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#while parroting the same shit conservatives say to all lesbians
butchvamp · 7 months
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ohhh my god i need to get off this website
#first mistake going into the lesbian tag just to immediately see lesbophobia#crazy to me that the popular stance from so many other gay ppl rn is just ‘lesbophobia is good’#i cannot take it anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#why is everyone suddenly so obsessed with 'proving' that lesbians can be with men#and why are so many people being so horrible and misrepresenting our history#there absolutely were lesbians that were with men historically. because they were either bisexual women#that were forced to mislabel themselves bc of the violent biphobia in the lesbian feminist movement#or they were women unknowingly dealing with compulsive heterosexuality#like how disgusting do you have to be to look at some of these women and be like 'this was when queers were REALLY QUEER'#instead of like. having empathy and understanding about their situation#and also acknowledge that language has changed. there is no lesbian feminism anymore lesbianism is a sexuality that EXCLUDES MEN#end of sentence#there is a difference between someone questioning or who found out they were lesbian later in life#or historically where these words had different meaning the community & society was Completely Different#versus you assholes deliberately trying to force lesbianism to include men to be 'progressive'#like just so fucking vile. you should be ashamed of yourselves#literally just cannot go into any gay spaces as a lesbian anymore because it's just constant lesbophobia and no one cares#theyre more concerned with being So Inclusive and the Better Queer that they'd rather exclude an entire part of the community#and deem them 'less than'#while parroting the same shit conservatives say to all lesbians#did you win? do you feel good about ignoring and talking over and excluding us?
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Terf/transphobia discourse:
1. Sorry but sorry but terfs SHOULD feel unwelcome in hobby spaces the same way racists, homophobes and sexists should. This hobby is for everyone whether they like it or not. Unfortunately plenty of people who fit the description are very comfortable in this hobby and don’t face consequences for being shitty people. That doesn’t mean others are turning a blind eye.
~Anonymous
2. "Can people stop ganging up on G3an/Alyssvm/C@nticle/0neMoreLight? they're just an uwu baby gay who did nothing wrong everyone who disagrees with them is an old freak" yeah nah as an old queer I don't want baby terflings in the community. Fuck off tenderqueer, we didn't die for you to turn around and parrot the same conservative bullshit at us all over again a few decades later. Prejudice against our own fucking community doesn't magically become valid just because it's wearing a rainbow hat.
~Anonymous
3. the person who said people can’t call out gean/onemorelight/etc for being a terf because she’s a young lesbian and thus it’s ‘punching down’ are hysterical. She’s a spoilt rich white terf who buys multiple $1000 v0lks dolls on her parents dime. At least look up the meaning of ‘punching down’ because holy shit that ain’t it. People aren’t even ‘bullying’, they’re rightfully calling her out, not that terfs can tell the difference. ‘Punching down’ LMFAO.
~Anonymous
4. ‘uwu you can’t be mean to a terf if you’re over 30 it’s bullying’ oh ok so once I reach a certain age I’m supposed to just turn off my empathy for the young trans hobbyists literally scared to even post in the hobby spaces 0nemorelight/Em1l is active in. That’s fine and normal. Totally cool for -actual minors- to have confessed to me the they feel bullied out of hobby spaces because of terf bigotry but pointing this out is bullying! Get bent. I’ll be the voice of those too afraid to speak.
~Anonymous
5. Sorry but I’m not going to stop holding G3an/Alyssvm/C@nticle/0neMoreLight/Emil (you forgot a name!) accountable (which isn’t bullying) just because she’s an uwu smol lesbean. And not only just because she’s a terf, which is ideas that should never be welcome in inclusive hobby spaces. It’s also because she’s rude, unpleasant, loves the sound of her voice (or look of her text) too much while ignoring everyone else, self-centered and spoilt. Her self centered and entitled attitude is probably due to how much her parents spoil her - pretty much every expensive v0lks doll she owns was paid for by her rich mommy and daddy (and she seems to get new ones every other month).   Gean, maybe instead of smugly reblogging confessions about you and taking pride in being an unlikeable little shit you start to think about why people are uncomfortable with you, why people are hurt by you, and what is provoking these reactions. Work on your attitude because the whole ‘heehee everyone hates me xD!’ thing you’re doing is beyond cringe and just proves you think you’re better than everyone else. You being ‘young and queer’ doesn’t absolve you of anything. Take responsibility for the shit you say and do instead of hiding behind the ‘I’m literally a queer (almost) minor how dare anyone be mean you’re a bully?!?!’ shit. You’re an adult and I and the others who are done with your hurtful BS are treating you like one.
~Anonymous
6.  Friendly reminder that G3an/Alyssvm/C@nticle/catwithpizza (AKA Onemorelight on DOA and Emil on DollDreaming) bullied and harassed the user formerly known as Ruin-Lilien/SayosBox (not giving their current username for obvious reasons) out of the hobby by relentlessly attacking them for being a pedophile and accusing them of horrific things over literally nothing (their MDD that was their own ADULT OC), so it’s pretty damn funny to see her crying about being ‘bullied’ now (called out. Not bullying).
(By the way, accusing every second person of being a pedophile while all your icons on discord are underage characters from eroge (anime porn games) is also pretty funny.)
~Anonymous
7. I think "This BJD person is a terf" is different from just "Ugh TERFS fucking suck, I just hate them so bad." Are two completely different topics on this blog, though both are very valid. 1) Makes sense to confess on a doll blog. 2) Not so much, it's just a general statement about how much terfs suck, but has literally no relation to dolls. You can't even argue that you know who to support, bc it's an anon confession, so you can't even support the anti-terf confession.
~Anonymous
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enigma-boi · 4 years
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I think it’s really insidious about how much crypto or straight up SWERF n TERF talking points got presented in a palatable way to teens and young adults, who then parroted said bad beliefs of social media personalities they liked and look up to kids, who similarly look up to them. Especially when their points get coated over in a way to seemingly target a different group while also doubling as TERF pipeline (transmedicalism/tucute, bihets, ace discourse and most recently bi lesbian discourse) or start fusing themselves with movements that seem reasonable (IE the anti movement fusing with the social puritanism of far-right christian conservatives with the yearly “kink at pride” discourse. A discourse where men walking around in sexually charged but not in-and-of-themselves sexual acts are seen as uniquely sexual//explicit acts that traumatise minors uncomfortable and thus are inappropriate for pride while erotic samba dancers and microkinis are seen as neutral (a discourse with widely homophobic and subtly transphobic implications), as well as these same kids trying to ignore and erase actual LGBT history of Kink at Pride when people point out that pride started at a riot, kink was there from the beginning and pride was never a place where families were catered to, minors being accepted into pride is a recent thing that only came with the corporate-washing and defanging of pride. Where kids with a lack of critical thinking and bad faith actors read “kink belongs at pride and pride was conceived or intended a place for children” the exact same way the take some terminally online fandom mommy saying “fuck off, fandom was made by ADULTS” when talking about My Little Pony. These people were essentially groomed by online cryptos and terfs to think that public GSAs, LGBT+ groups and Queerspaces were full of “mogai kweers who call themselves demisexual heteroflexibles talking about buttplugs and harry potter” and are “pushing out REAL GAYS” and shit like that. That pride is full of nothing but cishet kinksters that think walking their GFs on a leash makes them queer. That all sex positivety is Erika Moen and crap. This leads to a whole younger generation of people only communicating with LGBTQIA+ folks online, and thus getting trapped in echo chambers where they become convinced of this fact. That pride is filled with degenerates who fist each other in public and not the fact that many modern pride parade take into account families at the event and structure the parade to have the family friendly stuff earlier on in the day and the risque stuff later when families have likely left. Hell these people have gotten so good at this stuff that you can’t even call a duck a duck without crowd of people calling you a bigot of some slice (usually homophobic, lesbophobic and very occasionally transphobic, ableist or biphobic). Stuff like pointing out the fact that ace discourse is a proven pipeline to radical feminism and many of it’s talking points are papered over TERF talking points. Or pointing out that “queer is a slur” discourse and that “we shouldn’t use queer to describe the community” have historically been a covert TERF tactic, and we have the academic papers to prove it. Point any of this out and you’re immediately branded as a homophobe or a lesbophobe or a transphobe for daring to point these out because “These are lies. They are in no way comparable. Why do you hate women/people uncomfortable with being called a slur?”
Maybe I’m just getting old. Maybe I’m just getting disillusioned and even somewhat annoyed with kids who claim to know queer history and tell us to respect gay history then decide to act as the modern mouthpieces of the community and that their demands are tantamount and inherently correct, that anyone older than them who disagrees with them is wrong and probably a pedophilic fandom mommy or some shit (especially if they’re transfem) rather than re-evaluate their positions when presented with contrary evidence to their preconceived worldviews and instead only promote confirmation bias. It’s true that many older people do not consider every respecting the boundaries of minors and scoff at the idea of ever considering to make a space for minors in places they have a right to be in. But that respect of boundaries needs to go both ways
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