in each of the miniature rooms.

he moves to stand behind them, eventually sitting on their bed after changing into the spare set of sleeping attire they've kept in their wardrobe just for him.

as the night wore on, he finally succumbs to his tired state, burrowing under the covers of their bed. he calls out to them to go to bed too, but it seems they've chosen to ignore him in favour of their work. he didn't have half the mind to try again — not when they had that look in their eye. it was almost like a possession, some innate obsession that they'd somehow unearthed within themselves in the three years they were gone.

he doesn't remember them ever being like that. if anything, they were the most laid-back person he's ever known. with no particular ambition, no wants beyond what they needed... not much plans for their future. he didn't know what happened to them before they decided to leave, he still hasn't asked them about what happened in the time they were away. they've changed, and deep down he feels a little bitter for getting left behind, falling asleep with those thoughts running in his mind.

the next time he woke up, it was the beginning of daybreak. the room was still dark even with the sky slowly turning into a pale violet. he felt the covers lift and they climbed into bed as quietly as they could, not realising chung myung was very much awake.

ah!

they gasp, startled by the red of his irises staring right at them from under the blanket's dark shadows.

you scared me...

they mumble and whine tiredly, falling into his chest, his outstretched arms circling their waist, pulling them closer.

m'sorry...

his lips ghost on the crown of their head, a hand hesitates to cradle the back of their neck. what if that was too much? sure, they've huddled together under the covers on cold mornings like this countless times before... but they were younger then. now, things have changed. but maybe it's more him than they, or it was both.

he could think about that later. right now, he feels so warm and relaxed he feels himself drifting back to sleep again.

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that day when he had dug into the ground to find the secret vault for the ledgers, he just barely missed the pile of scrolls sitting on the bottom of the bookcase.

he got curious, opened them and saw a set of familiar drawings.

the lines were faded from a vibrant black to a faint grey and the parchment had also turned a little yellow on the edges. his fingers traced over the writing at the corner of the paper. it was a signature of that person's name. he tries and fails to remember the way their hands held onto that brush they'd often used.

it's been a hundred years, after all.

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recently, the elders have been discussing about what to do with some of the main halls.

you see, they've neglected the management of the buildings in favour of setting aside the budget for other matters like investing in expanding the local businesses or other miscellaneous affairs. they'd figured there wasn't really a need to keep up with building maintenance, not when these halls have been standing well and good for the past few centuries.

though the main issue now was that there was a wee bit of a nothing-too-serious case of termite infestation going on in the wooden frames on a select few of the said buildings. ugh, more work everyone around.

oh! but it's not for chung myung though!

he remained blissfully unaware about the current plight of a certain person until he comes across them slumped against the outer walls of the back gates, head in their hands.

hey...

there was a slight hesitation in his voice.

hm?

they look up to meet his worried gaze with a confused, sheepish smile. loud growling of their stomach interrupting the moment.

he feels his irritation grow. seriously! they were old enough to take care of their own needs! no sane person would choose to ignore those needs to keep on working!

nausea hits them hard when chung myung pulls them to their feet, the world around them spins as their knees grow weak and buckle. thank god for his reflexes, catching them before they fall to the ground — but now what?

he does what chung myung does best.

throwing the poor and sick, now his supposed patient, over his shoulder like a sack of rice.

they don't even bother fighting back instead, they fade in and out of the intense feeling of wanting to throw up on chung myung or passing out — wondering to themselves if this guy was genuinely trying to put them to an early grave.

put me down...

nuh-uh. you need to eat.

they groan in exasperation.

and they passed out soon after.

in the days following that fainting scare, everyone agrees to take a step back. probably feeling guilty that they were driving one of their own like a workhorse. but that isn't enough to stop someone who's a known workaholic. chung myung doesn't remember them being like this before.

though a friend was a friend, and he shoves down the ugly feeling slowly brewing in the pit of his gut to take care of them. he was dependable when he wanted to be. just don't expect it to happen every time.

he knew the corners of the sect they liked to be, and in each of those corners, he'd put down his clumsily made step-stools — uneven and shaky, made from scrap pieces of branches and logs he found. it wasn't the best workmanship in the world, though they were delighted that he did this for them nonetheless.

not long after, there was a second, more polished and well-made stool that stood next to each and every one of those misshapen ones. and in the duo's later years, a third one was added to the lineup.

it was a common sight for the younger disciples to see two of their elders and another guy hunched over, roasting water chestnuts by the back gate like a bunch of delinquents until sect leader chung mun would drag their two elders by the collar as the third person trailed behind sheepishly.

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the back gates once made out of brick and stone had been torn down with only a low fragmented outline left behind. chung myung walks around that area until he stumbles on a mound of dirt by a wall still standing.

curiously, he kicks off the top layers of soil, revealing a splintered and rotting piece of wood. the more he unearths, the more the mound begins to take the shape of three step-stools.

his mouth waters at the smell of roasted chestnuts wafting from the kitchen. he hasn't had that in a while.

it's been a hundred years, after all.

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loud banging noises from dawn till midday were the norm this past week.

almost everyone bit their tongues from complaining. it was a necessary process, after all. even the elders held back from commenting on the ruckus. of course they did, this whole mess was their fault! who asked them to neglect building maintenance!

they were perched on a bamboo scaffolding, mumbling curses under their breath. straining to pull out rotted wood, trying not to squirm at the disgusting look of wet mold. cleaning out the gaping holes and filling them out one by one was a cheapskate way really — but what the elders ask for, they had to deliver. no matter how tiresome the job was, they have to prove themselves.

somewhere in the back of their mind, a voice was always condemning them. telling them over and over on repeat how useless they were, not being able to pick up on the basic skill of using a sword in a martial arts sect. the odd one out, the nail that stuck out, the stubborn thorn that got on the soles of one's foot. all descriptors that applied to them. their master, a man whose name they didn't want to speak of, was a cruel one. they always felt like a freeloader, taking and taking like a parasite, his words, what use did they have other than being another mouth the sect had to feed?

just as the rest of the world faded into a blur, a familiar voice cuts through the fog of their spiralling thoughts.

he calls out to them, face red from a combination of alcohol, running away from the seniors and the heat of summer. he clamours up the scaffolding with a small basket and a bottle of wine, trying to hide himself from view.

you aren't expecting me to hide you from our seniors... are you?

chung myung laughs nervously.

i'm not going to lie to someone to cover your ass.

urgh... you sound like those shaolin monks talking about the five virtues of righteousness...

they were about to snap back when a flurry of footsteps came their way — chung myung retreats further into the shadows, stilling from making any more noise. they glance over at him, before turning over to continue with their work.

a few of the junior brothers stop at the foot of the scaffolding, panting a little. the boys look up to their senior, nudging amongst themselves to ask the whereabouts of their other runaway senior.

uh, senior... have you seen...

the timid voice of the junior was interrupted by the loud banging of the hammer against the wood. and every time there seemed to be an opening, the banging quickly resumed again.

the boys decided to just give up and report to the elders that they'd lost track of their runaway senior. grumbling amongst themselves about how they've wasted their time.

chung myung remained in his spot, only coming out when the coast was completely clear. all while they were still hard at work, pulling out the wood, and filling out the holes.

he reached into the basket, plucking out a kumquat from the bunch. he blows the dust off it and wipes it clean before nudging the fruit to the other's lips.

open your mouth... ahhh...

the kumquats were just as sweet and tart as expected. they chew on it thoughtfully, gathering the seeds under their tongue to spit it out. chung myung's hand moves to hover under their chin, and they raise an eyebrow in question.

you can spit the seeds on my hand.

ew. that's so disgusting. what are you? a pervert?

the man looks at them indignantly. urgh, they were so rude! it's even worse than when they first left mount hua! to have believed life outside shaanxi would have changed this block-head potty-mouthed person was a pipe dream after all!

you... you're cussing me out, aren't you?

chung myung shakes his head quickly, knowing they weren't above tattling to their elders if he pissed them off. he's known this first-hand since childhood, and it doesn't seem like things were going to change in adulthood either.

you can buy my silence with some of those mooncakes you have or with the mandarin oranges in the basket.

he sucks in a breath. they were asking for his favourite mooncakes... they were so cruel... evil, evil bastard! what friend? this was clearly the devil in disguise, maybe he should have brought talismans to test that theory...

oi.

he grumbles in defeat, getting to work by diligently peeling the skin off the mandarin oranges, splitting the fruit into its little segments, and feeding it to them piece by piece with slices of mooncake in-between each fruit to cleanse their palate.

mmh... our chung myungie can be such a good boy too eh~

shut up!

they cackle and drown out his insults with the loud banging.

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the sect had been gifted a few carts of mandrin oranges by the merchant guild. chun myung had taken a few to snack on in his free time, and as he peels the skin off the fruit, he thinks about how nice it'd be to have someone to share these little slices with.

he bites on a piece.

it was sweet, but not like he remembered. and there was also a bitter aftertaste that left him feeling emptier than before.

it's been a hundred years, after all.

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war was such a devastating thing.

beyond the obvious loss of lives, there was also the grief gained from seeing someone who is still alive and kicking lose all that made them... them.

chung myung hasn't been himself in a long, long time. he barely remembers through the haze of liquor-induced stupor the type of person he used to be before this endless bloodshed. he smiled less, got agitated more often, and even for someone who had always seemed to attract wayward troublemakers this was all too much. he wonders what went wrong, did that person also notice something was wrong with him?

no. that person surely noticed. they were an architect for god's sake — being observant was part of their job description. he wanted to ask them why they hadn't been so hard on him like everyone else. the tension hanging in the air had made the sa-hyungs lash out at him, he somehow became the scapegoat that took on the blame for the smallest errors. not that he minded, he understood they didn't mean it, but it doesn't make it any less hurtful.

myung-ah.

he looks up, eyes clouded over and dazed. a vaguely familiar figure makes their way towards him, talking with someone, presumably the tavern owner, in hushed voices before a hand caresses his head gently. chung myung leaned into the touch, it was as comforting as it always was. he hasn't been seeing them as often as he'd like these days... he frowns at the realisation.

myung-ah. let's go home.

he groans as he feels them lean him against their shoulder. he's been told he smells like plum blossoms, most of the other swordsmen that practised the plum blossom divine arts did too — but they didn't, and he becomes curious about what they smell like. nuzzling his nose into the side of their head, he catches a whiff of what could only be described as laundry left under the sun.

this person... how was it possible for someone to be this comforting in every aspect of their being? it doesn't make sense, they were human were they not? how was someone able to have such a clear mind at all times? even chung mun sa-hyung slipped up once in a while, losing his patience, just like he did earlier today when he chastised chung myung for not taking things as seriously as he should have been.

do you... do you also think i haven't been doing my best?

he mumbles under his breath, voice strained and cracking just a little. he felt his stomach drop, out of nervousness or dread, he wasn't sure. maybe it was even both.

the two stop walking. they were at the foot of the steps leading up to the front gates. he looks at them, afraid to hear what their answer would be. he tries to laugh off his question, peeling himself off them and was just starting to go up the steps when he feels their hand grip at the back of his uniform.

they pull him back towards them and hesitantly pushed him to sit. chung myung watched the expressions on their face morph through the gaps of his hair hanging over his eyes. he was the most terrified he had ever been in his life — ever since he'd come to terms with the fact that he saw the person standing before him as someone more than a family or a friend, any prospect of them thinking of him in a negative light was enough to have him running with his tail between his legs.

he dare not say he was in love with them. not when he held so much unresolved resentment towards them for leaving him behind. he wished, still to this day that they hadn't gone off to find what they were good at. they should have stayed within the walls of the sect, they should have stayed here with him, where they would have never bloomed their talents and made everyone want to take them away from him. they could have been all his if they stayed, and he could have held them as close as he wanted, envelop them with his whole being. his love, all his, his, his.

chung myung-ah.

he tried not to make a face.

our chung myung works hard in his own way. i don't know about the others, but i do. i know you have your own ways of working hard.

they brushed his hair back, tucking some strands behind his ear. he hated it. he hated how it made him melt under their fingertips, hated how even after all these years he didn't have the courage to admit to something this simple.

they didn't know all of him. if they did would they still touch him this tenderly?

his hands find their waist, and then their hips. musing at the way their pupils dilated and shook, he tugged them towards him. they stumble over their feet, falling into his chest. there was a stupid grin plastered all over his face as the other tried to get up from the embarrassing position. his arms circle around them, pulling them in once more, setting them on his lap.

...you're drunk. you know that right?

they push away his face that had been inching closer. he holds their hand covering his mouth, pressing his lips against the inside of their palm — kissing it once, twice, a few more times until he felt satisfied, before moving their hand to rest on his cheek. he rubs his sand-papery jaw against their smooth palm, the tip of his nose tracing their wrist, thumb pulling down the long black bracer so his lips could reach the thumping vein lying under the thin layer of skin.

their breath hitches as his teeth grazes over their wrist, he ponders for a moment before biting down on the flesh. hard enough that they wince, whimpering softly, but not enough to draw up blood. they feel the back of their ears grow heated, not really wanting to find out whether it was from embarrassment or arousal. hitting at his shoulder with their free hand, they chide him for doing something so indecent out in the open, where anyone could see.

do you hate it?

that's not the point!

but... you don't hate this... right?

they turn away from his prying gaze. he wasn't wrong, they didn't hate that he was doing this. it's just... what if...

chung myung clicks his tongue. with a snap of his fingers, the alcohol in his system leaves completely in a translucent haze. he scoffs at the way their nose crinkled in disgust from the overpowering smell. he cradles their face into his chest, saving them from their little predicament. now sober, he agrees that he had been a little too carried away, so he digs his heels to the ground and kicks off into the air — still carrying them in his arms, jumping on rooftops until he reached the front of his private residence.

he refused to let them down even as he walked inside, despite their balled fist thumping on his shoulder. using that same scolding tone, still said in a soft voice, not once raising it in annoyance or anger.

with wide strides and feet falling heavily on the wooden floorboards, he locks every door and window in the residence — just in case someone becomes too nosy. tense body only relaxing in an exhale when they were both in the privacy of his bedroom. setting them down on the soft covers, he kneels at their feet, resting his chin lightly on the plush of their thigh, mumbling about how sorry he was for the roughness earlier.

it's okay.

their hands work their way through his hair, nails scratching lightly at his scalp, cupping his cheek and turning his face up towards them.

chung myung was a beautiful man.

he knows it, but their look of quiet admiration made the blood rush to his face. he wasn't used to seeing someone look at him so lovingly, not when men and women would throw themselves on him from the lust they felt, not when most people closest to him always had a furrow on their brow from the antics he pulled. this was so new to him, he didn't dare move, lest it broke this tender moment.

have they ever looked at anyone like this?

probably not, he thinks, closing his eyes to savour the smooth pad of their thumb drawing circles on his cheek. smile tugging up the side corner of his mouth as the scent of the sun grows a little closer, their lips brushing over the hard lines on his face, his sun-kissed skin.

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he doesn't have a lot of joys in this second life.

though there was one that everyone around him seemed to have picked up on. it was strange that someone as seemingly money-hungry as he was found content in the simplest things — his bedding washed in plum-blossom-scented soap, freshly dried to a crisp under the blazing sun.

what the others don't see was how behind the closed doors of his sleeping quarters he would hold onto the sheets so tightly in his grip his knuckles turned white. burrowing his face into the fabric, he breathed in deeply, trying to recall the face of his sun.

a hazy figure, a blurry visage.

it's been a hundred years, after all.

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[i-need-some-advice-on]

I need some advice on if I should encourage my partner to transition.

Okay, so I'm in a longterm, committed relationship with my partner. My partner can be best described as a closeted trans woman, but they have essentially decided that its "too late" for them to transition, they can never pass as a woman, etc, so they might as well live as a man. (As a side note they are comfortable with they/them atm)

Reasons why I feel like "closeted trans woman" is the best label for them:

1. They bring up their disphoria frequently, usually they have at least one depressive episode per month lasting around a week. The episodes are focused around "I would be happier with myself as a woman".

2. All of their OCs are women, every time they have a chance to express themselves via a character, it's a woman, and it makes them really happy.

3. Doing some traditionally femme stuff makes them temporarily happy, but is usually soon dashed against the rocks of disappointment when they start feeling like they look too masculine while doing it. (E.g. wearing femme clothes)

When I discovered this facet of theirs, I was essentially immediately encouraging of experimenting with femininity and accepting of them. However, all experiments ended with Point #3 where they thought they looked too masculine by the end of the experiment and got really disappointed and hurt.

After years of these swings between trying to "perform" as a man and experimenting with femininity, they came to a conclusion they could never be a woman who passes, and they should stop trying. I unfortunately see where they're coming from - they're extremely tall, very strongly built, masculine facial structure, receding hairline, and a LOT of body hair. Just to be clear, I find my partner extremely attractive and would continue finding them attractive if they would start transitioning. However, it seems their ideal vision of self is relatively traditionally feminine, and I do see how it would be challenging for them to achieve it with what they have to work with.

I never voiced it out loud, and was always openly supportive of them transitioning, reassuring them I would be attracted to them if they don't pass/look androgynous/look any way whatsoever, and so on.

Rn they seem to have settled on performing as a guy. They seem to be fairly stable emotionally for the last year or so and found an outlet through RP with me and OC development.

Would it be wrong of me if I keep nudging them toward transition thoughts, trying feminine things that make them happy, and so on? Or would I just be reopening a wound?

They say they're okay with being a guy and just living out fantasies, but I don't entierly believe them. Most of our sex life is built on various femininity-adjacent kinks and our OC fiction we work on together revolves around their character who transitions and builds a happier life for herself.

Some additional context:

They were raised very religious and are still dealing with unresolved religious trauma regarding other aspects of themselves.

We are currently in a very queer friendly state.

It's very likely both of our families would cut support to both of us and go no-contact if they transition. However, we plan to become entierly self sufficient within a year, which is when I plan to start bringing up transitioning again IF the general consensus is that it's something I could do without being a massive dick.

Thank you for reading!

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[kirnet]

actium update sunday

yeah it's been a hot minute since I did this!! Actium has currently released 112 pages (not including covers and other illustrations), which mostly shows poor pacing and a lack of experience on my end lol, but is also an accomplishment! i am almost done with chap 3, i just have one more update to release for that... which is unfortunately in the sketching phase still. whoops.

speaking of massive page counts being a symptom of poor planning lol, i am currently rewriting a lot of the future chapters i have planned, with special attention to chap 4. chap 4 introduces the main conflict that every character going forward will be competing for, and so i need to make sure it's solid, that i have no possible questions or vagueness about it. other than that, i'm rescripting a lot of things, cutting down on page counts and learning to use my panels more effectively. this is something that i will continue to get better and better at the more i do it, so i'm okay with the fact that it will probably change in the future as well.

to be completely honest, i was really throwing myself into a wall trying to rewrite, just getting stuck because i was so attached to certain sequences and ideas. i've finally gotten over that, and a part of that was changing the way i thought about actium's story structure! actium was always going to have three acts, but my problem was that i was looking at them as three acts of one "book," so to speak, and thus the structure wasn't really working. actium is big, it has a lot of ground to cover (a lot that i should cut probably lol), and thus the 3 act structure was leaving me treading water in some places... so i just changed it from 3 "acts" to three "books"! Thinking of actium as a trilogy honestly helped me slot a lot of my puzzle pieces into place? no idea why, but it's given me a clearer idea of that i want to accomplish going forward. it will all be released under one account and such, i'm not splitting it up other than mentally.

actium was always going to be an amateur passion project, something i love and embrace. it will show my flaws as a writer and artist (to an almost unbearable degree lol), but the only way for me to ever do or get better at anything is to dive in head first. I've learned a lot already from these 112 pages, and I know that it will just continue to get better and better as I go on. but, of course, making sure that my foundation is solid and fixing up my outline now will really help with that.

in terms of uploading, it will happen when it happens lol. im job hunting for a second job unfortunately rn, so my time will just be what it is. i might start uploading just the lined uncolored pages on patreon when i finish them, or i'll just put all my pages on patreon until i have enough of a chapter's backlog to start releasing them publicly. in terms of the website, it is still down, i just need to dedicate the time to rebuilding it off of wix, and i've been more focused on creating the actual pages to learn neocities or wherever i'm gonna host it. it's all very messy lol

as always tysm to everyone who reads it!! you all mean the world to me <3 i 'm spending the entirety of my day today (fingers crossed) on writing and editing, so I hope to have this phase wrapped up soon!

#ramblings #actium update sunday #now if you see me on here or discord i need you to put a hit out on me

[2shebears]

Intro/Pinned 💞

hi jumblr, I'm ray/רחל and this is my sideblog for jewish stuff! I follow from my main blog with the initials f-a-c. on this blog i want to talk about things like tzniut and gender roles, israel/palestine, indigeneity, antisemitism, xtian hegemony, community, and observance! so you know, all the jewish things.

=about me=

🇹🇼🇺🇸

27/cis/pan/she/her/hers

i speak english & français, have studied latin, italian, and ancient greek, have tiny household amounts of mandarin, and am learning modern hebrew

married!!!

(almost) intellectual property attorney, aiming to become a cultural property attorney for indigenous peoples! i've participated in UN talks about indigenous rights ✨

based in LA & NY

=faq=

literally just started this blog and nobody has interacted yet so there aren't any real frequently asked qs. i should say anticipated faq.

what's your jewish frame of reference? nominally aligned with open/modern orthodoxy (YCT beis din) but really post-denominational. my husband has an askhi dad and a mizrachi mom so we follow a mix of minhagim leaning heavily ashki. my observance is personal and evolving, but rn I cover my hair sometimes (always at shul & on holidays), host kosher-style, and attend a non-affiliated conservative-ish shul. I light candles and unplug on shabbat & chagim, and categorically will not do legal work, but I don't abstain from most muskeh. I'm an artist so being able to create on my holiest days is really special, sorry hashem. strongly dislike taharas hamispacha but am compliant on a technicality. I have multiple tattoos and multiple piercings (not just classic lobes). I spell out God but might evolve on this one. actually might evolve on basically all of these. I am a jewish work in progress!

what's your israel frame of reference? husband's family is largely in israel, incl olim, sabras, mena refugees. my in-laws live in jerusalem. i have both israeli and palestinian friends and coworkers. I got bit really hard by a cat in tel aviv once and had to get a rabies vax course and every doctor at the israeli health ministry made fun of me for getting bit (fair)

are you a zionist? if you're trying to follow a "good jew" begone. it depends on the definition. and if that wigs you out, begone. I believe jews deserve self-determination in the land and I think the state exists (and has existed for quite a while now — and btw 1948 is not late for a modern nation-state to have been founded). I follow israeli politics and discuss them with real live israelis, and can pretty comfortably say I oppose likud, bibi, and the death count & strategies of the current crisis, i think kahanists are terrorists, and I do not jam with theocracies. most of the time when people ask if I'm a zionist I say I'm not, because I'm not a likudnik and I want palestinians to be safe and happy. aand I don't want to get hate crimed at law school. if jews ask if i'm a zionist I go into the preceding explanation and then say I guess I probably am because I think israel does and should exist, and that we belong there.

you're (almost) an indigenous rights attorney, so who's indigenous to i/p? i believe that jews have a pretty good claim to indigeneity to that land according to the UN's operative loose definition (martínez cobo) but that the politics surrounding indigeneity also imply a power structure that does not exist within israeli borders, i.e. jews are not the party being disenfranchised within the nation state. imo we are still an indigenous tribal people with the right to self-determination in the land but whenever I have this conversation i have this feverish urge to start talking about power dynamics and indigeneity as an indefinite legal category. i think palestinians also have a good claim to indigeneity (with weaknesses of their own) and i think they also have the right to self-determination in the land. AND indigeneity doesn't legally guarantee one a state, AND the crises on the ground would be horrifying whether or not any party was indigenous. tldr i have too much to say on this. i'll use the tag #i/p indigeneity on this going fwd!

you posted something wrong about (insert thing here). ok not a question but please tell me if I do. I try to be a diligent fact checker but some things on social media are developing and unstable stories. I welcome fact checks always.

#pinned #jumblr #introductions

[meera000]

Happy belated solstice. these are my goals:

First, here is my half eaten ice cream-- yesterday for my work's socials we were shooting these cop copine tops we got in recently. an ice cream truck had conveniently parked outside the store so we were like let's get ice cream and then shoot. or shoot behind the truck because of its colors. the top i chose to wear was pink and blue so obviously i got bubble gum ice cream which quickly disappeared on me (my doing).

i keep talking about getting back in touch with my body. a lot of my relationship to my body has changed over the last year, with moving three times and being super depressed and feeling lost generally. summer goal #1 is to move move move. not to lose weight not to Get In Shape but because i love having a body and knowing that it's there and it helps me. i love feeling out of breath after running or dancing. i love rolling around on the ground. laying down in some grass counts too.

currently i am in three instagram group chats. mind you i hate instagram DMs and instagram group chats, but these ones are important for community. one of them is an allston/brighton book club, one is for yoga in the park near BU, and the last is events for femmes of color in the boston area. summer goal #2 is to be a part. when i was still in school i would get a lot of my Socializing With New People fill by loitering in the cafeteria between classes and hanging out with whoever i saw or who saw me. that structure, albeit loose, was important so i didn't build a shell around myself. i don't have that anymore. maybe instagram will help me here.

finally my summer goal #3 is to refine. my room feels hellish rn. i have so much shit. or even if i don't actually it feels like i do. i forget to clean and my closet is stuffed and i'm stressed. every day i'm like i'll organize when i get home. it never happens-- always too tired etc. we're moving on september 1st. for my new room i need to be a bit more minimal while still expressing myself. self-expression is so important to me and everything in my life but that doesn't happen as effectively for me when stress is there too. moving is also a reason to have a yard sale. i know at least a few people want my clothes!

i am grateful for quite literally everything rn. every day i feel inspired, even if i'm not necessarily motivated. slayy i love being excited. #Love

#my posts

[thot-farm]

This was supposed to be a short thing about a current brainrot and then it turned into headcanons and you can read my motivation dwindle into nothingness.

I've been thinking about a poly relationship between Erwin, Levi, Eren and Mika. I don't even like some of these pairings individually, but together it's very intriguing.

I don't even know what to call this Eruererivamika? Erumikarenri? Ackerman's and their angry men? Mikasa's harem?

The idea of Eren and Mika lovingly annoying the shit out of out of the other two and vice versa is adorable.

Levi would never be cold, he would never get the chance. At least one of them would always be there to smother him with cuddles.

I can only think of 3 downsides to this rn. (Warning I bounce between scout and modern au and there is barely and structure to this.)

1. Possessiveness, but if they are as Possessive as each other would it still create problems? Levi is the only one I can't imagine being that possessive. The other 3 though...eh they are going to have to communicate about that...which leads me into the next problem.

2. Communication, I'M NOT SAYING THEY CAN'T COMMUNICATE WITH EACHOTHER!! they can, it's just not there strongest skills. They would definitely have to work on it.

I always saw Mikasa as someone who would bottle all her problems up till she exploded. Sadness, anger, anxieties, and all the other stresses from this kind of relationship, and being a scout on top of all that. All being thrown out at once the minute conflict starts. Probably not a great mix with Eren.

I don't see Eren bottling up his frustrations with them at all, probably the start of most arguments. another worry with him is well violence, now I'm not saying he would hit one, he would never (he would cry). But throwing something (not in their direction obviously) or breaking furniture, his phone, a wall...this isn't sounding great oof....ima come back to Eren after the other two...

Levi, he is good at communicating and problem solving, he'd never initiate it though. He probably doesn't get an opportunity to say what's frustrating him when Mika and Eren start either. I can either see Levi completely shutting down during a conflict or if one of them pisses him off, he joins in (probably Eren insulted Mika so Levi insults Eren and then this goes back and forth while Mika cries.) (I thought I was projecting a bit on Mika's but oh boy, anyways i love anxious ball of Levi.)

Now Erwin, the only good communicator in this relationship. The one who can deescalate the argument and help them all communicate their feelings calmly and clearly. Now I'm not saying this man would never get mad at them and argue, but he has a much better control over his emotions and can think up of a solution to Mika and Erens yelling contest and Levi's aversion to it.

I did say I'd come back to Eren, but now I'm over procrastinating what i was supposed to be doing before, and am now procrastinating this.

I could totally act like there was never a third problem that I forgot, but it's going to bug me so maybe I'll reblog and add it or something if I ever remember it.

Anyways the best solution to their problems is....therapy. All 4 of them need it desperately.

No promises of me ever actually coming back to this, clearly I have commitment issues.

#oh wtf do i tag #rivamika #Erurivamika #Eruri #Erumika #ererivamika #im not tagging the other one because i cant tolerate the shippers #Eruererivamika #Erumikariren #Erumikarenri #im pulling tags out of my ass #Mikasa's harem #this fits in my rants and rambles category #rant

[tate-lin]

heyaaa Tate, happy last STS of the year!! it's hard coming up with an original end-of-year ask, so I'm just gonna shoot off a bunch of questions, and you feel free to answer whichever you want/haven't already:D are you satisfied with where you're at right now in your writing journey? where do you hope to be at this time next year? do you have any Must-Accomplish 2024 writing goals? anything new you'd like to try in your writing (technique-wise, story-wise, scheduling-wise, structure-wise, etc.) next year? any stories you'd like to start? end?

Thanks Cee and HAHA I really feel that!! XD

Yeahh I'm pretty satisfied right now! Though I am slightly disappointed that I couldn't finish my first draft this year, I do feel proud that I've been able to consistently write these days. I even bought a cute calendar to make sure that I keep my daily writing habit up.

As for where I hope to be next year... Definitely has to be 1) The completion of my first round of beta reading, and 2) Have a job that I like and am doing well in. I hope to be finished with my first draft in May so if I can keep to that timeline, my first round of beta reading can hopefully start in October. Currently job hunting rn actually but Dec is kinda slow - w -

Hmmm I'd like to try writing a webnovel in my spare time cause it looks fun and it's a good place to try out all those fanfiction-ey settings & plots that don't mesh well with English novels but idk if I actually have the time for it haha. I have some plans for one but the idea I'm most fond of so far is called Don't Kill Off My Protagonist! It's about a writer in his mid-30s who died, landed up in the world of his misery porn novel, and adopted his protagonist.

I probably can't start a new WIP till I send my current main one off for querying (which is looking to be around 2025) but when I do, I definitely wanna start work on Venom in the Scriptstream. It's still in the planning phases but so far I'm thinking of an armourer who is accused of murder and has to work with the clone of his dead twin sister in order to clear his name.

Honestly I have a lot of WIPs I wanna work on but I'm... Such a slow writer 😭

So I really have to rank my WIPs in order to decide which one to start on first. Another WIP I'm really looking forward to one day writing is called Venus & Mars Have Nothing On This and it's about a guy who reincarnated into a matriarchal world. I've always been interested in a feminist version of this concept but all the ones I've read with this setting all end up being huge disappointments (I'm looking at you, The World of Otome Games is Tough For Mobs 😒). It's a very difficult kind of story to pull off well tho so I'll have to study up a lot in order to write it.

#tate lin posts #tate lin replies #storyteller saturday

[onewomancitadel]

Oh my God, it's so far and in-between that I find someone who can write really good Knightfall fanfiction instead of just smut, and I thank you for that. It's a shame that this ship isn't more popular since I always feel like I'm in an extreme minority. I still like other ships, but God, there's something about it all that draws me in: enemies-to-lovers, the angst and drama, the weird sort of Courtly Love it invokes, the Slow Burn...

I'm new to this blog, so I hope you don't mind if I ask a question that you've answered before, but what are your hopes for Jaune and Cinder's character development (like, concerning them getting together)? I'm kind of hoping they develop traits that end up mirroring one another to reflect "convergent character growth" or something; I also really hope that their designs do it as well, like maybe Jaune gets heavier armor that has black/gold on it or Cinder has to use a new sword that looks suspiciously like Crocea Mors. What about you?

I am bouncing in my seat. Thank you anon. Welcome to my blog, I hope you have a nice stay, the drink of choice is Pepsi Max or Pepsi Max Vanilla. Sorry girlies, it's better than the sugar-free Coke.

Yeah I'll level with you: I seriously ship Knightfall, and not as an experimental sex scenario or as a crackship (it's not remotely a crackship). It's kind of funny when people assume that it's cracky or it's only something I'm into for the sex angle. I don't multiship, this is what I am totally and completely into, I'm extremely serious. This is serious business. Thank you for also (from the sounds of it) being the same as me because sometimes it is a bit of a struggle lol. I'm really flattered you enjoy my fic, that means a lot to me honestly. It started out as a bit of a lark because I figured nobody else shipped it the way I did (I also get the intense heart twinges from OTP's, so I don't know how normal other people are about it) and maybe like one or two people would read my fic lol. My favourite part so far about sharing it has been getting messages like this from other people who feel the same way. It's so much fun and makes me very happy. Edited to add here: but I should add the disclaimer I do write smut... I don’t knock on people who write smut, but for me I usually like my smut exploring character too... I just want to sound self-satisfied or superior here.  XD

On the note of courtly love, I'm not sure if you've seen me actually tag a Knightfall post courtly love BUT I HAVE, they're literally knight and Maiden. I love that so much thank you I'm so glad you saw it in them too lol. They really did that with the Maidens. *keyboard smash* ugh! But also I made a post recently about the troubadours and the Wound of Love (which imo also applies to B/umblebee, and probably R/enora, and probably Ro/segarden in the future) and it's just the intersection of all the stuff I love!!!!

And yes by all means, I welcome asks anytime about this ship, even if I've answered an ask before, my thoughts may have evolved. It also helps me on the front that I'll go back and refer to old posts and sometimes I surprise myself. I'm working on a bigger post at the moment about the ship as it stands in canon, and I have talked a little bit about how Jaune feels about Cinder before (can't find the post currently). But there are a few things I think that foreground the way their character arcs are related to each other (if I had to give you a scattershot - and most specifically their character arcs I'm discussing, not narrative structure the way I've done so before):

They're anima and animus (this is also like BB and RN, arguably RG as well), so reconciliation in some way is necessary, and so far in the show all anima/animus pairings have been romantic. All the entrappings of anima/animus is my favourite kind of stuff. I'm thinking also on the front of Campbell that to be compassionate and to empathise is also to be metaphysically be somebody else, which is why I find Jaune empathising with Cinder (and vice versa) compelling and also fitting on this front.

I think that in answer to Cinder's character, she needs some sort of unconditional offer... to my eyes, there are two possible characters who could ever get through to her (I specifically exclude Emerald because Emerald can never approach Cinder on honest humanistic terms since their partnership was a business transaction at best and I'm not sure if that's her role): Ruby and Jaune. Ruby has the initial hump because of her silver eyes. So it does lead me here and now to briefly speculate if he'll be involved in any way with her Grimm arm purification... I take that as a foregone conclusion that it's going to happen. I do generally hold they'll have an interaction with the Fall Maiden's Relic, because they fit the Indecisive King allusion a little too well - and I don't think the Sword of Destruction is any of his business.

I love that idea of convergent character growth and I think that's a great way to articulate something I've been trying to do so for ages. Cinder's highest point and Jaune's lowest point have both been respectively met in the same volume. Cinder's very clever and lies to Salem (her first rebellion), she's got the Relics, Ruby's dead and can't hurt her (YAY!), she didn't even go after the Maiden power, she thinks she's back on her manipulative game and now she's turned it on her master. Meanwhile Jaune is a healer and now a killer. So, I really, really love the way those character arcs can be read as growing together.

I think that there are answers to their issues inside of each other... and I also think there are a lot of similarities between the two of them. A pairing where one of them needs unconditional love and the other is ready to dole that out is catnip to me (particularly because he moved past his anger and vengeance in V5, he's set up to be in a position to give her more contemplation). When I think about what I would call the 'I want you to join me' moment, Jaune wouldn't be doing it because they need the Fall Maiden on their side, that's just the side boon because she's magical and awesome, the idea there should be that she is wanted unconditionally. I think she should find unconditional freedom and transformation on the side of Good. By the same stroke I think that Jaune can explore/reconcile his darkness and the things that he's done through her, like what he did was necessary for Penny, but it was painful. It's also a shock to his identity.

Kind of following off the first and last point... the greatest wound for Jaune (Pyrrha's death) is one committed by Cinder, but equally, there is a wound inside of her/and also given to her by him at Haven, and I think the greatest reconciliation for everything she has been through is him, and vice versa. "The wounds that can be healed only by the weapon that delivered the wound. [...] Well, the wound is the wound of my passion and agony of love for this creature, and the only one who can heal me is the one who delivered the blow, you know." Jaune's great fear that his teammates won't return/will die is soothed by Cinder's return, the one who could still come back (depending how far you want to go... she's in a state of metaphorical death), Cinder wants someone who will come back for her and take her with them (Rhodes never committed to this and was a very bad fairy godmother), and Cinder's moral, spiritual evolution can be realised this way.

On the aesthetics front: well, I have to admit... lol... I am... really crackpotty about this. Like, I think Cinder's metallic transition colour will be silver (like Ruby) from gold, which mirrors Jaune's transition from lead to gold. I also think her pin is her redeemed!outfit colour theme (the warm blue and the warm purple - stressing the warmth and that Blake's purple is cold, like shadow) which also works on the heart of the flame front. It... also very nicely matches Jaune's colours. You have orange and blue, and yellow and purple. Which is a RWBY thing for the ships. (Red/green, yellow/purple...). I don't think Cinder's final colour is the all-black ensemble - that's her transitional outfit. But yeah to tinfoil further, Cinder's always had the blue/purple pin, Jaune has always had the orange lining of his hood (her Aura is orange and so are her eyes) so like.... I'm happy if they keep that, honestly, but yes, if they both incorporated black and white as the extra accents (as Jaune already does) that would make me happy as well.

You can also see in my fic what I think about their weapons... I like the idea of her using a shield. XD They already mirror each other this way in canon, no one else except them use traditional weapons without guns/extra accoutrements attached. That was always suspicious to me. So I think on that front they probably don't need to do anymore to make them more like each other. I have this internal perception that Cinder and Jaune are like sword and shield (her consistent use of swords, his of his shield), so I like it a lot.

To wrap my post up: thank you for sending an ask and thank you for reading my fic! It's so lovely to hear from readers and also somebody similarly enthusiastic about the ship. It's a bit tough being a Cinder fan and a Knightfall fan lolol (I've made my bed), which thoroughly narrows down my interaction... I think the only thing I've really not liked about it is the perception it's a crackship, as well as very divergent interpretations of their characters I don't get along with, but otherwise the smaller fandom has been a lot of fun. (:

Seriously Knightfall just has everything I've ever wanted in a ship ever, I mean I love RWBY, I love the setting, I love most of the cast - so I don't have to be bogged down by boring characters when I'm writing a romance - I love fairytales, I've had to exercise some of my Greek to do Knightfall research, I love magic, I love bad guys and I never thought I'd get a villainess like this, or a hero, I love anima/animus (and it's clearly being textually used), I love the Wound of Love, I love ALL of that, so it's just the perfect storm. They're both my favourite characters! Independent of the ship! as well! There have been ships before where only one character interested me more than the other, and there was extra legwork to be done, but they're both very good, and even before Knightfall their scenes were my favourite scenes lol. So I'm very invested and it's a lot of fun.

#seraphina's asks #knightfall #the distance which fools the skimming eye #user: anonymouse

[cheswirls]

i got (sa) sw au brainworms a good 3hrs ago so like last semester im gonna dump what i have here and move on bc i Cannot w it rn. these arent bulleted like last time but ill try and structure them a lil as i copy/paste from my phone.

kinda long?? watch the cut (again rip mobile users)

"i wasn't born with the aptitude for the light side of the force." "i'm not like you," sabo spits, directed at ace.

they are twelve when sabo's face ends up under stelly's boot. he has to breathe carefully, one side of his nose crushed under a hard sole. stelly's toes dig into his jaw. there's pressure on his bad ear.

they are twelve when stelly taunts and taunts and taunts, to the point that sabo bursts, energy seeping from every pore, enraged and infuriated and crazed and hunted. he scares stelly away with mere threat of harm, his aura enough to back his words, and the insatiable need for violence nearly forcing his hand.

he gets lost in his head, in his thoughts. so much so that he only manages to sit up from the floor. he's barely had time to calm down and process things before his mother is storming in with a trio of (empire) soldiers, stelly lingering in the doorway.

she's had enough, she declares, and with his father away on business it becomes the perfect chance to cast out their troublesome heir once and for all. and she's serious, sabo realizes, as he's hauled to his feet, the trio not giving him even an inch to counter. its a sick realization, one that leaves him unwilling to argue against her decision (father won't allow it, he still needs me-but then, how long would it be this time, until he returned home? and how long was he really willing to deal w sabo? he would give up eventually. right?)

(everyone always gave up eventually.) 10- first big change. sabo has his accident that (among other things) damages his ear to the point of near-total uselessness. ace has his chance encounter with shanks and co. 12- sabo is taken away by the (empire) 14- sabo stormtrooper montage (st?? or training, after he's been recruited, snapshots into the intenseness of the dark side)/ ace red hair montage/reflection 16- ace leaves on his own / sabo is named inquisitor 16+/bonus- ace taking up escort piloting / sabo getting blood on his hands, intentionally, for the first time sabo works as an inquisitor, called on to investigate any claims of force sensitivity, and entirely independent. when roger took his last stand, the Jedi had already been in hiding for many years. over a decade later, when sabo is deemed trained enough to enter the field on his own, the Jedi are (almost unheard of/) a threat of the past -all that remain are those who are predisposed to force-sensitivity, and while some prove more challenging to deal with, none of them are trained in the way of the force like jedi were. "and what should i call you?" "mark." "mark?" he snorts. "how utterly ordinary." (later) but that wasn't his real name. hints to dragon having body holo when meeting w sabo that only clicks after the fact. sabo puts two and two together that 'mark' had been the leader of the revolution. (or!!! sabo meets dragon out of disguise first w the fake name and figures he's jus another no-name rebel w that bad an alias. its not until much later when dragons face is revealed to the world that sabo realizes he had met him, once.) "the force doesn't work that way. its not magic." "magic? what nonsense is that?" "wha..? you've never heard of magic?"/ "something that makes the impossible possible. like in fairy tales and stuff." "that sounds ridiculous." but it sounds like hope, too, to believe in the impossible, and suddenly sabo feels very lonely. he's had such a dull, lifeless, lonely upbringing, one absent of fairy tales and magic and trivial things that leave such a lasting impression of hope its almost painful to imagine. sabos idea of 'cluing ace in' is to send him crashing into planets he knows the rebellion had been set up in more recently (not currently, because they never share that w him, so by the time he learns its already become abandoned). he's really expecting ace to be smarter than he is, but sabo doesn't know, so he keeps doing it, hoping ace will get the hint that there's a rebel faction he needs to be able to locate, take refuge in.

all ace knows is his ship keeps getting wrecked, and he's not the best handyman, so he has to find people to patch it up on every planet sabo sends him careening down into. (and seriously. ace knows he's a hell of a pilot, so how does sabo keep one-upping him? or, at the very least, tripping him up??)

the answer is, of course, sabo forcing openings in aces defense. his control in the force is so great that he pulls off little stunts without anyone catching on. aces ship will halt for a moment or two, just enough for sabo to get a good shot in. objects like asteroids or other space debris move into aces flight path, little things like this that give sabo the extra second he needs to be in perfect position.

(when ace grows more familiar with sabo, these extraordinary acts of precision no longer go unnoticed, but they're also no longer a problem for ace anymore ie not directed at him with ill intent.) (during final conflict) "and where the hell is sabo?" "he's off-world, sir." "went to chase after that ace guy. said he would/(he intends to) finish him off once and for all." "and its taking this long??" "he is roger's son, and he's been training for some time now. it won't be an easy victory." loyal to the very end, sabo is isolated from all his brethren during the final stand. when the dust settles, he's the only one left to mar his own name. he ends up on a desolate planet, the dark side of the force attached to his mind like the plague, and he lashes out, him and ace clashing blades with (on sabos end) the intent to kill. it takes so long for him to regain control (neither come out unscathed -sabo is comparatively worse) that when all is said and done, the rebellion has already secured their victory against the (empire).

#op #writing #hmmmmm eventually ill tag this so i can find it but not this time

[artemidian]

perfect! okay so the plan was work out at 10 but stuff happened and i wasn't able to. i woke up with a lot of dread/thought something bad was gonna happen if i got up lmfao (i get a lot of paranoia xx) but i did it anyway. blah blah blah i ate some toast cause my stomach hurt + i spilled boiling water on my leg (i do this a lot) + my tea bag opened in my tea and so there was stuff in my tea and i didn't like that. and i'm tired. i promise this is all relevant.

so i got that stuff done, but then my family started to wake up and do stuff (they get up late) and i hear everything they say cause i'm just. constantly listening for noises yk. and my sibling said some shit about me that pissed me off (they pissed me off last night too) and now i'm just :/. like i lowkey think i'm gonna cry but i can't cause there's nothing to cry about it. ANYWAYS so now i'm doing pre cal and it's not that bad (cause i'm doing practice problems, not notes. i hate doing notes) but i feel like i still need to work out. and my shoes are by my family and i don't wanna see them rn. and i'm getting hungry again (and i just remembered rn i forgot to take vitamins ugh) so yeah. basically things i need to Accomplish:

- pre cal (like 2 Things/lessons today cause i couldn't do one yesterday)

- work out (at least like. 20 minutes. i feel gross. i get nervous if i put it off at night tho because Night Time is always a whirlwind of What the Fuck)

- maybe clean. i just need to fold clothes and that's the chore i can never bring myself to do. everything else is clean lmfao, i might do my laundry tho if i can. i just need my family to Leave.

- maybe write. idk i'm really anxious today so idk what i'm gonna manage lol

i think that's it. i can give you my normal schedule so you can like. see how i'm a mess. i already got up 30 minutes late lmfao. but yeah ! do with that what you will !

okay so! schedule below!

step one: forgive the day

yeah this one sounds weird but it's a Thing I Do when i get morning anxiety/wake up later than i want to/have a bad morning and i've had to do it a Lot recently (thank you meds </3) so let me walk you through it. basically,, it's accepting that the start of my day happened how it did and then i'll choose a time to re-start my day (i'd say 11 for you but i doubt i'll finish typing by then lol. I do increments of 15 so i have time to re-make to-do lists if need be). it's a lot of like– neutrality? instead of frustration or forcing myself to be happy about it. like it helps when i feel like a mess– not all of my days will be perfectly on schedule. but within themselves they can be structured and functional even if they aren't My Usually Scheduled Day, and that's okay. anyways moving on–

two: get something to eat

okay i know that this one is currently not the best option because Family, but it makes sense in my head. you and hunger have a very on/off relationship, so best to eat when you start to get hungry, plus it makes sense for later in the day, and you'll need energy to get the rest of your stuff done, yk? so if you can find a way to grab something quick to eat (more toast w/ peanut butter if you like that? that's my go-to quick breakfast. i can give you more suggestions if you need them). and grab some water to drink too. hopefully you can make it so you're just kind of in and out without interacting with your family. oh and take your vitamins!

three: precal lesson one

it's probably stressing you out that you didn't get one one yesterday, which might be contributing to the morning anxiety (only bc i know mine gets worse if there's things i didn't do the day before, especially the whole "something bad will happen if you get up" feeling bc it feels like accepting that Yesterday is Over and i Cannot Finish That Task When I Needed To) but anyways. precal lesson! with any luck, math will soothe your brain and help you feel a bit more productive and such. math is one of the tactics on my disassociation doc that i give to my friends lol. it also gives your body a chance to rest and digest breakfast.

four: workout (and shower)

i don't think one precal lesson will take long enough to push this into the like. nighttime danger zone. so you should be fine in that regard. if you feel anxious about not doing it, remember that a.) it will get done and b.) you need time to yknow. get energy and such from your food. don't workout on an empty stomach (but working out right after you eat is also not the best idea lol). i think a twenty-minute workout is a good refresher for partway through the day, and it gives your mind a break from math. i have another friend who i help with scheduling and during the school year i'd usually have them do something active in between homework blocks. take it easy today, don't do anything extreme– you're tired and anxious. do what you can. just being active is enough. i put shower on the list because i don't think that going about the rest of your day with like sweat and such will help with your anxiety, just based off how i've seen you talk before. it's all up to you though.

five: more precal + snack break

now that you've done the things that are like. things you usually would either do in the mornings or would've done yesterday, take a breath and a second to acknowledge the things you've done today (yes i sound cheesy. you can't stop me though) and then start your second precal lesson. again, this is math, so it shouldn't be too bad, and as always, if you need help i'm here. as for the snack, depending on when you finish the other things, it could either be lunch, a post-workout snack, or an early dinner. whatever your body is able to have. and stay hydrated lol. you can eat whenever you'd like, whether that's right after your workout or in the middle of precal or when you finish the lesson.

six: whatever you need to do

this is just prescheduled time for if you need something, like eating or showering or time to relax or anything of the sort. yes you have time for this in your day.

seven: fold laundry

okay as someone who also has to force myself to do laundry and fold laundry i can assure you that it isn't that bad and it never takes as long as you think it does. put something on as background noise, a movie or show or a podcast or music, and just get it done. it won't be awful

eight: take the night as it comes

yes this is the opposite of what you've asked me to help with but here me out: if nights are consistency a whirlwind, it makes no sense trying to plan them, and more sense trying to learn to weather them. you can write? great. if not, that's okay. do what you can. family's being shitty? help yourself find a way to keep your mind off of it. have a headache? tired? anxious? give yourself some space to rest. etc, etc– basically try to adapt to whatever ends up happening instead of trying to get yourself to follow a specific guideline that isn't considerate of your situation and might end up causing more stress.

yes this took me like. thirty minutes to write out whoops </3

#isa’s an angel🌟 #talking with friends #owl post #the fact i took so long probably didn't help but i can only type so fast and my mom had questions about a shirt lmao

[frighthouseofalighthouse]

I'm gonna do it. I'll take all the history asks for 500, Alex!

OKAy. I may have to reblog and do an add-on, because I will almost certainly go over the 250 paragraph limit. ALSO NICE JEOPARDY REFERNCE. Okay, ready? Go.

1: Historical role model?

We could all stand to be more like Julie D'Aubigny.

2: Favorite underrated historical figure?

See above.

3: Funniest historical kerfuffle?

In 1774 Boston's Committee of Safety (John and Samuel Adams as well as Joseph Warren and PaulRevere were on it) was made up almost entirely of patriots, except for one man: Daniel Leonard. They couldn't decide anything important with him around so they would have a fake meeting and then be like OKAY IT'S AUGUST WE'RE HOT AND TIRED, LET'S GO HOME, and then after he'd left they'd lock themselves in a room and have their REAL, TREASONOUS MEETING. Reading about this is objectively one of the funniest things I have ever heard. It's literally the beack house episode of Brooklyn Nine-Nine where they have a fake party for Captain Holt.

4: Favorite conspiracy theory revolving around history?

Whatever the fuck the real story of the X FIles was (I've watched the whole thing multiple times and I still don't know what exactly what the point was. DOn't get me wrong I love it. It just makes no sense.)

5: Favorite political scandal to examine?

The XYZ Affair because I was there for it all and it's...a lot

6: Opinion on the presidential assassinations and their impact on America?

I answered this in depth last time I got that question and you can read my response here.

7: Which time period would you like to live in?

Either take me back to the revolution or put me in Victorian England (BARRING MEDICAL NONSENSE AND SOCIAL BARRIERS)

6 (again?!): Favorite historical fiction book?

See the assassination link!

8: Favorite tv show based on historical events, but not really faithful to real life?

Top choices are Outlander, TURN: Washington's Spies, Black Sails, and Ripper Street.

9: Favorite musical based on history?

*sarcasm* Definitely NOT Hamilton whaaaaaaat why would you even assume that?! Ahem. Also Les Mis is cool I guess.

10: Favorite movie based on history?

Wonder Woman!!!

11: Favorite biography?

The Swamp Fox by John Oller

12: If you could prevent one tragedy, which would you choose?

The Trump Administration.

13: Fun fact?

MLK and Anne Frank were born in the same year.

14: Favorite female monarch?

Cleopatra or Mary Queen of Scots.

15: Favorite war leader?

I'm biased but George Washington.

16: Favorite controversial leader?

Winston Churchill

17: Favorite feminist pioneer?

J U L I E D ' A U B I G N Y. Also Mary Read and ANne Bonney my queer pirate gals

18: Which president, in your opinion, was the best speaker?

No contest, Abraham Lincoln.

19: If you would travel back in time and kill anyone, who would it be?

Listen I’m not a fan of these questions when people are like “I’d kill Hitler” etc. bc butterfly effect, BUT The British officer who shot John Laurens can CATCH THESE MF HANDS

20: Opinion on each of the founding fathers?

Oh boy. This is an interesting question at this point in time because I am currently grappling with the fact that the people I worked with did not really believe in equality for all, and the system we built was designed to reflect this. However, it is a system that I believed in and put my everything towards so I have many conflicted feelings toward it rn. Anyway here's the low-down on the major ones. GEORGE WASHINGTON: Good guy, needed to loosen up and not be a slaveholder. JOHN ADAMS: old stinky man. Called me mushroom excrement once. Put him back in the swamp from whence he came. THOMAS JEFFERSON: Rapist. Slaveholder. Really stuffy. Founded an entire political party for People Who Don't Like Hamilton. Fuck him foreverrrr. JAMES MADISON: Friendly with me but betrayed me when Jefferson came back from France. 2/10, cute but do not trust him with your secrets or coffee order. JAMES MONROE: A teenager during the war and I barely ever saw him after that but he was fine ig. ALEXANDER HAMILTON: that me! Made mistakes but all around a cool(tm) guy. BENJAMIN FRANKLIN: fresh funky and really funny. Cooler than you'd expect an old man with gout to be.

21: Which leader do you think would make the best spouse?

No leaders are good spouses bc superiority complex.

22: Most pointless war in your opinion?

All. But King Phillip's War was especially whack.

23: John Wilkes Booth - crazy or crazy with a cause?

I mean of course he had a cause, but it was a bad one and having a cause doesn't make him less crazy. He was...really yikes.

24: Why do you think Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK and did he act alone?

Most certainly did not act alone. But I feel based on timeline of events and maps of the area that either he was paid off either by our own government or the Soviets, or one of the two set him up as a patsy. Then Jack Ruby was paid to cover up the tracks.

25: Opinion on assassinations of leaders in general?

Same as killing anyone else, I guess, murder is bad, and I don't think that's really the route that should be taken to remove dangerous parties from power. But in some cases it may be the only way of removing them, and, well, that is what it is.

26: Do you think we're going to repeat history because we haven't learned from it?

Always. It is constantly happening. There is nothing new.

27: Have you ever been teased for being a history nerd?

hahahahahahahahaha yeah. Ever since first grade.

28: Which historical figure do you think has been subject to the most fictionalization and elevated to a godlike status nowadays?

Due to the musical, Alexander Hamilton (me.) People need to realize that I wasn't perfect but also not evil. Just human.

29: Rant about your favorite topic?

See the other part of my Lincoln Assassination rant here

30: Favorite kids/teens history books?

The Dear America series and the Liberty's Kids novelizations are WHERE ITS AT.

31: How was your interest in history started?

I don't even know exactly when or how anymore. My mom's a book nerd and an archaeology/anthropology major, so I grew up in a house chock full of books, including history books. I've loved it ever since I could read, honestly.

32: Do you know a history professor?

I do not!

33: How did your favorite history teacher structure their class?

I was homeschooled so it was my mom. She made sure we covered every period, but other than that just let me pick out what interested me and what I wanted to read and explore. She read a ton of big historical books right alongside me and we'd discuss as we read. We still do this!

AND THAT'S THE HALFWAY POINT OF THESE. I HAVE TO GET READY FOR AN OVERNIGHT SHIFT AT WORK SOON SO I WILL LEAVE THIS HERE FOR NOW AND REBLOG WITH THE REST OF THEM UPDATED TOMORROW. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

#a series of essays anonymously published #history asks

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[2018-09-16T15:13:47Z] olso6229: Also just saw the workshop with Pablo is actually on Friday, not during our meeting time on Thursday.

[2018-09-16T15:14:26Z] olso6229: Does that affect anyone else? I can’t go if it’s on Friday during that time, if someone else wants to take my spot. :white_check_mark:

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[2018-09-17T06:44:33Z] mahla008: Just a link to a virtual tour of the Moriyama House, it's alot more complex and interesting than the movie showed. I have more articles and photos for anyone who's interested in seeing more

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Apply for a Campus Climate Micro-grant!

https://campus-climate.umn.edu/content/apply-campus-climate-micro-grant-1

[2018-09-18T19:51:33Z] mahla008:

[2018-09-18T19:51:50Z] mahla008: MINNCOR revenue in 2009

[2018-09-18T19:54:17Z] mahla008:

[2018-09-18T19:56:40Z] mahla008: 22 million

[2018-09-19T00:23:51Z] watso595: Is everyone (or a majority) able to meet Thursday before class? I feel it could be a good idea to talk about our edits to the guide in person and thought that might be the best option for time based on last week.

[2018-09-19T00:25:08Z] watso595: Also, should we have a way of marking those that have/have not been edited since class today? Maybe your initials/time that you edited in parentheses at the end of each point?

[2018-09-19T00:25:21Z] watso595: I’m open to other ideas too, just thought that could be helpful

[2018-09-19T01:53:46Z] karle029: when/where?

[2018-09-19T02:08:53Z] watso595: We could meet in studio maybe like an hour before class?

[2018-09-19T02:25:54Z] olso6229: I like that and im open to meeting anywhere

[2018-09-19T04:38:38Z] bialo011: Sounds good to me!

[2018-09-19T05:45:07Z] batzl015: I probably can’t make it before class, but I will try my best to condense and edit the guide tomorrow. I will note what I edited and when I did it.

[2018-09-19T15:04:27Z] schra470: I can be there before class as well!

[2018-09-19T15:05:44Z] mahla008: So studio an hour before?

[2018-09-19T16:09:54Z] watso595: Yeah let’s plan on that for those that can make it

[2018-09-19T17:14:34Z] rumbe003: Yoooo so Matt wanted me and Colton to spearhead a movement of changing the manifesto to be more "question based" if that makes sense

Instead of giving statements that work as solutions, let's use questions in the same way that we use design, to push boundaries, create problems, and push ourselves to think further and be more provocative

[2018-09-19T17:15:34Z] mahla008: So like, what is love?

[2018-09-19T17:16:09Z] rumbe003: Yeah something like that, or "How will we feel love?"

[2018-09-19T17:16:17Z] mahla008: Oooo

[2018-09-19T17:16:21Z] rumbe003: Questions with a slightly more specific scope

[2018-09-19T17:16:22Z] mahla008: I like that

[2018-09-19T17:16:23Z] rumbe003: if that makes sense

[2018-09-19T17:16:26Z] mahla008: Ye

[2018-09-19T17:17:08Z] rumbe003: Matt was really about it, he liked the idea of posing questions now, and potentially answering them later in the semester with our work

[2018-09-19T17:19:11Z] bialo011: Honestly not crazy about that

[2018-09-19T17:19:31Z] mahla008: That sounds better than trying to have a set of definitives without actually experiencing wecolab as a whole

[2018-09-19T17:20:39Z] batzl015: Yeah, I mean it’s a different structure so that could be interesting, but it seems like with questions as the structure, it gets really simple and bony provocative

[2018-09-19T17:20:47Z] batzl015: Like it doesn’t seem like anything new

[2018-09-19T17:21:08Z] rumbe003: Yeah idk man haha I'm just communicating what Matt was excited about and wanted me to do

[2018-09-19T17:21:34Z] batzl015: Cause we can ask questions all day, but making statements that cause you to ask questions seems a lot more powerful

[2018-09-19T17:22:17Z] rumbe003: That's true, but also i feel like statements are already defining the answer to any question we may come across

[2018-09-19T17:22:34Z] rumbe003: I'm down with whatever

[2018-09-19T17:23:10Z] mahla008: We just need to destil and condense our manifesto, maybe doing what we did and just make a statement for each word we want to convey

[2018-09-19T17:23:43Z] rumbe003: What if we do both?? Come up with a statement about love, and follow it up with, "How will we feel love?" Essentially saying "How will we enact the statement we just defined?"

[2018-09-19T17:23:53Z] bialo011: I think we should talk about it tomorrow. Because this is our manifesto too, not just what matt thinks is best.

[2018-09-19T17:24:11Z] rumbe003: ^truuuuuu

[2018-09-19T17:24:18Z] mahla008: But do we want it done tomorrow, cause I think Matt does

[2018-09-19T17:24:39Z] mahla008: Like finish it before class when most of us meet

[2018-09-19T17:25:53Z] rumbe003: We have to find a way to meet Matt straight on with productive resistance ya know?

[2018-09-19T17:26:28Z] bialo011: For sure

[2018-09-19T17:26:40Z] watso595: I think should still edit them as statements like we were planning

[2018-09-19T17:27:01Z] watso595: I agree we can talk about the question stuff tomorrow

[2018-09-19T17:28:16Z] batzl015: I’m prob gonna edit quite a bit today, I’ll keep changes noted in the comments

[2018-09-19T19:01:30Z] batzl015: I just moved every statement of the same category next to each other. I’m going to see if I can condense to eliminate redundancy/condense

[2018-09-19T19:23:15Z] danks010: I'm really up for whatever. On one hand, I think using questions would allow individuals to put there own meaning behind their answers, especially as it pertains to answer the why question behind the point of the manifesto. Although I realize it is our manifesto so I think it needs to revolve around our goals and thus statements might help hold us accountable and solidify our ability to collaborate as one based on a uniform standard. For tomorrow, I don't think we should change what we have in terms of rewriting them in the form of questions. As long as we can condense and form our statements in the right terms, it should work and if we discuss the question idea tomorrow and want to push that concept forward we can.

[2018-09-19T19:23:54Z] danks010: Also, I can try to meet an hour before class. No promises though because I'm not sure how traffic will be. But I can always try!

[2018-09-19T19:24:17Z] batzl015: I’m editing rn if anyone wants to hop in the google doc with me :+1::skin-tone-2:

[2018-09-19T19:24:28Z] batzl015: Feel free to scrub anything I’ve done haha

[2018-09-19T19:24:35Z] batzl015: Just leave comments so we can talk about it

[2018-09-19T19:25:25Z] batzl015: Also it looks like there’s room for 16 statements on one page... We’re currently at 28

[2018-09-19T19:30:44Z] bialo011: I can hop on in a sec

[2018-09-19T20:14:44Z] danks010: I be on in a half hour Oliver! Just finishing up the model for Brad's class.

[2018-09-19T20:15:26Z] batzl015: Cool, Andrew and I have done a lot of editing, but please look through and share opinions. That goes for everyone!!!

[2018-09-19T20:16:25Z] danks010: I'm going to completely change it.....Nah ill proofread it and add anything that needs adding. I'm sure its coming along!

[2018-09-19T20:51:37Z] batzl015: We should probably arrange, delete, and get close to finalizing by the end of today. Tomorrow morning can be for last touches

[2018-09-19T20:53:11Z] danks010: For sure! I'm reading over everything right now to get familiar with some of the changes.

[2018-09-19T21:30:28Z] karle029: was the Destil on purpose

[2018-09-19T21:31:42Z] karle029: have we thought about inviting matt to this slack?

[2018-09-19T21:32:42Z] bialo011: I think he is already

[2018-09-19T21:32:51Z] karle029: also if anyone is interested in researching prison labor and prison censorship historically and today I got some really great leads from Linnea at the archives

[2018-09-19T21:33:06Z] karle029:

[2018-09-19T21:33:13Z] karle029:

[2018-09-19T21:33:42Z] mahla008: Is anyone in rapson?

[2018-09-19T21:34:01Z] mahla008: Me and parker are in studio talking about this if others wanted to join

[2018-09-20T00:45:24Z] olso6229: yes, everyone including Matt is in the Slack channel. His handle is

[2018-09-20T00:47:35Z] olso6229: Has anyone else looked at Boris' work/website/views on art+collaboration/bio on WAM site?

[2018-09-20T00:51:48Z] olso6229:

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Portræt af Boris Oicherman

https://vimeo.com/141645079

[2018-09-20T00:55:45Z] mahla008: He looks so different lol

[2018-09-20T00:58:32Z] olso6229:

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Art

http://oicherman.net/boris/art

[2018-09-20T01:29:24Z] olso6229:

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From the Archives: Allan Kaprow on the Legacy of Jackson Pollock, in 1958 -

http://www.artnews.com/2018/02/09/archives-allan-kaprow-legacy-jackson-pollock-1958/

[2018-09-20T01:32:29Z] olso6229:

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Allan Kaprow - How to Make a Happening

https://youtu.be/8iCM-YIjyHE

[2018-09-20T01:54:29Z] olso6229: Here's a PDF transcription of the whole LP:

[2018-09-20T04:04:53Z] mahla008: Hey guys, don't like be mad at me or anything but i've been doing research on MINNCOR and idk if they are really that bad

[2018-09-20T04:49:35Z] mahla008: Like they still bad but like not as bad as I think we were lead to believe

[2018-09-20T12:15:13Z] olso6229: Oh yeah?

[2018-09-20T14:02:08Z] bialo011: how so?

[2018-09-20T14:12:46Z] mahla008: Are we meeting in studio?

[2018-09-20T17:38:27Z] batzl015: theres a mincorfurniture folder

[2018-09-20T17:38:33Z] batzl015: channel*

[2018-09-20T17:45:44Z] feria006: Tales of the traveling bag. To be continued

[2018-09-20T18:27:01Z] krieg087: So I was thinking a lot in class today about research, I re-watched 13th, and then watched a Portuguese film called "How Tasty is my Little Frenchman" that is inadvertently about imprisonment in 1500s colonial Brazil. Would anyone be interested in me creating a channel for research on the history of imprisonment and prison labor?

[2018-09-20T18:27:23Z] bialo011: do it

[2018-09-20T18:42:10Z] olso6229: Yes

[2018-09-20T18:44:06Z] olso6229: i wish my girlfriend was in the room for the first part of our conversation today, we would’ve learned so much about language

[2018-09-20T18:46:40Z] olson175: How so Lee?

[2018-09-20T18:58:12Z] olso6229: she did her undergrad in linguistics with several courses at graduate level during that time, her last 2 or 3 semesters of school were basically thesis

[2018-09-20T18:59:35Z] olson175: cool... would love to know who some of her favorite language thinkers are

[2018-09-20T19:00:00Z] olso6229: not chomsky, i can tell you that much

[2018-09-20T19:02:49Z] olson175: i love chomsky but, not because of his linguistic work

[2018-09-20T19:03:02Z] olson175: I wonder if she has thoughts on Barthes

[2018-09-20T19:07:07Z] olso6229: i will ask tonight. if anyone else has any questions about language, let me know anytime

[2018-09-20T19:08:05Z] krieg087: ^Same here Lee, my sister is currently getting her PHD in Linguistics and I can always ask her any questions as well!

[2018-09-20T19:08:35Z] olso6229: COOOOOOOOL

[2018-09-20T19:11:03Z] olson175: ask her about Barthes and Lakoff. I've watched a couple interesting lectures by Lakoff.

[2018-09-20T19:11:18Z] feria006: Bag makes it through lecture!

[2018-09-20T19:14:02Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-20T19:14:31Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-20T19:14:58Z] olso6229: Bag timelapse video + body art engulfed by bag body

[2018-09-20T19:34:34Z] krieg087: I absolutely will

[2018-09-20T19:43:43Z] olso6229: has anyone looked at the zines in the rapson library

[2018-09-20T19:45:35Z] olso6229: or read ursula le guin's the ones who walk away from omelas

[2018-09-20T19:45:57Z] olso6229: looking at the range of minncor products reminds me of her short story

[2018-09-21T00:47:08Z] santo204: Yee the zines in the library are really cool. Did we figure out if we were using a google drive or a Lightroom to upload media?

[2018-09-21T00:49:24Z] santo204: Or did we want to create a channel on this strictly for videos/photos/ other media

[2018-09-21T01:01:56Z] watso595: I thought we were planning on using Lightroom. I feel like starting a new channel for this might be good so we can share links to Lightroom and keep them in one place?

[2018-09-21T01:02:08Z] watso595: I can start a channel for media

[2018-09-21T01:17:29Z] santo204:

Apparently, Black Mountain College’s flame has been reignited on the same Claud location and has rebranded as School of the Alternative.

[2018-09-21T01:24:05Z] santo204: *campus not Claud

[2018-09-21T18:23:46Z] schra470: Hey guys! So Evan and I spent some time at Wilson library, and upon asking for information on university spending (and what kind of money is going from UMN to Minncor) we were directed to the "Purchasing Services" webpage. Although there were no readily available materials with this information, we contacted the general services via email and asked very politely who we may be able to get in contact with to understand the university's opinion on this matter. Hopefully they get back to me soon with some more information, and maybe a contact to sit down with and ask questions! Ill Keep you all posted :grin:

[2018-09-21T18:25:03Z] olso6229: Cool !!

[2018-09-21T18:26:03Z] kesse046: Here are some interesting resources:

[2018-09-21T18:26:08Z] kesse046: This video was helpful:

It mentioned these topics:

Minncor history:

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Prison Labor: Modern SLAVERY?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ7yN52tE5k

Burl Cain

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burl_Cain

[2018-09-21T18:27:22Z] mahla008: What a picture

[2018-09-21T18:27:42Z] batzl015: Just got out of the collaboration workshop :sunglasses: this is gonna be cool to do with you all

[2018-09-21T18:32:08Z] mahla008:

[2018-09-21T18:38:43Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-21T18:54:14Z] olso6229: ... none of the librarians at the downtown minneapolis library are cool with us taking a photo

[2018-09-21T18:54:44Z] olso6229: All of them have politely declined

[2018-09-21T18:56:25Z] olso6229: Only library entity we could get a photo with so far

[2018-09-21T18:56:35Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-21T18:57:40Z] olso6229: FINALLY

[2018-09-21T18:57:53Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-22T18:24:03Z] mahla008: Hey has anyone been to the university resuse center this year yet? They might have MINNCOR furinture that we can purchase and own to do stuff with

[2018-09-22T18:26:08Z] watso595: Haley mentioned that too... I haven’t been but I remember talking to some people who found the “dorm chairs” there before I knew they were minncor

[2018-09-22T18:26:45Z] mahla008: Cool well maybe that's a next weekend trip since they only open on saturdays

[2018-09-22T18:27:00Z] watso595: We can also get it for free since we would be using it for university purposes

[2018-09-22T18:27:34Z] mahla008: Ooo ye or unless anyone has time to go to the center with a car today?

[2018-09-22T18:47:14Z] watso595: I've started putting together some of the clips I took on Thursday into a short video. A lot of my videos need some editing in premiere so I think it could be easier if I use the file I've already started but if others are interested in putting that video together we can find a time to meet and work on it!

[2018-09-22T18:48:54Z] watso595: otherwise, if you have videos, could you throw them in the drive?

[2018-09-22T22:20:06Z] danks010: uploading them now Parker! Sorry its taking so long. It's a decent size file

[2018-09-23T00:06:41Z] danks010:

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Bag of Air Performance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z048OrJ57so&feature=youtu.be

[2018-09-23T00:07:02Z] danks010: This video has not been edited, so it is essentially the raw content

[2018-09-23T23:57:42Z] karle029: yes!

[2018-09-24T06:12:16Z] santo204: Parker, I’d be interrelated in meeting up this week & working on the film

[2018-09-24T15:37:03Z] schra470: A reply to my email to Purchasing Services about Minncor! Some good information in here!

[2018-09-24T15:38:51Z] batzl015: Good info find! could you post the spreadsheet as an attachment?

[2018-09-24T15:38:54Z] schra470: And here is the spreadsheet that details the amounts spent!

[2018-09-24T15:41:34Z] batzl015: cool! thanks!

[2018-09-24T17:17:19Z] rumbe003:

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13TH | Official Trailer [HD] | Netflix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V66F3WU2CKk

[2018-09-24T17:17:29Z] rumbe003: If anyone hasn't watched this yet, I would highly recommend doing so

[2018-09-24T17:17:57Z] rumbe003: Could help us gain some perspective and relate more closely to some of the stuff we'll be working on

[2018-09-24T20:01:42Z] danks010: I remembered that we touched on bell hooks a little bit last week and I found a really interesting book of her that related to Love and how people define, and acknowledge love and how love impacts relationships, both romantically and socially. I'm only a chapter in, but it is a really unique approach that I thought I would share with you. Here's the link for the online version of the book. It can be downloaded as a pdf from the site which is really nice.

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124493278-bell-hooks-All-About-Love.pdf

https://www.docdroid.net/goTB7E8/124493278-bell-hooks-all-about-love.pdf

[2018-09-24T20:04:32Z] danks010: She also talks about belonging in her work with regards to connection through love and compassion. She has a book about belonging, which I have attached, as well as a talk on youtube. Both are below and are very helpful in determining were each person belongs in this world. Really inspirational stuff and relates quite a bit to our manifesto. .

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Belonging: A Culture of Place by bell hooks

https://issuu.com/schoolofthedamned/docs/bell-hooks-belonging-a-culture-of-p

bell hooks & john a. powell: Belonging Through Connection (Othering & Belonging Conference 2015)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sX7fqIU4gQ

[2018-09-24T21:41:08Z] olson175: THX Colton!

[2018-09-24T22:03:21Z] olson175: Do any of you guys speak French?

[2018-09-24T22:14:18Z] karle029: I took three years of french in high school - so i would say very minimally haha

[2018-09-24T22:15:35Z] olson175: Andrew has been looking into Emanuele Coccia. He's mostly a European phenomenon so far but... there are some videos in French...

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Conversation: Emanuele Coccia - Vinciane Despret

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDGNEJfxAPg

[2018-09-24T22:17:25Z] olson175: Emanuele Coccia makes a couple appearances in the required texts... I hope you guys are digging in to those!

[2018-09-25T18:12:21Z] broad095: has joined the channel

[2018-09-25T18:46:13Z] boris: has joined the channel

[2018-09-25T22:35:18Z] olso6229: swapping my Chuck Close quote out of the zine FYI

[2018-09-25T22:39:44Z] olso6229: edited the wecolab guide doc, good to go

[2018-09-25T22:46:10Z] broad095: Is anyone else in favor of more images for the next edition? I feel like it might be too much text. Thoughts?

[2018-09-25T22:50:58Z] olso6229: Yes

[2018-09-25T22:51:03Z] olso6229: And sketches

[2018-09-25T22:51:17Z] olso6229: Im drawing the interview i did with my mom for the next zine

[2018-09-25T22:51:28Z] olso6229: Comic book / graphic novel style

[2018-09-26T01:01:03Z] renst011: There will definitely be more already from the documentation of last Tuesday and today

[2018-09-26T01:01:07Z] renst011: Plus yes for sure any imagery to support the individual assignments and referential images

[2018-09-26T01:13:37Z] olso6229: do you need any more photos from today’s session? I took a few, but i saw you had taken some too. Let me know

[2018-09-26T02:30:37Z] renst011: Feel free to throw them in the media channel! I won't know for sure until I start in on the next newsletter but the more pics the better

[2018-09-26T13:29:25Z] olso6229: asked my partner, Calli, what she thought about Barthes and Lakoff. She said "they're outside my specialization so i don't know enough about their theories to really make a statement about them. but i do prefer lakoffs theory of generative semantics to chomskys generative syntax. basically, we have to take semantics and meaning into account in sentence construction. chomsky syntax treats the mind and language as highly logical and mathematical. however, humans don't operate on that alone. communication relies on meaning, memory, and intention, which must be accounted for when discussing linguistics."

[2018-09-26T15:44:13Z] olso6229: and then i asked her about something she says about language often, that language is referential. "well when i say its referential, i'm talking about the fact that we can talk about the world around us. things and experiences. i believe its universal. remember the isolated mind conversation? a mind outside of any kind of environment would still have the capacity to refer to itself, its experience, and its functioning."

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[2018-09-26T15:45:32Z] olso6229: i'm curious to hear how this overlaps/aligns/conflicts? with color science/perception?

[2018-09-26T16:54:37Z] boris: Color is an extremely interesting case study of language. I believe I mentioned the book "Through the Language Glass"- it's about that. It's very related to Lakoff and Johnson's metaphor theory, and how metaphors are not just language constructs but creators of realities. Remind me next time in class, I'll tell more

[2018-09-26T21:18:37Z] mahla008:

[2018-09-26T21:20:06Z] olso6229: becomes one with paper

[2018-09-26T21:21:17Z] olso6229: becomes one with minerals

[2018-09-26T22:13:28Z] olso6229: Everyone needs to go to the library in the walker art center

[2018-09-26T22:34:57Z] danks010: Here are a few photos from and I from our trip at the Walker Art Center Library. Found tons of resources on many of the people we talked about, as well as some useful prison and manifesto resources as well.

[2018-09-26T22:35:14Z] danks010:

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[2018-09-26T22:35:45Z] danks010:

[2018-09-26T22:35:49Z] danks010:

[2018-09-26T22:36:14Z] danks010: Tons of stuff on john cage that could be useful for your interview with him!

[2018-09-26T22:38:33Z] feria006: HAPPY BIRTHDAY LEE!

[2018-09-26T22:39:47Z] olson175: NOW I'M HAPPY

[2018-09-26T22:42:11Z] olso6229: Thanks for the birthday love

[2018-09-26T22:43:44Z] olso6229: deep in this black mt college tome. Theres a photo in there of john cage, merce cunnigham, josef albers together

[2018-09-26T22:44:39Z] olso6229: explores a collection of UMN installation artwork over the years

[2018-09-26T22:45:51Z] olso6229: Finding a potential path through Kaleidoscope magazine as a way for the zine

[2018-09-26T22:46:16Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-26T22:46:44Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-26T22:48:08Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-26T22:48:20Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-26T22:48:49Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-26T23:09:59Z] olson175: Fun fact you guys! I designed Kaleidoscope Magazine's booth at the NADA Art Fair in NYC a few years ago!

[2018-09-26T23:24:10Z] karle029: Do you have a copy?

[2018-09-26T23:26:19Z] karle029: Some of the topics we've been talking about in class are also being discussed in my sustainability class--for the first time that I've been aware of.

[2018-09-26T23:27:04Z] karle029: If anyone is interested in reading the entire article (3 pages)

[2018-09-27T00:00:52Z] olso6229: then it isnt coincidence that we gravitate to kaleidoscope

[2018-09-27T01:14:14Z] rumbe003: Lots of relevant theories and ideas brought forward by artist Joseph Kosuth here that could definitely be applied to our work and it's "meaning" and how we will construct that meaning

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ARTISTS TALK #4: JOSEPH KOSUTH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hpfkIPTRBo

[2018-09-27T01:16:04Z] olso6229: anything helpful that we should bring when you teach us the pablo workshop?

[2018-09-27T01:17:19Z] olson175: Hey! Didn't I tell one of you guys to look into Joseph Kosuth and his chair piece? Who was that?

[2018-09-27T01:22:50Z] rumbe003: Haha it was me Matt

[2018-09-27T01:23:20Z] rumbe003: Well at least you told me to look into Joseph Kosuth, you never said anything specific about a chair piece, so maybe someone else as well

[2018-09-27T01:23:47Z] rumbe003: just a level of high energy and eagerness haha as cheesy as that sounds

[2018-09-27T17:47:17Z] olso6229: Anyone else want how can i help by ram dass? i just got another copy

[2018-09-27T17:53:51Z] danks010: Perhaps...Can you bring it to climate change and I'll take a peek at it!

[2018-09-27T17:54:02Z] olso6229: Yes

[2018-09-27T17:54:23Z] danks010: Alright! Coming in clutch....

[2018-09-27T17:54:29Z] olso6229: I think Public Functionary in NE minneapolis could be a guide for us, or something to draw from

[2018-09-27T17:54:32Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-27T17:55:24Z] olso6229: upcoming exhibits:

[2018-09-27T17:55:25Z] olso6229:

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— Public Functionary

https://publicfunctionary.org/calendar/racingmagpie

[2018-09-27T17:56:05Z] olso6229:

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— Public Functionary

https://publicfunctionary.org/calendar/conversation-matrix

[2018-09-27T18:13:17Z] olso6229: the new Moon Palace Books on Minnehaha is also very spicy right now

[2018-09-27T18:14:13Z] olso6229:

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Moon Palace Books

https://moonpalacebooks.com/?q=h.calevents

[2018-09-27T18:15:17Z] olso6229: They do a lot of readings/events with trans/gay/bi/etc authors. I don't know how to describe the sensation of being there but it's unlike any other bookstore I've been to

[2018-09-27T18:20:03Z] olso6229: also rad metal/noise concerts hahaha

[2018-09-27T19:26:46Z] olso6229:

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carsten höller: soma

https://www.designboom.com/art/carsten-holler-soma/

[2018-09-27T20:08:28Z] olso6229: revisiting my notes from allan kaprow's 1958 essay "the legacy of jackson pollock", this bit seemed relevant to our discussion about objects today

[2018-09-27T20:08:47Z] olso6229: maybe this can help guide us?

[2018-09-27T20:08:57Z] olso6229: At any rate, for now, we may consider that, except for rare instances, Western art tends to need many more indirections in achieving itself, placing more or less equal emphasis upon “things” and the relations between them. The crudeness of Jackson Pollock is not, therefore, uncouth or designed as such; it is manifestly frank and uncultivated, unsullied by training, trade secrets, finesse—a directness which the European artists he liked hoped for and partially succeeded in, but which he never had to strive after because he had it by nature. This by itself would be enough to teach us something.

It does. Pollock, as I see him, left us at the point where we must become preoccupied with and even dazzled by the space and objects of our everyday life, either our bodies, clothes, rooms, or, if need be, the vastness of Forty-Second Street. Not satisfied with the suggestion through paint of our other senses, we shall utilize the specific substances of sigh, sound, movements, people, odors, touch. Objects of every sort are materials for the new art: paint, chairs, food, electric and neon lights, smoke, water, old socks, a dog, movies, a thousand other things which will be discovered by the present generation of artists. Not only will these bold creators show us, as if for the first time, the world we have always had about us, but ignored, but they will disclose entirely unheard of happenings and events, found in garbage cans, police files, hotel lobbies, seen in store windows and on the streets, and sensed in dreams and horrible accidents. An odor of crushed strawberries, a letter from a friend or a billboard selling Draino; three taps on the front door, a scratch, a sigh or a voice lecturing endlessly, a blinding staccato flash, a bowler hat—all will become materials for this new concrete art.

[2018-09-27T20:18:26Z] olso6229: another forthcoming book from Emanuele Coccia in a couple months

[2018-09-27T20:18:30Z] olso6229:

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The Transitory Museum

https://www.wiley.com/en-ai/The+Transitory+Museum-p-9781509533077

[2018-09-27T20:18:44Z] olso6229: "Stemming from a case study of this genre-defining entity, this first philosophical inquiry into a store aims to shed a new light on how categories that have governed our modern social, economic, political and individual lives, such as commerce, art, fashion, museum, are being redefined today. It calls on us to re-engage with what we long considered to be separate: transcendence and immanence, human beings and their objects."

[2018-09-27T20:27:39Z] olso6229: Lil B was at my friend's house recently

[2018-09-27T20:29:15Z] olso6229: Emanuele Coccia interviewed about one of his new books this year (The Life of Plants: A Metaphysics of Melange), perspectives on biology/botany/chemistry here

[2018-09-27T20:29:17Z] olso6229: "Plants embody life’s continuity, not its separation into distinct realms."

[2018-09-27T20:29:31Z] olso6229: "The interesting thing is, the transformation of the atmosphere into an oxygenated atmosphere was a byproduct of plant metabolism. In fact, the primary function of photosynthesis is not the production of oxygen but the storage of solar energy in mass. The byproduct of that process is the production of oxygen."

[2018-09-27T20:29:57Z] olso6229: :seedling::seedling::seedling:

[2018-09-27T20:35:34Z] olso6229: I wanted to copy & paste every sentence from this interview

[2018-09-27T20:35:37Z] olso6229:

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Emanuele Coccia - purple MAGAZINE

http://purple.fr/magazine/purple-25yrs-anniv-issue-28/emanuele-coccia/

[2018-09-27T20:35:56Z] olso6229: This is powerful and I'm pre-ordering the book now

[2018-09-27T21:02:05Z] batzl015: Thanks for putting this interview up! I should get a little reading in before I interview my mom on the subject.

[2018-09-28T03:34:06Z] olso6229: EVERYONE WE NEED TO GO TO THIS

[2018-09-28T03:34:08Z] olso6229:

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Beyond Bars: A Public Reading - October 22, 2016, 7:00pm

https://www.mnprisonwriting.org/mpww-public-reading.html

[2018-09-28T03:34:29Z] olso6229: THIS IS CRITICAL

[2018-09-28T03:34:43Z] mahla008: #critical

[2018-09-28T03:43:12Z] olso6229: please someone else go to this tomorrow, im in a studio during this time so i cant

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We Are All Criminals | Share Your Story

https://wam.umn.edu/calendar/we-are-all-criminals-share-your-story/

[2018-09-28T04:04:47Z] batzl015: Just interviewed my mom (Janet Batzli) who teaches biology and ecology at the University of Wisconsin about Emanuele Coccia and the idea of oxygen as a byproduct. In short, we ended up talking about the larger systems involving plants and how nearly every part of the human body is directly related to plant processes. My mom’s dissertation research and expertise is in the process of nitrogen fixation which, similarly to Coccia’s book, involves plant byproducts and a symbiosis of microbes and plants existing while creating an environment for life to continue and flourish. Very cool in reference to connectedness.

[2018-09-28T04:05:22Z] batzl015: I have a link to explain nitrogen fixation a little better.

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nitrogen-fixing bacteria | Definition & Types

https://www.britannica.com/science/nitrogen-fixing-bacteria

[2018-09-28T04:07:09Z] olso6229: !!!

[2018-09-28T04:07:21Z] olso6229: I CANT WAIT TO SEE THE FULL INTERVIEW

[2018-09-28T04:08:22Z] olso6229: now interview emanuele coccia about your mom's ideas

[2018-09-28T04:09:04Z] watso595: Just read an interesting article for another class but I think there's a connection there. Something about trusting that the thing will take you somewhere and the importance of letting go to (in this case formal) prescriptions

[2018-09-28T04:09:06Z] watso595:

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Iceland students turn willow branches into materials range

https://www.dezeen.com/2016/03/18/iceland-academy-arts-product-design-students-willow-project-materials-range-designmarch-2016/

[2018-09-28T20:57:23Z] kesse046: Here's the thing I gave you guys yesterday. I hope this helps!

[2018-09-28T21:41:06Z] watso595: Hey guys, after you all send in your library selfies, come to studio for the BDA student association movie night at 7, we’ll have veggie chili!

[2018-09-28T22:32:58Z] olson175: Thanks for sharing these Evan. They aren't the only MINNCOR products tho. There are others as well. I discussed one with Brendan today that is a library cubicle/study carrel table that two people sit at. Sorta reminds me of when prisoners have visitors...? Something interesting about those forms...?

[2018-09-28T22:33:18Z] olson175:

[2018-09-29T04:22:32Z] rumbe003:

[2018-09-29T04:22:55Z] rumbe003: “I think collaboration is a prescription

or device that keeps one from getting hung up on a strong

single intention that blinds,” Rauschenberg reflected in

1987. “Every individual that you add to a project will result

in ten times as many new possibilities.”

[2018-09-29T04:23:32Z] rumbe003: This will tie into the workshop on Tuesday, more people = more possibilities

[2018-09-29T04:45:51Z] rumbe003: According to this article, prison labor has been exploited in the US for a lonnngggg time. In 1885(!!!!), prison industries produced 24.2 million dollars worth of products. That number had already skyrocketed up to 73.8 million dollars worth of products by 1923, and now it's valued at over 2 BILLION dollars worth of products a year. In 2001 it was valued at 1.8 billion, and it's already gone up.

[2018-09-29T11:44:22Z] olso6229: We should do a group outing before winter, maybe can can wonderland? Other ideas?

[2018-09-29T12:28:46Z] olso6229:

[2018-09-29T12:29:27Z] olso6229:

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PREVIEW Foam Magazine #51, Seer/Believer

https://issuu.com/foam-magazine/docs/41-004_fm51_01_reduced_pages_issuu_

[2018-09-29T12:44:47Z] olso6229: maybe we can use issuu as a platform to distribute our zine?

[2018-09-29T13:43:08Z] olso6229:

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Rick Owens: Furniture

https://www.moca.org/exhibition/rickowensfurniture

[2018-09-30T14:27:22Z] olso6229: Book arrived today!!

[2018-09-30T15:29:38Z] olson175: I'm a huge fan of Rick Owens! We remade one of his beds for an exhibit at Haus der Kunst in Munich

[2018-09-30T19:28:09Z] olso6229: WOW Ram Dass’ dolphin story at the start of How Can I Help? Also the chapter titled “helping prison”

[2018-09-30T19:28:38Z] olso6229: I have a reverse experience with a baby bird

[2018-09-30T20:17:32Z] karle029: Notes from class last tuesday, add to them if you have anything else to add/we can continue adding to this doc for future classes if that seems valuable

[2018-09-30T20:20:18Z] olso6229: YES thank you

[2018-09-30T21:47:48Z] karle029: I really enjoy a lot of these

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Art - Judd Foundation

https://juddfoundation.org/artist/art/

[2018-10-01T00:36:48Z] douga018: Hey guys, so I just saw a tweet about Washington State releasing prisoners that were convicted of marijuana possession, so I started to look into it more just by googling. I found a couple of different articles and a lot of them mention the war on drugs, a clear racial bias, and mass incarceration. I thought it related a lot to what we have talked about in class, here is a link to one of the articles. Its a nice short read, but relevant to our class discussions.

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Seattle To Become Latest City To Erase Past Marijuana Convictions

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/seattle-past-marijuana-convictions_us_5a7c661be4b044b3821a2a9f

[2018-10-01T01:45:52Z] olso6229: hey sasha, check these out, i dont know why your judd foundation link reminded me of this

[2018-10-01T01:45:54Z] olso6229:

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The Uncomfortable

https://www.theuncomfortable.com/

[2018-10-01T01:48:21Z] karle029: ooo fun thank you

[2018-10-01T02:33:18Z] olso6229:

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Library Record Detail

https://midwayart.org/library/record/9958/

[2018-10-01T02:38:56Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-01T02:48:33Z] watso595: Abe and I have started talking about noise music and I found a list of some of the music that was in Moriyama San if anyone is interested in listening

[2018-10-01T02:48:34Z] watso595:

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The Records of Yasuo Moriyama - Barbican Blog

http://blog.barbican.org.uk/2017/03/the-records-of-yasuo-moriyama/

[2018-10-01T02:52:30Z] olso6229: Merzbow's Pulse Demon is the obligatory album I have to mention

[2018-10-01T02:52:31Z] olso6229:

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Merzbow - Pulse Demon (Full Album)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AguPH0XBxdw

[2018-10-01T02:59:24Z] olso6229: soooooo we're all going to that moriyama gallery in london right???

[2018-10-01T02:59:27Z] olso6229: its open until june 23

[2018-10-01T02:59:35Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-01T02:59:48Z] mahla008: Hell ya

[2018-10-01T14:16:51Z] olso6229: about to pick up this book

[2018-10-01T14:16:52Z] olso6229:

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Stories of Almost Everyone - Hammer Museum

https://hammer.ucla.edu/exhibitions/2018/stories-of-almost-everyone/

[2018-10-01T16:43:40Z] olso6229: ram dass is still alive

[2018-10-01T16:43:45Z] olso6229: we should connect with him

[2018-10-01T16:44:19Z] olso6229: im calling it right now, when he dies someone is going to make a biopic and cast jaoquin phoenix as him

[2018-10-01T17:09:05Z] olso6229: this comes out tomorrow:

[2018-10-01T20:15:04Z] batzl015: IMPORTANT STUFF RIGHT HERE!!!! Sam and I are leading a workshop tomorrow for the class, it’s going to be super fun, but we’d like to communicate the following message in preparation for tomorrow morning.

[2018-10-01T20:16:05Z] batzl015: Internalize this message and do what you will with it: Think of something you’re an expert on, or passionate about, and come prepared to give an individual performance on it first thing tomorrow morning. Bring any materials/objects that you think may enhance your performances. Be creative, that is all.

[2018-10-01T21:12:04Z] mahla008: Me and Parker getting helped out by a lovely wood librarian

[2018-10-01T23:16:24Z] mahla008: I found 9 landscape manifesto books in the rapson trash just now

[2018-10-01T23:18:11Z] watso595: Whaaaat no

[2018-10-01T23:18:25Z] mahla008: come over here

[2018-10-01T23:20:18Z] mahla008: its about prison labor and using people for gain i.e. blood diamonds

[2018-10-01T23:20:26Z] mahla008: its so cool

[2018-10-01T23:21:59Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-01T23:22:28Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-01T23:23:55Z] mahla008: i'll bring them tomorrow so people who want to read them can get them after class

[2018-10-01T23:44:40Z] olso6229: Why were these in the trash???? :fearful::scream:

[2018-10-01T23:45:06Z] batzl015: those are COOL

[2018-10-01T23:50:10Z] mahla008: Idk I love them, I think Jacob Manz threw them out they were in a box with his name on it

[2018-10-02T02:58:52Z] rumbe003: IMPORTANT STUFF RIGHT HERE!!!! Oliver and I are leading a workshop tomorrow for the class, it’s going to be super fun, but we’d like to communicate the following message in preparation for tomorrow morning.

Internalize this message and do what you will with it: Think of something you’re an expert on, or passionate about, and come prepared to give an individual performance on it first thing tomorrow morning. Bring any materials/objects that you think may enhance your performances. Be creative, that is all.

[2018-10-02T02:58:57Z] rumbe003: Reposting so everyone sees it

[2018-10-02T05:09:07Z] danks010: I realize everyone has been researching different topics and different types of media with regards to finding information pertaining to prisons, prison labor, etc. With that being said, I decided to take a step out of the text aspect to see how forms can influence multiply people. Rather than continuing to flood the slack with readings and articles I have researched, I decided to look at a form of media that influences almost everyone. Thus, I looked into researching music about prison and how artists can evoke meaning and spread ideas about prison and prison labor. I created a document that starts to pile a list of songs and lyrics about prison songs, including links to the songs for those who have not heard some of them. For me, I think it was really beneficial to step back out of the book and see how prisons and prison labor is portrayed in other fields. Here is the link to the document, however if it does not work, I can share the google docs with everyone.

[2018-10-03T03:40:32Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-03T03:40:33Z] mahla008: Have you guys seen this?

[2018-10-03T03:40:41Z] mahla008: Rapson hall second floor

[2018-10-03T03:41:00Z] mahla008: Someone else is making zines

[2018-10-03T03:41:02Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-03T03:44:16Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-03T03:44:28Z] mahla008: Nothing too exciting but I got a couple if sweet buttons

[2018-10-03T03:44:50Z] mahla008: Maybe these people are someone to talk to

[2018-10-03T12:02:30Z] olso6229: thanks again for the landscape manifesto books, just read the manifesto on the inside covers

[2018-10-03T12:02:41Z] olso6229: I love the way its formatted

[2018-10-03T12:03:06Z] olso6229: Maybe something we can draw from if/when we reshape our wecolab manifesto later on?

[2018-10-03T12:25:43Z] olso6229: What do you all think of the undermining empire manifesto? I dont know how many people got a copy of it but we can share next time

[2018-10-03T12:27:13Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-03T12:27:37Z] olso6229: I feel like this one transcends the Canadian focus of the publication and bleeds over into what we’re doing

[2018-10-03T12:30:12Z] olso6229: Is there some way we can utilize voice with Danny’s project? Something that augments the experience? Like the idea we had to have a video loop projected on a wall/walls?

[2018-10-03T12:30:56Z] olso6229: How do you feel about that? Does the medium of voice excite you?

[2018-10-03T18:51:07Z] olso6229: Anyone else interested in going to this event? It's in Folwell Hall on Monday, November 5th at 4pm

[2018-10-03T18:54:26Z] olso6229: The title of the event itself seems compelling enough in relation to what we're doing. There's no event abstract up yet but I'll keep my eye on this one

[2018-10-03T19:50:39Z] olso6229: what did midway contemporary look like when you went? The gallery space only has paintings on one wall right now

[2018-10-03T19:50:54Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-03T19:51:09Z] batzl015: Yep!

[2018-10-03T19:51:43Z] batzl015: Also, I just put video of parts of the workshop on the drive

[2018-10-03T19:55:00Z] batzl015: Voice sounds really cool. I think t could be really cool for what we’re doing :+1::skin-tone-2:

[2018-10-03T20:00:50Z] mahla008: Insane book at Midway

[2018-10-03T20:01:09Z] mahla008: About prisoner abuse

[2018-10-03T21:44:17Z] olso6229: Whats going on with the prison playlist google doc? Can we make that a collaborative spotify playlist?

[2018-10-03T22:40:03Z] danks010: Ya that was mine Lee?

[2018-10-03T22:40:44Z] danks010: its suppose to be a collaborative playlist whereas anyone can add music that is prison related, maybe evokes ideas about prisons, etc.

[2018-10-03T22:41:51Z] olso6229: Is there a spotify set up? Or is it only a google doc right now?

[2018-10-03T22:43:21Z] danks010: Right now its just a google doc to document the songs, artists, and then I threw in some lyrics because I think it's important to understand the words and messages they are trying to evoke and or persuade others

[2018-10-03T22:48:28Z] danks010:

[2018-10-03T22:49:12Z] danks010:

[2018-10-03T22:49:30Z] danks010:

[2018-10-03T22:49:52Z] danks010:

[2018-10-03T22:50:17Z] olso6229: I have a different perspective on Yves Klein and Judo after reading through that book

[2018-10-03T22:50:48Z] olso6229: Tools of Disobedience was so simple but powerful

[2018-10-03T22:50:53Z] danks010: Some Lygia Clark Books at the Midway Contemporary Library! Good stuff there as well.

[2018-10-04T01:13:43Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-04T01:13:57Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-04T14:03:01Z] olson175:

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Pennsylvania Prisons Hired A Private Company To Intercept And Store Prisoners’ Mail

https://theappeal.org/pennsylvania-prisons-hired-a-private-company-to-intercept-and-store-prisoners-mail/

[2018-10-04T14:14:53Z] olso6229: What the f******k

[2018-10-04T14:14:56Z] olso6229: Hold on

[2018-10-04T14:22:49Z] olso6229: All mail to prisons in Pennsylvania gets routed through a private company in Florida

[2018-10-04T14:23:23Z] olso6229: The mail is scanned into a database, a photocopy is made and sent to the prison, and the original mail is destroyed

[2018-10-04T14:23:40Z] olso6229: "The DOC has also banned prisoners from receiving books from vendors—including book donation organizations like Books Through Bars. Instead, prisoners will have the option of paying for ebooks via tablets that cost over $147 each."

[2018-10-04T14:23:46Z] olso6229: >tablets that cost over $147 each

[2018-10-04T14:23:48Z] olso6229: HA

[2018-10-04T14:26:33Z] olso6229: The reason for this happening sounds like it was orchestrated by the Pennsylvania DOC

[2018-10-04T14:28:58Z] olso6229: “An incarcerated person may not want a private company to know about them and their family’s medical problems. They may not want a private company to know about grievances that they have."

[2018-10-04T14:29:16Z] olso6229: From Zeke Caliguiri we already know healthcare + medical access in prisons is a nightmare

[2018-10-04T14:40:55Z] olso6229: Oh man,

“This new policy is already having a chilling effect on how lawyers are communicating with their clients. Because legal mail is being opened and copied, attorney-client privilege is basically being ignored”

[2018-10-04T16:32:56Z] olso6229: Phillip Zimbardo

[2018-10-04T17:26:49Z] bialo011: ^his prison experiment was actually deeply flawed and widely regarded as being heavily biased. He basically set it up in a way where the guards where influenced to be more aggressive

[2018-10-04T17:42:46Z] olso6229: totally

[2018-10-04T17:43:47Z] olso6229: they definitely highlight that bias in him in the stanford prison experiment movie

[2018-10-04T17:45:27Z] olso6229: i think that incident could be valuable for us to look at, because we (maybe) are going to impact the space in a way where we want to encourage or suggest certain reactions (emotions, watcher/watched psychology shift, etc)

[2018-10-04T18:00:21Z] olso6229: WAIT, WOW

[2018-10-04T18:01:00Z] olso6229: A sign to push our video ideas ahead

[2018-10-04T18:01:34Z] olso6229: I had left off just before this paragraph in the Pennsylvania DOC article

[2018-10-04T18:01:36Z] olso6229: “Staff no longer are required to inspect each page for the presence of contraband, significantly reducing the time that staff handle or view privileged documents and allowing the inmate to receive the mail sooner. Finally, under the revised procedure, the entire transaction is recorded by video.”

[2018-10-04T18:02:08Z] olso6229: meta-recording

[2018-10-04T18:02:16Z] olso6229: i wonder if they have guards watching at the same time

[2018-10-04T18:02:17Z] danks010: My other idea came to me! I was thinking about the idea of freedom. We talked a lot about how prisoners are affected, what they lose, and I was thinking a lot about the idea of privacy or lack of privacy in prison. I think we often forget that privacy is a freedom and so I was curious of relating losing this privacy to the idea about observation. I'm not sure where I am headed with this idea, but just something I was thinking about......

[2018-10-04T18:13:34Z] danks010: Hey Matt, what was that video called with the prisoners chopping wood? It's been a while since I have seen it...I wanted to refresh my memory!

[2018-10-04T18:18:54Z] olso6229: take a look in today, are we set on the quotes? i think we need a better balance between men and women

[2018-10-04T18:19:50Z] olso6229: there are three quotes from that seems odd to me

[2018-10-04T18:19:58Z] renst011: The newsletter is already sent in for print but I added all of the quotes that were up before class today!

[2018-10-04T18:22:05Z] olso6229: ahhhh got it

[2018-10-04T18:22:57Z] olso6229: but thank you for crafting a wild zine with us!! :heart_eyes::rolled_up_newspaper:

[2018-10-04T18:28:44Z] batzl015: Yeah, I understand that they pertain to the class, but I think we already have Matt quotes in the writing he did for the first newsletter

[2018-10-04T18:29:03Z] batzl015: I think for the sake of diversity, we can leave those ones out

[2018-10-04T18:40:52Z] olso6229: Last section of the Pennsylvania DOC article:

[2018-10-04T18:43:15Z] olso6229: "The policy also bans educational programs and books donation programs. / Books Through Bars, a donation service that has operated in Pennsylvania for over 30 years, is protesting this change as censorship. Through the program, prisoners can request two or three free books every three months. / A “million books are published a year. The DOC is saying they’ll offer [about] 8,000 titles on e-readers,” [Keir Neuringer, a longtime volunteer with Books Through Bars, said.] “When you consider that those of us on the outside have access to millions and millions of titles. This policy cuts you out of such an enormous access to books.” Neuringer also stated that e-book tablets make it possible for the DOC to start monitoring what people were reading."

[2018-10-04T18:44:27Z] olso6229: I'm not going to read a million, much less 8,000, books in my lifetime

[2018-10-04T18:45:04Z] olso6229: My frame of mind on book access was changed already by us talking, and even more after reading this

[2018-10-04T18:45:51Z] olso6229: Yeah, all of us "on the outside" all have access to every coffee shop in the twin cities, but who cares?? It's a totally empty statement to me

[2018-10-04T19:00:09Z] boris: - might be this:

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no more, my lord

https://youtu.be/4Is6N4Q26Tc

[2018-10-04T19:01:58Z] danks010: Thanks Boris! This is exactly what I was looking for! :+1:

[2018-10-04T19:03:21Z] boris: note the sound of a chip striking the microphone towards the end

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Various - Negro Prison Songs

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Negro-Prison-Songs/release/1587237

[2018-10-04T19:04:41Z] boris: I have the record, maybe we should organize a listening session:)

[2018-10-04T19:04:45Z] olso6229: YES

[2018-10-04T19:05:52Z] danks010: I will definitely keep my ears peeled for it! Thanks again.

[2018-10-04T19:08:07Z] olso6229: Is there a turntable in the weisman? can we bring it down to the target gallery during our class? to see how our moods and ideas change with the addition of sound

[2018-10-04T19:08:54Z] danks010: YES! Great Idea...definitely would think it would change the space with some noise, especially with the vaulted ceilings bouncing the noise.

[2018-10-04T22:58:54Z] olson175: this is the largest user of prison labor in the state according to Danny...

[2018-10-04T23:49:49Z] batzl015: Whaaaaaaaaaat

[2018-10-04T23:50:02Z] karle029: lol the irony is 2 good

[2018-10-04T23:51:25Z] batzl015: Also everyone, meet up this weekend/Monday to discuss questions and principles of the book arrangement? I think best with others I think

[2018-10-04T23:51:52Z] olso6229: Aye aye

[2018-10-04T23:52:49Z] karle029: yeah i'm down

[2018-10-05T00:20:28Z] danks010: ill do my best to try to get there

[2018-10-05T01:19:40Z] fasbe023: I'm in

[2018-10-05T14:47:52Z] schra470: I only have one class Monday (11:15-12:30) so that sounds great to me

[2018-10-05T14:50:18Z] batzl015: Cool :+1::skin-tone-2:

[2018-10-05T15:11:04Z] schra470: Just remembered something I forgot to recommend yesterday during our short discussion on music! For all those who are curious about music, check out the “music” episode on a show called “explained” on Netflix. Super fascinating info on how humans understand and experience music unlike any other creature on earth. I think there is something to be said about how there’s no true way to explain how the human brain puts all the elements of music together and makes sense of it, and for that to cause an emotional reaction....just something to be curious about :thinking_face: Also, I’d recommend everyone just watch that show in general, every episode is super interesting and just makes you a little more knowledgeable about topics you may have never even thought about! And it comes out on a weekly basis, so you don’t run out of episodes to watch:slightly_smiling_face::v::skin-tone-2:

[2018-10-05T18:53:56Z] olso6229: cool ill check it out, whats the nutshell of how humans experience music differently??

[2018-10-05T18:55:09Z] olso6229: Is monday or sunday a better day to meet? Open invitation to everyone

[2018-10-05T18:57:03Z] schra470: Basically from what I remember, there are all these different aspects of music (pitch, rhythm, harmony, etc) that are exclusively detected by different species, but we actually use all of these together to hear music

[2018-10-05T18:57:31Z] schra470: Also, a fun fact was that we are one of the only creatures that can easily move to a beat, almost unconsciously

[2018-10-05T19:10:30Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-05T19:10:32Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-05T19:10:37Z] olso6229: Markus Miessen will be at Rapson this fall

[2018-10-05T19:11:28Z] olso6229: Monday, November 26th at 5pm in Rapson 100

[2018-10-05T19:23:15Z] mahla008: Omg it's that guy

[2018-10-05T19:33:11Z] olso6229: Lets invite him to the weisman

[2018-10-05T20:18:36Z] watso595: Zines in studio for the studio crawl!!

[2018-10-05T20:28:47Z] olso6229: SENSATIONAL

[2018-10-05T20:29:07Z] olso6229: Anyone going to the WAM many visions preview party tonight after studio crawl?

[2018-10-05T23:54:57Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-06T00:27:28Z] krieg087: Hey everyone!! I think I finally have my slack up and running again?? I'm realizing my comments from last weekend never posted when I thought they were (Sam I'm pretty positive the same thing was happening to me, as what happened to your slack a couple weeks ago). So for my assignment I'm going to need some volunteers, the more there are, the more powerful the project.

Looking at the idea of imprisonment, I want to do portraits of our studio group and give people the chance to just bear raw emotion and discuss heavy topics in a public way. The theme of each portrait will be the question asked personally "What am I imprisoned by?" My portrait will be about my disability and feeling imprisoned by my own body.

If you want to be a part of this feel free to like this message, contact me via Facebook message, email me at , shoot me a text, send a telegraph, or a tiny rolled up scroll delivered by a fox, or a note on a carrier pigeon.

[2018-10-06T00:43:04Z] batzl015: Just wrote a little thing on the interview I did with my mom about her teaching practice and her thoughts on Coccia’s writing. Here it is!

[2018-10-06T00:46:44Z] olso6229: Wow good timing, heres my mom interview for the zine too haha

[2018-10-06T00:51:59Z] olso6229: i'll also post this in newsletter media [edited file, latest version is in ]

[2018-10-06T00:52:10Z] olso6229: here's a PDF too

[2018-10-06T00:52:29Z] olso6229: im heading to WAM preview party now, but i'll read it this weekend

[2018-10-06T01:27:28Z] rumbe003:

[2018-10-06T01:27:31Z] rumbe003:

[2018-10-06T01:27:35Z] rumbe003:

[2018-10-06T01:28:10Z] rumbe003: Matt had me handwrite an interview with John Cage about collaboration, and to try and incorporate sketches relevant to Cage's life/work

[2018-10-06T01:28:15Z] rumbe003: So, here it is I guess!

[2018-10-06T01:30:29Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-06T01:30:33Z] mahla008: It's Poppin at the weisman

[2018-10-06T01:30:57Z] olso6229: Im on #slack mom

[2018-10-06T01:56:27Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-06T02:12:00Z] mahla008: Are we meeting Monday or was there a plan for a time this weekend?

[2018-10-06T18:15:26Z] watso595: I could meet monday

[2018-10-06T18:25:45Z] karle029: If this helps to figure out a time when people are all available :

[2018-10-06T18:26:29Z] karle029: updated notes

[2018-10-06T18:28:26Z] mahla008: Wow that's a cool tool

[2018-10-06T18:29:08Z] olso6229: Oooo ty

[2018-10-06T18:43:52Z] olso6229: I like this way more than doodle

[2018-10-06T18:43:58Z] olso6229: Filled my availability out

[2018-10-07T19:51:20Z] schra470:

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The end of American prison visits: jails end face-to-face contact – and families suffer

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/09/skype-for-jailed-video-calls-prisons-replace-in-person-visits

[2018-10-07T19:58:08Z] schra470: This is what Matt was talking about on Thursday when he briefly brought up switching from in-person visits to video chats in prison. Not only is stripping away an inmates ability to have face to face contact unethical in my opinion, the fact that a person has to pay $13 for a 20 minute, glitching conversation is absurd. I personally believe nobody should ever profit off of crime and incarceration, but here is YET ANOTHER way in which someone is filling their pockets at the expense of others. It is sad. Also, I know this is nothing like being separated by incarceration, but being somebody who uses video chat almost daily to connect with my partner who lives in a different city, I can easily say there is so much lacking in a conversation that happens over a screen, vs in person contact. This is just sad.

[2018-10-07T22:54:36Z] rumbe003: Crazy... the prison phone industry is valued at 1.2 billion dollars a year! That's insane!

[2018-10-07T22:54:54Z] rumbe003: Monopolizing human rights

[2018-10-07T22:58:34Z] rumbe003: Are there any question that people might have about prisons and the architecture of prisons and how design might be used as a strategy in prisons? Or anything along those lines? I'm going into BWBR tomorrow for an informational interview and I know that one of the architects that I'm meeting with has a large body of work in prison design, so I plan on picking his brain a little bit

[2018-10-08T12:31:19Z] batzl015: Meet later today? Also does anyone know how to play piano/have access to a piano?

[2018-10-08T12:53:37Z] olso6229: you could open up a DAW like garageband or logic on your laptop and use a keyboard piano :musical_keyboard:

[2018-10-08T13:40:25Z] olso6229: aside from the 1st floor piano in coffman, there are pianos by the whole and upstairs around the president’s room

[2018-10-08T13:41:01Z] olso6229: There might be one in the lind hall library still

[2018-10-08T13:42:58Z] watso595: It looks like around 4 today might be a good time to meet?

[2018-10-08T13:44:54Z] olso6229: I could jam with a four

[2018-10-08T13:45:35Z] batzl015: 4 works for me!

[2018-10-08T14:56:55Z] olso6229: Just had a chat at work with our digital comms director, she pitched the idea of having me do a U of M alumni association instagram takeover for like a week. Im thinking it could be a good way to promote wecolab/weisman/danny’s project/BDA

Thoughts?

[2018-10-08T15:10:38Z] schra470: Yes!!

[2018-10-08T15:11:10Z] schra470: Also I can meet at 4 too :grin: BDA studio?

[2018-10-08T15:13:30Z] watso595: Yeah let’s meet in studio, there’ll be some classes going on but I think it could be good to discuss wecolab stuff around other BDA students since they aren’t able to see what we do as much

[2018-10-08T19:36:23Z] schra470: turned the google docs prison playlist into a spotify playlist for easier listening! Added a few of my own songs and made it collaborative, so if you have spotify, add away!

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Prison

https://open.spotify.com/user/1247497233/playlist/1v3SH9dyKt3X5ZAsuBBy4T?si=9LeF9BMGSx-bOm21bdswOQ

[2018-10-08T20:10:57Z] schra470: Artist Trent Bell created this very moving project in 2014 called "REFLECT Project" which basically consists of portraits of prisoners with letters to their past selves surrounding them....Powerful stuff that may give insight into the personal more human side of this project. Here's a link to the images:

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Reflect Portrait of Wes

https://www.trentbell.com/REFLECT-Project/prisoners/1

[2018-10-08T21:59:02Z] schra470: Lee and Oliver’s Collaborative transportation

[2018-10-08T22:01:51Z] karle029: bad news ppl

[2018-10-08T22:02:13Z] karle029: weismann is closed on mondays apparently

[2018-10-08T22:02:26Z] schra470: OMG NO

[2018-10-08T22:02:34Z] watso595: Oh no

[2018-10-08T22:03:03Z] schra470: Sasha are you still there

[2018-10-08T22:03:09Z] karle029: yes

[2018-10-08T22:15:30Z] schra470: If anyone who’s free wants to come to the wood workshop we are here!

[2018-10-09T14:23:45Z] schra470: Our prototype is being carted

[2018-10-09T18:26:24Z] olso6229: about NY book art fair

[2018-10-09T18:26:28Z] olso6229: i've mentioned moon palace books before

[2018-10-09T18:26:56Z] olso6229: moon palce is drawing from NY book art fair

[2018-10-09T18:27:46Z] olso6229: i can also see threads to the NY book art fair from this years Autoptic in downtown

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Autoptic 2018 / Aug. 19, 2018 / MPLS, MN

https://autoptic.org/

[2018-10-09T18:28:21Z] olso6229: beautiful place too, Aria

[2018-10-10T00:23:10Z] olso6229: Jakob colten and i are communicating with Jennifer at the MN Prison Writing Workshop. I can copy or summarize her email for you all, she’s been a great help to us so far. Does anyone have any questions or thoughts they want to have us translate over to her?

[2018-10-10T00:24:21Z] olso6229: The prison workshop also hosts a public reading event called Beyond Bars, which i think we all need to go to

[2018-10-10T00:24:41Z] olso6229: Jennifer was gracious and invited us all there

[2018-10-10T00:25:43Z] olso6229: It’ll be at Hamline this month

[2018-10-10T00:25:47Z] olso6229:

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Beyond Bars: A Public Reading - October 22, 2016, 7:00pm

https://www.mnprisonwriting.org/mpww-public-reading.html

[2018-10-10T00:28:09Z] olso6229: As far as book donations, we’re getting copies of the gift and how can i help? I mean, really, imagine the WARDEN holding copies of those books in their hands and deciding if they get in. That’s wild to me :face_with_cowboy_hat:

[2018-10-10T00:32:16Z] olso6229: and I also have some info to unpack and communicate to y’all

[2018-10-10T00:33:03Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-10T00:33:52Z] olso6229: We just found this earlier tonight

[2018-10-10T00:36:01Z] olso6229: In tune with ’s conversation with BWBR. Also, Sam, did the people you talk to at BWBR have a weird attitude about being a firm that has designed prisons? Were they embarrassed, was there a stigma attached to it, were they neutral or happy about it? Curious what their feeling towards it are

[2018-10-10T00:40:52Z] danks010: Super interested in exploring some of the ideas regarding a study by Laura Kurgan that mentioned above. and I are applying some of the things we learned in WeCoLab to a research project in another class.

[2018-10-10T00:41:44Z] danks010: You might need to give me a recap of the Beyond Bars Lecture if you go. I have class on Monday nights so I can't make it. Really wish I could go though.

[2018-10-10T02:56:57Z] olso6229: Anyone have time for a library visit tomorrow 2pm?

[2018-10-10T03:42:02Z] olso6229: We have room for 1 more to come with

[2018-10-10T03:42:16Z] olso6229: In coltens car anyway

[2018-10-10T03:42:42Z] olso6229: We’re going to MCAD / MIA at 2pm

[2018-10-10T03:43:57Z] olso6229: If you have time, you should meet up and check it out with us all! :bat:

[2018-10-10T17:25:40Z] olson175: could you guys bring some wecolabs and try to place them? especially using your new awareness of etiquette :slightly_smiling_face:

[2018-10-10T17:25:55Z] olson175: newsletters that is

[2018-10-10T17:27:02Z] mahla008: where can we get the newsletters? Is there more in studio?

[2018-10-10T17:27:48Z] watso595: In the arch office, in a box

[2018-10-10T17:27:59Z] watso595: Mahva can tell you if you can’t find the box

[2018-10-10T17:30:34Z] schra470: can I come to the library today!?

[2018-10-10T17:32:13Z] mahla008: Cool cool pwatts

[2018-10-10T17:51:43Z] schra470: Shelves have been moved from our original cluster...interesting observation, wonder how this will affect the view from the window

[2018-10-10T17:55:43Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-10T17:55:46Z] mahla008: I bet it was this guy who moved them

[2018-10-10T18:25:23Z] olso6229: Let’s come up with some locations to group up outside of the Weisman for tomorrow:

[2018-10-10T18:25:44Z] olso6229: The graduate hotel lobby

[2018-10-10T18:26:24Z] olso6229: Nanotech building 2nd or 3rd floor

[2018-10-10T18:26:29Z] mahla008: ?

[2018-10-10T18:27:11Z] olso6229: Didn’t we say that we would think of places to meet with Danny outside of WAM tomorrow?

[2018-10-10T18:27:17Z] olso6229: Or did that get scrapped?

[2018-10-10T18:27:57Z] schra470: Graduate hotel lobby :heart_eyes: most comfortable seating

[2018-10-10T18:28:31Z] batzl015: I think it would be cool to meet outside of WAM or Rapson

[2018-10-10T18:28:49Z] batzl015: Maybe a room in Bruninks? I’m not sure

[2018-10-10T18:29:26Z] olso6229: Bruininks feels sterile IMO, the lobby areas facing the river is nice

[2018-10-10T18:29:31Z] mahla008: I thought we were just meeting in a different room of the weismann

[2018-10-10T18:29:39Z] mahla008: Cause we couldn't decide

[2018-10-10T18:30:00Z] olso6229: I thought that was for the first half before we meet Danny

[2018-10-10T18:31:53Z] mahla008: :thinking_face:

[2018-10-10T18:33:08Z] olso6229: the merge records bit in your email is really throwin me off

[2018-10-10T18:33:25Z] olso6229: Your friends know how to pick em

[2018-10-10T18:35:00Z] olso6229: about the book rearrangement, see ’s photo/message above. Seems like someone outside of our class did it? As far as i know, we left then placed neatly on the carts, which were clustered by the window

[2018-10-10T18:37:51Z] olso6229: We will distribute some magazines to MCAD + MIA today. Light Grey Art Lab is across the street from MCAD, maybe we can drop some off there.

[2018-10-10T19:09:21Z] olso6229: you still wanna come with?

[2018-10-10T19:10:22Z] schra470: Yes! I’ve been in contact with Colten, we good

[2018-10-10T19:10:29Z] olso6229: Sweet

[2018-10-10T19:10:36Z] olso6229: Jakob and i will come down to HGA

[2018-10-10T23:04:44Z] olso6229: we’ve got some cool news to pass on from our library visit today !!

[2018-10-10T23:05:41Z] olso6229: We’ll explain tomorrow :scorpion::basketball:

[2018-10-11T01:17:45Z] feria006: Matt asked me to share this manifesto by Jason Rens an individual not so characterized by his designs as much as the individual aspects of craft and emotion that they evoke. I looked into Rens further and discovered a couple interview in which he got into many of the topics/issues we are facing now. First, he talks about materials as letters in the alphabet, how when in the right combination and order they can make words, sentences and eventually language. I think this could be something to consider as we move forward in to making something.

[2018-10-11T01:21:26Z] feria006: Second, his thoughts on collaboration. Most of his projects involving collaborating across many different professions, mediums and ideologies. I think going forward we should use his manifesto in order to keep our ideas evolving and thus making the product much more evoking.

[2018-10-11T02:03:29Z] olson175: He's a friend so, if we wanna Skype with him or something, it'd be easy. (He might even say he learned some of this stuff from me?!) :slightly_smiling_face:

[2018-10-11T07:54:53Z] olso6229: Highlights from 's interview with architects @ BWBR about prison design. Posting for Sam because his Slack has toys in the attic

[2018-10-11T07:54:56Z] olso6229: -In their eyes, prison design has become much LESS oppressive over the last 10-15 years.. more space is being provided for inmates in cells and in common areas, more focus is being put towards ventilation of the prison, circulation within the prison to best suite the prisoners, etc. I found that to be interesting because I see it as a sign of positive change and motion(hopefully).

-These designers/architects talked me through some design strategies that they use. In each prison, they strive for two things: Calmness and Security. How do these things mix and match? Security is such a tension-inducing word, calmness is the opposite. They aim to provide abundant amounst of daylight into qualifying areas of the prisons, as well as the use of acoustic materials on the walls and in corners of larger areas. Since there are so many hard surfaces in prisons, sounds bounces everywhere, especially when tensions are high and there is lots of yelling. I found this to be especially interesting, especially in light of our recent discussions regarding sound, and sound as a free and endless resource.

-Perhaps most importantly, they encouraged me to think of prison as a city. This I found to be incredibly thought provoking. Society always constructs this image of "real life" and the city life as one thing, and then prisons as an entirely different world/concept. In reality, prisons have stores, economies, transportations systems, postal services, recreational opportunities, educational facilities, etc. Many components to the cities that free citizens live in and understand! I think we could be more productive moving forward if we also thought of prisons as miniature cities, instead of thinking of them as other-worldly. We may be able to empathize more efficiently with prisoners and find more humanity in our humility.

[2018-10-11T07:57:29Z] olso6229: ++ in the morning let's all talk about meeting outside of WAM for the back half of class

[2018-10-11T18:13:28Z] feria006: Just a spark from the meeting with Danny today, he talked a lot of statistics of the people in jail (all family member, half parents, third with mental illness) an idea for redacting our readings could be using those percentages for the percent of the reading, skipping pages or words to raise awareness to the types of people that are in this system

[2018-10-11T18:19:10Z] olso6229: Damn, good observation , i totally missed that. I did pick up on Danny being into incorporating the number of balloons that a prisoner would pack for single shipping into something we make. Ideas?

[2018-10-11T18:23:06Z] olso6229: Overview from today with Danny:

- balloons :balloon: + handing out to people, incorporated with the target gallery space, something that gets handed out at the event? during the sleep conversation event, people were given pillows, pillow cases, and sewing kits to make at home, as an activity to help them fall asleep. Create a giant pikachu balloon glob at the WAM entry

[2018-10-11T18:24:00Z] olso6229: - evoke prison visitation environment. Rows/benches of seats where people face each other

[2018-10-11T18:24:40Z] olso6229: ^^ tie boris’ interview with robert irwin + habitability symposium into the way we think about this

[2018-10-11T18:25:46Z] olso6229: (Cool note, boris is generating a habitability symposium in 2020 here. Also, jennifer newsom + dream the combine will be the artists in residence at WAM next academic year)

[2018-10-11T18:27:20Z] olso6229: you should talk to jennifer about Spooky Architecture. She did a guest lecture in one of my classes on Halloween last year dressed as a witch.

[2018-10-11T18:28:47Z] olso6229: - directional lines on the floor. Tape may ruin the floor, try paint instead. Will people have a weird psychological obstacle of crossing a painted line on the floor?

[2018-10-11T18:30:59Z] olso6229: How that evokes control, restriction, authority, order, rules, manufacturing inaccessibility, obscuring. We don’t know what we don’t know

[2018-10-11T18:37:14Z] olso6229: - play handball as a performance? Activity outside of WAM to stop people on the street. Something we do during the workshop artist talk? Something filmed or photographed and gets projected into the space?

[2018-10-11T18:38:07Z] olso6229: - will WAM allow concrete or cinderblocks?

[2018-10-11T18:40:43Z] olso6229: - how can we use sound? Start recording books on tape. Redact audio - distort audio, censor with SFX, dont record certain words/topics/passages/etc. Is the redaction explicit or hidden? A false transparency? People wouldn’t know what they don’t know.

[2018-10-11T18:45:59Z] olso6229: - about materials, danny mentioned blue-gray enamel paint

[2018-10-11T18:47:12Z] olso6229: - can we see if the U of M has a banned books list?

[2018-10-11T18:47:38Z] olso6229: How does that list overlap, align, conflict, surprise us when compared to DOC lists?

[2018-10-11T18:49:16Z] olso6229: A reminder: MN Prison Writing Workshop’s Beyond Bars event is at Hamline next Saturday, October 20 at 7 PM – 9 PM

[2018-10-11T18:50:18Z] olso6229: The event is free and Jennifer from the program has warmly and graciously invited us all to attend

[2018-10-11T18:51:47Z] danks010: That Spooky Architecture lecture your talking about is really interesting, besides the point that it doesn't relate to this project

[2018-10-11T18:52:13Z] olso6229: In what ways does it not?

[2018-10-11T18:53:18Z] danks010: I suppose I would have to reflect more on it. That's a good question for me to explore.

[2018-10-11T19:01:32Z] danks010:

[2018-10-11T19:01:51Z] danks010:

[2018-10-11T19:04:00Z] danks010: Here was a few collages I had been working on to build ways to express ideas by storytelling. I realize after todays meeting that these may be irrelevant but the goal behind them was try to evoke ideas of viewing the space. However, I am keeping this on the back burner to allow other ideas to be generated.

[2018-10-11T19:11:40Z] olso6229: Thank you for sharing !!

[2018-10-11T19:12:22Z] olso6229: Markus Miessen will be in Rapson on November 26th.

He's the Principle Architect of Studio Miessen in Germany, which is self-described as a "decentrally-organized group of architects, designers, and researchers interested in the deployment of Critical Spatial Practice as a methodology. They collaboratively work and consult on projects that include spatial design, strategic frameworks, research, curatorial and discursive activities."

They also say they "work closely with artists, who we assist to realize small-to-large-scale spatial ideas and support them in realizing exhibitions and large-scale institutional shows. Our work also includes self-initiated activities and projects that span from physical construction to writing and criticism. Our practice is based on dialogue."

Sounds familiar. :slightly_smiling_face:

If Markus is here on the day before or after that Monday, we should invite him to WAM, talk with him, other ideas?

[2018-10-11T19:13:54Z] danks010: Most definitely agree.

[2018-10-11T19:13:57Z] olso6229: - here are some photos of Danny's work that I was referencing today:

[2018-10-11T19:16:52Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-11T19:48:11Z] olso6229: I've scheduled my office Instagram takeover for the week of Danny's workshop/conversation in November

[2018-10-11T19:49:46Z] olso6229: Following from our discussion on how to escape architectural material traps, here's a recent solo exhibition from MCAD faculty member Kate Casanova. This was at Public Functionary this August

[2018-10-11T19:49:47Z] olso6229:

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Body Works: Kate Casanova at Public Functionary

https://www.mplsart.com/written/2018/08/body-works-kate-casanova-at-public-functionary/

[2018-10-11T20:33:44Z] olson175: here's the guys I work with for context, you might even recognize some universal patterns and forms?

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Sober path out of prison in jeopardy

http://www.startribune.com/sober-path-out-of-prison-in-jeopardy/122632424/

[2018-10-11T23:42:09Z] karle029: could you add your notes to the google doc pls:)

[2018-10-12T01:16:31Z] karle029: ‼️ please fill out your availability !! ‼️

[2018-10-12T01:18:12Z] mahla008: ^^^^^^^^

[2018-10-12T03:16:42Z] olso6229: i would love to :heart:

[2018-10-12T03:32:44Z] olso6229: I've restructured the google notes document

[2018-10-12T03:32:47Z] olso6229: and added notes from today

[2018-10-12T03:34:34Z] olso6229: I've changed the chronology to descending dates, that way most recent meetings have higher visibility

[2018-10-12T03:36:59Z] olso6229: So a few of us visited MCAD/MIA this week. After talking to the librarians there, we found out MIA hosted an event during BANNED BOOKS WEEK at the end of September titled "Don't Read This! Don't See This! : Censorship and the Creative Truth of Words and Art"

[2018-10-12T03:41:30Z] olso6229: We passed over a few copies of the WeCoLab zine to the librarians to give to program/department heads and directors. We also exchanged contact info, and will stay in touch. I asked Danny if he's interested in connecting with MIA and will follow up on that with him

[2018-10-12T03:42:34Z] olso6229: Sam's BWBR interview summary is also on the doc

[2018-10-12T03:44:09Z] olso6229: Does anyone want to take a trip to Moon Palace Books together? If you want to experience the NY book art fair approach firsthand, that place is a great resource

[2018-10-12T05:21:54Z] olso6229: Anyone have time for a library visit next Monday or Wednesday afternoon?

[2018-10-12T07:32:00Z] olso6229:

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The Voice Behind Many Bestselling Books On Tape Is Actually That of An Infamous Serial Killer

https://www.shared.com/serial-killer-audio-books/

[2018-10-12T07:32:29Z] olso6229: Kemper murdered several people, including his paternal grandparents and mother

[2018-10-12T07:32:43Z] olso6229: He was also a necrophiliac

[2018-10-12T07:33:05Z] olso6229: Bits from the article:

[2018-10-12T07:33:07Z] olso6229: "From 1977 to 1987, Kemper had spent over 5,000 hours in the recording booth and had more than four million feet of tape and several hundred books to his credit"

[2018-10-12T07:33:11Z] olso6229: “I can’t begin to tell you what this has meant to me, to be able to do something constructive for someone else, to be appreciated by so many people, the good feeling it gives me after what I have done,” Kemper said.

[2018-10-12T07:35:07Z] olso6229: He is currently serving 8 concurrent life sentences in California

[2018-10-12T07:37:45Z] olso6229:

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Imgur

https://imgur.com/xzWBeyL

[2018-10-12T07:37:56Z] olso6229: Is there something we can do with the essence of inmate IDs?

[2018-10-12T07:38:30Z] olso6229:

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Ed Kemper Interview - 1991 (extended)

https://youtu.be/j8IfslxOmF0

[2018-10-12T07:44:27Z] olso6229: This is wild, imagine this: this video is an interview of Ed Kemper by French writer Stéphane Bourgoin.

In 1976, Bourgoin discovered his girlfriend Eileen, "killed, raped and cut into pieces" in their apartment in Los Angeles, California.

Since 1979, Bourgoin has interviewed 77 different serial killers.

[2018-10-12T14:08:55Z] mahla008: reposting cause we only got half the studio rn

[2018-10-12T14:11:13Z] olso6229: it takes like 10 seconds to fill out on your phone :)

[2018-10-12T16:25:31Z] mahla008: Are the only people still needing to do the when to meet, but so far only half of us could meet tonight. Alot of us could do saturday morning, half on sunday, and most of us monday evening

[2018-10-12T17:39:43Z] rumbe003: I am out of town at a family wedding all weekend so my only day I can meet is Monday evening

[2018-10-12T17:39:52Z] rumbe003: as I just put into the thing

[2018-10-12T18:05:10Z] olso6229: Sweet thanks for the heads up sam!

[2018-10-12T18:07:25Z] batzl015: just updated it!

[2018-10-12T19:26:41Z] olso6229: Thank you Pangolin

[2018-10-12T19:36:38Z] santo204: Sorry for the delay, I filled out the when 2 meet now

[2018-10-12T20:00:44Z] mahla008: Would we want to meet Saturday morning and then maybe Sunday night? And if we have to Monday night?

[2018-10-12T20:02:23Z] batzl015: I dig that

[2018-10-12T20:02:54Z] mahla008: And then maybe after the proposal we could maybe break into teams for certain projects for the 14th so it's easier for people to meet in those groups?

[2018-10-12T20:07:13Z] watso595: I could meet tomorrow morning! I like that plan

[2018-10-12T20:07:26Z] olso6229: Agree im into it

[2018-10-12T20:36:18Z] schra470: Spotted in the bathroom at St. Croix state park :eyes:

[2018-10-13T00:05:31Z] danks010: Nice find.

[2018-10-13T00:06:49Z] olso6229: See yall tomorrow around 9 am in rapson!

[2018-10-13T15:44:27Z] watso595: Hey , we're working on drafting a project proposal and want to know if we're thinking about two separate projects (one for nov. 14th and the other for dec 11th), or if we want to have all of our ideas done by the artist talk on nov. 14th?

[2018-10-13T15:45:29Z] mahla008: I vote Nov 14th all ideas

[2018-10-13T15:46:00Z] watso595: I wonder about what we do after nov. 14th if we have all the projects done by then

[2018-10-13T15:46:04Z] olso6229: I vote duo/concurrent projects

[2018-10-13T15:48:40Z] fasbe023: Duo/concurrent

[2018-10-13T16:10:25Z] : has a poll for you!

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Hey @everyone, we're working on drafting a project proposal and want to know if we're thinking about two separate projects (one for nov. 14th and the other for dec 11th), or if we want to have all of our ideas done by the artist talk on nov. 14th?

[2018-10-13T16:22:10Z] batzl015: I’ll be in around noon to work with y’all

[2018-10-13T16:48:32Z] schra470: Unfortunately I’m out of town today so I won’t be able to come help, but I will be available on Sunday night and Monday to help continue the project

[2018-10-13T16:52:11Z] mahla008: We will have a second meeting Sunday night, time to be decided later, we got a good start today and Parker and a few others will be forming a draft of the proposal to be edited and finalized tomorrow for matt

[2018-10-13T17:10:29Z] batzl015: Where are y’all?

[2018-10-13T17:10:37Z] batzl015: Did you finish up already?

[2018-10-13T17:11:21Z] olso6229: I left, but we set up a google doc draft for the project proposal :ok_hand::ok_hand:

[2018-10-13T17:11:36Z] batzl015: Ok, sounds good

[2018-10-13T17:11:40Z] batzl015: Sorry I couldn’t make it

[2018-10-13T17:12:21Z] olso6229: No problem, see you tomorrow?

[2018-10-13T17:16:09Z] batzl015: Yep!

[2018-10-13T18:43:54Z] olson175: great to see motion/enthusiasm! Nice job you guys. Just a reminder - maybe you're already doing this but - I encourage you to move all things forward at the same time... so discussions about dates are important but until we know more about what we're going to do, it's hard to make those decisions meaningful? I always try to keep as many variables in the air and moving with me as long as I can. The variables I can see now are: built objects (design, iterations, and prototyping may be necessary), policies the Weisman and Boris have that might affect those objects/designs, budgets and the necessity to get Gayla and Boris's approval, shop time and project planning, material considerations, de-installation and disposal/recycling at the end of the project, new ideas that will emerge as we move... so make sure you visit these things if you haven't! What am I forgetting? And let me know "how can I help" :slightly_smiling_face:

[2018-10-13T18:44:16Z] rumbe003: Sorry I couldn't make it either, thank for doing that you guys! Exciting stuff!

[2018-10-13T22:50:26Z] watso595: Hey Matt, do you have any examples of project proposals or things like that your firm has made? might be useful as reference while we start to think about all these variables and work on the first draft of ours

[2018-10-14T00:40:37Z] olson175: as part of our attitude about 'open practice' we don't participate in competitions or RFPs so formal, written proposals have been rare in my work. We pretty much only work with people who approach us and never really seek work. But I'd be happy to talk you guys through a few projects on Tuesday to explain how they've come to life. Let me know.

[2018-10-14T14:41:23Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-14T14:42:25Z] olso6229: We should donate these books at Beyond Bars!

[2018-10-14T14:54:11Z] olso6229: Also, a few of us are going to the center for book arts + library in downtown minneapolis on monday afternoon. Open invitation to join us! :books::slightly_smiling_face:

[2018-10-14T16:37:37Z] mahla008: just a reminder that we are meeting from 3-5 in the the BDA studio today

[2018-10-14T16:45:41Z] olso6229: I’ll be there!

[2018-10-14T19:52:20Z] santo204: I’ll be working in the Rapson laser lab from 3-10, so if someone wants to come fill me or work on scale models of any concepts let me know

[2018-10-14T19:53:12Z] mahla008: Np abe I'll fill you in when you come in and we will come by the lab and get ur help

[2018-10-14T20:47:00Z] fasbe023:

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Joe Rogan Experience #1171 - Nick Yarris

https://youtu.be/AIc5XYpRc1M

[2018-10-15T16:46:05Z] schra470: Where are we meeting up for today’s field trip?

[2018-10-15T16:46:35Z] olso6229: BDA studio, then we’ll walk to the greenline station together

[2018-10-15T16:46:53Z] watso595: Meeting at 1?

[2018-10-15T16:46:57Z] olso6229: Yes

[2018-10-15T21:33:59Z] batzl015: Move.

Some good advise from a zine I found at the Center for the Book Arts. Everyone should check this place out!

[2018-10-15T21:34:05Z] batzl015:

[2018-10-15T22:06:38Z] danks010: Wish I could have made it...Unfortunately I had class! Lol We have permission to skip class in favor of doing work for WeCoLab?

[2018-10-15T22:18:17Z] olson175: does move mean physical or conceptual?

[2018-10-15T23:29:53Z] batzl015: I think both

[2018-10-16T14:23:33Z] feria006:

Vice Article about prison handball. Many inmates talk about how the game play resembles life in prison.

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Handball Saved My Life: A Sport Behind Bars

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/yp7yyv/handball-saved-my-life-a-sport-behind-bars

[2018-10-16T14:46:40Z] fasbe023: A video to help understand what andy goldsworthy does

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Rivers and Tides- Andy Goldsworthy

https://youtu.be/f7sZv4_0Fxg

[2018-10-16T18:01:22Z] danks010: I have your sketchbook...you left it at the Weisman so I'll bring it to our meeting tomorrow.

[2018-10-16T19:26:10Z] mahla008: I bought batteries for the laser if you want to use it for measuring, if ur in rapson rn I can give it to ya or find a time to give it to you

[2018-10-16T19:28:37Z] fasbe023: Abe and I found this at the minneapolis central library

[2018-10-16T19:55:49Z] watso595: do you have the measurements of the space yet? does someone need to get an email to Boris?

[2018-10-16T20:32:00Z] santo204: Library visit

[2018-10-16T20:32:37Z] santo204: Happy Librarian

[2018-10-16T22:43:54Z] olso6229: The notes from today’s meeting are on the Google document. I organized everything we talked about into categories. There are plenty of ideas for each group to develop

[2018-10-16T22:47:45Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-16T22:50:23Z] batzl015: I will share a budget and material spreadsheet that I made earlier today with everyone tonight. It’s a list of possible materials, equipment, and costs that we can pull from when choosing our materials. Please take some time to take a look. I think we should have it filled out by tomorrow night at the latest. Keep the stoke high! :+1::skin-tone-2:

[2018-10-17T12:12:07Z] olso6229: the spreadsheet looks great, thanks for getting that started

[2018-10-17T20:31:42Z] santo204: & are we still meeting in the BDA studio?

[2018-10-17T20:32:38Z] karle029: weisman

[2018-10-17T20:54:51Z] schra470: Hey guys, just shared with you all an “observation log” that the guard gang is going to work on as the space changes. We will primarily add to it, but if you find yourself observing in your free time, feel free to log your findings on this doc!

[2018-10-18T03:54:06Z] batzl015: Great work filling out the materials spreadsheet y’all!

[2018-10-18T03:54:51Z] batzl015: We still need to fill the video and audio section, so if anyone has done research on that, please put it in the spreadsheet so we can discuss feasibility tomorrow!

[2018-10-18T15:07:22Z] kesse046: This is a simplistic shell of the space, feel free to request the addition of details we will need

[2018-10-18T16:27:07Z] batzl015: A used prison bench…

[2018-10-18T16:28:54Z] batzl015:

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Barker Built® Replacement Seat, Stainless | Jail and Correctional Supplies

https://www.bobbarker.com/replacement-seat-stainless.html

[2018-10-18T18:06:52Z] schra470: Here’s my really REALLY rough sketch from today if we wanna run with the idea of a slant

[2018-10-18T18:09:39Z] batzl015: I think I need more time to work over slants :thinking_face: I don’t know how that functions with the redaction of books that we were passionate about earlier

[2018-10-18T18:52:59Z] mahla008: I think there can be room for both, books on display and book redaction

[2018-10-18T19:36:41Z] batzl015: I totally agree

[2018-10-18T19:37:01Z] batzl015: We should be intentional about how those things relate though

[2018-10-18T19:37:31Z] batzl015: Maybe they’re the same, like redacted and displayed

[2018-10-18T21:55:34Z] feria006: I think the slant is super dope. #slantgang

[2018-10-19T00:25:34Z] olson175: could there be lighting under the benchs?

[2018-10-19T03:35:12Z] kesse046: Here's a quick model of a bench in Sketchup. 12 benches will cost ~$315 (including tax.) I looked on the Home Depot website and found the 2x4s (8' long) are $2.59 per piece and the 4'x8'x3/4" plywood is $20.07 per piece. It will take a total of 20 8' long 2x4's, and 12 sheets of plywood to construct all 12. The bench's dimensions are 1 1/2' x 1 1/2' x 8'

[2018-10-19T03:36:00Z] kesse046: This design is modeled off of Haley's design

[2018-10-19T03:36:08Z] kesse046:

[2018-10-19T19:08:39Z] mahla008: The gift and How Can I Help is on its way to the wardens office in stillwater

[2018-10-19T20:53:05Z] olso6229: Thank you !!

[2018-10-19T21:31:13Z] mahla008: Very cool!

[2018-10-19T23:03:33Z] olso6229: On display at All Square

[2018-10-19T23:44:16Z] olso6229: Bob Marley — I Shot the Sheriff was playing while we ate

[2018-10-19T23:50:44Z] olso6229: Quick info about All Square:

[2018-10-19T23:50:53Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-20T14:26:39Z] olso6229: Who all is coming to Beyond Bars tonight with , , and me?

[2018-10-20T14:45:27Z] batzl015: I don’t think I can come through :( My parents are in the cities tonight and I should spend time with them. I will work on getting some stuff seriously ideated for our big meeting tomorrow :+1::skin-tone-2:

[2018-10-20T14:45:55Z] batzl015: Let us know how beyond bars goes though! Report back!

[2018-10-20T18:11:41Z] krieg087: I'm coming! Is there someone driving?

[2018-10-20T23:32:04Z] olso6229: What’s the situation with the WeCoLab tumblr? Is it good to go? I feel like we haven’t heard about it for a while now

[2018-10-20T23:32:18Z] olso6229: Also do we have everything for zine #2?

[2018-10-21T01:23:17Z] olso6229: We need to do something with MPWW, moon palace, and/or free black dirt for the artist talk or beyond in WAM

[2018-10-21T02:42:09Z] olso6229: Holy shit wow, the MPWW event broke my heart and made me laugh hysterically and everything inbetween

[2018-10-21T02:42:51Z] olso6229: We connected with Jen of MPWW and Erin + Janauda of Free Black Dirt

[2018-10-21T02:43:17Z] olso6229: Would love to get them involved somehow

[2018-10-21T13:25:56Z] olso6229: Just got off the phone with Janauda

[2018-10-21T13:27:31Z] olso6229: such an awesome woman

[2018-10-21T13:32:20Z] batzl015: :+1::skin-tone-2::+1::skin-tone-2: amazing lee

[2018-10-21T13:32:58Z] batzl015: Hope to hear more and see where this relationship takes us!

[2018-10-21T13:51:13Z] olso6229: Who all is meeting today?

[2018-10-21T16:15:02Z] watso595: I will be

[2018-10-21T16:15:30Z] batzl015: Me!

[2018-10-21T16:15:40Z] batzl015: What time are we doing?

[2018-10-21T16:21:27Z] mahla008: 5:00 is when most people can meet but we can start a little bit earlier

[2018-10-21T16:28:48Z] olso6229: I will meet earlier

[2018-10-21T16:29:04Z] olso6229: Notes from thursday are up on the google doc !

[2018-10-21T16:29:30Z] batzl015: I’ll be in there at 2ish

[2018-10-21T16:47:15Z] danks010: Please keep me posted how it's going. I'll try to put in some work on my end with some sketches/iterations/elaborating on ideas. Apologize I can't make it down.

[2018-10-21T19:00:46Z] mahla008: If you in rapson there's a mini meeting in the laser lab

[2018-10-21T19:01:10Z] batzl015: Maybe 3ish, I got bad sleep last night

[2018-10-21T19:01:34Z] batzl015: Bottom line, I’ll be there before 5

[2018-10-21T19:01:49Z] watso595: All good

[2018-10-21T22:38:17Z] mahla008: We all in the woodshop if your late to the meeting

[2018-10-22T03:44:42Z] watso595: Notes from today’s meeting are in the doc!

[2018-10-22T03:52:50Z] olso6229: Thank you

[2018-10-23T01:37:31Z] olso6229: We should reach out to Emily Hunt Turner

[2018-10-23T01:37:41Z] olso6229: She's the founder of the All Square institute + restaurant

[2018-10-23T01:37:50Z] olso6229: Weird energy in relation to all of us, she's trained as an architect

[2018-10-23T01:39:22Z] olso6229: But mainly practices in public policy as a civil rights attorney

[2018-10-23T02:01:51Z] olso6229:

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Prison Life in Scandinavia - Discover Scandinavia

https://www.dailyscandinavian.com/prison-life-in-scandinavia/

[2018-10-23T02:02:17Z] olso6229: >_Based on figures, it’s safe to assume Norway’s criminal justice system is doing something right. Few citizens there go to prison, and those who do usually go only once. So how does Scandinavia accomplish this feat? The countries rely on a concept called “restorative justice,” which aims to repair the harm caused by crime rather than punish people._

[2018-10-23T02:11:53Z] olso6229:

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Why Scandinavian Prisons Are Superior

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/why-scandinavian-prisons-are-superior/279949/

[2018-10-23T02:12:24Z] olso6229: >_Cellblocks look like dorms at a state university. Though worse for wear, rooms feature flat-screen TVs, sound systems, and mini-refrigerators for the prisoners who can afford to rent them for prison-labor wages of 4.10 to 7.3 Euros per hour ($5.30 to $9.50). With electronic monitoring, prisoners are allowed to spend time with their families in Helsinki. Men here enjoy a screened barbecue pit, a gym, and a dining hall where prisoners and staff eat together. Prisoners throughout Scandinavia wear their own clothes._

[2018-10-23T02:20:57Z] olso6229: >_Each prisoner has a “contact officer” who monitors and helps advance progress toward return to the world outside—a practice introduced to help officers avoid the damage experienced by performing purely punitive functions: stress, hypertension, alcoholism, suicide, and other job-related hazards that today plague American corrections officers, who have an average life expectancy of 59._

[2018-10-23T02:23:28Z] olso6229: >_Throughout Scandinavia, criminal justice policy rarely enters political debate. Decisions about best practices are left to professionals in the field, who are often published criminologists and consult closely with academics._

[2018-10-23T02:36:02Z] renst011: Heyo everyone, newsletter #2 is in progress so if you haven't sent your individual assignments or documentations to me yet from the last 3-4(ish) weeks of class that you'd want to include, please do soon! Especially from gallery arrangements, responses to thoughts brought up in class, etc. Not everything will be able to make it into print but I want to make sure I have everyone's stuff. This won't include the physical conceptualization/buliding yet (besides Jocie's chair and maybe Evan's cart) but mostly the progress of thought and movement in prep for the spacial outcomes that are happening now. Feel free to shoot me any questions as well! Thank you!!

[2018-10-23T02:38:48Z] renst011: Also terrible at email response but if you have already, thank you thank you :—)

[2018-10-23T03:49:16Z] feria006: I agree

[2018-10-23T03:49:37Z] feria006: She has done a ton of work in our immediate community and would be interesting to talk to

[2018-10-23T17:34:11Z] mahla008: Is there a tape team ?

[2018-10-23T17:47:22Z] olso6229: Anyone who wants to join tomorrow afternoon, we’re going to Moon Palace Books around 2:30

[2018-10-23T17:53:56Z] olso6229: And maybe grab some food down the street at All Square? :sandwich::fries:

[2018-10-23T17:54:04Z] mahla008: Ooooooo

[2018-10-23T17:54:21Z] olso6229: Theyre both on Minnehaha ave

[2018-10-23T18:07:57Z] douga018: yes, its me Cole and Abe.

[2018-10-23T18:08:26Z] mahla008: Would it be cool if I join you guys?

[2018-10-23T18:56:59Z] douga018: yeah of course! We were planning on working on some research and doing sketches of possible tape layouts and then meeting to discuss later.

[2018-10-23T19:10:27Z] mahla008: sounds good I'll work on that as well!

[2018-10-23T19:35:15Z] danks010: Added the notes to the WeCoLab document. Let me know if I forgot anything, otherwise go ahead and add it directly. I covered everything from matt and boris suggestions/conversations to what Danne spoke about and our interest and concepts.

[2018-10-23T20:39:50Z] olso6229: Full circle, just realized Danny redacted his own book

[2018-10-23T20:40:24Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-23T20:41:17Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-23T20:49:19Z] mahla008: speaking of that i'm watching an interesting video on an art installation right now called the redaction project

[2018-10-23T20:49:21Z] mahla008:

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Anne de Marcken, The Redaction Project

https://vimeo.com/159719562

[2018-10-23T20:50:25Z] mahla008: It's really interesting how she talks about the many ways shes redacted this one book, but not only that but in way she thinks about the words and how they relate and what they mean next to each other

[2018-10-23T20:50:42Z] mahla008: its an interesting watch for those interested in redaction

[2018-10-23T20:57:45Z] mahla008: "Everything was still there, I just couldn't see it all. At some point the redaction itself became a compositional tool, I began to treat it almost like an element of grammar or an element of language, so the blacked out words themselves had as much significance as the words you could see. It was no longer just about concealing the things, its about revealing other things that had been obscured by syntax and narrative, by the conventions of language"

[2018-10-23T21:08:16Z] batzl015: Cooool

[2018-10-23T21:08:23Z] batzl015: I like that v much

[2018-10-23T21:34:08Z] danks010: Here's a brief description of libraries in prisons in Europe that me, Lee, and Cole found while doing research for a project regarding prison infrastructure.

[2018-10-23T21:41:52Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-23T23:11:54Z] kesse046:

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Why Beautiful Things Make us Happy – Beauty Explained

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O5kNPlUV7w

[2018-10-23T23:12:27Z] kesse046: something to keep in mind when designing, these ideas can be applied to prisons, as well as our instillation

[2018-10-23T23:13:59Z] olson175: Now I am Happy. Is that beauty?

[2018-10-23T23:39:54Z] karle029: @home depot

[2018-10-23T23:44:15Z] schra470: Not bad on price!!

[2018-10-24T01:00:48Z] mahla008: And they got lil stands

[2018-10-24T01:13:47Z] schra470: AND they are LED so no problems with heat!

[2018-10-24T02:44:12Z] olso6229: Excited for people to see Moon Palace Books tomorrow :)

Experience the NY book art fair / neo-Scholastic books aesthetic first hand

[2018-10-24T02:44:38Z] danks010: :ok_hand:

[2018-10-24T02:44:59Z] danks010: More excited to stop at All Square...

[2018-10-24T02:45:42Z] schra470: I am taking a second car to Moon palace tomorrow, so more people can come! I have room for 4 people if you haven’t secured a ride yet!

[2018-10-24T03:01:53Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-24T03:02:00Z] olso6229: For tape group: photos from conversations on sleep. they had the lamp cords taped to the floor

[2018-10-24T03:14:31Z] mahla008: Ooo neat

[2018-10-24T03:23:51Z] mahla008:

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__a_ i_ I _old you a __ory in a language I _an _ear?

http://www.lizasylvestre.com/__a_-i_-i-_old-you-a-__ory-in-a-language-i-_an-_ear/

[2018-10-24T03:25:45Z] mahla008: I think this is the Artist Boris was talking about today, Liza Sylvestre. In context of audio and redacting. Currently listening to some of her redacted audio work

[2018-10-24T03:27:02Z] mahla008: Definitely give the video a watch, very interesting

[2018-10-24T03:28:56Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-24T03:29:19Z] mahla008: On her website there is even a photo of her at the Weisman

[2018-10-24T03:29:24Z] olso6229: WOW

[2018-10-24T03:29:39Z] kesse046: Target Gallery Episode II: Attack of the Outlets

[2018-10-24T03:29:54Z] olso6229: GOOD CATCH JAKOB !!

[2018-10-24T03:30:12Z] mahla008: Oh she was part of the sensory loss workshop that happened like 3 weeks ago

[2018-10-24T03:30:27Z] mahla008: theres dannys books in the background

[2018-10-24T03:31:02Z] olso6229: Still no one else here saw the photo as far as we know right now

[2018-10-24T03:35:07Z] mahla008: It's really interesting to hear the original story she tells in this video and next to the redacted version, there the same story just in different languages. One as we hear it and one redacted. Kinda similar to the redaction project i posted eariler how what isnt there is just important as what isn't.

[2018-10-24T03:36:50Z] olso6229: funny you sent the stuff about sensory loss / hearing because i was trying to find this just a few minutes before your messages

[2018-10-24T03:36:56Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-24T03:37:52Z] mahla008: wow

[2018-10-24T03:37:58Z] mahla008: thats cool

[2018-10-24T03:38:16Z] mahla008: I wonder if that applies in other ways of sensory loss

[2018-10-24T03:39:22Z] mahla008: Does someone who is deaf view the face in the same way as this paragraph says the way blindness makes you view a face through sound

[2018-10-24T03:40:59Z] olso6229: I wonder

[2018-10-24T03:41:59Z] olso6229: In my tutor/TA days I used to regularly help a guy who was legally blind, we had a machine he used to read assignments which basically just made things 10000x contrast and some zooming

[2018-10-24T03:42:26Z] mahla008: woah what does that look like

[2018-10-24T03:42:35Z] olso6229: If I remember right he had a portable kind of version of that, or it was setup in the classroom, so he could see high contrast silhouettes of the professor and stuff written on the board

[2018-10-24T03:44:08Z] olso6229: Around the same time I knew someone else who was legally deaf and I've seen on social media over the years he's made a lot of posts about his appreciation of film, he probably notices more microexpressions and good acting because of the loss of one sense

[2018-10-24T03:45:07Z] mahla008: wow

[2018-10-24T03:46:08Z] danks010: Thats super cool! Thanks for sharing! It's amazing to realize the ability our senses have, especially when one is lost...glad you followed up on Boris's suggestion Jakob. And thanks for sharing your insight Lee.

[2018-10-24T03:46:44Z] mahla008: Ive never really thought about books in terms of someone who is visually impaired or audio books to someone who is hearing imparied

[2018-10-24T03:47:17Z] olso6229: tactile

[2018-10-24T03:47:29Z] olso6229: what happens when we pay attention to the feel of the books in our hands

[2018-10-24T03:47:41Z] olso6229: does that change how think about presenting them

[2018-10-24T03:47:47Z] mahla008: thats interesting

[2018-10-24T03:48:02Z] mahla008: I don't know but its an interesting question

[2018-10-24T03:49:36Z] mahla008: Does anyone know if they make braille books?

[2018-10-24T03:50:03Z] mahla008: Well I know they do but from what I can see from like a quick amazon search not really that many

[2018-10-24T03:50:15Z] mahla008: Are braille books banned in prison?

[2018-10-24T03:53:55Z] olso6229: what if we made a braille zine

[2018-10-24T03:54:03Z] olso6229: braille manifesto

[2018-10-24T03:54:07Z] mahla008: that sounds hard but cool

[2018-10-24T03:55:49Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-24T03:56:14Z] mahla008: Confirmation the gift and how can I help are at stillwater

[2018-10-24T03:58:39Z] mahla008: I wonder what will happen to them next?

[2018-10-24T04:09:06Z] schra470: That’s so awesome! Gosh I’d love to see who’s hands those books could end up in if they were allowed into the prison library

[2018-10-24T04:14:02Z] mahla008: I hope we get to find out, they are supposed to send me a letter so maybe I will find out soonish

[2018-10-24T04:18:48Z] schra470: Great! Keep us posted :grin: thanks again you guys for doing this, what a cool way to get involved

[2018-10-24T12:25:24Z] batzl015: Super cool stuff Jakob, pretty wild to know Ram Dass is in the hands of the warden.

[2018-10-24T12:50:54Z] olson175: re your question about the deaf and sight, it's def the case that they "hear" some through "seeing" and lip reading requires a sorta expanded sense of reading the different layers of visual information!

[2018-10-24T16:24:11Z] santo204: Is anyone driving to Moon Palace books that I could possibly get a ride with?

[2018-10-24T16:31:12Z] olso6229: Talk to Haley, Sasha, and Kailee

[2018-10-24T16:33:06Z] schra470: what time works for you guys to head out? I can pick you up from wherever!

[2018-10-24T16:33:25Z] olso6229: For all the people going, Moon Palace has a generously sized parking lot FYI

[2018-10-24T16:33:39Z] olso6229: that group is the 4pm squad

[2018-10-24T16:34:08Z] olso6229: Including

[2018-10-24T16:34:21Z] olso6229: And

[2018-10-24T16:37:52Z] schra470: Sweet okay :+1::skin-tone-3: thank you!

[2018-10-24T17:21:40Z] santo204: I’m off work at 3 & can go be ready on campus

[2018-10-24T17:25:39Z] schra470: :+1::skin-tone-3: sounds like I’m picking up a crew from rapson at 4? If anyone wants in for sure, let me know by then!

[2018-10-24T18:10:05Z] santo204: Thank you! I’ll for sure be at Rapson by 4

[2018-10-24T20:10:43Z] watso595: could I get in on that?

[2018-10-24T20:12:06Z] schra470: Yes for sure!

[2018-10-24T20:15:29Z] watso595: Where are we meeting?

[2018-10-24T20:16:11Z] santo204: Let’s just meet in the studio

[2018-10-24T20:16:57Z] schra470: I’m actually at home right now so I’ll just pick you guys up in that new little turn-around thing between the Northrop parking garage and Rapson at 4! I drive a blue Hyundai Elantra

[2018-10-24T20:57:40Z] schra470: Waiting outside rapson!

[2018-10-24T21:11:21Z] mahla008: Got some good books at moon palace u guys might get here before we leave

[2018-10-24T21:16:38Z] olso6229: :crescent_moon::ocean:

[2018-10-24T22:09:57Z] karle029:

[2018-10-24T22:10:26Z] mahla008: Woah

[2018-10-24T22:12:48Z] mahla008: Go check out the Guantanamo diary second floor bargin shelf

[2018-10-24T22:14:45Z] schra470: Love it forward...with balloons

[2018-10-25T04:12:57Z] danks010:

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Handball Saved My Life: A Sport Behind Bars

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/yp7yyv/handball-saved-my-life-a-sport-behind-bars

[2018-10-25T04:13:20Z] danks010: Insane article about the power of handball in prison.

[2018-10-25T04:41:26Z] danks010: Possibly an overlap area for the tape group and the handball group? Thoughts?

[2018-10-25T16:39:13Z] fasbe023: ok everyone. disregard that first link, here is the link to the AndyG exercise

[2018-10-25T16:39:16Z] fasbe023:

[2018-10-25T17:34:12Z] feria006: Here’s an idea for a plan for a Handball Exposition. Covering each wall and the respective floor space with overlapping handball courts. I think maybe a video or using audio or noise music of different handball sounds coming out of the space.

[2018-10-25T19:48:43Z] olso6229: Oooooo i love the overlapping courts

[2018-10-25T19:49:57Z] olso6229: We’re chasing down light rentals. Sunbelt Rentals is a prime choice for us right now

[2018-10-25T20:34:50Z] olso6229: Filled it :slightly_smiling_face: thanks

[2018-10-25T20:35:19Z] olso6229: Quick update on lights for everyone:

[2018-10-25T20:36:41Z] olso6229: Sunbelt Rentals has 6 balloon lights ready to go, no minimum quantity for rental, fine to use indoor at the museum, no foreseeable problems with the outlets and power draw/breakers. Sunbelt’s warehouse/supply is off of 35E and Hennepin, about 5-10 min north of the U campus.

Colten is going to Menards and Home Depot this weekend to check out the light rental situation.

Parker is still waiting for campus facilities to get back to him.

We're also looking into Powermoon LED balloon lights.

Other ideas? Anything we missed? :slightly_smiling_face:

[2018-10-25T20:37:24Z] olso6229: Powermoon lights can be set up / torn down in less than 5 minutes

[2018-10-25T20:39:06Z] olso6229: They also match Danny's comment about blue-grey enamel paint in prisons.

[2018-10-25T21:34:33Z] douga018: Here's the Handball Tape Layout that we ended on in class today.

[2018-10-26T02:52:31Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-26T02:52:40Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-26T02:52:46Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-26T02:52:52Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-26T02:53:09Z] mahla008: Redaction Groups - Black out poetry

[2018-10-26T02:53:33Z] mahla008: If you are interested and want to do some black out poetry attached is the word document

[2018-10-26T02:53:46Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-26T05:20:59Z] danks010: Really Powerful Poetry! Fascinated with each iteration from each person. Nice Work Redaction Group!

[2018-10-26T05:21:05Z] danks010: :+1::+1:

[2018-10-26T16:03:26Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-27T00:03:12Z] olso6229: Open invitation for a library visit next week to American Craft Council

[2018-10-27T00:04:04Z] mahla008: Memememe

[2018-10-27T00:10:36Z] olso6229: I have a photo of myself with some friends with this ROLU project from 2012. Also the executive director at american craft council used to be the Curator of Public Practice and Director of Education at the Walker Art Center. do you have any memories / stories about Sarah, either from this project, Fritz Haeg’s residency, or otherwise?

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Visiting Lecture: Sarah Schultz, Walker Art Center, Wide Open Public - The Contemporary Austin

https://www.thecontemporaryaustin.org/event/visiting-lecture-sarah-schultz-wide-open-public/

[2018-10-27T00:51:29Z] olso6229:

[2018-10-27T02:39:03Z] mahla008:

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The Vault

https://vault.fbi.gov/

[2018-10-27T02:39:14Z] mahla008:

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National Security Archive

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/

[2018-10-27T02:40:07Z] mahla008: For anyone interested in redacted documents, two websites with a database of governmental redacted documents ranging from alot of things. Mostly due to the freedom of information act

[2018-10-27T02:49:43Z] mahla008: Heres one example, they are just really neat to look at

[2018-10-27T02:55:39Z] mahla008: Last one -

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Projections — Jenny Holzer

http://projects.jennyholzer.com/projections

[2018-10-27T02:56:03Z] mahla008: Jenny Holzer does cool stuff with sign painting and redaction, with projects and scrolling text

[2018-10-27T02:57:46Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-27T02:58:19Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-27T03:00:04Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-27T03:00:38Z] olso6229: the quotes on the stone benches at the walker garden are her work, also check out her “truisms”

[2018-10-27T03:00:50Z] mahla008:

[2018-10-27T03:01:20Z] mahla008: I love her projection work, i never knew she did redaction stuff

[2018-10-27T03:02:21Z] mahla008: Oh yeah, i was litteraly just looking at the "truisms"

[2018-10-27T03:17:48Z] mahla008: At the UMN reuse center 30$

[2018-10-27T03:19:42Z] olso6229: We want something wayyyyy taller, like 9’

[2018-10-27T03:20:03Z] mahla008: phhf

[2018-10-27T03:20:15Z] mahla008: get an extender

[2018-10-27T03:21:02Z] mahla008: Like that babys gotta be at least 8'

[2018-10-27T03:34:15Z] mahla008: I'm still gonna go tomorrow at like noon and see what they got, anyone is welcome to join

[2018-10-27T09:39:06Z] olson175: I remember everything!

[2018-10-27T11:25:38Z] olson175: just sent an email. make sure you read as soon as you can. THX!

[2018-10-27T13:46:23Z] olso6229: WHEW, it’s GO time :stopwatch::woman_climbing:

[2018-10-27T13:48:01Z] olson175: "Plant Seeds with Care"

If we act constructively, happiness will ensue; if we act destructively, problems will result…We create the causes by our actions, and we experience their results.

—Ven. Thubten Chodron, from “What Is Karma?”

[2018-10-27T15:01:32Z] olso6229: Alright, what’s the weekend scoop? Where’s everyone at? :nerd_face:

What all is on our plate? Benches, shelves, lights, tape, balloons, performance, redaction, outreach, proposal document? Did I miss anything?

do we have ideas for tape color/material? what type of tape won't leave an adhesive residue? What effect will a matte or glossy tape have when it interacts with the lights? Can we borrow or rent from anyone, or is it easier to buy? Maybe the theatre dept. at Rarig will be kind to us? Either way, they probably have some interesting and unexpected advice for us. :slightly_smiling_face:

+ + Is there a way to incorporate redaction into the larger conversation of what we're doing? Does it become part of the Target Gallery space? A performance outside of or within in WAM? If you're interested in opening it up as a larger conversation, I can connect you with Jen of MPWW and/or Junauda of Free Black Dirt?

Can our redaction poetry become part of a zine issue or Tumblr?

+ + Anything new on the balloon front? Is there the potential to combine the redaction group's work and balloons? LOVE balloons? A balloon performance?

Can handball and balloons tie together? Any ideas with the tape group for a handball event in WAM? How do we get the word out on this? :slightly_smiling_face:

is going to Re-use today to possibly pick up test lights

is checking out Menards + Home Depot for light rentals

and I are checking with light rental companies.

is it better to hold off on the Goldsworthy performance until after the 14th?

and , can you coordinate with Kevin / Justin / whomever about time in the shops? I see on the calendar there are BDA (box problem+dimensional color), PDES, GDES, and furniture classes that will flood the shop soon. It looks like afternoons are a bad time for us?

+ + can we get some mockup bench/shelf masses made to test in WAM alongside lights? Something simple made from scrap material? I think it’ll be great to use those to inform lighting and tape placement. :slightly_smiling_face:

And for everyone, can we follow the mantra Danny learned from his sculpture professor and passed on to us, “How much can I take away from this before it becomes something else? Peel it away to the most powerful elements.” Danny asks if we can keep it open, graceful, and thoughtful? Place-making and experiential qualities are our tools.

How can we peel the layers of everything we're doing to their most authentic, powerful, and essential parts? Simplicity comes after complexity.

[2018-10-27T15:03:53Z] olson175: Holy shite! (Irish accent) Lee. Psyched. This is a team. Thanks!

[2018-10-27T15:07:22Z] olson175: I'm sorta obsessing about this image/idea? It feels punk... and maybe a little post-Habitability? So I love the aesthetics. It would be really easy to make a version of something based on this. It would be incredibly cheap. And thanks Lee for invoking what Danny said about reduction... because this is simple. Thoughts?

[2018-10-27T15:10:28Z] olson175: Benches made from 14" tall sliced Sonotubes... ready-mix bags... Simpson strong ties for piers to elevate off the footing... or maybe we could custom make some more formal ones like in this pic? Then some sort of matching bookshelves or book presentation objects on casters? (Didn't someone mention A-frames at some point? maybe?

[2018-10-27T15:10:59Z] batzl015: Moving with the complex->simple mantra seems to be the way

[2018-10-27T15:11:14Z] olson175: Maybe some redacted text prints on tubes?

[2018-10-27T15:11:24Z] batzl015: I think we’re getting there with what we were doing on Thursday but I think it still needs something else

[2018-10-27T15:12:26Z] olso6229: I totally get and love sonotube seating from a time/material/construction POV. Stay fluid, right? I feel it’s honest to Danny and the essence of his work/subject matter, and will evoke the feelings we’re going after. As a bonus: the clarity/strength of this + smaller budget + less shop time is a WIN+WIN+WIN between Boris, WAM, Gayla, the Rapson shops, and (of course) us

[2018-10-27T15:12:37Z] olson175: This wouldn't require the shop as much either

[2018-10-27T15:13:35Z] olso6229: What're you feeling, chief?

[2018-10-27T15:15:23Z] batzl015: I need to work it a little more. Would you be down to get together today to throw down? Maybe get a large group formed to go hard on design?

[2018-10-27T15:16:11Z] batzl015: I like a triple win option

[2018-10-27T15:16:45Z] batzl015: When can we all get together today or tomorrow? Does a when to meet work?

[2018-10-27T15:17:53Z] olso6229: Let's go chief

[2018-10-27T15:18:09Z] olso6229: Can you set up the W2M link?

[2018-10-27T15:20:12Z] olso6229: I can meet both today and tomorrow

[2018-10-27T15:23:33Z] schra470: I am very free!

[2018-10-27T15:25:40Z] boris: Hello people. Just noting it here that I do not monitor what happens on slack. If you need a response from me please send an email (or text if it's urgent)

[2018-10-27T15:26:09Z] olso6229: Thank you for the heads up, Boris :slightly_smiling_face:

[2018-10-27T15:28:05Z] batzl015: Do y’all want to meet at some point around noon?

[2018-10-27T15:28:34Z] olso6229: Yes

[2018-10-27T15:28:37Z] batzl015: Idk what we would do but there’s a lot to do, so we’ll figure it out

[2018-10-27T15:28:47Z] olso6229: Totally :+1:

[2018-10-27T15:29:06Z] batzl015: I’ll prob bring lunch/a snack if people wanna bring food for a throwdown

[2018-10-27T15:29:12Z] batzl015: Meet in studio?

[2018-10-27T15:30:04Z] olso6229: BDA it is chief

[2018-10-27T15:30:43Z] schra470: Yeah I’m in!

[2018-10-27T15:31:18Z] watso595: I’ll be in the laser lab so if you guys could fill me in or wanna meet down there that’d be cool

[2018-10-27T15:31:27Z] olso6229: can you make a meeting post with location+time back into the general chat? :slightly_smiling_face:

[2018-10-27T15:32:03Z] batzl015: Sure! Would an email be helpful too?

[2018-10-27T15:32:15Z] olso6229: What number can we contact you at?

[2018-10-27T15:32:23Z] schra470: Definitely

[2018-10-27T15:35:07Z] batzl015: Hey, who can should come to the BDA studio at noon today to throw down on all parts of our project.

Urgency is high, but so is energy!

We will likely have to meet tomorrow as well, so keep posted if today is full for you.

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