#again i think theres def room for shiv to have a struggle with it of like

[sodrippy]

the thing about shiv and the baby and motherhood is i really dont think she'd care. i dont think she's ever had any interest in those things, in fact she's made it a point to be as far from those things as possible to show her father she's a serious person and as close to one of the boys as she can get. i still think people making digs about her ability to be a mother would be insulting to her insofar as they are meant to insult her, an incredibly prideful person who tries very hard to always be seen as hypercompetent no matter the task.

if anything, i think it might make sense that she found out about the pregnancy before logan died but i truly don't think she'd keep it once he was dead. he's about the only person she would keep the baby for, like she might feel it would give her leverage or sympathy, but once logan is gone the baby honestly is nothing but liability to her. it makes her perceived as less serious about the business it takes her out of the running for ceo or any real power.

i know theres obviously threads of inescapability as with every character in the show, and the ways in which shiv has tread on other women to get where she is yet cannot help being entrapped by the same things as those women, but i also feel like there's just something. i dont want to say misogynistic but the way shows sort of inevitably use motherhood as an intrinsic humanity-finder, like see she's a decent person she's keeping the baby she's not heartless, or whatever, is so flat and reductive, to me.

also of course, they might have done it with more nuance if it was yknow. actually planned and written in from the start of the season.

#i think there are ways in which it could have been interesting #like if we actually got to see her grapple with it and figure out if she was keeping the baby or not #that could have been something but as it stands i think its so unnecessary and...yeah flat #but at the end of the day i really dont think she gives a fuck and i am really sick of seeing any Woman character fall into this motherhood #-thing esp when its characters who you know would be unaffected by it #again i think theres def room for shiv to have a struggle with it of like #dreams she used to have for herself and expectations her family enforced vs what shes already given up to come this far etc right #but the way shes all gutpunched about people saying she'd be a bad mother i think is like. idk the way its been done is left wanting yk? #succession #actually i think an interesting true to character way might even have been her changing her mind and keeping the baby out of spite- #-in direct response to what tom says in the tailgate fight #i would feel thats more realistic for her to have decided not to keep the baby but then bc tom goes out of his way to make that comment #and to make her hurt she keeps the baby to show him what a great mother she will be. all without him! #and then of course. the cycles. #that would have been more honest i think than whatever theyve done instead