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inevitably-johnlocked · 10 months
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Hi dear librarian! 1/? I was wondering if there's a term to describe a phenomenon that plagues so many films nowadays and partially responsible for the downfall of BBC Sherlock and MCU: it appears that the creators/screenwriters are afraid of or uncomfortable dealing with strong negative emotions. It's very obvious in Sherlock S3,S4, and MCU after Infinity War. They immediately interrupt an emotional scene with a quip, joke, or a solution. It really disturbs the plot flow, emotional buildup,
2/? and the tension of the show. E.g., in Sherlock S3E1 the reunion scene and the underground scene, in S4 the ghost Mary non-stop quips before the emotional hug. In S2, they really shouldn't have revealed Irene or Sherlock survived immediately after the event. I don't know what the writers were afraid of. Without a proper buildup, the resolution doesn't feel satisfactory. I'm very happy that in GOTG 3 they avoided this problem and it's probably the only MCU film worth seeing recently. 3/3 Another example is the Thor series. I know Thor 1 has many plot flaws, but they got the aesthetics right and with a Prometheus type of self-sacrifice, it feels like a proper fusion of technology and mythology. But later they wrote Thor as a laughing stock for his depression and in his own 3rd and 4th film, every remotely serious emotional scene was undermined by something. Just why?! That's part of the reason people say MCU doesn't feel relatable anymore. Thx for reading and stay cool!
Hey Nonny *HUGS*
Thank you for this insightful ask, and my answer is essentially this: shareholders and studio meddling, and probably bad writing by people who think they know better. A lot of the MCU, for instance, is SO boring and repetitive right now because they're too afraid, it seems, to stray from "what is safe", stuff that won't have people bitching at them, or they're trying too hard to recapture what made the Infinity Saga so amazing. They spent TOO long being praised and in turn stopped trying so hard, and under Chapek, dude was a greedy bastard who worked Feige to stress. I'm glad that they pulled back, it seems, and I hope it stays that way, hopefully so they can make new movies up to the quality of GOTG 3 again. Studios like Dreamworks and Indie studios are taking risks, and it's paying off, because people are bored with the sanitization of Disney and Marvel. Everything has to have no true villain in Disney.
That's not to say I don't still enjoy Disney, I do, but Marvel as-of-late has put out more flops than fantastics. And I suspect some of it is studio and shareholder meddling. It's a miracle Gunn got to do what he wanted for GOTG3, and I'm glad he did. With Thor 3 I feel like Taika got raked over the coals because he had to follow whatever plan they wanted for his vision. I dunno. Marvel for me is so hit-and-miss these days.
As for Sherlock... I think part of it was BBC meddling and another was ego-tripping, because Mofftiss continually put out winner after winner of seasons, so they thought, because just the TWO of them got an Emmy for TAB, well, they're good enough to get it for a WHOLE SEASON! (which, for the record on my opinion, I think Mofftiss are better at ONE SHOT episodes, not an entire series on their own... they run out of ideas and then throw whatever their weird fanboy fantasies want, and without a third writer to reign them in, we get S4). So yeah, that's what I mean by bad writing as well. I BELIEVE Moffat or his wife owns Pinewood Studios that they film in, so like... it's literal studio meddling, LOL. But yeah sometimes a writer or director can also be too big in their britches, and whatever they say, goes.
So yeah, I dunno. It's honestly a mix of everything and fatigue with the unoriginality of content these days. I think that's why I don't really watch anything anymore unless a trailer REALLY grips me, or it's recommended to me by a Lovely. I stick mostly to old-faves because I know I won't be disappointed, or fandom-related content.
What do y'all think?
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Ambiguous/Open Ending Masterlist
A Kiss Before Bed (ao3) - orphan_account
Summary: When the Earth is set to be dust and ash, there's no point in things being left unsaid.
Or, an asteroid may just be the catalyst for something that's been brewing for a long time.
Bored (ao3) - Lizzyboo
Summary: it's 2012 and Phil is getting tired of the way Dan has been treating him lately.
But They Say We're Made of Stardust (ao3) - cactuslester
Summary: 3000 years into the future, Dan and Phil meet as kids still in primary school. They follow a journey of becoming best friends to eventually falling in love and trying to navigate through the ups and downs life throws at them: secrets, bad teachers, intergalactic war, the usual.
Dan Howell is so Undeniably Screwed (ao3) - Paganarchist
Summary: to Dan, Phil was always "that scary guy who doesn't talk," and nothing more or less. Phil becomes Dan's worst nightmare the day he finds out Phil just got a job hosting at his family's restaurant. Dan's convinced he's not gonna survive the day without bruises, but he's been wrong before.
don't be afraid, just believe (ao3) - TsingaDark
Summary: There was a rumour on campus that someone had died in the East Wing and had been haunting it ever since. Dan, for his part, thought it was utter crap. Even if someone had died there - which he highly doubted - they would not be haunting that place because ghosts didn't even exist.
ivy (ao3) - waveydnp
Summary: dan sees someone he used to know
Love Will Remember (ao3) - orphan_account
Summary: “Let’s test ourselves - just once. If we really are each other’s 100% perfect lovers, then sometime, somewhere, we will meet again without fail. And when that happens, and we know that we are the 100% perfect ones, we’ll marry then and there. What do you think?” - Haruki Murakami.
(Or, in which Dan and Phil are soulmates but sometimes the stars just don’t align the way you think they should).
oh no (not now) (ao3) - kishere
Summary: It's the year 2013 and Phil, an omega, has an okay enough life. He's recently moved to London to pursue an opportunity to work for BBC Radio 1, he has a new flat, and his YouTube channel has been on an upswing. Sure, his heats are so inconsistent he finally had to ask his fiancé of five years, Dan, to help him through them so he could try and live a normal life. Which wouldn't be such an issue if Dan wasn't in love with Phil's hotter, tattooed twin, Dillon...
Sometimes we just need a little love and affection to show us the world isn't all bad (ao3) - winstonlives
Summary: The boys encounter a hate fueled man and Dan has a hard time coping. Phil helps him the best way he can.
the rain (ao3) - dizzy, waveydnp
Summary: dan and phil meet at a festival. then the rain comes.
The type that sticks around (ao3) - jestbee
Summary: Dan will take what he can get
Treat Me Gently (ao3) - Leswell
Summary: An university student who's mastering as a pianist, Dan Howell, is out of the money to pay his next semester's tuition and there is Phil Lester, a CEO of famous company, who offers Dan 'special job'.
unequivocally yours (ao3) lyricallyharley
Summary: dan has many fears, his biggest one being the supernatural. how can he be scared of something he doesn’t believe in? and where do fears actually come from?
We Make Our Own (ao3) - queerofcups
Summary: Dan’s Name stretches from the outer edge of his shoulder, across his clavicle and stops just above his heart.
It’s not Phil’s name. Never has been. Never will be.
while our blood's still young (ao3) - celestialfics (orphan_account)
Summary: In the midst of 1950s America, Phil works at a malt shop that Dan frequents after school. Inevitably as their relationship progresses, the two boys face unrelenting adversity in a world that does not yet see all love as equal.
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wromwood · 2 years
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To be honest I actually expected them to trick Hetty’s husband back into the vault. The guy getting sucked down really came out of left field for me. It did answer my question of whether or not everyone gets to ascend regardless if they were good in life or not. I guess it comes down to the ability to change and Hetty’s husband clearly had no intention to considering he had centuries to think about what he’s done. Sam’s mom had some humble pie and was able to ascend to heaven after making peace with her daughter. To bad we don’t get to see a wedding episode. Then again the couple didn’t really seem like the type to really root for unlike with that sweet lesbian couple from the BBC version. At least with that pocket watch Sam and Jay got to buy more time if you pardon the pun.
Yeah, that was what I thought would happen too. The fact that we've found a physical material that keeps ghosts out is such a BOMBSHELL, but not much is done (yet) to utilize or explain it. Hopefully, this will get played with later on.
However, I don't think Elias getting sent to hell truly came out of left field. I think the only reason it came as a surprise was because both the BBC and CBS versions only showed people ascending to the afterlife. The BBC version is a little more vague on this, but CBS even uses the word "ascend." Personally, I think anyone getting sent up to the afterlife implies that they're going to heaven. Which means, logically, that there must be a hell to which to descend.
I actually appreciate that Hetty's husband had to make a firm decision that he wasn't going to change before he was sent to hell, and that it wasn't "decided" whether he was good or not beforehand. After all, if ghostly purgatory is necessary for good people who are otherwise flawed, then it makes sense that it would be necessary for bad people who may yet have a chance of redemption. You need to make people PROVE they deserve eternal reward or punishment.
This does, of course, come with its own set of problems. Despite the direction of ascension, there could still be plausible deniability as to what kind of afterlife people go to when they get "sucked off." True, simply by being ghosts and having an undead existence at all, they can't accommodate every culture's version of what happens after death, but there was at least a mystery as to what lies beyond ascension. Honestly, they could have just dissipated and become one with all things. Now that we know it functions on a heaven/hell principle, this implies that a Catholic/Christian interpretation of death is the right one for every living person. (Or any other interpretations of death that function on this principle. I'm assuming it's Catholic/Christian because A) the shoe fits and B) it's one of the most common and accepted religions in media) I'm honestly surprised we didn't hear more feedback on this from the characters who might not believe in the heaven/hell duality.
Honestly, the MOMENT Liz came on screen, I wanted the wedding to be scrapped. I'm glad they left. Woodstone's first big event should be as sweet as the BBC's wedding, and they definitely deserve more time (hah) to look.
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