#evangelical movement

[filosofablogger]

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#Civil Rights Act of 1964 #evangelical movement #George H.W. Bush #Jerry Falwell and Paul Weyrich #President Lyndon B. Johnson #Ronald Reagan #Thom Hartmann

[newsworthy56]

#evangelical movement

[sluttylittlewaste]

It's wild how many people took Kristen's line of questioning as her saying Tracker isn't taking her religion seriously instead of what I heard her asking which was:

How many of these people would be here if it wasn't religious Coachella?

#also #some of y'all don't seem to realize that Brennan is referencing some very serious real world questions #of what happens when legitimate religious movements get turned into social clubs #and how that transformation often deteriorates the messaging and purpose of said movement #jesus and judas had the same conversation #it's a significant part of why protestantism even exists #did y'all not watch the Hillsong doc? #have y'all never been to an evangelical megachurch #when the church start using free shit and cushy rewards to get people to join? it's a dog whistle for them losing the plot #which Kristen 100% knows #which is WHY SHE ASKED #she's asking how many of these people give a real fuck about Galicaea #IT'S A VALID QUESTION #and it's important that Kristen #(who understands just how deeply Tracker cares) #can pull her back to the reality of what she came to Fallinel to do #let me die #if i die #d20 fhjy #fhjy #dimension 20 #kristen applebees #rant #tracker o'shaughnessey #trackerbees

[shirkers2018dirsanditan]

it only just came to me but the irony of accusing opponents or critics of infant adoption of espousing conservative evangelical views is that adoption, especially infant adoption, is quite literally the bread and butter of evangelicals and catholics. private adoption is essentially run exclusively by the christian right but public adoption too is a favored institution of conservatives. it’s genuinely a doozy to think about….

#the most brutal anti-birth-family family court judges are white evangelical republicans fr #like long before ‘domestic supply of infants’ #its been this way for a while… #like look at argentina #or native american adoption in the us #or the stolen generation in australia #or the international adoption movement #it’s crazy……………

[music-for-them-asses]

I watched a movie about Christian Nationalism the other night (God & Country, available to rent on Prime and a few other platforms), and I don't think people realize how fucked we are of Republicans can control again this year. They've started building the foundation for a theocracy already, and they absolutely intend to finish it by selecting Tr*mp again in November.

This will absolutely ruin the lives of people in red states, more so than they already are. They will absolutely try to overturn Obergefell v. Hodges and Lawrence v. Texas. They're already on track to overturn the right to birth control. Y'all saw what happened after Roe was overturned. Abortion is totally outlawed in Texas. You can get fucking sued for having one, or helping someone else have one. People are traveling for days to get abortions, or being forced to have children against their will. Parents' lives are at stake because they're being forced to carry nonviable pregnancies. Shit is BAD.

My family lives here. I don't want to be separated from them. It costs a shit ton of money to move to another state. And Texas doesn't have an income tax, so it's a pretty cheap place to live. I shouldn't have to move just to have human rights.

I don't know where I was going with this, other than it's made me terribly upset. Please, PLEASE vote in your elections. Vote locally and on the state level! Do your research on the candidates beforehand! Voting is the least form of action we can take, but we should still be doing it.

#personal #venting #Texas still has sodomy laws on the books ready to go back into action if Lawrence is overturned #Shit is just getting so much worse and I'm afraid people will underestimate the powers of the white evangelical Trump movement again

[nutzo0001]

Anon 2000s nostalgia

In the early 2000's I finished high school and went to college. I was so stressed out, and in many ways very stupid, and didn't appreciate it at the time. But god do I wish we could go back. Pop culture seemed so dumb, but today it's even dumber. The post 9/11 world seemed so dire, but today things feel even worse. The Patriot act was the height of tyranny! But it was just a stepping stone to even more authoritarianism. --- You know one thing I really miss? When most people still understood how important freedom of speech was! I think it was the height of free speech in my lifetime:

The Evangelical Christian Conservatives had lost the cultural power to enforce their prudishness and were mocked by comedians.

The 80's/90's PC movements from the leftist academics had not gained any traction, and were mocked by comedians.

People who got themselves all worked up and offended by things were rightfully mocked as the weak morons the are.

It was "anything goes" when it comes to comedy, horror, political discourse. And everyone recognized it as a good thing.

Xbox live voice chat.

But then at some point it seems like the progressives realized that the Christians Conservatives didn't have the power to censor anyone anymore, and that was the signal that the left no longer had to pretend to care about free speech. Thus began an ever growing snowball of political correctness which continues to this day and busted open the doors for all sorts of impending speech controls in the name of bullshit like "misinformation", "disinformation" and the new term they made up as an excuse to censor verifiably true things: "malinformation".

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Dude you nailed it. You absolutely nailed how I feel about the 2000s. I also finished high school and also college in this decade. Our mid gen Y generation was raised on this idea that there were these conservative blockheads running the culture. We were raised to be so sensitive to it. At some point the progressives realised they completely won the culture war long ago, and over the next decade and a half went rampant with their authoritarianism. So while I miss the aesthetics of the 2000s, the risk taking innovative tech that wasn't too invasive in life, my youth at the time. The thing that sticks out the most is both sides of the political divide could respect each other's free speech. It went beyond that too, don't we miss when everything didn't have to be political?

#It went beyond that too #don't we miss when everything didn't have to be political? #The Evangelical Christian Conservatives had lost the cultural power to enforce their prudishness and were mocked by comedians. #The 80's/90's PC movements from the leftist academics had not gained any traction #and were mocked by comedians. #People who got themselves all worked up and offended by things were rightfully mocked as the weak morons the are. #It was “anything goes” when it comes to comedy #horror #political discourse. And everyone recognized it as a good thing. #Xbox live voice chat. #2000s #early 2000s #2000s nostalgia #nostalgia #culture #takes #Dude you nailed it. #You absolutely nailed how I feel about the 2000s. I also finished high school and also college in this decade. #Our mid gen Y generation was raised on this idea that there were these conservative blockheads running the culture. We were raised to be so #At some point the progressives realised they completely won the culture war long ago #and over the next decade and a half went rampant with their authoritarianism. #So while I miss the aesthetics of the 2000s #the risk taking innovative tech that wasn't too invasive in life #my youth at the time. The thing that sticks out the most is both sides of the political divide could respect each other's free speech. #But then at some point it seems like the progressives realized that the Christians Conservatives didn't have the power to censor anyone any #and that was the signal that the left no longer had to pretend to care about free speech. Thus began an ever growing snowball of political #“disinformation” and the new term they made up as an excuse to censor verifiably true things: “malinformation”.

[lilithism1848]

#anti capitalism #leftism #socialism #communism #anarchy #black lives are important #black lives fucking matter #black lives matter #black lives still matter #black lives movement #black lives have always mattered #black liberation #right wing #extremism #evangelicals #maga #leftists #right wing women #right wing bullshit #right wing politics

[saint-ambrosef]

I normally would just mind my business and not butt my nose in, but i feel like maybe you would be open to hearing this so im giving it a shot. As someone who really appreciated and respected you, the way you just kind of threw out "evangelicals are wild" and encouraged blaming a Christian denomination on a post that didn't even identify the person being weird as that denomination was kind of a shock to see from you.

I've really enjoyed your content (thats saying something, im actually an athiest, lol) and found you really reasonable and wise in a lot of ways. I liked learning about catholicism from someone who genuinely cares about and defends their faith. I've always grown up seeing catholics as the epitome of traditionalist hypocrites who pick on everyone else, but you and a few others really began changing that for me. Because of that, I'm a litle taken aback how easily you and a few other catholic blogs I've followed just slap the evangelical label on any sort of Christian thing you find cringe. It comes off mean spirited and disingenuous as an outsider with just enough understanding to know what you're doing isn't all that fair. Evangelicalism is pretty broad movement that contains an extremely broad spectrum of people and "personal" ideaologies. Given the breadth of actors in catholicism as well, it seems like if anyone would understand why branding people by their worst actors is unfair, it would be you guys. It's probably distressing to see people so quickly bandwagon on and identify catholicism as the pedophile priest people or what I said about my original thoughts about catholicism earlier. I know I hate it enough with cringe reddit atheist edgelords being the first thing anyone thinks about when they hear athiest. So, I find it a little disappointing to see so many of you guys do to others what I'm sure you hate having done to your own worldview because who doesn't hate being misrepresented?

It's one thing to have some friendly jabs back and forth and to be open and honest about agreeing on worldviews, but purposefully reducing the opposing argument seems so underhanded. And to be clear, I think that woman is a nutjob and I laughed at how ridiculous what she said was, I'm not saying you can't agree she's crazy or laugh at someone for being insane or just plane wrong. It's using the extreme to identify thr whole that's where I'm finding myself disappointed.

It's not your responsibility to cater to your audience, I'm well aware. And I'm trying not to come off as someone nitpicking you for blowing off steam or having a laugh. I just felt like maybe I could bring up to you what it looks like as someone outside of faith and how it really jars the opinion I was forming on catholicism to see that. I'm not scandalized or unfollowing or anything, I just figure maybe it's worth saying that this wasn't a moment where I felt like catholicism was more then it's stereotype, and I'd rather you be aware and maybe give you a chance to respond before I let it become foundational.

Thank you for your time, and sorry for your long post.

I understand what you're saying and appreciate the respectful rebuke, but I can't say I agree with your conclusion.

When someone calls out a specific bad actor as an example of Catholicism, the vast majority of the time they are not actually modeling Catholic beliefs. They're straight up expressing heresy that is objectively contrary to an approved theological belief of a formally organized religion. So propping it up as an example of legitimate Catholic belief is factually incorrect and invalid.

As you say with Evangelicalism, it's a "pretty broad movement that contains an extremely broad spectrum of people and 'personal' ideologies". There isn't a set of definable beliefs. That's the exact problem - and the criticism implied in my original comment. Because of Evangelicalism's belief in personal interpretation without a central organized authority, any and all personal ideology is theoretically acceptable. Wack opinions like that lady are a direct result of mainstream Evangelicalism. Her beliefs are technically as valid as anyone else's under Evangelical understanding, even if 90% of other Evangelicals think her incorrect. She does validly represent Evangelical beliefs whether they like it or not.

Again, I appreciate the respectful rebuke, but I honestly think you are over-analyzing a tongue-in-cheek tag comment. There is no "reducing the opposing argument" (?what argument?). I certainly don't think she represents all or most Evangelical Christians. I think she's the unfortunate but inevitable result of the shaky theological reasoning that undercuts the Evangelical movement. This is not me "slapping the Evangelical label on any sort of Christian thing [I] find cringe", it's a legitimate criticism.

I guess I could have initially explained all that more carefully, but I confess I did not expect someone would draw so many conclusions regarding my intentions and meaning from such a simple three word comment.

#also small correction: Evangelicalism is a broader movement not a denomination #many different denominations and almost all independent non-denominational churches are Evangelical #Baptists are probably the largest Evangelical denomination #the point is that i'm not tying this woman to/blaming any particular denomination #i'm blaming the Evangelical movement philosophy

[thebreakfastgenie]

If you want to talk about Evangelical Christianity in the United States... the Evangelical movement is entwined with the Republican Party. That's why we've been calling the GOP a white supremacist death cult since before COVID. What makes Evangelical Christians so dangerous is unlike some extreme religious groups, they are deeply involved in politics and they are not divided. They don't hesitate to vote en masse for Republican candidates, even ones who blatantly flout their espoused moral values.

The way to keep Evangelical Christianity from wielding institutional power in the United States is to vote en masse for Democrats.

#the history is so ironic because jimmy carter is devout #but the modern role of the evangelical movement in politics more or less starts with reagan beating carter #anyway. sorry for the cringe lib solution but it does work.

[17yearcicada]

time for a beautiful evening of SHAKESPEARE and ANNOTATING THEOLOGICAL TEXTS

#it's actually barely theological it's more just some guy's issues with the evangelical movement. does that count i'm not sure... #either way. man oh man does this guy have opinions i can't wait to write essays on #.txt

[acecasinova]

Got one of those "swing a bat at a hornets nest" ideas to forward an ex-Evangelical, now Wesleyan pastor's anti-gun newsletter to my family....

#this guy slaps though #he owns up to his mistakes raised in the fundie evangelical movement #and links to sources that he's read and that address things from a biblical angle #I think he built the case for the American idolatry to guns and violence

[theexodvs]

MRAs: What are you going to do to prevent women from lying about the identity about their children’s father?

Me: Catechize my daughters. I will tell them that intercourse with men who are not their husbands violates the seventh commandment, that lying about the identity of the father of their children violates the ninth commandment (and, if this lie makes its way to a birth certificate, a federal crime), and that extracting money from men who did not father their children or for purposes other than taking care of their children violates the eighth commandment. I will tell them that all these things are cosmic treason. And when catechizing my sons, I will tell them to avoid entanglement with women whose character demonstrates they might do these things. That is all I as one man can do to prevent others from engaging in sin.

MRAs: Oh, we won’t do that, because we intend to let the public school system and the tablet do our catechizing.

Me: So, what you’re telling me is that you expect civil magistrate to punish behavior in independent adults that you won’t tell your own children is wrong when they are young and under your headship?

MRAs: Yes. Because legislation always solves sociocultural problems.

#Men's rights #men's rights activist #men's rights activists #men's rights movement #men's rights activism #mra #mras #mrm #catechesis #Seventh commandment #Eight commandment #Ninth commandment #Thou shalt not commit @ d u l + e r y #Thou shalt not steal #Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor #Paternity fraud #Child support #child evangelism

[f1ghtsoftly]

my boss and I were both raised catholic/went to catholic schools and her in laws have a tradcath son and I really appreciate that we bully him at every opportunity, what a freak.

#the trad cath thing is also insane to me because like? #have you met any latin americans? any italians? #like trad caths…it’s very obvious it’s an evangelical take on catholicism #because even very observant catholics do not act like they do #which is also crazy because evangelicals freaked out so bad about catholic immigration to the states #a huge part of being an evangelical is rejecting it #historically at least #it’s just the phenomena is so insane to me #further evidence for my take that since we’ve become a visual culture #the historical and theretical meaning of objects and identity signifiers has died #it’s about the aesthetic of traditionalism and not really the practice #and it’s so divorced from it’s historic roots it actually really bothers me #catholicism is a state religion #it’s roman in character #the point is not really to Feel #or to be a zealot #even the conventions of communion #sort of inseperable from roman sacrifice #sorry I’m going off but it’s just such an ahistoric misunderstood movement #if you want real pure religion a la intensive oneness with the spiritual you should become a radical methodist

[gwydionmisha]

#Donald Trump #MAGA Movement #Evangelicalism #Cult #Christian Wrong #Republicanism #News

[jarredlharris]

Thoughts while listening to a podcast episode critiquing the spiritual warfare movement.

I did a live thread capturing my thoughts as I listened to an episode of the Go Home Bible (You're Drunk) podcast. The following is an aggregated copy of that thread.

I don't listen regularly to @gohomebible (please don't hate me @JustinDGentry), but I occasionally listen to one of their podcasts. The title of their most recent one caught my eye.

Anything about "spiritual warfare" always piques my interest. For a few reasons:

While In college, I got into the spiritual warfare movement. So I have a history.

As a Pagan witch, I'm often a regular villain in the minds of those who practice spiritual warfare.

As a witch, I'm fascinated and amused by how much of the spiritual warfare practices seem to mimic witchcraft and other forms of magic. This is especially amusing in light of #2 in this list. So, this is a livetweet thread of the latest @gohomebible episode.

(Wow, a podcast listen-and-tweet session by me that's not focused on @ThereafterPod? Can everyone handle it.) Anyway, pressing the play button on the episode now.

.@JustinDGentry: "Current debtholder." Seen, Justin. Seen. @gohomebible

.@JustinDGentry and @ToriGlass are talking about how "putting women on a pedestal" is still objectifying them. @gohomebible

Quick! Someone should start a pool taking bets on how many times I tag the wrong podcast in this thread. @gohomebible

I love how all of these podcasts promote each other. Beautiful stuff. @gohomebible

They're talking about "Sound of Freedom" right now. An important conversation. @gohomebible

Discussing (evangelical) men's need to rescuing "things" (particularly women just puts me in mind of the "Damsel in Distress" trope in video games that Anita Sarkeesian covered years ago. Apparently, saving Princess Peach isn't enough for some guys. @gohomebible

.@ToriGlass is talking about how evangelicals seem to implicitly trust other (evangelical) Christians without fact-checking or critical thinking. Excellent point. @gohomebible

About to get to the spiritual warfare discussion. Can't wait! @gohomebible

So apparently the Patreon levels for the podcast are named after church leadership positions? That's kinda funny. @gohomebible

.@JustinDGentry: If you ever had to cast out a demon or learn to do so, you have permission to drink throughout the episode." Guess I should've bought a ton of booze. @gohomebible

They're talking about how much paranoia there is in the spiritual warfare movement. So true. @gohomebible

As an aside, the number is still "zero," but there have been quite a few close calls. @gohomebible

@JarredH: Quick! Someone should start a pool taking bets on how many times I tag the wrong podcast in this thread. @gohomebible

@JustinDGentry is talking about how people in his life attributed sleep paralysis to demons. I'd imagine that'd be pretty unhelpful and harmful. @gohomebible

In my experience, those in the spiritual warfare are extremely skeptical of and hostile to therapy. Probably a huge reason for that. @gohomebible

.@ToriGlass is giving a high level (and probably simplified) explanation of the neurological causes behind sleep paralysis and it's pretty interesting. Would love to learn more. @gohomebible

.@ToriGlass: "We're weirdos." Reminds me of the line from "The Craft." It was a much better line in that movie, though. @gohomebible

.@JustinDGentry is suggesting that ND people might want to take more nuance when talking about how their upbringing impacted them. Probably, but I'd say that's good advice for NT people at way. @gohomebible

Yay! @JustinDGentry mentioned prayer walks! I forget how many of those I and my friends did while in college. @gohomebible

.@ToriGlass mentioned that there are pastors who teach that autism is caused by demons. I realize he's not the only one, but I gotta ask: Are we avoiding mentioning Greg Locke by name? @gohomebible

Kinda waiting for @ToriGlass and @JustinDGentry to say "victim blaming." @gohomebible

Those poor pigs! (You'll have to listen to understand the context.) @gohomebible

.@JustinDGentry: "If I jerk off too much, can I be possessed?" Sadly, I get how someone embedded in the spiritual warfare movement would worry about that. It's so tragic, though. @gohomebible

I'm amused that @JustinDGentry mentioned he "got rid of the devil rather quickly." It's funny to me that leaving the spiritual warfare movement accomplished the goal of the movement far better than the movement itself ever did. @gohomebible

.@ToriGlass calls spiritual warfare a "get out of the work free card" and I think that's a perfect analysis. @gohomebible

Cleaning up the mentions in this thread so that I don't blow up people's personal accounts with even more notifications. @gohomebible

This was an excellent episode that focused on the psychological harms of the spiritual warfare movement. @gohomebible

Now if I can conclude this thread with a little shameless self-promotion. I've covered the spiritual warfare in various threads in the past from a different angle. I often analyze and criticize the movement from a theological and/or magical perspective.

If that's something that would interest you, I'd encourage you to search through my past tweets.

For example, you might be interested in this thread from January where I watched an analyzed a YouTube video by Julia Dee Motycka called "Power, Prayer, and Spiritual Warfare."

#spiritual warfare movement #podcasts #evangelical harm #Spotify

[nando161mando]

"I was taught that Democrats...had a plot to outlaw Christianity. They had even created the hoax of global warming to make life more difficult for everyone, just so they could raise taxes and control us."

#democrats #outlaw #christianity #christofascists #global warming #gst #tax #fuck qanon #evangelicals #false beliefs of the qanon movement #qanonisacult #qanon conspiracy #qanon cult #qanon shaman #qanonsense #q anon #qanon #ausgov #politas #auspol #tasgov #taspol #australia #fuck neoliberals #neoliberal capitalism #anthony albanese #albanese government #eat the rich #eat the fucking rich #fuck the gop