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EFFIN FINALLY!!!!

AMA’s 2018

Hey guys 👋🏼🤗. As promised, ta-daaah 🎉✨🎊🎉✨🎊✨. Before diving headfirst into this big, detailed ass analysis, I’d like to say a couple of things.

First thing: I’ll repeat what I already said in my previous post.

I absolutely don’t want this analysis, this post, to get out of here. Nope. If you’ve known me for a while, then you guys already know how much I don’t want to be involved in any way. Most of all, I don’t want my stuff to get to their teams or Camila and Lauren themselves. Like, never. Never, ever, never in a million years. I’d rather go back to being a silent fan. You also already know how much I despise Twitter, but by ‘I absolutely don’t want it to get out of here’, I really mean nowhere else. So, no YouTube, no Instagram, no Facebook, no TikTok, and yes, especially no fucking Twitter of course.

I love Tumblr for a reason, but unfortunately, I’m aware this is the internet. I’m aware of the risk that the same thing that happened with my very first post, could happen again with this one. I can’t control the actions of others, and I certainly can’t decide for you. I can, however, ask you to have respect for my decision. If you really have the need to publish it elsewhere, then please ASK ME before doing so. This also applies to the proofs you’ll see in the post. Please, ask me first, and we’ll arrange what’s good for me for you to post and what’s not, okay? That’s all I’m asking. Don’t make me regret even creating all this. Please and thank you 🙏🏼.

Second thing: This post was possible also thanks to the help of @romanticentropy and @mentesimploria, who helped me collect the proofs. I’ve already thanked them many times privately, but I’m also doing it publicly. I would have done it regardless because, you know, it’s the way I am 🤷🏻‍♀️😄, but someone, *cough* Nadi @mentesimploria *cough*, insisted by even wanting a whole paragraph to thank her 🤦🏻‍♀️🤣. Sorry, bish, but as I already told you, not gonna happen. Just settle for it 😜.

All kidding aside, thank you. Thank you so much once again, you two 🤗. Thank you for dedicating your free time to the research, thank you for sending me what you found, thank you for the patience, and thank you for helping me in general 🥰. For real, thank you so much 😘.In the post I’ll point out when one of the two of them has sent me something, so you’ll know exactly how much this has actually been possible thanks to their help. They haven’t read the post, so it will be a surprise for them too, and I really hope they both like it 🤞🏼😊.

Oh and, a little special shoutout also to my friend, lil J (@jane-ellie) 👋🏼😁, for that conversation that helped to confirm even more other things.

Last important thing you need to keep in mind, is that this post is based on the real hours that happened. Like, literally. They won’t all be 100% accurate and you’ll see why, but they’re still those ones anyway, and they’re based on the actual Los Angeles hours. I believe this is why this post will be different from all the others and make a difference in your eyes.

Having said that, let’s get started. Enjoy, babies 🙃.

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That year’s American Music Awards took place on October 9, 2018, as always at the Microsoft Theater in Los Angeles. By starting with Lauren, she was at the JW Marriott Hotel getting ready before the show. Justine Marjan (celebrity hairstylist and beauty influencer) and Carlene Kearns (celebrity makeup artist) took care of her hair and make-up. Justine and Carlene have known Laur for a long time:

Justine since August 2017 when she started hairstyling 5H https://www.instagram.com/p/BYUXonwHeSi/?utm_medium=copy_link, while Carlene also for longer and for many more things than Justine (tours, awards, performances, etc.), since March 2016 https://www.instagram.com/p/BC_2XrKpuWd/?utm_medium=copy_link (👈🏼 first time she did their makeup). But focusing only on Laur, Justine and Carlene have both hairstyled/put makeup on Lo for many things, including the music videos for All Night, Expectations, and More Than That. And about that night, they both posted pictures and IG stories:

Including that famous IG story that Carlene still has among her posts (third slide).

Besides Justine and Carlene, it obviously couldn’t miss her oh so precious PR with which she immediately started the stunt thanks to the help of Tara Beikae (manager of both of them at the time; Lo’s since the end of December 2015 with 5H) and some people/friends from Tinky Winky’s personal team who were there in that room with them. Now. Why am I so sure that that room was in the JW Marriott Hotel? Because first of all, the hotel was tagged in one of the proofs that I’ll exhibit later, and second of all, because I compared their first stunt video of the evening with the actual pictures of the hotel itself:

See that particular floor design? Here:

With this, even the color of the wall:

Oh and, the JW Marriott Hotel and the Microsoft Theater are basically attached to each other:

Let’s move on to Camila. After performing at the Live Austin City Limits Music Festival on October 7, 2018, Mila arrived in L.A. the day before the AMA’s, which is on October 8, 2018: (remember this pic for later)

She and her parents stayed in the same hotel for two nights before leaving for Brazil to continue the stops of her Never Be the Same Tour:

The same evening they settled in the hotel (the 8th), Mila posted a video in the room with her dad to advertise the orchestral version of Consequences which would’ve been released at midnight of the same night, and which she would’ve performed live for the first time the next day at the AMA’s:

Contrary to Lauren, Camila got ready directly in the theater for the AMA’s. She left the hotel in this outfit, and yes, this picture was posted days later when she was already in Brazil, but it actually dates back to October 9:

and she changed into the theater. Besides her parents, there were three people on her team that night with her: Dvora Englefield (her publicist since October 2016), Roger Gold, and Gian Mitchell (both her managers; Roger since March 2015, Gian since April 2017). Dimitris Giannetos (celebrity hairstylist) and Allan Avendaño (celebrity makeup artist) took care of her hair and make-up:

Mila’s been friends with them for years now:

and they’re the ones she calls most of the time for her projects/events. Allan met Mila and started doing her makeup since September 2016 https://www.instagram.com/p/BKTv6OXDfRk/?utm_medium=copy_link, while Dimitris knew her much earlier because he started hairstyling her and 5H since November 2014 https://www.instagram.com/p/vY85TMjoFy/?utm_medium=copy_link.

Having said the pre-show, let’s move on to the actual show. As I said at the beginning, this post is based on the actual Los Angeles hours which are in the Pacific Time Zone. The AMA’s started at 5 pm and finished at 8 pm: (Thanks, baby, for the website of the second pic 🥰)

I’m going to write the whole schedule setlist of the show, and my love’s sent me all the tweets (except the last one) from the official account, so thanks for these too, babe ❤. They were punctual to both start and finish according to the schedule, therefore, keep in mind that we have to calculate that the team behind the account took about 5/10 minutes, sometimes even a little longer, to receive the pictures or videos, edit them, write the caption, and lastly post the news, okay? Oh and, I’ve used the bold font for Mila and the performances, and I’ve of course only picked the key tweets we’re interested in.

AMA’s schedule setlist:

- Taylor Swift: I Did Something Bad

As you can see, the show opening was tweeted at 5:06 pm, but it started at 5 pm sharp, and by 5:02 pm, people were already tweeting about Tay’s performance. Indeed, the team of people or person behind the account, used the present continuous because the performance was still ongoing since it lasted for about 6 minutes and 30 seconds. In fact, it was ending at that moment.

- Tracee Ellis Ross (the host) with her opening dance routine

- Bebe Rexha and Florida Georgia Line presented Favorite Rap/Hip-Hop Artist (winner: Cardi B)

*commercial break*

- Amber Heard introduced Twenty One Pilots = Twenty One Pilots: Jumpsuit

- Macaulay Culkin presented Favorite Pop/Rock Male Artist (winner: Post Malone)

*commercial break*

- Heidi Klum presented Tour of the Year (winner: Taylor Swift)

5:59 pm, so let’s say 5:52 pm.

- Chloe x Halle introduced Mariah Carey = Mariah Carey: With You

*commercial break*

- Shawn Mendes, Zedd: Lost in Japan (Remix)

- John Stamos and Busy Philipps presented Favorite Soul/R&B Male Artist (winner: Khalid)

*commercial break*

- Tracee Ellis Ross introduced Cardi B, Bad Bunny & J Balvin = Cardi B, Bad Bunny, J Balvin: I Like It

- Ashlee Simpson and Evan Ross presented Favorite Pop/Rock Song (winner: Camila Cabello)

6:15 pm, so let’s say 6:05.

*commercial break*

- Sara Gilbert and Thomas Rhett presented Favorite Country Female Artist (winner: Carrie Underwood)

- Normani and Liza Koshy introduced Benny Blanco, Khalid and Halsey = Benny Blanco, Halsey, Khalid: Eastside

- Billy Eichner and Kathryn Hahn presented Favorite Adult Contemporary Artist (winner: Shawn Mendes)

*commercial break*

- Constance Wu and Rita Ora presented Favorite Pop/Rock Duo or Group (winners: Migos)

- The Chainsmokers and Kelsea Ballerini introduced Post Malone and Ty Dolla Sign = Post Malone, Ty Dolla Sign: Psycho & Better Now

6:34 pm and 6:43 pm are 9 minutes, but the introduction and the performance actually last for about 5 minutes and 10/12 seconds, so you see what I mean? And according to the calculations I made, the performance ended at 6:33 pm.

*commercial break*

- Dua Lipa: One Kiss & Electricity

- Vanessa Hudgens introduced Jennifer Lopez = Jennifer Lopez: Limitless

- Lauren Daigle and Kane Brown presented Favorite Soul/R&B album (winner: XXXTentacion)

*commercial break*

- CAMILA CABELLO: CONSEQUENCES

7:08 pm, but actually started at 7:02.

- Amandla Stenberg presented Favorite Pop/Rock Album (winner: Taylor Swift)

*commercial break*

- Taran Killam and Leighton Meester presented Favorite Country Male Artist (winner: Kane Brown)

- Tracee Ellis Ross introduced Ciara and Missy Elliott = Ciara, Missy Elliott: Level Up & Dose

*commercial break*

- Tyra Banks presented New Artist of the Year (winner: Camila Cabello)

7:32 pm, but actually around 7:23 pm.

- Tracee Ellis Ross introduced Carrie Underwood = Carrie Underwood: Spinning Bottles

*commercial break*

- Rami Malek, Joseph Mazzello, and Gwilym Lee introduced Panic! at the Disco = Panic! at the Disco: Bohemian Rhapsody

- Lenny Kravitz presented Artist of the Year (winner: Taylor Swift)

7:47 pm, but actually a couple of minutes before.

- Tribute to Aretha Franklin = Gladys Knight: Amazing Grace - Donnie McClurkin: Climb Higher Mountains - CeCe Winans: Mary Don’t You Weep - Ledisi: How I Got Over - Mary Mary: The Old Landmark

8:10 pm, and 8:05 pm tweeted by a fan, but the AMA’s actually ended at exactly 8 pm.

Now that you know the schedule setlist, let’s delve into the events that happened during it. We’re interested in three: PRen/Tyren, one of the commercial breaks, and Consequences. All three are connected and intertwined with each other, and all three of them are about Lauren. But before that, you need to have an understanding of the surroundings to understand everything better.

Both Camren were seated in the Microsoft Theatre area that’s called the orchestra. It’s divided into five parts by six hallways. Those five parts, are in turn subdivided into let’s say invisible sides of the right and left as regards the assignment of the seats (thanks, mi corazón, for having understood this 😘). Lauren was sitting in the center-right orchestra on the invisible left side in the third seat of the fifth row. While Mila, was in the central orchestra on the invisible right side in the ninth seat of the first row. Because of the semicircle shape, the center-right and center-left parts have one row fewer seats in front, and that’s why Lauren turned out to be in the fifth row and not the fourth; because the assignments are calculated by the central orchestra as a reference point.

I created the layout of the theater of that night and compared it with the original floor plans to make you understand better what I’m talking about:

And with these, you can understand even better:

Do you see Mariah Carey’s seat? Despite being the first row of the center-right orchestra, it’s calculated as the second row because it’s prospectively in the same line as the second row of the central orchestra.

Having explained that, let’s move on to those three events that I mentioned earlier and, I’m sorry for this, but I’ll also debunk some moments in which many thought that Lauren was there when in reality wasn’t.

During the commercial break after Mariah Carey’s performance, PRen left the theater to go to the trailer they assigned to Tycoon so that he could change for his performance. This means that Laur wasn’t there when Mila won the Favorite Pop/Rock Song award. I saw that picture that spread around, but that’s not Lauren. Don’t worry, I’ll show it to you later along with other proofs.

Laur returned during the commercial break between the Migos’ winning for the Favorite Pop/Rock Duo or Group award and Post Malone and Tinkerbell’s performance. Right after the performance, PRen left the theater again, and Tara posted that boomerang to let believe that they were leaving the AMA’s:

Now that I’ve shown you that collage, I can delve into the topic of one of the commercial breaks specifically. You see, once back in the theater and before going to her seat, making those stories, and attending Tympanum’s performance, Laur made a small detour:

Yeeep 😏. Despite the painful pixelation due to the zoom for the distance and the potato ass quality, we can very well see that it’s them. I even took the pic where Laur is from behind and I mirrored it, changed the perspective to have her more or less in the same position as the other pic, and I played with colors, shadows, and other things to compare them. Here:

I defy anyone to say that that’s not Lauren even after this 😎. But anyway. She did it at that moment precisely because it was a commercial break. Risky? Yeah, 100%, but at least she had a public excuse: to say hi (as if they hadn’t seen each other for a long time 🙄🤣) and congratulate on the award that Mila had won. Let’s talk for a moment about why she did it knowing the risks, and mind you, this is just my theory, and no, it’s not about Camren in this case.

3 out of 5 former Fifth Harmony members were at that event. The fake narrative of the feud was still going on. Hell, it still is today when it’s convenient 😒. They knew, all three knew that the media would create rumors for gossip, and I don’t know if you remember, but they were all pretty sick of playing along in that period. So what did they do? They played in advance. Both Laurmani met Mila at different moments in front of everyone (and by everyone, keep in mind that I mean more like ordinary people/fans and not industry people since they know everything about everyone most of the time). Why? Because they wanted people to see them together, even if briefly, to be able to disprove the rumors that were then indeed created. Fans didn’t capture the moment of Normila’s meeting like they did with Camren, and so we don’t have visual proof, but we have proof thanks to Mama Dre:

I mean, why should Laur have risked being seen talking to Mila in such an open way? She, who’s forced to pretend to be allergic to Camren? Because it’s the same plan they used the year before at the 2017 Jingle Ball. And same thing with Mani. What reason would Andrea have had to clarify that if that wasn’t the plan? She could very well have said nothing and let another fake rumor spread, but she didn’t. Especially after they ‘had buried the hatchet’, of a war that never really existed 🤭, from the 2018 Billboard Music Awards:

So this is my theory. Of course I could be wrong, but that’s the only thing that makes sense to me. Let’s move on.

When Tara posted that boomerang to let believe that they were leaving the AMA’s, PRen were heading back to the trailer they assigned to Typod. Remember that Twix’s performance ended at 6:33 pm and that Mila’s one started at 7:02 pm? Good, because this means that Laur had exactly 29 minutes between one thing and the other. And what does that mean? That she had all the time in the world to go back to see Mila. Hell, in 29 minutes you have time to take a shower, or read a couple of chapters in a book, or have a meal, and I mean, you get it, right? So let alone go back to the theater 🤣.

Now not only will I give you the proof that Laur wasn’t there when Mila won the Favorite Pop/Rock Song award as I mentioned earlier, but I will also debunk another big proof that unfortunately spread throughout the fandom, and at the same time, I will confirm the true version.

So. I created this collage of the stories she posted just before Tyco Bell’s performance to show you the people around her:

In addition to those people, you can also notice how the stairs were slightly to her left from her perspective. You can also compare it with the layout of the theater that I created in that collage that I showed you previously.

I created this collage to show you both the people around her and in her proximity, and her seat position from a better and more realistic point of view:

And lastly, I created this one to show you the people who were around her and how SHE DIDN’T APPEAR:

First pic: as I’ve already explained to you, Laur was sitting in the center-right orchestra on the invisible left side in the third seat of the fifth row, and the stairs were slightly to her left from her perspective. That girl? She was in the central orchestra. Lo and Tijuana (and his sister) left during the commercial break after Mariah Carey’s performance, so she wasn’t there when Mila won. And as if that weren’t enough, the dress the girl was wearing was black. Take a closer look and notice how there’s also the lack of the tulle of the skirt that Lo wore:

The rest of the collage pics: I’m sorry if everyone thought the one in the famous Consequences video was Lauren, believe me, it hurts my soul 🥺, but it’s just not her. That girl, the “fake Lo” as I named her, has always been there. You can also notice her in the previous collage in the second pic (Post Malone’s speech). Not to mention that that’s the third row, while Lo’s seat was in the fifth row. Here, take a look at this other collage I created to better understand:

I know perspective can be deceiving. It mostly depends on the starting angle, and I mean, what the hell, look at this other picture:

From this angular perspective, it looks like Laur’s seat is very close to Mila’s, but as I showed you even with the previous collage, they weren’t at all. I mean, Mila and Cardi were sitting in the front row of the central orchestra, while Laur, Angel, the guy from Lo’s IG stories, and the guy in a suit were sitting in the fifth, sixth, and seventh rows of the center-right orchestra respectively. And does it look like that in this pic? Absolutely not because it’s a matter of perspective, and as I’ve already told you, it can be deceiving.

Going back to the collage where Lo doesn’t appear, I even zoomed in on the third pic (Taylor’s speech (after Consequences)) to show you not only the same people, but also how the seats that belonged to Angel, Laur, and Tipsy were empty:

And, I had already edited the screenshots of the original video for the collage so that you guys could see better, but I also zoomed in on the “fake Lo” to compare her with the real Lo:

This girl had shorter hair, and even here like the other pic with that other girl, the dress was black and no tulle skirt. The only thing similar to Laur’s dress is the neckline. I’m sorry, babies, but that’s not Lauren. BUT, don’t worry. I said that girl isn’t Laur, but I never said she wasn’t there. Indeed, if you remember, I also said that she had all the time in the world to go back to see the performance. Just because we didn’t see her in the videos, doesn’t mean she wasn’t there. I mean, she did it on purpose since she couldn’t be seen, but unfortunately for her plan and luckily for us, there are four proofs that confirm it.

Proof number 1: (Thanks, Nadi, for the link of these two tweets 😄)

This proof is the least reliable because it’s just words. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still proof, but it’s just an attestation without actual visual proof, like, I don’t know, even a shitty-quality pic.

Proof number 2: I think you all remember that fan’s IG stories, right? In case you don’t, her name is Raffaella Lamar and she posted 9 IG stories in order of how the show unfolded:

As you can see, the pic with Lo was posted after Consequences. People asked her if Lo stayed during the performance, and she first said yes, but then changed her answer to no when she saw that the news began to spread. Now, let me tell you and show why she did it. Raffaella has known them for many years. She’s part of that group of fans (who understands, understands). Plus, she is or she was a Camren Shipper. She had a Camren/5H fan account. Oh and, remember how I told you to remember that picture from when Mila arrived in L.A. the day before the AMA’s, which is October 8, 2018? You’ll find it again in this collage, because yes, it’s the same girl: (thanks, Nad, for the translation of that tweet 😊)

Honestly? I would’ve done exactly the same thing in her place to protect them. Actually, I wouldn’t have answered yes to the question at all, but you know, we’re not all the same, and there’s also the excitement/adrenaline of the moment of knowing something beautiful and important that no one else knows and that you’d like to shout at the top of your lungs. So it’s understandable on the one hand. But, we have to consider that the biggest risk Laur took that night wasn’t the one of going to Mila to ‘congratulate’ her after the award since, as I told you, I think all three of them decided it together, but it was the one of coming back to see her performance.

Now, I don’t know how things really went. I don’t know if it was Raffaella’s own idea because she saw how the news spread and therefore changed her version so she wouldn’t get into trouble. I don’t know if she did it on her own initiative to protect them after realizing that her answer “Ela ficou até o final” (She stayed until the end) spread everywhere. I don’t know if she was contacted to declare that Laur wasn’t there. I know nothing. I can only hypothesize. But one thing is certain. Laur was there, and the order of publication of the stories proves it in itself, with or without her confirmation.

Proof number 3: Another thing that proves it is in that same picture:

If you zoom into the one with Lo, you can notice how the pic was taken in the hallway (n° 3) between the center-right orchestra (Laur’s) and the central orchestra (Mila’s). You can even notice G-Eazy, who we know was seated in the front row of the center-right orchestra. The other thing that can be noticed, is how that pic was taken during yet another commercial break (you can even see how all the people are standing up talking to each other), and that makes me understand that Raffaella was going to Laur, saw her, and stopped her just as she was about to leave the theater to go back to Tic Tac’s trailer. This explains the reason for the location: the hallway.

Proof number 4 (the best one in my opinion 😏): Once she got back to Tyred’s trailer, they both took a picture with the GD Media Enterprises guy:

Yeah, the guy messed up in the caption which he then corrected, but, in this case, you don’t have to focus on yet another proof of their PR even though it was important. You have to focus on why I’m so sure it happened after seeing Mila’s performance.

Let’s do a little calculation before showing you this other proof that’s connected with that picture. Consequences’ performance began at 7:02 pm, and lasted for 4 minutes. Amandla Stenberg’s Favorite Pop/Rock Album presentation and Tay’s speech lasted for about 2 min. 6 min for everything, so 7:02 pm+6 min= 7:08 pm. 7:08 pm+let’s assume another 2/3 minutes between talking and taking the picture with Raffaella, it gives us approximately this time: 7:10/11 pm. Now, I don’t know exactly the distance between the trailers and the theater, but also calculating another ten minutes of time for Lo to get back to Typology’s trailer, it gives us approximately this time: 7:20/21 pm. Maybe a little more or maybe a little less, who knows 🤷🏻‍♀️.

Having explained that, this is the other proof:

As you can see, the sunset (so when the sun disappeared below the horizon) happened at 6:26 pm. From 6:26 pm to 6:51 pm, the civil twilight occurred. From 6:51 pm to 7:20 pm, the nautical twilight occurred. And lastly, from 7:20 pm to 7:49 pm, the astronomical twilight occurred. Remember that Post Malone and Tyronic’s performance ended at 6:33 pm? That means the sunset occurred when PRen were still inside the theater, and that the boomerang that Tara posted, was made once outside during the civil twilight. When Lo arrived at the trailer according to the calculations I made earlier, it was approximately 7:20/21 pm, and this means it was during the astronomical twilight. I don’t know exactly if that pic (PRen+PR guy) was taken right after she arrived or a little more time after that, but you can literally see the lights on even in the back buildings if you zoom in. You can also notice how Twinkle Twinkle Little Star wore the same after-party outfit that I’ll show you later.

The GD Media Enterprises account unfortunately no longer exists, so we can’t know the exact time when that picture was posted (because yes, there is a way, and you’ll see it in other proofs later), but I believe these two proofs and my calculation show us very well that PRen were still in the Microsoft Theater at that time. So, Miss Tara Beikae from Maverick, with that boomerang and like so many other times during that PR, you failed 🤣. Besides, I don’t think Typecast needed almost an hour to get changed, and he certainly couldn’t leave without Lo. So he leisurely changed, waited for Laur, they took that picture with the GD Media Enterprises guy, and left the Microsoft Theater together. Most likely, Lo went to get her things from the JW Marriott Hotel room where she got ready before the show, but once outside, they both went their separate ways 😏. We’ll come back to that later 😉.

Let’s go back to Mila now. She stayed inside the theater until the end of the show (8 pm), and right after, she went to the press room for the pictures, both single and with the awards won (for New Artist of the Year, Collaboration of the Year, Video of the Year, and Favorite Pop/Rock Song). 2 min for the pictures. For the interviews we have E! News: 1:41 min. Access: 1:41 min. EntertainmentTonight: 2:20 min. Stingray Music: 35 sec. ExtraTV: 1:21 min. InStyle: 52 sec. Variety: 1:26 min. On Demand Entertainment: 51 sec. And lastly, Billboard with Chelsea: 2:23 min.

15:10 min for everything to be exact. So it was 8:15 pm when Mila finished with the press and went to her dressing room for the last time to collect her things and change. You can also see here how the various press account teams started tweeting about it once she left (still because you have to calculate the time needed to receive the pictures or videos, edit them, write the caption, and lastly post them): [thank you, amore mio, also for these two 💖]

After gathering her things and changing into the same outfit she’d arrived in (the same as the afternoon and the pic she posted on the 12th, but with different shoes), Mila was out of the theater around 8:20 pm. She met a bunch of fans both outside the Microsoft Theater and in the parking garage where they had their car: (thanks, Nadi, for the link of the video and for the one of the third pic’s tweet 😁)

Among these, a girl with her hair gathered up whose pic was photobombed by a girl and none other than another fan who has known them for years, Ricardo De La Cruz:

Ricardo then posted the same pic, but cropped and with the location:

He was also at the AMA’s:

And once the show was over, he staked outside and waited in hopes of meeting celebrities exactly as he did before the show when he met Chelsea Briggs as I’ve shown you, J Balvin (singer), and Bryan Tanaka (dancer, choreographer, and boyfriend of Mariah Carey). Same thing he did hours later managing to catch Debby Ryan (actress), Luc Mbah a Moute (basketball player), Josh Dun (Twenty One Pilots drummer), and PRen at the JW Marriott Hotel:

You can see the location at the top also in these two as well as in the one with Mila, and you can also notice that Typo has the same outfit (you can notice especially the same shirt and the same jewelry) as the pic with the GD Media Enterprises guy as I mentioned to you before:

People thought that the pictures Ricardo posted with Camren were taken in the same place mostly because of the type of road, but that’s not the case. First of all, the location is indicated in both pics, and second of all, as I’ve already shown you at the beginning, the JW Marriott Hotel and the Microsoft Theater are basically attached to each other, so it’s normal they have the same type of road. I even checked by making the road route with the Google Maps little yellow man 🤣.

After people’s insistence even years later since that day, Ricardo posted TikToks on January 31, 2021, to explain again how those pictures weren’t taken in the same place, and how the times were also different. The TikTok that interests us in this case, is this one (thanks, Nad, for the link 🙃). I took the screenshot and circled the info at the top to give you another proof:

As you can see, there’s a difference between the two. The one with Mila only indicates the date and the time, while the one with Laur also indicates the location (South Park is a neighborhood in downtown Los Angeles that includes both the Microsoft Theater and the JW Marriott Hotel, btw). Why’s that? Because unlike the selfies he himself took with PRen, the pic with Mila wasn’t taken with his phone because he just photobombed by appearing in the camera view of the other girl while she took her selfie with Mila. That pic with Mila, was sent to him by that girl, and that’s why the info of the pictures we see in the TikTok of his gallery/camera roll are different.

Oh and, another important thing. In the TikTok, Ricardo said that people told him that he got paid to say those things and that he was leaving stuff out for that reason, but he was actually telling the truth for real. BUT, and yes, there is a but 😏, at the same time, he actually really left a detail out. He said that PRren left at 10:27 pm and that Mila left at 9 pm, and proved it by showing the details in his gallery/room roll. The time indicated in the pics with PRen is accurate precisely because, as I’ve just explained to you, he himself took those pictures, but the time indicated in the pic with Mila? Nope, it’s not. 9 pm is the time he received the pic from the girl, and not when the pic was actually taken 😎. So that’s not the accurate time Mila left the Microsoft Theater, and this is another proof that further confirms my calculation, which is that Camila left the theater around 8:20 pm, and calculating more or less another ten minutes spent with the fans on the way from the theater, the parking lot, and lastly to the car, she left at approximately 8:30 pm.

An umpteenth proof I can give you is the precise time when Ricardo posted the pic with her. Remember how I told you earlier that we couldn’t know the exact time the PRen pic with the GD Media Enterprises guy was posted because the GD Media Enterprises account no longer exists, but that there’s actually a way to see it and that I’d have shown it to you in other proofs? Here, this is the moment. Thanks to my tech baby 😍 who viewed the HTML source code of the picture for this:

See the blue part? [<time class=“_1o9PC Nzb55” datetime= “2018-10-10T04:42:05.000Z” title= “Oct 9, 2018”>October 9, 2018</time>] What interests us is the datetime part. The letter T indicates the end of the date, and the letter Z, indicates that the timestamp is expressed in UTC+0 (Universal Time Coordinated) timezone. So we need to read it like this: (2018-10-10) October 10, 2018, (04:42:05) 4:42 am in UTC+0. And doing the calculation with the Los Angeles time in the Pacific Time Zone, we get: October 9, 2018, 9:42 pm in UTC-7.

Ricardo posted that pic with Camila at 9:42 pm, which is 42 minutes after receiving it, and certainly in one of the free moments before going to stake out in front of the JW Marriott Hotel or while he was already there waiting to catch the other celebrities that I mentioned to you earlier. I’ll also show you later on the exact time in which he posted the one with Lo because it’s very important, but for the moment, let’s go back to Camila and Camren.

After leaving the Microsoft Theater, Mila and her parents went to the hotel. It took them about 29/30 min to get there, so they were there by 9 pm. Once they arrived at the hotel, they stayed there for a while, surely also to relax for a moment and catch their breath after the show, and in the meantime, both Camila and Alejandro changed because they would then have to go out to dinner at Madeo Restaurant in Beverly Hills (an Italian one 😜 ayy, wassup!):

I think you’ve all recognized that it’s the same tracksuit that Mila wore also in those two of her famous IG stories 😏. We’ll get to that, don’t worry, won’t be long now 😉. Now let me prove to you why I’m 100% sure Camilita and her parents went first to the hotel and then to the restaurant. These are Ale and Sinu outfits:

And these are Mila’s:

If they had gone to the Madeo Restaurant right after leaving the Microsoft Theater, then both Mila and Ale would’ve been wearing those same outfits and not the tracksuit for Mila and different pants and shoes for Ale. But as I just proved to you, that wasn’t the case 😜. Mila tweeted this once she changed while still in the room:

And now, why specify and show you both Mila and Ale’s change of clothes, and the time of that tweet? Why are all those details so important? Just because I’m a perfectionist who has to know and explain every little detail? Yes 🙈🤣, but also because with those two famous IG stories, Mila purposely confused the timing of the events. It was her plan, and it worked perfectly. Let me explain.

In the story, she said “I’m in a food coma”, but she hadn’t even gone to the restaurant yet in reality 🤣. So how did things really go? It’s time to reveal to you also the name of the hotel where Mila and her parents stayed for those two nights. I didn’t want to mention it before on purpose *sound effect* 🎵dun, dun, dun🎵. Sorry, not sorry 🤭🤣. Believe me, it was a challenge, but after searching every hotel for five hours non-stop, I finally found it 🥳. The hotel was the Sunset Marquis in West Hollywood (that’s why I knew it took them about 29/30 minutes to get there), and I even managed to find the room:

I also created this collage so that you can see how it all coincide together:

Oh and, if you’ve ever seen this around:

please, don’t believe it because it’s not true. As you can see here:

that was an IG story by songwriter/producer Blake Slatkin made on October 11, 2018, in the studio. It’s not a proof! I always say it and I will always repeat it: this is the reason why we’re called delusional shippers, and I hate it 😒.

But anyway, back to the post. Remember I told you that PRen left the Microsoft Theater together and that once outside they went their separate ways? Good, because Typic went to have dinner in a restaurant with his friends (I’ll show you later) and instead Laur went to Mila’s hotel. When Mila arrived at the hotel, Laur was already there and had also ordered room service by dining directly there. Reason why we can see the congratulatory dessert ordered by Lo which they most likely shared:

When Mila said “But I still have dessert left”, it was actually the first thing she was eating 🤣. So Mila arrived, changed, tweeted her thanks to the fans by saying she was going to eat, and stayed with Laur to celebrate for a while by even recording those two IG stories which, however, she didn’t post right away. And yes, babies, of course that was Lauren:

And why didn’t Mila post them right away? Simple: I remind you that paparazzi are called. Especially during awards nights when so many celebrities are in different places scattered around the city. Mila knew that when she’d have gone to the restaurant they would’ve been there, and since for some unknown reason which I’m very grateful for she wanted to show Lo, she waited to post the stories when they both were already in different places. Which is when? When she was at the restaurant herself, and when Lo was already with Tiresome for their stunt of the night. She did it so as to have a cover. An excuse like “no, it wasn’t her because, see? I’m in the room (but I’m actually in the restaurant), and she’s in a club. Look at her IG stories”. Let me prove it to you.

Typhon was the performer of dj Dre Sinatra’s birthday party at the Avenue. Their after-party, took place in that club. Same club in which Lo posted a couple of stories; the same ones I mentioned in Mila’s example:

And other people who were there also posted stories: (thanks, mi bebé, for the link 💓)

The party started at 10:30 pm, but thanks to the fan, Ricardo, we know PRen were outside the JW Marriott Hotel at 10:27 pm when he met them there. So Lo went to Mila’s hotel, had dinner, waited for her to arrive, they spent some time together celebrating, she changed, left the hotel around 10 pm to reach Tyro outside the JW Marriott Hotel, and together, they then went to the club for their stunt by arriving there around 10:50/11 pm.

The proof I was telling you about, Mila’s plan, is this (they’re three related in reality):

N° 1: The time of the publication of the IG stories. This is a screenshot of the update account that took longer to post it, 11:44 pm:

N° 2: The time of the publication of Mila’s stories and Ricardo’s pic with Laur, was exactly the same: (thanks, Nadi, for these two 🤗)

N° 3: Remember I told you that later on I would also have shown you the exact time in which Ricardo posted the one with Lo because it’s very important? Good, because it’s super important actually: (thanks, my tech cutie, also for this 😻)

Remember the blue part as before? [<time class=“_1o9PC Nzb55” datetime= “2018-10-10T06:13:46.000Z” title= “Oct 9, 2018”>October 9, 2018</time>] Remember that what interests us is the datetime part? So we need to read it like this: (2018-10-10) October 10, 2018, (06:13:46) 6:13 am in UTC+0. And doing the calculation with the Los Angeles time in the Pacific Time Zone, we get: October 9, 2018, 11:13 pm in UTC-7.

This shows that Mila’s two IG stories were latergrams because, if Ricardo saw Lo at 10:27 pm, but posted the pic at 11:13 pm which is the same moment as Mila’s stories time of the publication (the update account took longer to post it, 11:44 pm), this means that Mila already saw Lo, and she was in the restaurant at that moment and not in the room 😎.

Remember I’d also have shown to you that Tyrannosaurus went to a restaurant for dinner with his friends after PRen left the Microsoft Theater together? Nadi managed to find these two tweets, and I asked my boo to contact the first account for having more information: (thanks to both of you 🤩; oh and, the translation is a mix of all three of us 🤭🤣)

We have no visual proof of those stories, but at least they’re two attestations, and we know that the first account, said that Typewriting was at the restaurant at the same time as Camila’s video, while the second one, said that he was at the restaurant while Lo and Mila were in the hotel together, and the latter, confirms what I said and is another proof that proves that while Camren were in the room, Tyro was in a restaurant on his own.

All of this, is what we know for sure. Unfortunately, since after Lo’s podcast with Becky G, many accounts no longer exist, and with them, some proofs of that night. I found another ‘proof’ in which a fan implied that PRen left the club around 12:40 am and that along with other fan friends of theirs, they then went to Mila’s hotel at 1:40 am to ask for her, and that the receptionist told them she wasn’t available because she had a guest. This is the ‘proof’:

I found out that that IG account no longer exists. I managed to find that account’s girl and we tried to contact her to have the confirmation that it was her in the first place, and then eventually ask her about it or if she had concrete proofs of what that fan said, but she unfortunately never replied. But now, why did I write proof in quotes? Because n° 1, there’s no visual proofs, and unlike the previous proof, it’s just an anonymous person who said it. I mean, it’s just words, you know? But more important thing, the n° 2, the thing that makes me think it’s not true, is that whoever that fan who wrote to @itscamrenbish was, said that the club and Mila’s hotel were 30 minutes apart when in reality, it wasn’t true. These are all the distances:

If that fan was telling the truth, then they should’ve known that the club and Mila’s hotel were actually only 15 minutes apart 🤷🏻‍♀️. I truly do believe Laur really went back to Mila after the stunt, but I’m sorry, I don’t believe this fan’s words and times just because they should’ve known the distance between the two places if they really had been at Mila’s hotel reception.

So. Quick recap before leaving you:

The AMA’s started at 5 pm and finished at 8 pm. Lauren got ready at the JW Marriott Hotel and Mila directly at the Microsoft Theater. During the commercial break after Mariah Carey’s performance, PRen left the theater and returned before his performance in the commercial break during which Laur made that little detour to go to Mila. After the performance (6:33 pm), PRen went to the trailer again, and Tara posted that boomerang to let believe that they were leaving the AMA’s, but we know that’s not true. Laur went back to the theater, saw Mila (Consequences, 7:02 pm), took that picture with Raffaella, and left during the commercial break by returning to the trailer (7:20/21 pm) where PRen took that picture with the GD Media Enterprises guy before leaving the AMA’s together. Once outside, they arranged to see each other later, most likely Lo even got her things from the JW Marriott Hotel room where she got ready before the show, and while he left with his friends then eventually to a restaurant, Laur went to Mila’s hotel, the Sunset Marquis (distance between JW Marriott Hotel/Microsoft Theater and Sunset Marquis: 29/30 min), where once arrived, she called room service by dining directly there while waiting for Mila’s return.

After the show (8 pm), after the press (8:15 pm), after having changed by leaving the theater (8:20 pm), and after the pics with fans including the photobombed by Ricardo one, Mila left (8:30 pm) by arriving at her hotel at approximately 9 pm. Once there, Mila changed (Alejandro too), tweeted her thanks to the fans by saying she was going to eat (9:37 pm), and stayed with Laur to celebrate for a while by even recording those two IG stories which, however, she didn’t post right away. After dessert, Lo changed and left the hotel (10 pm) by reaching Typable at the JW Marriott Hotel where they took that selfie with Ricardo (10:27 pm) before heading to dj Dre Sinatra’s birthday party at the Avenue (10:50/11 pm) (distance between JW Marriott Hotel and Avenue: 24/25 min). Meanwhile, Mila was at the Madeo Restaurant (distance between Madeo Restaurant and Sunset Marquis: 13 min) with her parents to celebrate (paparazzi photographed them both when they arrived and when they left), and posted those two IG stories at the same moment that Ricardo posted his selfie with Laur (11:13 pm). After the restaurant, Mila returned to the Sunset Marquis and waited for Laur to reach her after her stunt at the club (distance between Sunset Marquis and Avenue: 15 min).

If you want to believe what that fan implied, then I also add that PRen left the club around 12:40 am, and that by 1:40 am when they together other fans went to ask about Mila at the reception, they were told she wasn’t available because she had a guest.

Aaaaand that’s really all, babies 🥳. I tried to cover really everything for real, but this is all we could find. Obviously if you have other information (must be valid tho) feel free to contact me and I’ll add it to the post 😊.

I would like to thank both @romanticentropy and @mentesimploria again for helping me collect the proofs and making this possible. Thanks, guys 🤗, and I hope you both liked it 🥰. Please give them a virtual round of applause 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼.

After this post that took me really but a really long time, I will take at least a couple of days off before starting to answer the 31 asks in my inbox. Please understand me 😅, and don’t hate me 🙏🏼. Hope you enjoyed it, and see you at the next one 😄. Byyee 👋🏼.

As usual, remember to be nice. Always. Both with others and with yourselves. Be a good example. Be patient. Be safe and take care of yourselves. Don’t let our ship sink. Keep shipping them, but please respectfully 🙏🏼 Sending you virtual love and hugs 🤗🤗🤗 I love you, babies. Always with love, F ❤️

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