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moongothic · 6 months

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You know. If Crocodad Real. How would Luffy even react if he found out. Like really, how the fuck would he feel about it.

'Cause like how I went over in this post (briefly at the end), we don't even know how Luffy feels about Crocodile as he is right now, so can you imagine how that bombshell would impact things

Like my running theory is that Luffy still hates Crocodile but maybe not quite as much as pre-Impel Down since he kiiinda owes him etc

And Luffy does not seem to give a shit about blood connections, at least not that much. Like don't get me wrong, Luffy's family are the people who were there for him when he was a child, those are the people he cares about and his bio-parents don't really matter. But also, honestly, I think the reason Luffy doesn't give a shit about who his parents are is because he doesn't know them. Luffy cares about people who he knows and likes, and while he doesn't give a shit about Dragon right now, it's arguably because he simply just doesn't know him. If the two actually get to meet and know each other, like if Luffy takes a liking Dragon, he'll probably accept Dragon as his dad and as his family. But on his own terms. It's up to Luffy to decide

And that's why like. How would Luffy react to finding out he has another dad and that one is fucking Crocodile. Because he already hates the man. It would not be happy news for him I'm sure

The other thing is that normally Luffy does not give a flying fuck about people's sad backstories. He didn't care to hear what happened to Nami and her village for example, because what really mattered was that there was a person he cared about who was deeply hurt and in danger and he wanted to help said person. And that's where I'm so torn. Because on one hand, it would be perfectly on-brand for Luffy to not give a shit of Crocodile had a sob story to tell. But also, I could imagine Luffy being so fucking confused over the news that he'd want to hear the truth of like, who what where how why, in detail. So that, you know, he could make his own decision and figure out if he wants to considder Crocodile is other dad or disown him.

Like, both feel like things Luffy would do

So really, would the real deciding factor might be just... the circumstances where Luffy finds out???

God knows, I can not imagine Crocodile himself telling Luffy anything ever. The kid already hates him, he knows it, so he'd probably think it'd be for the best if Luffy never found out

So how else could Luffy find out then?

As far as we know, the only other person who could confirm it would be Dragon himself, and considdering how he probably feels about his ex (see: Alabasta Coup Attempt), I can't imagine him wanting to talk about Crocodile to Luffy in lenght or in a positive light. Like I can't imagine Dragon wanting to tell Luffy at all is the point, not unless he wanted to like apologize to Luffy because it is arguably his fault Luffy and Crocodile fought in Alabasta to near-death to begin with. (Sidenote since we don't know how the break-up happened to begin with, it's totally possible Crocodile could've asked Dragon to never let their kid find out what happened to his "mom")

And now, this is where I'm gonna go completely off the rails, but. As I was wondering if there was any other way Luffy could find out...

S-Croc is made with Crocodile's DNA.

(And actually before I even go into S-Croc, super quick sidenote: If Kuma can extract memories out of people and allow other people to literally see them... Like I can't tell if Kuma's memories got absorbed by Bonney when she looked into them or if Kuma's Memory Bubble is still on Egghead, but if viewing the memories isn't the same as having them inserted into a vessel permanently... Like if Kuma isn't turbo-dead, could there be a scenario where we have Kuma (or S-Bear) yeet out Croc's memories and have Luffy just look into them? Because god knows Crocodile might just refuse to speak about it and that could be the only way to get The Whole Truth if Dragon doesn't want to talk about it either?) (Of course, Crocodile would understand just How Persistent Luffy is so if Luffy just kept on annoying him about it, Crocodile could maybe give up eventually because he knows he can't get Luffy to piss off until he spills the beans)

So currently the Strawhat's plan is for them to go and escort the Vegapunks to Elbaf (if nothing goes funny after the flashback is over, which remains to be seen)

2. There is the mystery of what sex S-Croc is going to be, because there is a possibility that if Crocodile is trans then his Seraphim could be pre-T (though this entirely depends on whether or not Ivankov's HRT changes even the DNA of person. Since it's MAGIC HRT I would prefer it to, not gonna lie, and I would not appreciate any "you may look different but your DNA will tell the truth!" rhetoric in the story but I may be asking too much from Oda)

3. And there's also the mystery of what Devil Fruit ability S-Croc might have, since all the Seraphim have been given Fruit powers, and we know Vegapunk can't replicate Crocodile's Sand Logia.

All things considdered, I think the actual, most likely known ability S-Croc might end up with would be like, Mr 3's wax powers (hilariously), mainly because I could imagine it being flexible enough to work in Crocodile's fighting style, so it'd be the easiest for S-Croc to adapt to (like if you can make anything from wax, then why not sharp blades to fling at people) (Also we know Vegapunk would have access to this power since Mr 3 was in Impel Down, when they also got Daz' powers)

But also I had joked before how it'd be funny if S-Croc was a Crocodile Zoan for no reason. Like it'd be fitting since Crocodile was already the Only Logia of the OG Shichibukai, so making his Seraphim the Only Zoan would be funny as hell (if it's even possible, which we can't say if it will/won't be). Additionally, making him a Crocodile Zoan would be hysterically on-the-nose.

(Sidenote: If there was a crocodile Zoan Fruit, what sub-category do you think it'd fall into? Like would it be Ryu Ryu like all the dinosaur-themed Zoans are, or maybe even a different model of Uo Uo (same as Kaidou)? Since "wani" could be considdered a different type of serpent-dragon, and if Vegapunk was researching how to recreate Kaidou's fruit, it's plausible he might've accidentally recreated some other related-fruit in the process or afterwards?? (Also since Kaidou's Uo Uo is a specific model (Seiryu) it would make sense if there was another Uo Uo model Fruit, and this could be an excelent opportunity to use it))

The thing about Zoans though is that, as it's been brought up once or twice before, Zoan fruits can kind of have a "mind of their own" and influence the user in unexpected ways.

And as all we Crocodad Truthers know.

Crocodiles are protective of their babies.

ALSO: The Seraphim do have enough personal will-power that they may (slightly) disobey orders they've been given. Case-and-point, S-Snake undoing the Petrification on the Strawhats after Luffy asked her to, since S-Snake is fond of Luffy just like Hancock is

Sidenote, it was kind of made a point how Vegapunk considdered his artificial replica of Kaidou's dragon fruit a compete failure simply because instead of a blue dragon, the user would turn into a pink one instead. So if Vegapunk tried to make a Seraphim of Crocodile, knowing full-well he couldn't even give the Seraphim the same ability as the OG, and then the Seraphim turns out the wrong sex for no reason?? I could see him being confused as hell and considder S-Croc "a failed Seraphim"

So really, all we'd really need to happen would be for the Strawhats to somehow encounter the remaining three Seraphim while escorting the Vegapunks to Elbaf. Mind you, IDK how that could even happen since as far as we know they've been deployed the Emptee Bluffs

And then just have S-Croc either disobey orders to hunt Luffy or even even have him be protective of Luffy (following that Zoan Instinct, one even he can't explain, it's just Instinct). Have Sanji be like "hey why the fuck is this one a girl, isn't it supposed to be Crocodile", followed by Vegapunk explaining this Seraphim was a failure for reasons even he can't understand

Then have Jinbei remember the conversation Crocodile and Ivankov had at Impel Down (suspicious considdering Ivankov's abilities and this "failed Seraphim"), and maybe if Crocodile had any involvement with the Revolutionaries and Robin was suspicious of him she could even bring that up

Along with any other minor details that may be bothering the crew about the whole deal

And so if the Strawhats and Vegapunk just put all their braincells together and rubbed them real hard, they could maybe come to a hypothesis as to why S-Croc is a "failure" and protective of Luffy, and maybe even a potential explanation as to why The Real Crocodile was protective of Luffy in Marineford for no fucking reason

And maybe, just maybe, Vegapunk could confirm that suspicion with a DNA test. All he needs to do is check Luffy's and compare it to Crocodile's.

Not sure Luffy would want to do the DNA test, like knowing Luffy he might prefer to just ask Crocodile in person if they ever ran to each other again

But boy, if he somehow did agree to a DNA test, and there was a match... oh boy

But again. This entire scenario is BEYOND off-the-rails. Technically plausible! But honestly if Luffy is ever gonna find out (assuming Crocodad Real) then it's gonna be from Dragon

I just wanted to get the theoretical scenario out of my system okay, I had to get the brainworms out of my brain

#Moon posting #OP Meta #OP Spoilers #Crocodad #Sir Crocodile #Long post #You know I wasn't going to yeet this out of my drafts for a while but since I brought up S-Croc in the last post I figured why not #Since I went off speculating about S-Croc here in detail #Let's just get it out of my system #I'm so facinated by S-Croc I want to see that little shit in action so bad #My other assumption for what ability S-Croc could have would maybe be Magellan's Venom Fruit #Since that one is shockingly a Paramecia! AND Vegapunk would have access to it! He could replicate it!#And Crocodile did have his poison hook so like. Sure #I'm still putting my money on Doru Doru though #ALSO to circle back to the original subject (how would Luffy react if he found out)#It's entirely plausible that he might never find out even if Crocodad was real #Like there's that whole thing about Oda telling Mayumi Tanaka that Luffy's mother wasn't important to the story YEARS ago #And like. It's possible it was a white lie. It's possible Oda could've changed his mind. OP was meant to end at Alabasta at one point #It's possible that if Luffy doesn't have a mom but two dads then Oda's statement would still be true #But it's also possible Crocodile could be Luffy's other dad and it could never play into the story in a meaningful way #Like we the readers could find out just to understand the beef between Crocodile and Dragon etc #And Luffy never finds out #Nightmare scenario. I will cry.#But frankly might be just the most likely one

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antirepurp · 11 months

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im gonna love putting him into frontiers and discovering 170 vertices with shit-tier weight painting that float above his head

#purp art #yeah i think the model is done enough for that #sonic #sonic the hedgehog #there are some oddities with the finger beans but they're barely noticeable #also the op scars function in ways i do not understand but i really can't give a shit about that #i was gonna do fancier textures for him but like have you ever tried to unwrap UVs? that shit sucks #him being all flat colors is a stylistic decision and not a result of me wanting to conserve my brain cells #anyway the only thing i might want to add is being able to move the eye UVs in blender #rn he's got two eye meshes one for when i import him to frontiers and another for in-blender use #and for the in-blender ones i'll have to implement ways to move them if i wanna adjust them at any point #it's very optional especially bc i made this specifically for frontiers importing but it could be cool. maybe. we'll see lol

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lord-squiggletits · 8 months

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I actually disagree with the idea that IDW1 villainized the Decepticons and I'm genuinely not sure where people got this from. Especially when they claim "the Autobots get to be treated as heroes always" when if you read a shred of exRID you know that they are literally not.

There are so many Cons that are treated as people and humanized, especially if you recognize that even some of the pure evil/antagonistic Decepticons still got written as having trauma, being wronged by other characters, having emotions, etc etc.

Decepticons that get to be protagonists/heroes/good guys: Soundwave, Thundercracker, MEGATRON, Barricade, Grimlock and Drift (ex-Decepticons if you count them), Soundwave's cassettes...

Decepticons that are antagonists/villains but still get treated like people, have sad moments, or sometimes do good things with the bad: STARSCREAM, the Scavengers, Tarn, Deathsaurus, Nickel, Shockwave, Ravage...

And I know for sure that I'm probably missing at least half a dozen others. And I didn't even get into the categories of neutrals who are evil, Autobots who are evil, or the entire Senate and Functionist Council who are enemies of the Decepticons but very clearly depicted as evil.

TLDR:

"Autobots don't get criticized--" Not true, read exRID

"Decepticons are always villainized and don't get to be heroic--" Not true, read exRID and also reread MTMTE

#squiggposting #hot take but it feels true #like i think that maybe more decepticons could've been major characters but. there were a lot that were important at some point #and also just bc some decepticons were VILLAINS or ANTAGONISTS doesnt mean they were like #villainized by the narrative as if they were treated at 10000% reprehensible #i didn't sit through all of exrid/OP shitting on OP to have ppl say the autobots never got criticized lol

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chamerionwrites · 1 year

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One of the most annoying things about modern social media is that (1) most of it is actively hostile to (or at the very least not well-designed for) long-form text communication and yet (2) a lot of users seem not to have internalized this.

So you'll get these unnecessarily aggressive responses from people who assume that a single casually worded paragraph is the be-all and end-all of OP's thoughts on a subject. And so then on the next post you'll make sure to add a disclaimer about nuances x y and z which you're not covering here, and people will still get mad and tell you you're being dismissive because you didn't devote more time to those nuances. So on the next post you'll write three paragraphs, and people will STILL get mad because they only skimmed far enough to get outraged, and when you point this out as politely as possible they'll be like "do you actually expect anyone to read all that. fuck you."

#i mean nuance is important and i'm the first to say so but it's a weird double bind you feel me #i'm not saying poorly worded or painfully simplistic posts don't exist #but there is also a point where you can choose to believe op is an idiot #OR choose to believe the three sentences on your dash don't represent every thought they've ever had on a given subject #and if you're consistently choosing to believe that everyone except you is an idiot maybe you are in fact the asshole #i think we've all been there at least once but it's a v uncharitable way of communicating #social media #my posts

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pusangkambing · 1 year

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Law is so funny for no reason, his name is literally law and his literal job is to break the law

#i laugh at him several times a day for just no reason idk he is just so funny to me #he is so important to me and i love him but also for some reason he is my court jester and i just point and laugh at him for no reason #trafalgar d water law #trafalgar law #op #one piece #paimon!speaks!

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baejax-the-great · 1 year

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Love the audacity of someone commenting on a two year old post to tell OP they are wrong as if nobody else has thought to do so in the past two years

#telling people they are wrong on the internet is one of human's most basic instincts #it can't be trained out of them no matter how hard we try #which is to say you are not the first #and also your correction was wrong yeah I'm telling you that you are wrong about telling me i'm wrong but that's okay #anyway I can't say I'm against telling OP they are wrong point blank because some things are dangerous or just false or incredibly misleadi #if the subject is important #when it comes to fandom shit though you can rest assured that if the post has more than 50 notes and can be argued #someone has told OP they are wrong in condescending tones

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spheredotorb · 2 years

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ok but have i ever mentioned how i love it when traditionally "cute" things are associated with power and strength

#idk it might be the my transmasc autism but #to me its so fufcking important #like kirby (esp star allies) is all about friendship and love #which itself is so so powerful #they literally defeat gods with the power of friendship #but also with galacta and morpho #galacta knight is hot pink but is not in any way cute #literally the strongest warrior in the universe #and i never?? thought that was weird or funny in any way??? like its so fucking cool #(also not jabbing prev reblog post)#(i do find the post funny but i just cannot see galacta in the same way op probably was when making the post)#(another autism moment)#and i love how hal just went 'ok gender roles dont matter' whether intentionally or unintentionally #im probably talking in circles at this point but its just so important to me especially as a transmasc #morpho is an ever so slightly different case tho bc of the symbolism behind the butterfly in japanese culture #but still matters nonetheless #and also Important To Me for different reasons #(i fucking love when media uses imagery from ancient japanese folklore/culture espeically when it comes to things surrounding death)#(like butterflies or the sanzu river or spider lilies/higanbana)#end autism adhd word garbage #sphere.txt #<- almost forgot that

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thiswaycomessomethingwicked · 1 year

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Hi friend. Just a quick fyi- on your Disney shirts post, I'm pretty sure the "beauty and the bump" one is related to pregnancy, and the partner that got them pregnant, which isn't related to the very important point you were making about boomer-ism in disney apparel. Would have just left you a reply, but tumblr is always 50/50 on reply options. Ciao!

Hey! Yeah I know it’s about pregnancy. I’m not that daft.

A few pics above it I wrote:

I believe this should indicate that the following few shirts weren’t directly tied to the original point but I still wanted to include them as I thought them cringey. But perhaps I should have made it clearer as people seem to have missed that.

#reply #sigh #also I wasn’t trying to make a very important point #I was just saying that I like looking at cringey couples shirts and wanted to see what OP was talking about #so found examples of it #then also found examples of other non financial cringey shirts #like the wife is a villain one #the I Need Alcohol To Enjoy My Time Here one #and the pregnancy one #my apologies for being snappish but this is a bit condescending and I’m annoyed by it

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bookwyrminspiration · 2 years

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Do you think Sophie will need to have her abilities reset again? They do it whenever her abilities aren’t working correctly, and she can’t mimic even though polyglots are supposed to be able to do that naturally (I think) so it makes sense that they’d reset her abilities again (unless Sophie refuses. Which she might do because it’s so much pain and she almost died last time and what would they even need mimicking for??)

My current assumption is leaning towards no. There's only so many times that you can have the same thing happen in a story before it really starts to drag and take away from everything else, and I think two times was the cap for ability resets.

A second one was possible because it was made distinct/more severe than the first one (targeting her heart on top of her head), so there'd need to be something added on top of those two to make it worth adding in a third reset. Even with that, I think we, as the audience, would have a sort of "really? again?" attitude towards it regardless of whatever that additional thing turned out to be. Unless it became a consistent thing in the story where she was routinely reset (which I don't think it will), two or three would be the cap, and I think in our particular story two is enough.

Additionally, I don't think polyglots necessarily are supposed to be perfect at mimicry. I think it's generally something associated with the ability and they're usually better at it, but the ability focuses on foreign languages instead. The surprise with Sophie was more that she was so horrendously bad at it, but it wasn't like a "polyglots should naturally be able to do this!" hence Lady Cadence accepting that that was something she'd have to work on Sophie with. She didn't seem to be too weirded out by bad mimicry, just disappointed she'd been pulled from her research.

There's also the matter of, like you said, Sophie potentially refusing! She refused to learn to mimic after Keefe mimicked her voice to steal the cache, so unless it becomes super important to the story and she has to come to terms with it, then I don't think she'd find it worth it to go through a whole ability reset just to be able to do something she doesn't even use or like.

One final add on I'd say is that personally, I'd prefer it if she stayed bad at it! Or at the very least not a natural. If it turned out she'd need another reset because she's supposed to naturally be great at mimicry as part of her altered genes and abilities, I think that would also get to be a little old. Like c'mon. She's already a super-powered telepath and inflictor with natural above-average skill in those areas on top of her other powers. I don't think she needs to also be great at mimicking. Characters having weaknesses and inabilities makes them more relatable and I'd be remorse to lose the mimicking, as small as it is.

So I don't think we'll have another reset! We've been there and done that twice. Any more, especially for something so small, would be annoying to read. Here's hoping for her sake that nothing else comes up that could excuse another reset and make her risk her life again!

#kotlc #keeper of the lost cities #quil's queries #nonsie #it's like at a certain point you can't top yourself. and shannon's already pulled out some of the big stops #she targeted sophies head and heart. those are the two places she's established as important. where would she go next?#'sophie we r gonna reset your thyroid and liver now'#perhaps going for like a full body every ability reset #but the thing is. when she resets her abilities they get more powerful and more op #and we don't need that again #it's about equal to gaining another ability #which is a whole other thing but also. has been done a lot #so with how open the story's been so far about the potential for her to have another I don't think they'd want to go for it in a reset form #because truly they are running low on the number of times she can manifest #if that makes sense #long post

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moongothic · 3 months

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Hey so also have Sir Crocodile brainrot and have recently reread Impel Down. This is probably nothing at all but it made me question the artistic choice made. Like we dont see Crocodiles full face until Luffy recognizes him. Before that tho he joins in on Jinbei & Ace's convo about Whitebeard and is shown to (non-)react to Boa Hancocks visit. But we only get his face in shadows or see the hook. Which. Why. Oda we know what he looks like and who the guy with the stitches on his face and the hook is. WHY OBSCURE HIM.

My friend, this is what we call a "cocktease"

Okay jokes aside, yes it was an artistic choise. More specifically, a storytelling technique Oda masterfully used to build up hype and excitement to Crocodile's eventual reveal and re-introduction into the story.

So thanks to Ms Goldenweek's cover story (which ran back during Water 7/Enies Lobby) we already knew Crocodile along with Daz, Bon-chan and Galdino had all been sent to Impel Down, when we also learned about Impel Down, Marineford and the Gates of Justice (+ the giant whirlpool between the three locations) to some extent. ((Now of course, if you were an anime-only then you would've had no idea about the former BW members being in Impel Down. And even if you had read the manga you still would've had to actually pay attention to the cover story and its lore, and not forgotten all about it))

So even before Luffy decides he's going to head to Impel Down to save Ace, we know Crocodile's going to be somewhere down there. The second Luffy arrives there, we are immidiately reminded of the fact when Domino mentions Crocodile taking the traditional "bath" new inmates take at the entrance. And as we descend deeper and deeper into Impel Down, with those cuts to what's happening down at Level 6 every now and then, as well as with the Baroque Works Countdown, Oda time and time again keeps on reminding of us of Crocodile's looming presence in the background. This is all absolutely deliberate. Crocodile was arguably the most iconic (maybe not most popular but iconic) One Piece villian at the time, if given an opportunity of course the readers wanted to see him again. But just letting us see him right away would be anti-climactic, and distracting from what's actually important (Ace, and Luffy getting to him as fast as possible). So keeping him hidden could serve multiple purposes:

For one, Crocodile doesn't get to steal the spotlight from the other characters (at least not too early). We can focus on Luffy, Ace, all the new Impel Down characters and the other returning characters in peace, while Crocodile waits for his turn. Another thing is that Crocodile's presence being downplayed gives off the impression that perhaps him being there isn't that important to the story. Thus, him teaming up with Luffy to break out isn't such an obvious twist (and so when that happens, it's ever more hype as a result)

But indeed, the most important part is that by teasing us constantly through out Impel Down, Oda creates hype. He makes us the readers excited if/when we might get to see the bastard, even if it was just a quick little cameo. So when Luffy finally reaches Level 6 and we finally do get that reveal, everyone loses their fucking marbles over the HISASHIBURI DANA MUGIWARA when we finally get to see The Motherfucker Himself. (And indeed, then getting to see him fight alongside Luffy is cool as fucking hell, completely unexpected and absolutely delightful)

But there's also another thing building up to Crocodile's reveal does. Compare his original introduction to the re-introduction

Compare Crocodile at the height of his power and influence, to the absolute rock bottom he has hit. No longer happily laughing while looking down on people (literally), he's filthy, he has given up on life, with sunken eyes and a hollow look on his face, only moved by a thirst for petty revenge (/an opportunity to go out with a bang). He doesn't even get the whole page for his grand reveal anymore, he's been shuffled to the side so the plot can progress on the same page.

Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

And to some degree, this is kind of meant to be a shocking realization to the readers. That this is not the same Crocodile we remember from Alabasta, that Crocodile died when Luffy defeated him. This is just the husk that remains, a shadow of what was once there. It's a sad sight, and probably not what the readers who loved Crocodile The Villian wanted to see. It's not the epic Return of the (Evil) King they wanted. And that juxtaposition helps, because Crocodile doesn't return into the story as a villian, but as a frenemy/ally-on-thin-ice. And that idea is easier to signal to the readers in a lowkey manner when you do his re-introduction like this.

So yes, Oda refusing to show Crocodile's face until Luffy found him was 100% a deliberate artistic choise. This is fantastic storytelling

#Moon posting #OP Meta #Sir Crocodile #Also yes part of the reason Crocodile's re-introduction doesn't take up the whole page is just how Oda has changed as an artist #And how his paneling/page layout had evolved over the years #ALSO ALSO back in Alabasta Crocodile's Grand Reveal taking up as much space as it did made sense 'cause he was The Final Boss of The Level #Where as in Summit War he's just one of the MANY players in the up-coming chaos. He wasn't as important #AND it was a re-introduction of an old character. Compare to like Iva-chan who got a much more Grand Reveal as a brand new character #But my key points still stand #(Yes that line was anime-only but to be fair HISASHIBURI DANA MUGIWARA is an iconic line so let me have this)#(I was laughing quite hard when a while back on Twitter there was a meme of people sharing anime quotes that live in their heads rent free)#(And a considderable amount of people responded with THAT QUOTE SPECIFICALLY)#((Personally the OP quotes that live in my head rent free are all pretty much Luffy quotes))#((''I will surpass you'' and Luffy SCREAMING ''OF COURSE'' at Usopp when getting the energy to beat Lucci are just. Yeah))#((I love Mayumi Tanaka so much its unreal))

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duckuwu · 2 years

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ALSO. people surprised by jj being a badass when she comes back from working at the "pentagon" but never once questioned her precision one-shot head-shot accuracy when it came to being attacked by three dogs in a pitch black barn, AND shooting through thicc af glass to take out pg's would-be-assassin.

just because YOU saw her as baby / a damsel, doesn't make it true. never underestimate a woman in pastels.

#just expect my random CM thoughts to pop up randomly at this point babes #criminal duck minds #also i will shout this to whomever wherever but: JJ was damn near equal in power to H*tch w/n the bureau despite her being half his age #jj op af #h*tch had the connections and the position. BUT jj's job was to advise him of pertinent cases AND keep the bau in line w/ bureau relations #one of the things i dig about the found family of the show is how the show explicitly shows us #that any member of the team could be making more money and be higher up the ladder if they were anywhere else #but this job is so important to them that they don't even question it #and in jj's case she actively does everything she could to NOT leave #she was smacking reporters down (verbally) in the first season #i just don't understand how people. that's it... i just don't understand how people #lol duck late to a dead fandom (soon to be zombie fandom) and STILL not getting along with the popular fanons

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lord-squiggletits · 2 years

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Zeta's influence on the course of OP's life is so, so fucking important, but then the actual screen time he gets is of him being Obvious Bad Guy and the only way characters ever talk about him is "Zeta acted like he was progressive but he was really just the same as the rest" so the effect is that the narrative TELLS US that Zeta was Orion's mentor and made him who he is, but doesn't actually show us why that would be the case or HOW he made Orion the way he is. In fact it basically says that everyone knew Zeta sucked leaving us wondering what the hell Orion even saw in him to follow him for so long.

It really sucks considering that IDW already had a well written mentor/student relationship that also only had a few pages dedicated to it: Megatron and Terminus. All the flashbacks with Megatron and Terminus makes it very clear the person he was before Terminus (believed in collective action and didn't believe he should hold power as The One Leader), it shows what Terminus taught Megatron (that people need strong leaders in order to stay on course, and if Megatron truly wants revolution he needs to seize control), it shows us that Terminus had a vital hand in Megatron's life (by disseminating his writings via the corpses of miners). Then, the rest of the story of Megatron's life makes it clear that his change from the shy pacifist miner to the tyrannical and controlling warlord was partially informed by the ideas Terminus gave him. It shows us a CHANGE in Megatron's mindset that happened AS A DIRECT RESULT OF TERMINUS in a way that shows Megatron didn't see himself as the One Leader of the Revolution until Terminus suggested it to him!

(Using Megatron is sheerly for the sake of a convenient example of a similar character, not me saying that they were intentionally connected or that Megatron's characterization came at the price of Optimus'.)

Meanwhile, all we know about Orion and Zeta was that Zeta helped Orion while he was on the run from the Senate, Zeta somehow became Prime (we literally don't know how), and made Orion his security enforcer. And then we go from Orion saying "I'll always follow you" as Zeta acts normal in one flashback to Zeta basically saying "fascist propaganda is good actually, btw I might entrust you with the Primacy one day" while Orion looks away from him in obvious doubt.

Where is the Zeta Orion was supposed to look up to? Was Zeta being honest when he said the Primacy could be his one day, or was he just trying to manipulate Orion? But how would the latter make sense when Orion has never coveted the Primacy in his life and was clearly more content with being a follower than a leader? What did Zeta do to make Orion trust him so much??? Why are we told that Zeta "made [OP] who he is" when the only change OP seemed to undergo due to Zeta was going from happy to doubtful to serve? How did this change Orion's behavior at all? He was already a good leader, he was already a good fighter. What the fuck did Zeta do to make him who he is? What mentorship did he give him??? Why did the story never fucking tell us any of this??? Why did they decide to write Zeta as the most obviously evil bastard ever and think it would make sense for the virtuous Orion to follow him??? Why was one of the principal characters of the entire franchise given a "mentor" who "made him who he is" yet said character's relationship with OP is almost entirely based on OP doubting him most of the time? WHY IS THE STORY TELLING ME THESE THINGS INSTEAD OF SHOWING THEM???

#squiggposting #that's it????#it actually makes me mad lmao #it seems like 90% of the scenes zeta and OP were together Zeta basically had red flags waving all over him #and the other 10% of times were one scene where he basically just said 'hi i'm zeta'#plus a scene where he's just giving orion a mission #and at that point orion is already shown as super devoted #why. fucking why. tell me #except then all the story gives me is barber going #'well zeta was openly telling orion about how propaganda and lying to the people is good and OP didnt like it'#wow maybe if the story had actually explained what he did to earn orion's trust #it wouldnt have been one of the dumbest scenes ive read in idw #like. no matter what OP's other flaws were he very much had morals and a conscience #you have to give me a fucking reason why he trusted this guy SO MUCH that he was willing to #turn a blind eye or at least stay silent to his doubts #oh and also in the metzen books zeta spends most of the time calling OP a failure or a tool #so even the one story that had zeta as a main antagonist didnt explain it #i'm so frustrated lol you CANNOT tell me that zeta was one of the most important people in OP's life #and then give almost no explanation for how #you cant call him OP's mentor who made him who he is #and then show that OP barely believed half of what he said #and that zeta as a person had almost no convincing leadership qualities to make people in general teust him

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