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Subtype Trait Structures: so4

Imaginative and Creative

The emotional, sensitive, and introspective aspect allows you to more easily access your creative and imaginative side. From an early age, he likes to console himself and entertain himself in fantastic and dreamlike worlds in which his imagination allows him to compensate for the great inhibition he feels in real life. This imaginary world that he has created and in which he somehow believes will be able to materialize in the future, serves him to metabolize everyday reality. Poetry, art, and music become channels of expression to the outside.

Sensible

Low self-esteem and the need to defend yourself from others lead you to reject criticism or behaviors that challenge you. Their gaze perpetually directed to the outside world and the continuous comparison he makes with himself lead him to give a subjective reading and interpretation of what happens; the slightest criticism annihilates him, he feels that he has given a lot, more than the others, he finds himself again without recognition. In addition, since it is difficult for him to express his opinion directly for fear of being hurt or conflicted, he expects the same from others (understanding, empathy).

Romantic

For this character, life is hard, difficult and sad, but it is characterized by a romantic feeling inside. Thanks to his romanticism, the world becomes lighter and more bearable, it is as if he added a note or a touch of color to so much pain. The romantic vision that he harbors within him is expressed in the world through poetry, music, and the search for positive living situations and opportunities. It is as if he did not resign himself to the harsh reality through his romantic aspect. It is as if through romance he sweetened a bitter pill.

Passive-Aggressive and Self-Destructive

He is not allowed to express anger, he always represses hatred. Showing hatred for his mother (or father) would be tantamount to losing her, something no child could afford. So he learned to repress his hatred and swallow it, he began to hate himself believing himself defective, unworthy of love, guilty of not being loved, in order to save his mother. The parental anger you experienced in childhood is too destructive and distressing.

Introspective

The closure, the isolation in which he takes refuge as a child, and in which he grows up, somehow leads him to spend a lot of time in contact with himself, listening to and analyzing himself, doing with himself what no one did when he was a child. Pain and contact with suffering continually stimulate him to study himself and to investigate his inner dynamics. He longs to get out of his suffering and has to continually face it, but he does not believe that this can be done by acting or making decisions in his own life. Instead, he prefers an interior movement of study and analysis of how he is, what he feels and why.

Reserved

He is extremely private, and only talks about himself and his intimate experience with very few people, as he does not trust others to understand him. Since childhood he has experienced not being understood, not being seen, having the feeling that no one is aware of his needs, and therefore, as an adult, he has no faith that there is someone who can understand him deeply.

Feminine

Delicate, sweet, and languid. It poses in a delicate and tender way, and therefore also in the masculine social E4, the characteristics of listening, welcoming, understanding, caring, as well as a friendly physiognomy in which the smile, a manifestation of benevolence towards the world, is always insisted as a background note. There is no trace of aggressiveness or attack in him, but of sweetness and tenderness.

Gentle

He is always kind, expresses himself in soft ways and approaches, as he wants to avoid conflicts and losses. Use kindness to please the other, try to avoid behaviors that can provoke or irritate. She has learned to stand on her toes in the world, to try to prevent or avoid the parent's mood swings or attacks, and thus has learned since childhood that this soft way is what works best for her in the relationship.

Comprehensive

Willing to understand the motives of others, strong empathy combined with fear of abandonment and conflict makes you lenient and benevolent towards the motives and reasons of others. He tends to put himself in the place of the other, he justifies his actions even in situations in which he is humiliated or is not seen, he has difficulties with separation, as well as in primary relationships. From a young age he learns that it is better not to express his opinion or clearly what he wants because this creates a distance with his parents. Thus he learns to understand them, to justify them.

Lazy and Procrastinator

You are recalcitrant about committing and lazy about getting a task done. He tends to postpone his execution because he always feels that he is not up to the task and very often he believes that he is incapable or that he does not do it to the best of his ability. Fear of failure paralyzes you. Obviously, this is closely related to low self-esteem and lack of confidence in their own abilities. No one ever believed in him; as a child he was not only not encouraged, but which, on the contrary, was devalued. His procrastination is linked to the need to do things as perfectly as possible, even beyond. He does not admit mistakes to himself and this requires him in the actions that he then undertakes enormous energy to complete the task.

Criticism and Self-Disqualification

He is critical and disqualifying both with himself and with others. He tends to be critical of himself because it is the experience he has had. It has been heavily criticized, disqualified. To the extent that he compares himself with others and in order not to be completely annihilated by the superiority of others, he tends to have a critical look and to express, not directly, disapproval, negative judgments about the other, his way of being, or to work. So the criticism of the other is born of an attempt to survive, not to be completely crushed by the comparison with the outside world.

Sadness and Suffering

He is sad and suffers from a young age, even before he is aware of it; when he becomes an adult he continues to drag this suffering, since he remains attached to that need to receive that has never been satisfied. His attention does not shift, he does not find compensation in life because it is as if he is still waiting for that love. There is a part of him that is obstinate in not wanting to give her up and that is why he does not learn to give himself the love that he did not receive in childhood. Thus, love becomes something sublime, inaccessible, almost impossible to find and experience.

Proud

He reacts superbly to an offense and a wound, in the sense that in order to defend himself he creates a distance with the other, or he even leaves, separates, becomes cold and distant. He does not back down, he resists his suffering without showing it and confuses pride with strength, he has the illusion that through pride he can protect himself. It retriggers the wound in the same way that it hurts the most.

Shy

You like to be social and need others, but you tend to hide and find it difficult to expose yourself, especially in a new and wide social context. Shyness is due to an excessive concern for the judgment of others, the perception of being inferior to others and a feeling of inadequacy. From a very young age he experiences the weight of being judged, often being asked to be different than he was or to better fit the context. You develop an excessive tendency to focus on your inner world of thoughts, emotions, and behavior.

Pessimistic and Distrustful

You perceive the world as dangerous and unpredictable, so you tend to always see the negative side of things and situations. Through his pessimism he believes he can anticipate and control the pain he will feel when something bad happens, because he is sure it will! He has no confidence in the course of events or even in himself, this becomes functional to remain passive and withdrawn, and at the same time to be able to complain and suffer.

Insecure

He has the constant doubt that his actions or words can lead to difficult or irremediable situations, and that they can lead him to disappoint the other and be abandoned by him; this, of course, makes him very insecure. As a child, the father corrected his actions a lot or even criticized him often, which made him insecure and hesitant, especially when it came to taking the initiative or acting instinctively.

Complain and Claim

He complains about small things, he is impatient. Need to continually express and externalize dissatisfaction (I'm hungry, I'm thirsty, I'm bored). Through the complaint he seeks attention and confirmation that another is available and sees him. Complaining is also their way of feeling the other person is present in the relationship, it is a bit like a thermometer to check that they are always there, that they have not gone away. However, in situations where he is really hurt or has a real deep need, he tends to withdraw and not share, because he thinks that no one will be able to help him. The emptiness and anguish he feels are indescribable; he doesn't feel like he can trust anyone, he distrusts others and life so much that he thinks that no one can really help him in the face of so much pain (and, above all, that there is nothing he can do to stop it). It is as if he were desperate, exhausted. He also feels shame wash over him; showing yourself in such pain in front of the other person makes you feel enormous shame and E4 feels even more miserable.

Silence

It is silent, it tends not to make noise, not to be noticed, not to bother. To be accepted, one must not disturb the other, not disturb one's own mother, and for this reason, as an adult, one tends to be silent, not to interfere with the atmosphere of the environment, not to be seen by the other.

Altruistic and Helpful

Being helpful and helping arises in the subject from the idea that love must be deserved, that it is not free. He has learned that in order to be loved, he must earn that love in some way and that is why, when something is asked of him, he spontaneously puts himself at the service of the other person. In addition, he has experienced the feeling of need and, therefore, it is as if he somehow knows from within the feeling of the one who needs help, and being clearly empathetic, it is automatic for him to go to the other. Finally, we must add to tell him that he finds it difficult not to do someone's request. Backing away makes him uncomfortable; when he does, he feels that he is in danger of losing something, perhaps of losing the other person or of being abandoned.

Hypersensitive

It is extremely sensitive to loud noises, raised tones of voice, and sudden gestures. It is as if he had developed in his existence a sense of constant danger, as if he was constantly on the alert when exposed to the danger of being attacked and therefore reacts with jerks. Sometimes even with excessive vocal emissions in reaction to environmental stimuli that may arise suddenly.

Jealous

He is jealous of his partner, but he can also be jealous of other beings he loves, even friends. His jealousy comes from the fear that someone else will be preferred over him, since that is the experience he had as a child, when he felt ignored compared to his brothers. Furthermore, this fear is made even more vivid by the fact that he has developed a lack of self-confidence and is therefore convinced that another person can be much more interesting than he is in the eyes of his beloved.

Empathic

He has a great ability to put himself in another's place, to live his emotional experience. This attitude is supported by his sensitivity and emotionality. In addition, empathizing with others allows you to feel useful in the relationship. Empathy unites the other and removes the feeling of guilt for not intervening or helping.

Source: PDB Wiki

#personality theory #personality types #typology #enneagram #enneagram subtypes #instinctual variants #enneagram 4 #type 4 #4w3 #4w5 #so4 #infj #infp

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poppyfall19 · 5 months

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SO4 In Nagito Komaeda (Character Analysis Using Enneagram)

E4 is in the heart triad and it’s basic fear would be them having “no identity or personal significance.” Their basic desire would be to “find themselves and their significance.” E4’s motivations come from wanting to find a deeper meaning/significance. E4 is often thought of as manifesting in the form of being an artsy individual--creating art as a way to express yourself and convey deeper meanings or things significant to yourself.

In Nagito, this presents as him making his core motivation being to inspire what's most important to him: hope.

The SO sub-type focuses on where they stand in a group. E4 being a type that focuses heavily on “deeper meaning” or “significance” would present in the social subtext through trying to achieve their greater significance by helping the group achieve it.

In Nagito, SO4 manifests in his desire to be a “stepping stone for the ultimates/hope.” Nagito deems himself as worthless, a synonym for worthless being hopeless, and the ultimates as extremely hopeful. Nagito, believing that he cannot inspire hope himself, puts all his focus into helping those he believes can inspire hope.

My friend, @nighttttfe, describes it as an "superiority-inferiority complex." He's not as good as those who inspire hope but he's still better than everyone else because he's a stepping stone for hope. Also in the words of my friend, this can be compared to "bragging about being the servant of the richest man in the world" and Nagito literally takes on the title of "servant" in UDG while working for the warriors of the hope.

Nagito's identity and purpose comes from making those around him achieve his hope agenda for him. He is selfish and worthless simultaneously. He's worthless because he cannot achieve hope but selfish because he demands that others achieve hope so that he can witness it and if they don't meet his demands, they're worthless.

#nagito komaeda #enneagram #enneagram 4 #so4 #social 4 #character analysis

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legiongamerrd · 1 year

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#Gamefemerides Hace 14 años fue lanzado @staroceangame : The Last Hope. Es un RPG de acción desarrollado por tri-Ace y publicado por @squareenixlatam , originalmente para el @xbox 360. Es la IV entrega de la serie Star Ocean. Famitsu reveló que el sistema de batalla tendría cuatro miembros, y estaría más orientado a combatir en grupo. #LegionGamerRD #ElGamingnosune #Gaming #RetroGaming #RetroGamer #CulturaGaming #CulturaGamer #GamingHistory #GamerDominicano #Podcast #triAce #SquareEnix #StarOcean #StarOceanTheLastHopeInternational #StarOceanTheLastHope #StarOcean4 #SO4 #Microsoft #Xbox #Xbox360 #PlayStation #PS3 #PS4 #Windows #Steam #JRPG #ARPG #RPG https://www.instagram.com/p/CpC1qsfvCW_/?igshid=NGJjMDIxMWI=

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shameful4 · 2 months

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i hate how obviously desperate i am for love sometimes. like it leaks into every part of me

#so4 specifically #every minute every second every moment of my life i am trying to be charming and likeable . which is crazy bc if e4 wants to be loved #for who they are. this is kind of counter intuitive isnt it LMAOOO

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sittingdiastolic · 3 months

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NO.

i’m an ENFJ 4w3.

I’M JUST EXTROVERTED NAGITO KOMAEDA.

#THIS WASN’T SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN #i always kinned hajime as a kid what went wrong #FWIW i think nagito is an so4 while i’m an sx4 #so take nagito and make him extroverted and angry and you have me #that’s fucked #danganronpa #nagito komaeda #myers briggs #enneagram

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cardiac-arresting-sweetheart · 3 months

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#literally the most SO4 song EVER #and therefore this song is extremely me #uhh.#tw suicide

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sezja · 6 months

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I am kissing the entire cast of Star Ocean: The Last Hope directly on the foreheads. All of them.

#bacchus get down here you will be kissed #i just love this entire cast so much #i think they're my favorite overall ensemble cast #peppita from so3 is my favorite character in the series.#laeticia is my favorite lead character by a landslide.#but in terms of the FULL CAST and how they interact with each other #it's really hard to beat so4

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daughterboy · 7 months

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studying typology is realizing everything thats wrong with you but it’s nice because at least youre not alone

#so4 + 3V/third will + primary Limbic #explodes

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dustbunnybell · 4 months

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The Enneagram 4 Subtypes Showcased by Characters in Naoki Urasawa's Monster

Dr. Kenzo Tenma: Self-preservation Four

This subtype internalizes suffering and feels emotions inside, but doesn’t share them with others. They are stoic and strong in the face of difficult feelings, and sometimes in response to a belief that, to be “loved,” they have to be tough or happy or endure pain alone. They are hardworking and action-oriented. They don’t always feel envy consciously, but instead work to prove themselves worthy. They tend to be more masochistic than melodramatic, and may look happy or “okay” on the outside while struggling to endure hardship on the inside without showing it. They are self-sufficient and autonomous, and try to heal the pain of the world, even if that entails exerting a lot of effort.

Johan Liebert: Sexual Four

Sexual Fours make others suffer as an unconscious way of trying to rid themselves of painful feelings of deficiency. In denying their suffering and being more shameless than shameful, they express their needs more and can be demanding of others. In seeking to be the best, they express envy in its manifestation as competition. They express “an envy that wants,” unconsciously turning their pain at inner lack into feelings of anger about not getting what they need from others.

Jaromír Lipský: Social Four

This subtype dwells more in suffering and communicates more about their painful emotions. They may tend to be overly sensitive and often appear sad. They express sensitivity, melancholy, and unhappiness more readily than the other Type 4 subtypes. They frequently compare themselves to others and then focus a great deal of attention on the emotional suffering they feel at seeing themselves as inferior to or less worthy than others. They remain convinced there’s something wrong with them, even in the face of evidence to the contrary.

Descriptions written by Beatrice Chestnut

#enneagram #enneagram four #sp4 #sx4 #so4 #monster #naoki urasawa's monster

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phlve · 2 years

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Naranjo Subtype Descriptions — 4

so4 / E4 Social: Shame

The contrasts between the types of character four are the most striking, since their different subtypes seem more differentiated than in the other passions. When I explain this topic in Spanish, I usually say that there are "sufferers, suffered and insufferable." The sufferers are the social fours.

The social E4 is a person who laments too much, is very tearful and often puts himself in the role of victim. In DSM-IV, a category of person given to self-sabotage is suggested. The characteristic pointed out by Ichazo for this character is shame, which descriptively seems to me to be a success but does not manage to describe a neurotic need. Certainly, these are people who undervalue themselves, and therefore feel less than others. But how do you explain why these people are so given to blaming themselves and comparing themselves unfavorably with others?

The answer, it seems to me, is found in what Melanie Klein called the depressive position, through which the child prefers to blame himself instead of venting his rage against the mother, whom he excessively needs. In a similar way, we can consider that the social E4 is one that prefers to swallow its own poison instead of externalizing it to loved ones; he has learned to introject his aggression in view of an exaggerated affective dependence.

sp4 / E4 Conservation: Tenacity

Different from "sufferer" (E4 social) and "insufferable" (E4 sexual) is what in Spanish is called "suffered", an expression that speaks of a capacity for self-frustration and endurance.

Instead of being an overly tearful person, the sufferer is one who does not complain and avoids crying in front of others, and who has learned to swallow a lot and bear pain without blinking.

How could we explain this in terms of motivation? What necessity can push a person to become a masochist? It's kind of like saying to a parent or loved one: "You see I'm not complaining? Do you love me now? You see what a good boy, what a good girl I am?"

The E4 conservation aims to make virtue of resistance to frustration. Many times I have explained it with an anecdote of Lawrence of Arabia, according to the famous film, which shows him in an office in Cairo lighting someone's cigarette and then putting out the match with his fingers. Someone asks him in surprise: "what are you doing?" And he explains that, in this way, he trains to endure pain. He had developed from childhood this supposed virtue of stoically bearing pain, and it surely served him during his exploits, which earned him the fame of a great hero, since not even among the Arabs had anyone been able to resist in such a way the harshness of the desert.

In E4 conservation, enduring is a passion, but how to explain it? I think the key is in the introjection of voracity. The visible envy that presents the sexual E4 as a demanding and insistent aggressive oral, here becomes a counter-envy directed against the person himself, now in the form of a self-demand that is also self-devouring.

sx4 / E4 Sexual: Hate

If the social E4 suffers more than the other subtypes by feeling guilty about any desire, the sexual E4 turns against shame by becoming shameless in order to give satisfaction to its intense desires. Therefore, even if it is embarrassing, it will knock on every possible door. He becomes insistent, even against frustrations, as if he thinks according to the saying that it is the baby that cries the most that nurses the best. The more I complain, the more I'm going to get, he seems to think. Only this strategy, which works well in childhood, no longer works so well in adult life. People who are too insistent, demanding, demanding, tend to be annoying and be rejected, and thus their vicious circle arises, in which rejection leads to protest and protest to rejection.

The name Ichazo gave to the characteristic passion of sexual E4 was hate, which is descriptively appropriate for these expressive people about their anger. But this may not sufficiently explain their motivation, so it seems better to talk about competition, or competitiveness.

We could characterize the envy of the sexual subtype as an aggressive oral envy, which bites. Psychoanalysis speaks of "cannibalistic" impulses. It is not only desired, but it is desired with anger. This is the sin of Cain - our predecessor: "I envy you and therefore I kill you." I envy the rich, and start a revolution. I envy your intellectual superiority, and for that I will cut off your head (then ... high!) And, when we talk about cutting off heads, we are talking about invalidation, contempt, the aggression that is expressed in the devaluation of the enviable - as in the case of the fox and the supposedly green grapes.

#personality theory #personality types #typology #enneagram #enneagram subtypes #instinctual variants #naranjo #enneagram 4 #4w3 #4w5 #so4 #sp4 #sx4

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fagofgod · 10 months

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i should be forcefully inserted back into Normal School. why are u studying ennea. again

#anyway. so4 is obv but fluctuating btwn secondary subtype rn #ennea posting #ughhhh

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m00n-pr1sm · 1 year

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Lena sp4 argument :3

I’ve been iffy on Lena’s enneagram for a while and had settled on sp1 (I was sure she was e1, just unsure on the subtype), however after growing my knowledge and reconsidering; I present you with my sp4 argument! I might throw in some points regarding MBTI & Jungian to reinforce my analysis too.

Part 1: Refuting E1

While E1 is a take I understand, after further analysis it doesn’t fit Lena beyond surface level traits such as perfectionism and self-criticism. We should first examine the 3 triads present in enneagram, being gut, heart, and head. The gut triad is the one that deals with Anger, with E1 in particular turning this anger into righteousness, they move against people. The head triad deals with fear, moving away from people; they retreat into their own head living in the world of ideas. Finally the heart triad is the one that deals with shame, with E4 being the one that is focused on their devalued image (unlike the pride of an E2 or vanity of an E3).

SP1 is a type that I think has been misinterpreted, SP1 is often described as a type that turns their anger into oneself, always striving for perfection, thus turning their anger into warmth. While this may be true, it’s still important to realize that SP1 is still an E1 (not even the countertype at that), they are still incredibly focused on outside standards, they merely mask their anger in contrast to the other subtypes. While yes Lena does fall into this, so much of her character is based on internal personal sentiments, rather than the external standards of perfection. While Lena does have strong morals she believes in, E1 should not be correlated simply with that.

Let’s compare the passions of E1 vs E4, which are Anger and Envy, respectively. The passion of anger causes the person to be critical, frustrated at the world and themselves for not living up to their expectations. They look down upon those that don’t fit into their moralistic ideas, seeing themselves as superior in that aspect. I really do think Lena lacks the crucial element of resenting the world, not just herself. Her arc in season 5, is really the only big indicator to me and even then, it came primarily from the hurt of Kara not revealing her secret, with her moralistic ideals of “fixing the world” stemming from that. It was due to her hurt of being confirmed, by the people she trusted the most, as being the bad guy. Envy will be explained shortly.

Part 2. Explaining SP4

Lena is a very interesting and complex character, however I feel like much of the analysis regarding her typology is very denying of her inherent emotionality, of her personal sentiments; in fact many of the arguments regarding INTJ on this page hinge on how “strong” her Fi is. I had also believed this and even wrote an (unpublished) analysis explaining her functions.

The tertiary is one that isn’t even mentioned in the original literature about MBTI and even so, it is a weak function. While this is not an MBTI or Jungian argument I ask for people to explain how Lena would be a thinking>feeling type, just because she is incredibly smart and capable of rational thought doesn’t make her a thinker. So much of her character is built on the sense of feeling, which as outlined in Jungian, isn’t inherently tied to showing emotion.

However let’s get back to the point.

While E4 may have the image of a lamenting character or one that’s all about creativity or identity; that is a massive oversimplification of the type. We should first examine the ego structure of an E4.

E4 has the fixation of melancholy, they feel dissatisfied and yearn for more, eventually they develop the passion of envy, which causes them to desire what others may have, they feel a deep sense of lacking.

>”In type 4 there is a deficient self: the person feels that they are worthless, that they do not have, there is an impoverished image of themselves, and there is also a strong idealization of what they would like to be.”

The self-preservation instinct is one that is focused on their own survival, thus they focus on their own security.

How the instinct manifests in E4 is that it creates a character that takes in their own envy (thus being the countertype), believing that they can take anything that comes their way. They are demanding and expect perfection of themselves. SP4’s aren’t also very expressive with their emotions, which fits Lena’s attitude of repressing her emotions. This line from the E4 book made me think of her little boxes.

>”He locks his emotions in an inner world that has no expression, to the point that it can be difficult to recognize him as an emotional character”

Here are some quotes outlining the character of an sp4.

>”Although it is not difficult to confuse the search for perfection of an conservation E4 with that of an E1, the conservation E4 accompanies this attitude with effort and dissatisfaction: the search to be perfect or to do things perfectly is the consequence of a feeling of inferiority and an attempt to compensate for the experience of being insufficient.”

>“Different from the "sufferer" (social E4) and the "insufferable" (sexual E4) is what is called the "suffered" (or “long-suffering”) in Spanish, an expression that speaks to us of a capacity for self-frustration and endurance.

>”Instead of being a very tearful person, the sufferer is one who does not complain and avoids crying in front of others, and who has learned to swallow a lot and endure pain without blinking.”

>”One of the most obvious differences between the E4 conservation and the other subtypes of envy is the lack of expression of this passion: conservation is the subtype where envy appears most denied, and it is difficult to recognize it because the person does not stay in the lack and in envy towards what it does not have, but through effort it transforms in a compensatory way what it lacks, thus defending itself from the envious feeling.”

Think back to moments in the show, how Lena tries so hard to be different from her family's legacy, she feels this deep shame of being a Luthor, desperately trying to redeem the name, to try and do something good. We see her put on a stoic, hardworking mask, being overly consumed in her work. While in moments of vulnerability (and mild alcohol inhibition) she reveals her true feelings, such as the scene Lena has in S3E05.

>”Because I did it.

Kara, I did it.

You know, all I ever wanted to be was good.”

>“In the real world, my last name is bin Laden and everything I do hurts people.

Hey, you know, it's...

it's in my DNA, okay?

So, please, just...

just...

just stop.

Stop believing me, okay?

I am not worth it.”

These lines are so indicative of Lena’s deep shame in her name, how she truly views herself as below others and less then. Despite her view of herself being very negative, calling herself a bad person on many occasions; she strives for altruism and tries desperately to show that she is different from her family.

What she tries to do with L-Corp, by reforming it, wasn’t to fit her own expectations and to aim for the idea of perfection.

No, it was reformed out of a sense of penance, a fact that Lena literally states in the first episode she’s in.

>”I won't have a life if I can't make this company into something positive.”

More sp4 coded quotes lol

>“You know, I...

I just thought if I could make this work, I would prove to the world and to my mother that I was as good as the golden boy.

I think most of all, I just wanted to prove it to myself.” (S2E20)

>”I knew something was wrong, but I did nothing. I just watched her die.

And afterward, I was brought to this terrible family.

And I have spent my life fighting their legacy, and their crimes and their evil deeds, but I've always known that...

That deep down inside, that I belonged with them.” (S4E07)

Childhood:

The childhood of a sp4 also matches up extremely close to Lena’s own, she lost her mother at a young age, blaming herself for her death, following that she was taken in by the Luthor family. From this Lena grew up with a poor self image, feeling rejected by Lillian, while also undergoing the guilt that still plagues her into adulthood.

>”Physiological and emotional deprivation at an early age, which may be due to the loss of the mother due to death, illness, depression, abandonment or temporary absence-”

>”In the most general case, when the mother remains by the child's side but stops attending to him, taking care of him and giving him a safe environment, the child introjects the hostile figure, giving rise to his bad internal image and the experience of lack and longing for the good mother The mother is left as great and idealized and the child feels very small and helpless. This way of seeing others as superior is going to be repeated in their relationships throughout their lives.”

>”The experience of children is waiting for someone to be there for them, take care of them and protect them. They constantly need to convince themselves that they can be loved and liked as they are.”

>” As one E4 conservation patient puts it: “Whatever I did, nothing was ever right. My mother criticized me a lot, she told me that I was very selfish...>>”

This deprivation of affection and loss results in a character that believes they are at fault, thus leading to their tenacious and masochistic attitude. Lena took all the terrible things in her childhood, introjecting them and thus believing that she is a bad person. We see her channel these beliefs into her efforts of being a better person, to try and always do right.

also so>sx instinct as I see Lena being incredibly aware and attentive of social norms, rather than the focus on one-on-one relations/competition the sx instinct is about. Although I would be willing to change my mind on this.

Conclusion:

Lena is an sp4 as she lacks the world resentment and external standards of perfection that an E1 would have. However she does fit the feelings of deficiency, she has a strong ideal of who she wants to be, striving for that image with tenacity and effort; this matches up with how the passion of envy is twisted in combination with the self-preservation instinct. Her themes of trying to be perfect and swallowing pain, are a near textbook reflection of an sp4.

This page is very much dead and I really need to stop caring so much about the typology of Katie McGrath’s characters but I cannot stop (Saskia PY argument soon???)

3. Sources

ENVIDIA ABNEGADOS, ODIADORES Y MELANCÓLICOS translation

27 Personalities in Search of Being

#lena luthor #supergirl #enneagram #sp4 #all I need is for Katie McGrath to play a so4 #it’s my typology cringe era <3 #I love e4s sm #I’m sorry the spacing sucks

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