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forgloryforhonor · 2 years

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an interesting detail you can see in the manga from Benizakura Arc!

Familiar isn’t it? it’s the scene where Gintoki finds out that Otae had prepared his clothes for him despite telling him not to leave sickbay. She leaves her umbrella for him too.

but notice that there’s another umbrella in the vase on the background.

That means that there were at least two umbrellas in that house at that point in time. I presume that the one in the vase is Gintoki’s own umbrella. Gintoki could have chosen not to take Otae’s umbrellla with him. It was her favorite after all.

But he brought it with him.

Why?

Because that was Otae’s request in exchange for letting him go.

This is the moment where we see that Otae has acknowledged what Yorozuya stands for, who Yorozuya is.

If you think about it, Otae was fulfilling Shinpachi’s request to protect Gintoki. Then Tetsuko had a request for Gintoki. Otae knew that eventually Gintoki will run away and help out just as Shinpachi had predicted.

So this was Otae’s challenge, her request for him as the Yorozuya:

He has to bring back her umbrella. He has to return.

In doing so, not only does she grant Gintoki’s desire to be released from sickbay, she’s fulfilling her promise to her brother too.

#gintama #gintae #tae shimura #shimura shinpachi #sakata gintoki #yorozuya #benizakura arc #anime vs manga #manga vs anime #gintae meta #gintama thoughts #btw the vase wasnt shown in the anime #and movie #instead a cabinet was put there in it's place #finally got free time to do stuff #these past months had been Busy

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craftydragonperson · 2 years

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Shimura Otae and her smile

I believe some viewers felt Otae enjoyed hurting people because her smiling followed suit of her aggressive tendencies; her brutality added at the beginning of the shows adaptation seemed especially heinous to most. Everyone throws punches left and right but her upside down frown is what leaves people with the wrong impression.

I believe international viewers are left out of the culture context about her outward appearance. I mean she looks like an everyday woman of Edo, just with a bit of a temper. I felt it was just her gimmick at first; the innocent look that does a complete one-eighty, yet that isn’t the full case.

I got done watching a reaction video (I know I’m one of those people lol). This person, who after watching the Yagyuu Arc, gave thoughts on the episode. Discussing Otae’s true genuine smile of jubilation and joy, and not the smile she always wore. The put up front reminded them of studying in Japan.

The person mentioned they actually studied abroad numerous times throughout videos. The wrap up of the arc immediately brought thought of a book their Japanese professor had given the class. They still have the book in both English and Japanese as a keepsake.

The Japanese professor was very particular, to all studying in the class, to understand the concept of the Japanese smile. How and what they were presenting in Japan could be the complete opposite of what was going on internally. That it was quite normal for someone to have a smile on their face but inside they’re in incredible pain and sorrow.

Book covers for Kitchen by Banana Yoshimoto

The professor brought that up when the class were reading the book Kitchen by Banana Yoshimoto. It was about someone that was always smiling externally but inside there was so much trauma.

They watched the film version and the film portrayed the book quite well. In the story though, you can read the internal monologue of the main character but in the movie you don’t have access to that. So you just see the main character from the outside. And if you just watch it, without any context of Japanese culture, without the context of the book with the internal monologue, you would think; and it would leave you with a completely different impression of the main character. You wouldn’t even realize just how much pain she was in.

☝️ This here is how I think viewers see Otae. They can’t discern what they see and perceive her character as just being high-handed. This is how one would surmise her personality without truly knowing the person inside. And I suppose people believe this is her true nature. Which, I won’t lie, at times could be true . . . .

However there is also other obvious facets that people tend to overlook time after time. She was raised for a short time and by few people who taught her to smile through the tough times in life. And that concept has been embedded in her, throughout the series. It’s given her wisdom and strength at such a young age. It’s this reason that I fell for this character. She has more strength than mere brawn. This way of masking pain goes outside the boundaries of Japanese culture, nonetheless it’s something upheld as a society. It’s taught and becomes an automatic way of operating through daily life. She’s the product of that time and it’s day-to-day people. I hope this can cut her some slack from viewers who think nothing but physical power of her.

BTW for anyone interested the book is amazing. It’s a tiny read but a ton you can acquire from reading it! I highly recommend. Plus, you may find other similar characteristic’s that may have been inspiration for a persona in the Gintama series. It adds to how Sorachi takes and intertwines historical figures with important fictional works to create key roles for his own series. 😮

#gintama #gintama thoughts #kitchen #banana yoshimoto #otae shimura #gintae #gintoki x otae #sorachi hideaki #literature #japanese #japanese history

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tae-shimura-is-my-wife · 1 year

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Gintoki and Hijikata crying over children movies is one of my favorite things actually, especially because i would never expect characters like them act that way!

#gintama #gntm #gintama thoughts #gintoki #gintoki sakata #hijikata #hijikata toushirou

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mapleandwave · 2 years

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*squirts spray bottle*

Now be a good dog and stay on your lane!

Or go bother some other popular ship.

#you act like a dog I'll treat you like one #gintama thoughts #go bark at some else's backyard #annoyed neighbor #Shut up Karen

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svogliata-mente · 10 months

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gintama said you have to live even if life sucks and it's embarrassing even if you only live for the small things even if you live day by day still you have to live. and it said when you live you pick up the burden that is caring about other people and you have to carry it always even if it's heavy even if you feel like you can't anymore even if you don't even realize you're carrying it until you drop it and you never ever want to pick it up again because what if you drop it this time too how can you do it all again but you do you always do. and it said when you care about someone else they care about you too. when you protect something it protects you back. how can this burden be so heavy when you're all carrying it together

#but also it said what if you woke up one day with a screwdriver dick would that be fucked up or what #in other words I've read it at the perfect time in my life and i will forever be normal about this i prommy #gintama #ah-ha i knew i said all of that already i have like three thoughts total #anyway @ali i was trying to say this but even less coherently #(this was in my drafts btw. in case that wasn't clear)

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imai-nobume · 3 months

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sorachi sticking to his message of found family instead of having canonically one sided romances with no mutual development or entirely platonic ones randomly getting married for the sake of a hetero nuclear family ending with dumb clone children is great actually. there is so much one can criticize about the final arc but gintama ending with yorozuya was always the obvious conclusion for the series that puts emphasis on the importance of relationships regardless of blood ties

#baffling people still thought he would write a nar//uto ending and got mad they were “baited” because their delulu ship fantasies didnt-#happen when he kept making fun of that idea in the series. including the final arc itself #blaming the author for your own lack of basic literacy...#gintama #sakata gintoki #yorozuya #shimura shinpachi #gintama rambles #kagura

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forgloryforhonor · 2 years

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It is also fascinating that on the far right, we can see Otae’s slippers on the genkan as well. This detail tells us that she was still inside the premises and purposely not showing herself to Gintoki as he let himself out.

The other umbrella and Otae’s slippers were details that were lost in the other adaptations though.

Without further ado let’s compare the different adaptations of this scene!

GINTAMA ANIME SEASON 2 - EPISODE 59 (2007)

In the anime, Otae actually left the house to buy him Shonen Jump, which explains why her slippers weren’t seen at the genkan.

Maybe to keep up with continuity in the animators’ set design of Yorozuya office, they put the cabinet in the vase’s place.

GINTAMA MOVIE 1: SHINYAKU BENIZAKURA-HEN (2010)

The anime was still much of the basis for the look of the movie adaptation. Only the cabinet design and flowers were changed. Also there‘s a board thingy at the other side of the cabinet. Moreover Otae’s slippers aren’t shown in the genkan despite her still being inside the apartment (a more faithful adaptation of the original events).

GINTAMA LIVE ACTION (2017)

The live version pays homage to the movie as well.

The cabinet is still there, albeit on the opposite wall. Otae’s slippers are nowhere in the genkan and the other umbrella is still missing.

CLOSING REMARKS

the manga has so many details that are subtle and easy to miss. There are little clues about the story peppered throughout in how Sorachi placed items in the spaces provided. It’s fascinating XD

#gintama #tae shimura #benizakura arc #sakata gintoki #yorozuya #gintae #manga vs anime #anime vs manga #gintama thoughts #gintae musings #hope u enjoyed this little trip to memory lane

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craftydragonperson · 1 year

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Thank you to everyone who got me to 250 likes!

Idk what this is honestly but yay a hit a milestone

#250 likes #tumblr milestone #thank you #gintama #gintae #sakata gintoki #gintama thoughts #shimura tae #sorachi hideaki #otae shimura #gintoki x tae #shimura otae #yorozuya

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tae-shimura-is-my-wife · 2 years

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How ironic is Shinpachi in the pool arc, he's pretty modest and has a more traditional mind (to judge others ofc) but in that arc he's trying to please girls by stripping Shogun? 😆, it got me thinking so much for no reason, like why he wanted to do it and for who, since most boys wanted to please their crushes, (in Seita case idk if that for Tsukki or a girl that he found pretty), so he wanted to please Kagura? I will never know...

#Shinpachi #Shinpachi shimura #gintama thoughts #that's silly as hell #i always keep rethinking the most pointless scenes in gntm #why i'm like this 😭#random as hell #everyone write wonderful metas #meanwhile i'm here 🤣#let's see which random thing will be the next #he isn't a conservative too #don't get it wrong

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sankatsuka · 3 months

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Gintoki Sakata Discussion: Takasugi's Influence on Gintoki - What it Means to Truly Protect Your Soul

This is DEFINITELY overthinking it and stretching it beyond canon, but nevertheless I wanted to share my recent thoughts... Spoilers for the entire story, of course. Also, warning for Takagin/Gintaka.

Edit 22/2/2024 (marked with *): Small section added for more evidence on how Gintoki was never a naturally straightforward person.

Maybe it was Takasugi who ironically inspired Gintoki to be who he is today: the man who never gives up, even if he's beaten down and everything seems hopeless - he will stand back up and protect everyone and everything around him. Just like how Takasugi senselessly was as a dojo challenger.

When Gintoki was younger, he was never like this. He was just fighting for his survival. When Gintoki first meets Shouyou, Shouyou points out how Gintoki was just wielding the sword to protect himself in a harsh, bloody environment.

This is why Gintoki doesn't give up when sparring Shouyou. He needs to be as strong as possible to keep protecting himself. Gintoki brings up how he has never lost to an adult - as if he wants to beat Shouyou simply so he can never lose ever again (so he wouldn't end up dying).

And then, Shouyou mentions how monsters are something born from a bloodstained karma. Gintoki is naturally drawn to bloodshed and death, because losing meant death in the environment he used to grow up in. So he needs to be strong and be capable of killing others so he can survive in such a place. You can just see it in the fear in Gintoki as a child standing on a pile of corpses.

(It's probably why Gintoki carries his sword around with him everywhere as a child, too. So he feels safe at all times.)

This all goes to show how Gintoki would have never had anything he would want to fight for as a child. He would just fight to be with Shouyou who was the only one he could trust or to protect himself. That's why this personality to want to protect everything within his sword's reach was definitely never innate.

Then comes Takasugi, whose Gintoki's first impression of is an irrational kid who would challenge a poor temple school with no actual reason other than wanting to win. You can see how Gintoki is clearly confused by him.

And even after losing many times, he just wouldn't give up on coming back. Gintoki even tells him to give up - he had no reason to keep getting hurt and beat up like that. It wasn't like he had to fight for his survival like Gintoki, he was clearly a privileged kid.

It is only when Takasugi wins and laughs that Gintoki no longer expresses this confusion and disagreement with Takasugi's actions. It's shown in how Gintoki suddenly tells Takasugi to come back, when Gintoki had initially told him to give up.

As if Takasugi's and everyone's smile and laughter after all that ridiculous irrationality made Gintoki realize something that made him change his mind.

Gintoki had a glimpse of Takasugi's way of living - to fight to the very end and keep getting back up for what you want, even if it was silly and stupid. In the end, you'll be rewarded with your own laughter and the people around you laughing along to your sincere, honest spirit.

It was a pointless, dumb way of living, but everyone was still laughing like that and happy. So maybe there was actually some worth in living dumbly and straightforwardly like that.

This may even be why Takasugi's laughter always stuck with Gintoki, even as he cut him down. Because it defined his life - that you should live by facing the present - just as much as Shouyou's words to use a sword to protect your soul stuck to him.

It was Shouyou who first taught Gintoki that what you truly want to do couldn't be the desperate instincts driving you, but rather something deeper down that should feel genuine - the soul. Then it was Takasugi who came along who seemed to demonstrate what living as your soul really was like - to do what you felt like doing in the moment, no matter what the people around you would say.

Even Shouyou encouraging Takasugi's pursuit suggests how this was Gintoki's lifelong answer. And only Takasugi could have demonstrated it best for Gintoki to imitate (instead of imitating Shouyou, as Shouyou had warned him against).

It truly feels like Takasugi is the humanity Shoka Sonjuku cultivated (Katsura did already know what he wanted, after all).

Takasugi's straightforwardness could have inspired Gintoki to tap into his own dull feelings deep down that he carries as he lives his everyday life. If those simple feelings for Takasugi were to grow stronger, then could there be such a thing for Gintoki too? Instead of being drawn to the joy of beating someone stronger than him, Gintoki could realize he seems more inclined to just living for some reason--

Even with no ambitions, he was still fine with just sitting around doing nothing. No matter how mundane, monotous and boring his everyday was without the excitement of a dream, Gintoki was still living for some reason. Maybe his joy in life was right there then--

--It was people. We see throughout the story that Gintoki is solely motivated to fight for the people around him.

Gintoki's actions have always, always been motivated by a desire to protect the people around him. He loves them: simply seeing them laugh when they want, cry when they want and fight to live as their truest selves. So isn't it fine for him to just want to fight for something as simple as that? Just like how Takasugi only fought for the petty reason of growing stronger.

This could be why Gintoki can now confidently say that he just loves the world as it is, even despite all the tragedies that's happened in it that made him suffer.

Not only did Takasugi potentially inspire Gintoki's present way of life, but Takasugi may even be the embodiment of what Gintoki found himself loving most about the world - that imperfect humanity of simply living, chasing what you want, getting lost, failing and suffering, but celebrating those small victories when you finally get there and laughing with everyone. This soul is what Gintoki always wants to protect within Edo, too.

After all, the mundane moments they shared in Shoka Sonjuku and Takasugi's laughter are the only things running in Gintoki's head as he resolves himself to cut Utsuro-Takasugi down. Gintoki truly loved them all.

If this wasn't the case, Gintoki would have never told Takasugi to come back. If Gintoki's motivations was never just the joy of seeing people be themselves, he would have set out and pursued whatever his soul wanted from being inspired by Takasugi's straightforwardness. He wanted to see Takasugi again, because he wanted to see that sincere, straightforward soul once again.

It could be why Gintoki is the one who disagrees with the way Takasugi does things in the present more than anyone.

If it was Takasugi who taught him that happiness of being sincere and straightforward with chasing what you wanted, and given that same spirit was exactly what Gintoki realized he loved most and wanted to protect - Gintoki would fight with all his heart for Takasugi to be that person Gintoki loved again.

It's also a nice touch that Gintoki says "I, the you who is me" when declaring he would never give up to Takasugi, as if implying how Gintoki took that lesson of straightforwardly never giving up from Takasugi himself.

Just as much as Gintoki's acceptance of Takasugi helped him, Takasugi's straightforward passion helped Gintoki just as equally.

*More evidence that Gintoki was never the person he is now is what he chooses to do after the war. Unlike Katsura and Takasugi who went off to pursue their goals, Gintoki's first instinct was to wander around and detach himself from people out of fear of losing people again. Gintoki seems to be more naturally a coward, and only when he lets people in does he find the courage to once again embrace the straightforwardness that Takasugi demonstrated.

After the events of the story that help Takasugi come to terms with himself, Takasugi's straightforwardness is later emphasized as his strong point that resonates with people. It wouldn't be a surprise then if he was the natural source of this straightforwardness in Gintoki, especially when the latter has always been defined as an empty person.

Takasugi and Gintoki are opposites who complete each other, to the point that even outsiders who only briefly meet them together no longer cared about how one of them was a terrorist. One way of seeing it is Takasugi represents the strong, unrelenting humanity that Gintoki realized he loved and wanted to live for, and Gintoki represents the impossibly white soul that the outcast Takasugi found as a place to belong to.

It was important for them to find each other: for Gintoki to realize he wasn't empty and was always capable of emotions, and for Takasugi to realize he wasn't wrong for who he was which the world made him feel.

It's why their life-defining events most often involve the other: Takasugi's laughter was a pivotal point in Gintoki's life where he finally grasped a real reason to fight in his empty everyday, while Gintoki's tears was a pivotal point in Takasugi's life which forced Takasugi to face his biggest enemy: himself.

Ironically enough, their ways of living now could even be said to be a a reflection of their love for each other: Gintoki facing the present because he loved that part of Takasugi and wants to be in the present with him, and Takasugi facing the past to feel closer to Gintoki who is obviously incomplete without the emotions of his past.

Naturally, there is no present without the past, and it feels like Takasugi decided to live in the past to represent it for Gintoki (but probably more because he's too scared to face the present because of his self-hatred and blame, but to be fair Gintoki is afraid of facing the past too even though he should). It's why I liked that the story ended strongly with Takasugi's death, because its impact really conveyed how there was someone who was always chasing Gintoki's entirety - he definitely had a place in someone's heart. He would still be loved no matter what, even if he always felt he was a monster different from others for how he grew up and thus would never properly have a place to belong.

You can see I really, really love Takasugi... From inference and parallels alone, Takasugi has always demonstrated so much importance to the narrative, but it's never laid out beyond how he's the one who lost himself and now has to redeem himself.

Gintama feels like a story about the two of them, not just Gintoki. Especially if Takasugi was the one who originated Gintoki's straightforward way of living, and given how Takasugi seems to literally be the human sword Shouyou prophecized to cut down Utsuro in the end.

It's really because Gintoki avoids thinking about the past and Takasugi hates himself for his emotions that we have to infer how much these two affected each other... But I do enjoy things not being shoved in my face, the avoidance really makes it a lot more emotional.

#gintama #gintoki sakata #sakata gintoki #shinsuke takasugi #takasugi shinsuke #takagin #gintaka #lmao the way writing this made me realize i completely misinterpreted a line and had a very very wrong idea of gintoki from there #i thought shouyou was the only one who made him the way he is today and that's why i misinterpreted gintoki's character #the scene of takasugi laughing feels so so important to understanding gintoki's character i swear #gintoki felt like a robot who was sticking to shouyou's teachings until he got somewhere before this #but now he feels like a loving person with a cruel isolating past who's just trying his best to be happy

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