#also i have a suspicion that it was savathun that buried nezarec. since moths appeared when his body was stabbed in the cutscene

[thefirstknife]

It just hit me now, but was it ever specified that the Witness can bring Disciples back to life? Is the reason why it hasn't brought Rhulk back yet because it doesn't have access to the Pyramid in the Throneworld for the Guardians' presence? Does it need the body to be accessible? If Eramis brought to it even just a relic could it bring Nezarec back as well?

I honestly have no clue

Most likely not, primarily because it goes against the Sword Logic, aka the Darkness philosophy.

Rhulk died by being subdued by those stronger than him which proves our strength in the Sword Logic and his weakness. He was defeated by those stronger, therefore he no longer deserves to exist. This, on top of Rhulk failing the Witness before, removes Rhulk from the "right to exist" entirely.

The Witness is not particularly attached to those that serve it; they are all tools in the race towards the Final Shape. Those that fail along the way do not deserve existence or to be near the Final Shape; and Rhulk failed.

With Nezarec, it's a bit hard to say because there are a lot of unknowns. For example, we don't know what exactly happened with Nezarec, how he died, why his Pyramid crashed, who buried him and what do the "Sin" and "Traitor" on his items mean.

It's also unclear if his ability to persist after death (pieces of his body whisper and still have residual energy of him) was something that he gained as a Disciple OR if that was just an ability that he had personally (perhaps whatever alien species he is just does that? Remember, Ahamkara and Worms also persist after death so it's not unheard of).

We also have no idea why the Witness wanted pieces of him back. If the current speculation is correct and Nezarec betrayed the Witness back in the Collapse by working with Savathun (knowingly or unknowingly), then I genuinely do not know why the Witness would want pieces of his body back. Maybe to use the residual energy inside of them to influence more people into following the Darkness or maybe to learn more about the betrayal during the Collapse. If that's the case, it wouldn't need Nezarec revived in any way.

But if we're wrong about these details and Nezarec never betrayed the Witness and he was, in fact, just defeated in the Collapse (possibly by Savathun), then maybe the Witness would want its disciple back now that it knows it was deceived during the Collapse.

However, as I said at the start, reviving someone would be against the Darkness philosophy. So it depends on whether the Witness would think that Nezarec was perhaps killed in a way that works outside of the Sword Logic (by deception and lies, not through pure strength); in that case, bringing him back would possibly be okay.

There's a curious interaction between the Witness and Rhulk back on Lubrae, in Shattered Suns, when Rhulk fell into the Abyss and was finally directly approached by the Witness. Rhulk recounts that he was "broken" and then "unbroken" as well as saying that the Witness granted him life:

(I rise. Broken and then unbroken. What is this thing that grants life?)

The Witness' "luster" was involved to mend both Rhulk and his glaive. It's incredibly vague with how Rhulk talks; what does being "broken" mean? Physically broken? Mentally broken? Rhulk does say that he was "granted life" but also consider that he was thrown into the Abyss and then met a paracausal entity so he may not have been in the right mind to fully understand what happened to him. We only have his perception of something that happened when he was in a highly compromised state. In short: unreliable narrator.

So despite this hint that the Witness has a power that Rhulk calls "luster," we don't really know what it does exactly. Rhulk suggests that it can both mend and destroy. If he's correct, then the Witness does indeed have the power to mend/heal/revive. If that's true, then the Witness could feasibly be able to revive its disciples. However, whether it wants to do that or not is up to each individual case.

Reviving Rhulk? Almost certainly not. He lost fair and square in accordance with the Sword Logic. Nezarec? Unclear since we have no idea what happened to him and what was his final relation with the Witness (if there was a betrayal). It's also unclear if the Witness would be interested in that at all. We'll have to learn more about it before being able to judge.

Important to note is that we know from the Lightfall trailer that the Witness most likely in some way restored Calus. Again, unclear, but the last we fought Calus, he was this presumably disembodied entity merging with the Leviathan and attempting to merge with the Pyramid. In Lightfall, he clearly has a body. From his own words:

You wonder if I am a spirit, if I have become something beyond Cabal, if I have ascended like Acrius did when he cradled the sun in his grasp. Allow me to soothe your curiosity: yes, I have become all you have imagined, and so much more.

But also note that this is brought to us by his loyal scribe and is literally called "propaganda." These characters lie and obscure things a lot so ultimately we have to wait for things to happen before we know the truth. Overall, the Witness probably has means to restore someone, but it would never do that for someone who lost the "right to exist."

#destiny 2 #rhulk #witness #nezarec #calus #lore vibing #ask #i need to know what happened in the collapse and i need to know it right now #also i have a suspicion that it was savathun that buried nezarec. since moths appeared when his body was stabbed in the cutscene #if that's the case then nezarec probably did betray the witness #but again. speculation. we have no idea what went down