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this is hilarious when you consider it was castiel who went to superhell for being in love with dean while samdean went to heaven to incest openly

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We have another family reveal in a popular anime ship! Sorry for spoilers for Jujutsu Kaisen but

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Protagonist and main antagonist are now revealed to be uncle and nephew!!! (Squint and it's father and son).

There is some reincarnation stuff going on so even if they're blood related, there are 1000 years between them which would statistically make nearly everyone in Japan related to the antagonist but who cares, it's incest now 💅

This won't make negative waves in the shipping spheres like the Kaishin Detective Conan circles because the ship was already triple problematique being both good guy/bad guy, 1000 year age difference and underage but it's all the better now.

Nice!

#ah so THATS why i saw sukuna/yuuji tagged as nephew/uncle #this is so funny for me personally #because i know next to nothing abt jjk and when i first saw them i thought they were brothers #and then i learnt actually they weren't brothers or even related at all #and now it turns out they ARE related. just not in the way i thought #finally my faux-incest ship has become Real Incest #assuming this is abt sukuna and yuuji. of course #i could be wrong and have just humiliated myself on the World Wide Web

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Gus Kenworthy by Benjamin Lowy 🎿 Body Issue.

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Gus Kenworthy by Benjamin Lowy 🎿 Body Issue.

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Gus Kenworthy by Benjamin Lowy 🎿 Body Issue.

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Gus Kenworthy by Benjamin Lowy 🎿 Body Issue.

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Gus Kenworthy by Benjamin Lowy 🎿 Body Issue.

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after several discussions that left me baffled, let me throw this out to the masses: do you look at ao3's icons when you're looking for a fic to read?

#i know what they mean #but for the most part i dont really look at it #the only one i look at on a normal basis is probably the rating tag #but even then i usually pre-filter out anything that isnt explicit so #it's honestly probably because i already have a specific pairing in a specific rating i want to look at so it doesnt matter to me #at least not as much as tags #like the only one that really matters past that point is the archive warnings

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I....I have absolutely no words. Like I can't even process this shit. I am fucking so god damn baffled. Like is this just antis being hypocrites? Something I've noticed is that in fictional settings, a character being completely iredeemable and ignoring someone's consent is completely okay...unless sex is involved. The second a character is a pedophile or rapist, then anyone who likes said character is completely disgusting and fucked up and gross. But a character is a stalker? Well that's fine because "90% of stalkers are uwu shy baby boys that need protection".

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Yk you say you get attacked by antis and stuff but I've never really seen it? I've never seen any proshipper be targeted and harassed and stuff, I've seen people disagree with them, and sure sometimes they're rude, but that's about it

I'm honestly surprised I haven't gotten more hatemail. But. There has been plenty. KYS, calling me a pedo, all their usual go to's. But I delete them right away. I'm not going to post them just to prove a point. I don't think they're worth the attention :/ I'm glad you haven't seen anything too bad though!

#read later #i guess?? i kinda wanna look at it

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it's ok to be horny! it's good to be perverted! your sexuality isn't shameful and the things that turn you on are good and should be celebrated!!! even if its weird!!!! especially if it's weird and fucked up!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK!

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“Why can’t the freaks on AO3 just go and make a site for all the gross stuff and leave AO3 alone.”

Because AO3 is that site. Because AO3 was that site long before you decided AO3 was better than the sites you bullied us off of before, and I can promise you if someone somehow comes up with a fanfic site you like better specifically for the ‘gross stuff’ you’ll try to bully us off that too so you can benefit from it.

AO3’s specific core purpose is to preserve fanfiction, yes, but it was also instigated as a host site for the fanfiction that kept getting yeeted off other platforms like Wattpad. Its designed to preserve all fanfiction, not just the fanfiction you, personally, think is ‘allowed’ to be written.

AO3 is the site for all the gross stuff the freaks make. We’ve been there just as long as you. We’ve been funding it just as long as you have. AO3 has specifically said you have a place here. The timeline was literally:

Wattpad/FF.net/LiveJournal purge fanfics > AO3 is born > The people who’s fics got purged moved over to AO3 > AO3 gains popularity as the best functioning site > The people who pushed for the fics to be purged off Wattpad move to AO3 > The same people try to push for AO3 to purge fics.

AO3’s source coding is open-access. You go make a polished, strict, rigid site where nothing ‘icky’ is allowed. You go make a site where you can control what is hosted. We already have our space.

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please help me- i used to be pretty smart but i’m having so much trouble grasping the concept of diegetic vs non-diegetic bdsm!

gfkjldghfd okay first of all I'm sorry for the confusion, if you're not finding anything on the phrase it's because I made it up and absolutely nobody but me ever uses it, but I haven't found a better way to express what I'm trying to say so I keep using it. but now you've given me an excuse to ramble on about some shit that is only relevant to me and my deeply inefficient way of talking and by god I'm going to take it.

SO. the way diegetic and non-diegetic are normally used is to talk about music and sound design in movies/tv shows. in case you aren't familiar with that concept, here's a rundown:

diegetic sound is sound that happens within the world of the movie/show and can be acknowledged by the characters, like a song playing on the stereo during a driving scene, or sung on stage in Phantom of the Opera. it's also most other sounds that happen in a movie, like the sounds of traffic in a city scene, or a thunderclap, or a marching band passing by. or one of the three stock horse sounds they use in every movie with a horse in it even though horses don't really vocalize much in real life, but that's beside the point, the horse is supposed to be actually making that noise within the movie's world and the characters can hear it whinnying.

non-diegetic sound is any sound that doesn't exist in the world of the movie/show and can't be perceived by the characters. this includes things like laugh tracks and most soundtrack music. when Duel of Fates plays in Star Wars during the lightsaber fight for dramatic effect, that's non-diegetic. it exists to the audience, but the characters don't know their fight is being backed by sick ass music and, sadly, can't hear it.

the lines can get blurry between the two, you've probably seen the film trope where the clearly non-diegetic music in the title sequence fades out to the same music, now diegetic and playing from the character's car stereo. and then there are things like Phantom of the Opera as mentioned above, where the soundtrack is also part of the plot, but Phantom of the Opera does also have segments of non-diegetic music: the Phantom probably does not have an entire orchestra and some guy with an electric guitar hiding down in his sewer just waiting for someone to break into song, but both of those show up in the songs they sing down there.

now, on to how I apply this to bdsm in fiction.

if I'm referring to diegetic bdsm what I mean is that the bdsm is acknowledged for what it is in-world. the characters themselves are roleplaying whatever scenarios their scenes involve and are operating with knowledge of real life rules/safety practices. if there's cnc depicted, it will be apparent at some point, usually right away, that both characters actually are fully consenting and it's all just a planned scene, and you'll often see on-screen negotiation and aftercare, and elements of the story may involve the kink community wherever the characters are. Love and Leashes is a great example of this, 50 Shades and Bonding are terrible examples of this, but they all feature characters that know they're doing bdsm and are intentional about it.

if I'm talking about non-diegetic bdsm, I'm referring to a story that portrays certain kinks without the direct acknowledgement that the characters are doing bdsm. this would be something like Captive Prince, or Phantom of the Opera again, or the vast majority of bodice ripper type stories where an innocent woman is kidnapped by a pirate king or something and totally doesn't want to be ravished but then it turns out he's so cool and sexy and good at ravishing that she decides she's into it and becomes his pirate consort or whatever it is that happens at the end of those books. the characters don't know they're playing out a cnc or D/s fantasy, and in-universe it's often straight up noncon or dubcon rather than cnc at all. the thing about entirely non-diegetic bdsm is that it's almost always Problematic™ in some way if you're not willing to meet the story where it's at, but as long as you're not judging it by the standards of diegetic bdsm, it's just providing the reader the same thing that a partner in a scene would: the illusion of whatever risk or taboo floats your boat, sometimes to extremes that can't be replicated in real life due to safety, practicality, physics, the law, vampires not being real, etc. it's consensual by default because it's already pretend; the characters are vehicles for the story and not actually people who can be hurt, and the reader chose to pick up the book and is aware that nothing in it is real, so it's all good.

this difference is where people tend to get hung up in the discourse, from what I've observed. which is why I started using this phrasing, because I think it's very crucial to be able to differentiate which one you're talking about if you try to have a conversation with someone about the portrayal of bdsm in media. it would also, frankly, be useful for tagging, because sometimes when you're in the mood for non-diegetic bodice ripper shit you'd call the police over in real life, it can get really annoying to read paragraphs of negotiation and check-ins that break the illusion of the scene and so on, and the opposite can be jarring too.

it's very possible to blur these together the same way Phantom of the Opera blurs its diegetic and non-diegetic music as well. this leaves you even more open to being misunderstood by people reading in bad faith, but it can also be really fun to play with. @not-poignant writes fantastic fanfic, novels, and original serials on ao3 that pull this off really well, if you're okay with some dark shit in your fiction I would highly recommend their work. some of it does get really fucking dark in places though, just like. be advised. read the tags and all that.

but yeah, spontaneous writer plug aside, that's what I mean.

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"ummm you know the writer only included that because they have a FETISH right?" is always so funny to me as a disparaging comment, because imagine if people spoke that way about nonsexual interests. "the lord of the rings? didnt the author only write that because he was interested in linguistics? thanks, i'll pass" "yeah, i used to love spongebob as a kid, but i can never see it the same after finding out stephen hillenburg is a marine biologist :/"

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as an SA victim i could really give less of a fuck about what people's kinks are. someone likes cnc? none of your business. they're into ddlg? so what? no one is being hurt. they ship something taboo? as long as they don't try to justify that in real life idc. please for the love of god focus on real predators out there and advocate for actual SA prevention instead of focusing on random people's kinks.

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I wish tumblr users understood that they aren't raising "ships a gross ship" to the level of "active threat to others." They're lowering being a threat to the level of shipping the wrong thing.