#dr janet lubelle

[juneofbones]

I feel as though all the recent arcs have involved something deeply personal and traumatic for Cecil, and the way there are still loose threads in each of them makes me wonder if this is all going to culminate into something bigger.

Janet Lubelle hurting Cecil’s friends, and exposing what his husband had been hiding from him. Kevin, promising to return, bringing with him more people and baggage. Cecil’s family, his issues with Abby, with his mother, with his father, with his memory. Owls.

Everything has to do with Cecil’s relationships with other people. And that can be the scariest mystery to face. The hardest antagonist to face.

#so scared for what’s to come. #plus storyline from the attic #wtnv 245 #welcome to night vale #wtnv #cecil palmer #kevin wtnv #dr janet lubelle #carlos the scientist #carlos robles #esteban palmer #abby palmer

[asydicsydney]

This was what she did for work? Girl, stay under that cow.

#wtnv #welcome to night vale #wtnv 230 #wtnv spoilers #dr janet lubelle #i saw one mention of this in someone's tags why are we not speaking of it #is it for the money gained from a cure you also made or sadism? #anyway. 10x worse than bbygirl Kevin who is coming back I'm so happy

[agnes-come-back-challenge]

I just realized this is probably the first time the public hasn't instinctively followed Cecil's lead. This is the man who managed to incite a mob to run a barber out of town for cutting Carlos' hair, and now he can't even convince them the enemy is Lubelle and not science

I wonder if he's trying desperately to pretend things are okay as people who used to be friendly faces are now acting colder to Carlos than they ever have (because even when he was new and unknown, they at least offered him a friendly "Interloper!")

Maybe Carlos is spending hours and hours in his lab because he knows Janet won't listen to anything except science, but when he finally leaves he's met with mistrustful glares and people snidely telling Cecil that maybe it'd be safer to raise Esteban as a single father. Or, worse: maybe on some days Janet is outside waiting for him, telling him she knows him, and she knows he's a better scientist than this. Maybe she tells him she misses when he actually cared about science, and that hurts worse than anything else because science is his whole life, and now he's stuck between a town he loves that considers him too much of a scientist to be worth loving back and a classmate he used to look up to who doesn't consider him a scientist at all

#wtnv #welcome to night vale #cecil palmer #carlos the scientist #wtnv spoilers #cecil gershwin palmer #dr janet lubelle #janet lubelle #the university of what it is

[the-worst-bracket]

Round 2D

#polls #saint charlos #dr janet lubelle #welcome to night vale #one piece #wtnv

[teartra]

Dr. Janet Lubelle’s VA did a great job because I really want to punch Janet Lubelle in the face

#dr janet lubelle #janet lubelle #wtnv #welcome to night vale #carlos explained

[bardinthezone]

I am... disappointed with the latest episode. It felt like the last episode had a very clear set up, it ended with Lubelle taking over the damn radio station, and then.... nothing? No real acknowledgement of how that got resolved? I was certain we were going to start with Lubelle, that they were going to do something really clever with the format, maybe start with an "explained" Cecil. But nope. Just business as usual. And Tamika becoming a bit of a wet blanket, the hefty shift away from a tactic that definitely worked in night vale's recent history. No Carlos other than "oUGhHHHHhHHhh my husband's a scientist, cmon guys don't ban science," and all this constant referencing to old plot points that I'm worried won't go anywhere!

This latest episode was unsatisfying because it seemed clear where the story would go and they veered completely into left field. And to be honest I'm less excited for later episodes now because they've shown they're willing to take the story in directions that don't really make for a great cohesive narrative? They set the stakes so high and then said "that doesn't matter" so now I don't feel invested with any of these new, lower stakes (because I'm sorry but "the character we've gotten no time with recently can't legally do science anymore" is no where near as compelling as "the voice of night vale has been kidnapped/explained and the whole show is in jeopardy").

Cluttered. This episode felt cluttered. It felt like they were trying to dangle a dozen different potential plot threads in front of us and as a result none of them really stuck the landing.

Except the extra hour in the ball pit

Fucking golden joke, A+

#it just.. bugged me #why on gods green earth did they do that??? #it doesnt make sense #im curious if there will be a “lubelle is defeated by something she cant explain” or if that was just a red herring #but yeah not super happy with this one lads #loved the sandwich bit though #and i am a bit worried for Josh #oh and the Song was a nice touch #although they did still refer to it as ''the weather'' in the ep description #i dont have much hope for a desert bluffs appearance though #i think theyre just trying to build tension by referencing popular imagery #what an ep #dr janet lubelle #cecil gershwin palmer #carlos the scientist #wtnv spoilers #wtnv 228 #wtnv #welcome to night vale

[djspookyty]

IF THEY MAKE SCIENCE ILLEGAL THEN WHAT IN THE UTTER FUCK IS CARLOS GONNA DO?! LIKE THE COLLECTIVE PARANOIA OF SCIENCE BEING USED FOR BAD IS GOING TO AFFECT THE GOOD SCIENTISTS!!! AGGGGGGH

#wtnv #wtnv 228 #welcome to night vale #cecil gershwin palmer #carlos the scientist #dr janet lubelle #the university of what it is #uowii

[welcometohermitcraft]

I'm not sure if this is a thing that exists already but I NEED to see Dr. Janet Lubelle and Lauren Mallard girlbossing it up together (with the goal to exact revenge on Carlos and all of Night Vale of course)

#i know Lubelle would probably be a bit too normal for Lauren's madness #and i knkw theyre literally a dimension apart #and that Lubelle is probably dead #and that Lauren is currently doing some creepy cult shit all to fuck with Kevin #but just hear me out please #year 2 lauren and lubelle would be a powerhouse of capitalism and unethical science #wtnv #dr janet lubelle #janet lubelle #lauren mallard

[welcome-to-night-vale-horoscope]

hearing cecil say "and now listen to this song" instead of "and now the weather" was truly the worst and I hope doctor lubelle will burn for her sins

#wtnv #ep.229 #the accused #cecil palmer #dr janet lubelle

[lostboywriting]

lying in bed contemplating lubelle studying cecil by sticking him in a room made entirely of mirrored surfaces to see what happens. nothing to cover them with, nothing else to look at, just infinite hallways of his own reflection in every direction...🤔

#wtnv #dr janet lubelle #cecil gershwin palmer

[asydicsydney]

I don't think Lubelle is dead.

We're bringing up the 210 Horoscopes again because it's my favorite thing to bitch about

"Aquarius : You know that one lady who is running a years-long scam on you, carefully harvesting you for personal information that she will someday turn against you for her own profit? Oh you don’t? Well… heads up I guess."

Lubelle never explained anything about Cecil. She got science banned, but she never took down Carlos' true love...or his other love above science, Esteban, also an Aquarius.(When you listen to reason and not #223)

But we also have this: "Taurus: Someone you love will betray you. Or they won’t. One of those two things, it’s unclear which."

Knowing the end of Carlos, Explained now, what if this was tied to Kevin? Or Cecil in relation to Kevin? "One of those two things", maybe one betrays and the other doesn't, and it's unclear to the stars since they're doubles?

#wtnv #welcome to night vale #wtnv spoilers #carlos robles #dr janet lubelle #cecil palmer #may i dare mention my hit post about the 40th anniversary of the world ending being this year? #could be something to keep in mind as well #if finknor are cool and remember their lore #if not. we'll remember for them #please give us more crumbs of plot in the horoscopes it's really funny

[agnes-come-back-challenge]

thinking about how Lubelle straight up told Cecil he was delusional/hallucinating after explaining Station Management, because you could hear how terrified he was

On top of everything, he just lost his reality again

Cecil has already lost so much of his life. Without a childhood he can recognize, NVCR has been basically the only thing that's been there for most of his life. Having such an integral part of that be stripped away too?

When Lubelle told him his reality had been shattered, I don't think she knew how accurate that was. Cecil's percieved reality has always been shattered, and she just destroyed one of the only lifelines he had left

#im thinking thoughts #wtnv #welcome to night vale #cecil palmer #cecil gershwin palmer #janet lubelle #dr janet lubelle #wtnv 225 #Renegotiations #station management #station management wtnv #dr lubelle

[faultyvessel]

So I've been downright obsessed with the way the current arc has been teasing Carlos having to look his past in the face and reconcile so here's some random thoughts. Carlos mentions when the U of WII first shows up in ep 212 that he's worried about Lubelle's lack of an ethical code, a trait shared by all of the faculty. We also know that him and Lubelle were grad students together, and that later Carlos goes on to become a member of the U of WII faculty. Carlos mentions how brilliant Lubelle is. Even though he's afraid, he can't fully speak ill of her, almost as though theres a minuscule piece of jealousy left over from bygone days when the two of them would push the limits in their pursuit of (and devotion to) science. Lubelle was always willing to go further, and it ate at him constantly, even when they set out on different scientific paths after school.

It still eats at him now, though for a very different reason.

The Carlos of those pre Night Vale days was less ethical (we've seen the bleed through of this past in his recklessness in It Devours and the lengths he was willing to go for the experiment ). I like to think that in pursuit of his past research, Carlos somehow gets himself into very hot water. (Insert whatever dubious scandal you like) He risks losing everything: name, funding, future. That is, until an old classmate turned faculty head reaches out to him, offering a position at the school and to vouch for him. Carlos accepts and he becomes a member of the faculty. After all, it's only logical to once again combine their great minds together. That far outweighs any previous consequences, and those vanish seemingly forever. Carlos doesn't think twice. He strives even harder now to be ruthless because seeing Lubelle in that position of power has rekindled the competitive jealousy of their grad days. Current Carlos now lies awake, thinking of two situations in his life where another has stepped in to wipe his past clean and give him a fresh start. Thinks about how much destruction is imminent because he's run so far those two iterations of himself have finally collided.

Carlos doesn't want to look that earlier scientist who shook her hand and accepted her salvation in the blink of an eye.

#welcome to night vale #wtnv #wtnv carlos #carlos the scientist #faulty’s carlos slandering continues #wtnv spoilers #wtnv 227 #janet lubelle #dr janet lubelle #the university of what it is #welcome to night vale 227 #wtnv episode 227 #wtnv cecil #welcome to desert bluffs #desert bluffs #it devours! #I REALLY JUST WANT HIM TO SUFFER OK #BUT ITS ALSO IMPORTANT TO THE PLOT #IDK I JUST LOVE THE IDEA OF THAT ACADEMIC BITTERNESS

[lemoneyshipz]

Sorry just saw somebody saying carlos is a bad scientist and i will not fucking have it, there are other people on this site that have said better than me that carlos was extremely capable in his own way. But here is what i think is the difference that sets apart him from lubell.

Night vale had always been a separate being torn apart from the rest of the universe, we have already established that in many of the previous episodes especially with huntokar’s explanations. Night vale has never confined itself to any of the existing scientific laws of the outside world because those scientific laws does not apply to it. Carlos didn’t understand it when he first arrived to night vale hence the clocks, but he learns to understand that the all the existing scientific explanations doesn’t apply to night vale and thats okay, it is a part of what night vale is. He accepts it for the way it is and continues his studies according to night vale’s own standards.

Now with Janet, when she first arrives to night vale she carries with her decades of knowledge she has built up from her career from THE OUTSIDE WORLD. And she is so confident with those knowledge she held she forcibly applies the outside scientific explanations onto night vale’s bizarre phenomenons. And by exerting the scientific explanations onto night vale for the first time the scientific laws of the outside world are applied to nightvale, thus losing its magic and mystique. In reality she didn’t even try to understand night vale the same way carlos does, by acknowledging it is different from the rest of the world and respectfully studies it according to night vale’s own scientific laws, instead, she forces an explanation that shouldn’t be applied to night vale to suit her own comprehension of the situation, taking away night vale’s uniqueness in the process.

This is just me rumbling because I’ve been thinking about this all day during work today and plz be patient with me if i made any grammatical or vocabulary errors or if you disagree, I’ve spoken english for a long time but it still isn’t my first language.

#welcome to night vale #wtnv #carlos the scientist #cecil palmer #cecilos #janet lubelle #dr janet lubelle #wtnv carlos #wtnv rant #wtnv 215 #night vale

[bardinthezone]

What vs. Why

So. Night Vale ep. 227, huh?

I was hyperfixating on it reading the transcript for info on the flesh creature from the murals and I caught myself thinking, I just want to know why the creature is doing this! Immediately I retorted, No, that’s exactly what Dr. Lubelle wants. That’s the point, that not everything needs an explanation.

But is that what Dr. Lubelle wants?

Dr. Lubelle wants to know What. She doesn’t believe that these things exist in the state they claim to be-- she demands everything conform to her picture of reality. She needs to be right and uses science to prove others wrong.  It’s called the University of What It Is, for pete’s sake. 

And that’s where the distinction between good and bad science comes from, at least within the universe of Night Vale.

Bad science seeks to know What. It refuses to trust people, it refuses to admit fault. It demands empirical proof that the wielder is Right and explains away anyone who doesn’t conform. It’s destructive.

Good science seeks to know Why. It meets people at their level. It doesn’t question their existence--- it merely seeks understanding of it. It is open to being proved wrong, and wants the answer that serves everyone. It’s constructive.

On a meta level, this speaks volumes to the nature of narrative critiques in the modern day. I’ve seen people comparing Lubelle’s perspective to that of Marvel Fans™ and in such a poetic podcast, I think that’s a fair point to make. A common trend, spurred on by the likes of CinemaSins, is to needlessly nitpick a story for any detail that goes outside the bounds of realism. Even fantasy stories are berated for breaking the laws of physics and not conforming to earth’s rules when-- news flash-- it’s fantasy. They don’t have to fit our rules.. And on a deeper layer, narrative meaning is sidelined. Something existing to make the story better is not an adequate explanation in this worldview-- everything has to have an empirical reason; everything has to have a What. 

Going out even further, it points to a dangerous dismissal of other cultures and practices and anything that you don’t personally agree with. Spiritual and religious beliefs are commonly handwaved as being a result of social conditioning or contaminants in the environment or any number of other dismissive explanations. I myself am not religious, and I’m not terribly spiritual-- but this methodical takedown of beliefs that aren’t necessarily harmful is destructive and callous. (obviously I’m not saying no one has been harmed by religion, but just because someone is religious doesn’t mean they’re a bad person). Not everything needs a What-- sometimes, it’s okay to just leave the explanation at “because brings me joy and it’s not harming anyone.”

anyways I have A Lot of feelings about this arc, thanks for coming to my TEDTalk

#this is my favorite arc since... honestly maybe strexcorp #huntokar and the reappearing flight and the Beagle and all the rest were great but this.. ooooo this just hits different #this is the first time ive been legitimately scared for cecil in a long time #wtnv spoilers #wtnv #dr janet lubelle #cecil palmer #carlos the scientist #welcome to night vale

[djspookyty]

THE SCREAM I SCRUMPT WHEN JANET GOT UP ON THAT MICROPHONE!!! BITCH WHAT THE FUCK

#wtnv 227 #welcome to night vale #wtnv #cecil gershwin palmer #cecil palmer #dr janet lubelle