#i have to think about wyll actually

[collegeoflore]

sorry i have vampire the masquerade brain worms u can ignore this.

astarion is Obviously ventrue and as someone who grew up in a banite church i feel like xarrai should Also be ventrue but i feel like it would be insane to make them anything but toreador. but then i thought. maybe they are both ventrue trying to come off as toreador. absolutely the funniest shit on earth to imagine two different ventrue trying very hard to make everyone think they’re toreadors for two different reasons. LOL yep definitely here in the pursuit of beauty don’t mind me… :)

#anyway i want astarion to diablerize cazador :) #i mean that’s more or less what he does in the ascendant ending but i want it vtm style #also: gale is tremere karlach is brujah shadowheart is la sombra #lae’zel is… maybe also brujah? #halsin is gangrel…. #honestly halsin is probably just not kindred but gangrel halsin is fun to think abt #i have to think about wyll actually #tho i’m tempted to say toreador for no reason other than they are my favorite and it does suit his romantic streak…. #could also kinda see ventrue wyll? #i haven’t seen enough minthara to diagnose her with a clan LOL #withers is nos lmao #feel free to tell me if i’m wrong tgese are like all off the cuff and i’m a filthy vtmb fan to my core so like. my wider knowledge is a #little limited #OH HM MALKAVIAN XARRAI WOULD WORK… #one of those malks u look at and think “’but ur like fine?’ until they r Not #titus reed vibes if anyone listened to port saga (i haven’t listened to season 2 yet lol)

[voltaical-art]

part twooo!!! less sad on this one :)

#bg3 #baldur's gate 3 #wyll ravengard #tav #comic #voltaical ocs #bishop #well i kinda ran out of steam on this one #but i still like how it turned out :) #will bishop ever explicitly tell wyll how he feels? probably not he will continue just being affectionate and hope he gets the hint #so wild having ocs that i'm not planning long form comics for so i can literally just make comics for whatever scenario im thinking about #crazy if you want to make comics you actually just have to do it LMAO

[the-magpie-collective]

I don't really think Wyll qualifies as a member of the nobility.

(For clarity, I will be using nobles/nobility, gentry, and patriars interchangeably. The term patriar is Baldur's Gate specific.)

Wyll isn't a patriar. His father is the son of a blacksmith. We don't really get a clear explanation of what it takes to be considered nobility in Baldur's Gate (if you have a source that details this please please share) but we do know what it takes to be considered nobility historically.

First, what is required for one to be considered a noble? Generally speaking nobles are usually landed or titled or both. These are pretty straightforward terms. Landed means that a person owns land. Historically, owning land was not as easy as it is today. It also wasn't very clear cut. Depending on the location owning land could be a super huge deal. Not only did it require lots of money, but it also often required extensive connections. In some places if you weren't the reigning Monarch it was illegal to make any kind claim to land. (chop your head off kinds of illegal).

Is it possible Wyll's father owned land even while Wyll was growing up? I think it's extremely unlikely. While Ulder Ravengard did rise through the ranks of the Fist quickly and was therefore a respected member of the upper brass, he probably wasn't rich enough to buy land within Baldur's Gate and he is described as “lacking sophistication and tact” when it comes to matters of politics. Would he have managed to create the connections necessary to even be allowed to buy land? Doubtful.

The other option is being titled. Simple enough, it means someone possesses a noble title. Most titles are inheritable, but 'Duke' is not an inheritable title in Baldur's Gate. Dukes are elected by the Parliament of Peers.

A quick aside to explain how the government works in Baldur's Gate. Baldur's Gate is controlled by the Council of Four: four elected Dukes whose votes are what allow policy to pass into law. The Grand Duke is able to decide in the case of a tie-breaker being necessary. The Dukes are elected by the Parliament of Peers, those seats are held by patriars. There is one sort of exception. One of the positions of Duke is traditionally held by the head of the Flaming Fist, i.e. the Marshall. The Marshall of the Flaming Fist still has to be elected to Duke, they don't just get that position automatically, but most people don't like to go against tradition. (Though I've seen some sources point at Ulder Ravengard's not being immediately elected Duke? And it was tied to him not being a patriar/well liked? I haven't been able to find which DnD source book this comes from yet grrrr so I can't confirm)

So Wyll's father is likely elected Duke after Abdel Adrian's assassination (see previous post) on Returning Day in 1482 DR. Baldur's Gate takes place in 1492 DR, when Wyll is 24. So yeah, some quick math and Wyll wasn't the son of a Duke until he was around 14. He's banished at the age of 17. A grand total of three years where he has some political standing.

But Wyll was the son of a military man his entire life. A man who was known for being extremely strict. A man who often had to travel for his work. A man who, in spite of his best efforts, was distant from his son. Yeah.

Wyll's not a noble. Wyll is a military brat.

#I have more in depth researched posts in the works #but here have a quick thought #I like to think about the potential dichotomy of Wyll not really fitting in either world whether noble or commoner #could explain why no one really recognizes him #(just kidding we all know that's actually because of poor writing) #bg3 #bg3 discourse #wyll ravengard #ulder ravengard #magpiediscourse

[wizardsimper]

Something that's been really bothering me is how good aligned characters are often seen as 'boring' simply because they're good, all while every other part of their character is completely ignored.

A character's complexity shouldn't aligned with their morals, rather their relationship to them and others they share their story with.

#yes this post is about wyll #and maybe halsin as well #i haven't seen it as much on here #but reddit is so bad for this #“oh they're too good i think theyre boring” #i understand both characters are woefully underdeveloped conpared to their counterparts #but if you actually paid attention to them you will find that they do have a personality beyond being “good” #sorry for the rant #but ive been thinking about it alot lately #bg3 #baldur's gate 3 #wyll ravengard #halsin

[bhaalrespawn]

you know i fully joke about wanting gortash romance to be real but i am going to be So honest when i say i truly do not want it to be put in the game lmao. and honestly if the franc letter was taken out for that reason, it only reinforces that for me because it kind of just makes me realize how soulless and pandering it will probably feel if some of the other changes are anything to go by. let the man be an absolute freak who loves any man willing to birth a little more slithering, wet malice into the world by putting his weapons in groping, willing fingers smh.

(i also need to be so honest when i say i think either it would need to be durge-locked or be So significantly different for a durge vs. other characters for a romance to work lmao)

#peartree-gate #im genuinely super upset about this lmao ik its fully inconsequential in the grand scheme of things but it was So unnecessary #there is no reason to change some of the shit theyve been changing #when they could be doing the shit that is Actually an issue like fixing how little content wyll has compared to other origin characters 🥴 #i was gonna put the durgelocked bit in the tags but i think its pertinent to the main point im making #about it feeling like pandering if it isnt 🙏 #i have many thoughts and feelings about gortash sorry #gortash #durgetash

[wyllsravengard]

i love and miss baldurs gate so much but every time i remember how the fandom and writing team treats wyll i simply dont want to think about it anymore. like i shouldnt be surprised because this is a dnd video game but it's crazy how far people are willing to go to pretend all of it is not racism. wyll is too boring and yet halsin (who is even more boring mind you) gets more attention then him in fan content, same with rolan and dammon and all other side characters in the game. he's never in anything promotional and it's pretty clear at this point the writers are Not Going to fix it. i love wyll so much i literally want to eat him alive but the wave of frustration i experience every Single Time i think of bg3 does not feel good

#like. rdr2 fandom is a rockstar game and certainly they are not absolved from racism #but because its been years since release the fandom is smaller and it is so far less common #but additionally the base game for the most part handles its racism very well #and this is me. Mean Hater Bitch. saying this and rockstar who focuses on satire #so many people are just so blatantly racist to wyll and they go so far as to HARASS people who talk about him #and this is not like esp shocking. anime fandom is also horrendous about this! #but in a game and in a fandom that CLAIMS to promote diversity as it has queer characters you would think there would be more. idk. #actual care and perception put into their one black lead. i know i talk about it Everyday but its like. so bad like worse than i have seen #in recent years for video game fandoms like. christ alive #z.gen #larian critical

[pennamepersona]

the thing that finally let me understand wyll was seeing a couple posts about how he's like. unfazed in the beginning. this is normal to him

very "the day you were taken by the nautiloid was the worst day of your life. for the blade of frontiers, it was tuesday"

#bg3 #bg3 wyll #he really did get off the ship and then saunter over to the nearest place that needed saving #oh i was abducted by mindflayers? eh time to teach these kids how to hold a sword #and also to believe in themselves #the thing about wyll for me is that i accidentally didn't recruit him right away #straight up just missed him. got distracted by zevlor and that merc asshole #and in my first run i was very task oriented so i missed karlach as well #fully got through the whole thing up to the party in like 8 hours #then learned it should've taken me more like 30 #oh also didn't get lae'zel til the end of the act either #so wyll and lae'zel both took a backseat #i did hang out with karlach ill admit to that #partly bc her vibes are immaculate from day 1 and partly bc it was shadowheart astarion gale and me (cleric) for ages #do you have any idea how fucking incredible a barbarian feels when you've been living with 3 casters and a rogue #anyway sorry for thinking you were normal and kinda boring lawful good wyll #didn't realize that actually you're unhinged and have absolutely no point of reference for regular behaviors

[silver-horse]

wait... they said that Wyll wants to kill Karlach in this new rewritten story. What if... they just replaced paladin Anders with Wyll? Because he was the one trying to kill Karlach during early access. And we had to choose, either kill one or the other... oh no.😲

I don’t think the rewrites were a last minute idea because Wyll already gave approval if we sided with Anders. (I have a recording from patch 7 where Wyll approved, that was an entire year ago. And that’s just when I recorded it, it was probably in the game earlier. Wyll was always against Karlach.) What if the paladin was just a placeholder character because they didn’t want to reveal something this big?  Wyll might be the one who will ask us to kill Karlach or maybe he will know the group (like they are friends or something) so anyway... could it be a choice between Karlach and Wyll??

#I hope not #but #in any case I am very curious how this will play out... #Karlach #Baldur's Gate 3 #Wyll #was always a bit of an oddity next to the other 4 companions because there was nothing truly really bad about him... and #remember how in the beginning they said they added the evil companions to early access because they wanted to see what people think of them? #BG3 #bg3 mine #my post #my posts #paladin Anders #text post #textposts #anyway last minute rewrites are odd in the first place... I am highly suspicious that actually it's just something they didn't want to show #not to mention that oathbreaker paladin of justice guy is just a straight up reference with his sword of justice #sure a minor character might be a reference and he could still have his own motives and character #on the other hand maybe he was never meant to be the main guy here that's why he is such a knock off

[zeroducks-2]

Baldur's Gate 3 Ending Spoilers Ahead :)

Okay why The Fuck can't we have a romance ending with the Emperor. Why THE FUCK NOT. WHY. THIS IS UNFAIR. LARIAN YOU ALLOWED ME TO FUCK THE GUY, YOU ALLOWED ME TO TRUST HIM AND BE THERE FOR HIM AND TURN INTO A MINDFLAYER MYSELF, AND THEN I CAN'T HAVE A ROMANCE ENDING? THE FUCK???

#okay the fact that he basically goes 'do your thing and I'll be waiting for you for as long as it takes' is sweet but #BUT #I TURNED INTO AN ILLITHID TO SAVE HIS STUPID TENTACLY ASS #(and not to have to kill Lae'zel either) #I LITERALLY TOOK THE BURDEN UPON MYSELF FOR THOSE TWO IDIOTS AND BECAME SQUID #I did all that PLUS I forsook my romance with Lae'zel and then the game fucking ends with A LETTER? #NOT EVEN AN IN-PERSON GOODBYE? #LARIAN??? HELLOOOO? #I had a whole sequence of Karlach going to Avernus with Wyll which don't get me wrong I'm glad she's fine! #I was so scared she was going to die! #but why is that the only cutscene I get #nothing about the other characters and most of all NOTHING ABOUT THE EMPEROR #the narrator goes 'you won't have to face this burden alone anymore' and my shippy ass was already smiling ear to ear #thinking 'cause I'll be with the Emperor right' #'I'll be with the Emperor right...?' #and then cuts to black. what the fuck. What the actual fuck. #Larian you buffoons shouldn't have let me have sex with him if you didn't have a romance ending. No I'm serious I feel scammed #'Zero are you really complaining about not having a romance ending with the tentacle fucking thing' YES #YES DO YOU KNOW ME YES HE'S THE BEST CHARACTER IN THAT GAME

[deer-with-a-stick]

I think someone should just throw all of the BG3 companions into Dungeon of the Mad Mage. Just take the post-canon generally considered "good" endings and throw em in there.

Why? Because it would be hilarious to me and also that's like the one official module that goes up to level 20.

I won't lie and say the only thing I can think of is the team trying to kill an angry mechanical purple worm while screeching at Gale because "what do you mean we're in Waterdeep and you know the bastard who owns this death trap?? I was perfectly alright in the damn Underdark thank you very much I did not sign up for this"

#my vampire companion has been dead for possibly over 200 years #and we would like to revive him please #sometimes i think of the fact that gale knows halaster blackcloak personally and cackle to myself #you know what's also a fun thing to think about #cleric capstone is basically you've got a deity speed-dial for your needs #to not mention true resurrection in GENERAL #or WISH #gale realizing that he's fairly close to the power level of a chosen of mystra now like :0 #karlach is probably like “HELL YEAH I CAN HIT MORE THINGS” while being extra stronk #i thought the idea of monster hunter ranger wyll or something along those lines was compelling so he gets to speed run his level ups #lae'zel angrily hacking away at enemies like “FUCKING DAMN IT I HAVE A REVOLUTION TO GET BACK TO GET OUT OF MY WAY” #tara mysteriously being utterly unhampered by the teleportation restrictions like “quite a kerfuffle you've found yourself in mr. dekarios” #halsin gets to live as a bear 24/7 with druid capstone #astarion would like to make sure his gaggle of vampire spawn don't kill anyone but also the promise of Stab and Feral are highly compelling #if minthara's here she's just vibing. blood guts and gore. her favorite. now stop wasting her time and let her kill you #someone should give lae'zel a gun even if so she can reenact that 200+ damage in one round event with percy de rolo #lae'zel deserves a gun #so does shadowheart and karlach #if i gave gale wyll and astarion a gun i think the recoil would kill them actually #str 8 gang lmfao #baldur's gate 3 #bg3 #baldur's gate three #bg3 spoilers #gale of waterdeep #bg3 gale #astarion #bg3 wyll #wyll ravengard #karlach bg3

[vigilskeep]

im only saying this because i cant get back to sleep but i kind of think that the exile and jaheira. i mean he’s not taken yet. he is a completely free man at the present minute, is all i’m saying. and they are in a perfectly good inn. together. i’m pointing it out. and his notable thing for hero types. which could mean nothing. end post

#sorry for acting this way i just think that she um. well. i shall not speak #this is probably going to send me later when she starts doing a wise mentor bit #but in my defence they are like. almost certainly roughly the same age this is actually the non age gap pairing for him #the exile #i cannot act normal whenever she’s on screen it’s kind of unbearable. sorry again #i think wyll would have a conniption about this specifically later and it would be really funny is my other motive #he’s like ‘i wont judge you for any of yWITH WHO??? WHEN???’

[forcedhesitation]

I love that the bg3 guys are all written to have this intense adoration of karlach and lae’zel’s abilities to absolutely eviscerate their enemies. they’ve all got the same taste in women, which is “she could gut the big scary man chasing me, and then princess carry me to safety in her blood spattered arms.” and I respect and relate to that, as a bisexual man myself.

#bg3 #thoughts about media #I actually love all combinations between any of the guys and lae or karlach. all very good pairings. #honestly hard to choose a fave... but I do quite like wyll & lae and star & karlach. #idk. something about a guy exiled by his own father and then alienated by fiend’s blood with a girl entirely outcast by her people. #in both cases they are punished despite doing the right thing all because they questioned someone of a lawful alignment. #and then star and karlach... both stripped of their autonomy and treated as nothing but a means to an end... #and the unique romance cutscenes they can get with each other!! actually so sweet. #but don’t get me wrong. I still do love all the other combos too. #and it goes without saying that lae & karlach is a great pair too. nothing like a warrior’s bond. #meanwhile my approval the m/m ships is...well. limited. #I love wyll & star together. I like gale & wyll. I am okay with halsin & any of the boys...but he has to be written better. #and by better I mean give him a little more character and make it less about sex only. because the game largely reduces him to sex alone. #no shart mention because I never take her anywhere unless I have to. #sorry. I do not hate her but she just isn’t interesting to me. #and although there’s writing to acknowledge shartstarion as a possible pair. #I think it’s the worst companion/companion pair and I refuse to think about it. #I mean seriously. it’s a combination of two polyamorous bisexuals and yet the pair feels heterosexual. #please don’t to that to my darling vampire. let him be princess carried by the hot warrior gals.

[bhaalsdeepbat]

i'm SO down bad for durge/wyll where they both are each other's support through trying to be more than their patron's pet

#bat plays bg3 #wyll #durge #i uh may make a durge just for him bc #i have a LOT of feelings about durge who #was the WORST person ever #then after being lobotomized comes back trying to be the goodest boi #and falls in love with wyll and karlach bc ot3 #but durge who is a people pleaser #and trying to figure out if they're actually good or just trying to be what will keep wyll around #it's the former but #identity crisis is just so fun to think about #and then wyll who cannot see the worst in durge #even when it's laid out in front of him #and like durge very viciously going after mizora for him #and who often asks wyll abt his dad and how he wants that reunion to go #and when it happens just #quietly watching w hackles raised making sure it happens the way wyll wants it to #they're ulder's worst nightmare #bc even though they are the goodest they can still be VERY duplicitous #they would start petty squabbles and enjoy the drama with a little giggle #like that cult leader charisma would come in clutch dealing w high society #and i could see a good resist durge doing petty manipulative shit so those gatherings would be entertaining when they're necessary to atten #bc after coming back from the hells with karlach fixed #i imagine wyll and durge would visit ulder regularly between whatever heroic shit they're off doing with mama k

[felixcarlucci]

is this new dialogue or have i just somehow never triggered it before? but also, what the hell, gale

#i know it's a big point of contention but i have to say i do prefer wyll with his horns #i just. idk. i do wish it was better executed #i like the mods that give him pointy ears i wish the game committed to a full devil look #(maybe even give him wings! idk!) #but what really annoys me is the dialogue where wyll talks about 'you don't want a devil at your party' #and you don't have special dialogue as a tiefling to be like. idk. 'people call me a devil too' #or as a non-tiefling to point out. it's a party of tieflings. skjndfk. #idk i just wish you could be more comforting or outright just like It's just horns. it's fine #since it literally is just horns #i think the whole 'devil' thing would be justified if his appearance was actually more altered in game #anyway this just feels so mean for gale to say. idk. or am i just overprotective of wyll

[swordmaid]

for me… FOR ME..!!! and for shri’iia specifically the lock in for astarion’s romance is his graveyard scene in act 3.

i think it is too quick for shri’iia to be moving on to another relationship considering her previous one was with her mistress who essentially groomed and isolated her for like … more than hundred years. learning to chase her own desires and not moulding herself to what anyone wants her to be is something so new to her…!!! and something that she’s still learning how to be comfortable with….

and what I like abt romancing astarion with her is that I usually go for the dialogue path in his act 2 confession scene where you can ask him:

- what do YOU want to do?

and he goes like honestly idk what we’re doing but /this/ is nice. it just feels like two people exploring the option to love for the first time and taking things in their own pace rather than jumping straight into the relationship. they’re going at a snails pace… they don’t know what they’re doing but they like this feeling and the vibe and they want to more of it but they’re not ready to commit to anything yet and it’s fine for them …!! and they’re only committing by the end in the graveyard scene where significant time has passed and they’ve learnt a little more about themselves and they’re both more confident about their own desires and also how they want to be loved.

like it is so fitting I think… and sweet… not to mention astarion being a high elf & a vampire and shri’iia being a drow, they have all the time of the world for themselves so I def think they would want to take their time. except if shri’iia turns into a mindflayer or drider by the end then that plan is out the window lol

#now I’m thinking who else I can romance with her .. maybe lae’zel ?? #since the thing with her is that she doesn’t get vulnerable in act 1 so the scenes where the romances #are kind of heart to hearts like shadowheart’s or karlach’s (😭😭😭) is out of the question since it doesn’t fit her … #like she’d rather sleep with someone first than actually get to know them 😭 hence astarion and lae’zel … #gale and wyll… I am hmmm about it on one hand her approval with wyll in act 1 is not even high enough 😭😭 #and I don’t think she can be sweet enough to chase after him in the party .. she was kind of like ok fine whatever when he said he’s not in #the mood … gale I think can be a contender .. I actually don’t know how his route goes so I’m not sure abt that … #but the thing is … she gets vulnerable LATER ..!! and why astarion’s romance work for her is i hc after their act 2 scene #they’re just in a situationship rather than actual relationship … like they’re dating (yes!) but also dating (hmmmm) #and it’s only in his last scene where they both lock in bc I think that’s enough time for her to process her OWN trauma and also for her #own character development … like she has to learn how to trust (ack!!!!) which is the thing that you don’t do when you’re raised in lolth’s #cult …. and her mistress manipulated her trust too so it’s even more nerve wracking for her bc she doesn’t want someone to have that power #over her again .. but now she has to learn how to give it away freely … without being scared … bites my hand …!!!! #and astarion graveyard scene where he wants to live again vs shri’iia learning how to trust again and trying to live without the fear of #someone betraying you and using you and the paranoia that comes with it … urck urgh goughhhhhh critical hit … #also I have a hc that she actually is quite good at making poisons since her mother sold alchemy herbs and components #and she gives him poison as a courting gift lol .. also like a way to protect him 🤭 but she won’t admit that … she’s like if you want it #take it if you don’t idc 🤷‍♀️ (she does..) i hc that she gets flustered at sincerity actually #their relationship for me is like they’re both two little shits and a general menace to society (both charlatans) #but if they had to hold hands she’d get too flustered too and he’s like honestly what are you a child? (smug face making fun of her) #I have this little comic idea for them when they held hands for the first time and she’s like ouggghhh 😳😮‍💨 flustered and sweating and he’s #like hihi 🤭😎 but then their hands starts to get sweaty and then he’s like ew that’s disgusting and she’s like ok if u hate it let go then #and he’s like no YOU let go 🙄 but they don’t let go now they have to suffer through the sweaty hand holding alas such is fate …

[sun-marie]

Hmm, so I just found something super interesting. In my current playthrough I got Wyll's dance scene with Ruathym without romancing him and had to decline (again 😭), but then when I talked to him next the game bugged out and froze, like they were in conversation. The only way to unfreeze was to 'skip' with spacebar, at which point the convo popped up and Wyll said "The Blade of Frontiers, at your calling."

Then I went into the dialogue history in the Journal and found they had this exchange 👀

Wyll, Ruathym Wyll: I'm sorry. I might have come on a little strong with the dance invitation. Wyll: I was imagining my younger days, prancing about without a care in the world. Wyll: We may never be dance partners. But we have fellowship, and I wouldn't trade that for all the gold in the Counting House. Wyll: Well - that's enough sentiment for one day. What did you need? Wyll: The Blade of Frontiers, at your calling. Ruathym: Leave.

And so I guess Wyll did get some content from Patch 4 👀 And like, even if it's bugged, this is such a welcome surprise, not only because now it feels like there's actual closure between the two of them and generally no hard feelings (which makes me feel better bc I hate having to turn Wyll down 🥺), it also may be a sign that Larian is hearing us ask for more content for Wyll! And even if it's something small like this, that has me super excited.

#would be nice if it wasn't bugged but! it's a step in the right direction I think #and like even larian's favorite little vamp man is bugged right now so I doubt it's personal lol #idk why but I've triggered this scene every playthrough I've had and I've never pursued it #and having them actually talk about it and move on is sooo much better than just imagining him being embarrassed for the rest of the game #bg3 #wyll ravengard #marie speaks