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"The endos are spreading propaganda!!"
Huh. Last I checked endogenics weren't spreading a special group of roman catholic cardinals founded in 1622 around but okay
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being a former hardcore anti-endo is wild because i am literally watching how echo chambers get built from the outside. i am watching people not fucking bother to take in really good information because that doesn't serve them being right.
it's to the point where they will act like people who have been studying this probably longer than some of them have been alive are incompetent in service of their point. when multiple therapists and psychologists—especially big names in the field of trauma and dissociation, the people you claim to fucking idolize—are saying "well, why isn't it possible for plurality not to equate to CDDs?", that's not usually MY cue to be like "god everybody is stupid and wrong but me and mine". that's usually my cue to go "maybe i need to understand the nuance of this more. maybe i don't know as much about plurality as i thought".
like maybe i just struggle to understand others but i genuinely do not understand the distinct lack of interest in discussion. and i don't mean the people who think syscourse runs in circles eating its own tail because FUCK ME SIDEWAYS do i ever see it now that i'm learning more.
and for what it's worth, i don't use any syscourse labels. i've talked about it before, but it's just a way for people to determine something about my morality based on whether i think plurality exists outside of CDDs or not. i have my main frustrations with anti-endos but neither side is "good" wrt echo chambers and talking OVER rather than WITH each other. it's not that i can't sympathize, it's not that i don't get it; it's also like it's not allowed to be a frustrating sight to see over and over and over!
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Plural Survey on "The Future is Plural"
I made a plural version of the Thoughts on The Future is Plural survey. <3
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About the introject post
When it comes to how people react to introjects, I’ve found that genuine recovery spaces are the most normal about introjects because it’s understood that introjects/source memories (aka pseudo memories)/believing you are 100% that source is all part of disassociation and barriers in place to ensure that part doesn’t feel connected to the body/wont acknowledge the trauma that occurred as “in this reality” or “to them”
I think so many people forget that all of that are tactics of disassociation and it’s why you shouldn’t push introjects in either direction (source separate or source attach) bcs doing either can cause harm to the person if, in the former instance theyre not in a place that would permit those memories being processed, and in the latter it’s forcing a person to disassociate further and therefore harm the healing they’ve done
Yeah. I don’t really have any good additions to what you’ve said, but I agree with you.
Just letting introjects live and heal the way they want to is the best thing to do, really. They’re an alter too.
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"the future is plural" "the future should be singlet"
what about if you both shut the fuck up and realize that both of yall're talking to a brick wall.
HELP.
"the future is plural" is an pro endo statement, if someone becomes plural they arent doing it by traumatic means. if someone wants to be plural let them fucking stay plural.
"the future should be singlet" is a forced recovery ass sentence. as a did system if you told me i could only exist in a healthy manner as a singlet i'd report your blog and tell you to fuck off.
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Non-Plural Survey
I'm working on a thing for that phrase, "The Future Is Plural," and I wanted some folk's opinions if you'd be willing to share them.
This form is for anyone who does not identify with the term plural.
Feel free to share.
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Hey when I said that we should discuss something other than being pro/anti endogenic I did not mean “let’s invalidate people’s trauma to feel better about my own” wtf
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That also brings me back to the key point of all of this "what qualifies as enough trauma" debate:
Who are you to define it?
Someone else's life -- someone else's experiences -- are solely theirs. Maybe it isn't traumatizing from your perspective, hearing about it second-hand. Maybe a situation you were in that was nearly identical wasn't traumatizing from your perspective. Maybe you were even in the same exact event this individual says is traumatizing, and you don't see it.
Who are you to define it for someone else?
They're wearing different shoes than you; they have different eyes and a different brain. Stop applying your experiences to others.
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Question, what do you gain from saying things like "x can't cause this disorder"? Why do you feel the need to invalidate others' experiences? Who benefits from being told that "x experience can't cause y disorder"? Have you people ever heard of staying in your own lane and minding your own business?
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Here’s some more gold btw
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(I’m super tired so this is gonna be really incoherent, sorry)
I wish introject culture wasn’t as weird as it is.
I don’t really know how to explain what I mean without sounding rude on accident, so I hope this makes some sense. I just wish it was normal to go “they’re an introject” and have no more discussion after that. Not every introject is going to want you to mention that they’re an introject at all. Or reference it in daily life.
We have one part who is an introject, but hates being referred to as one because of how weird some systems are about it. He tried bringing it up one time. All that mattered to people is what his source was. It’s reached a point where he just never tells anyone he’s an introject and just lives.
Yes, some introjects will act very close to their source and still wants to be referred to as one. That's not bad. I’m just asking for everyone to be normal about introjects just saying “I’m an introject” and never mentioning it again, you know
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yeah sure you bash anti endos, but are you normal about endogenic systems and how they're different?
yeah sure, you're pro endo. but how do you feel about willogenic systems?
of course you're pro endo! and you're normal about factives, right?
yes, you're pro endo, and you're totally willing to criticize other pro endos when they're being ableist or otherwise bigoted. right?
you're pro endo, so of course you're here to try and help people understand and not solely slam dunk on anti endos. right? isn't that why you're here?
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i do not care what side of the syscourse argument you are on, if you are fine with aspen saying that "all systems matter" is the system equivalent of "all lives matter" thats a fucking problem. are you kidding me??? you are going to equate "all lives matter", which is a statement that pretends black people dont face racism and danger everyday, to "all systems matter" which is a statement that is about systems wanting to be acknowledged??? black people are literally murdered because of racism and you want to say that "all lives matter" is the same as "all systems matter" and people making posts on tumblr that you dont like. are you fucking kidding me? how the fuck do you get to the point to think thats at all ok. lets pretend for a second that "all systems matter" is actually a bad thing. do you seriously want to say thats comparable to 100s of racial injustice? do you really want to compare that with black people getting murdered by cops for literally just existing? do you seriously think that in any circumstance you should be comparing these things. what the fuck is wrong with you
we are not black so please listen to black and other poc systems. i made this post cause its really important and some of our posts get traction, but please make sure to listen to poc systems voices.
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Sending death threats and telling others to commit harmful acts on themselves is possibly the most childish and stupid thing you could do. Idc who they are, you aren't helping.
Sending death threats to anti-endos is stupid, sending death threats to pro-endos and endos is stupid, sending death threats to radqueers is stupid, sending death threats to anti-radqueers is stupid, sending death threats to proshippers is stupid, sending death threats to anti-proshippers is stupid.
To everyone who does this: you are the definition of a keyboard warrior. You are unbelievably childish and you need to grow up. This ain't second grade just bc its a public platform.
I genuinely hope one day you wake up and feel the guilt for what you did that very much did not need to be done.
Sending these horrible things in anon asks does not make you better. It makes you a spineless asshole who doesn't know how to have a normal damn conversation.
Just because you feel angry and hurt by a community doesn't mean you get an excuse to do this. No one, NO ONE deserves death threats or sui bait.
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I’m sorry I just need to mention this
endo neutrals I DO NOT FUCK WITH YOU LOL
Idrc I just tolerate yall and whatever but know that I really don’t like you guys
The only reason I engage in the debate is to fucking affirm the validity of endos, I’m not “pro conversation” I don’t want to listen to whatever argument is against their validation because it’s all just harmful hateful bullshit
Like why would I want to hear a terfs side when their arguments is just sourced from “I fucking hate these people”
also can’t be neutral on existence sorry lol call me closed minded idc it’s simply set as endos are valid because they are
yeah I’ll discuss studies and shit but in conversation with them it’s just out of malice tbh
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you don't have to respond to this if it'll spoil the joke in the relevant post but also i cannot believe i got rick rolled in 2024. my academic interest has utterly betrayed me lol. well trolled, good tumblr user, i needed a laugh with all the absolute chaos going on.
I’m okay with a response, no worries lol
I knew it would work since rickrolls haven’t been popular in years and nobody would be expecting it. I’m glad you got a laugh out of it anon :]
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Hey syscoursers, I found a pretty recent study regarding endogenic plurality.
I’m wondering about other’s thoughts on it? I have some mixed feelings, so
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