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padme-amitabha · 2 years
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Why do you not like Ahsoka?? I mean she’s more interesting than Padme, and Padme never gets referenced in the original trilogy, there’s a reason the final fight in rotj is between Vader and Luke with the emperor in the background and not Padme talking to Vader about how she loves him and all of that, plus Ahsoka is just badass and likeable, Padmes only cool in tcw imo, outside of that she’s kinda boring imo, no better than a character like Rey or Snoke imo, she also has baffling dialogue
Why do you not like Ahsoka?
Must we all conform and like her?
I mean she’s more interesting than Padme,
Subjective.
and Padme never gets referenced in the original trilogy,
Well, Ahsoka doesn't even exist in the movies until Filoni created her in 2008 and casually inserted her into Star Wars.
there’s a reason the final fight in rotj is between Vader and Luke with the emperor in the background and not Padme talking to Vader about how she loves him and all of that,
Because the emperor is alive and she isn't...? And she isn't force-sensitive to appear as a ghost. She may just be Vader's ghost and anything she says to him will be said only to him. We are following Luke's story. We as the audience don't know Vader would be redeemed and specifically what is going on inside his head. Again, even in ROTJ novelization before Padme even appeared Vader thinks of his wife and that she was very dear to him. Where was Ahsoka again in any of this?
plus Ahsoka is just badass and likeable,
And boring on her own because her story is mostly reliant on Anakin. What is she except Anakin's padawan? We don't see anything else of her except being a Jedi. Padme isn't just a politician. She served in public service as a kid, got elected as a Queen, had things happening to her, had a love life (with Anakin), has her own values and beliefs that weren't taught to her, and has plans and hopes for things outside her work. Ahsoka is a Jedi and can fight with a big plot armor. Totally makes her more likable.
Padmes only cool in tcw imo, outside of that she’s kinda boring imo,
See, that just means you prefer to see her as a Senator and you see Ahsoka as a Jedi. That's going for character stereotypes, rather than the characters themselves. TCW Padme is horrible, unlikable and completely different from her actual character. Filoni had to butcher her to make his pet more likable in comparison and casually insert her into the prequel trio because we all like our own things. He is so "attached" that he can't even kill her. Well GL created the others and let Anakin, Padme, and Obi-Wan die as they were supposed to so the story could be meaningful.
For all of her badassery, it was Luke's (and Padme's) love that redeemed Vader and saved the galaxy. Ahsoka like obi-wan and Yoda failed to turn him back and just went into hiding from him lol. Doesn't seem very brave to me. And when there are two Jedi who failed what was the point of her again? She was pointless as far as the Skywalkers were concerned. I wouldn't mind if she had her own story independent of the skywalkers but Anakin being 20 and assigned an even younger padawan makes no sense. Obi-Wan was older than ROTS Anakin when he trained him. No wonder Ahsoka likes to strut around like she's Anakin junior. It's stupid, unoriginal, and annoying. We didn't need a kid for SW to be relatable.
no better than a character like Rey or Snoke imo,
Rey is the Mary Sue of the sequels and Snoke is a background villain. Yes, totally equivalent to the mother of Luke and Leia who inherited a lot of her qualities that helped them become the heroes they were, a Queen and senator from her planet, the main character in the first movie and a part of the actual prequel trio. Padme was always going to be part of star wars. There's old concepts before she was even named and she was present in a completely different, older version of Star War. There was no padawan kid named Ahsoka Tano and she certainly didn't change anything in the Skywalker Saga aside from adding pointless filler.
she also has baffling dialogue
Maybe you don't understand her character well and TCW's dialogue is easier for you?
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The Clone Wars         Duchess of Mandalore
                Season 2 Episode 14
......
You know      I want to believe     this is going to be an episode    focusing     on Duchess’s actual character        . . . .      But the track record     of writing female characters    (Never mind blam   ing trauma for their personality )
Doesn’t     leave     much       Good      Faith      Or     trust       . .          (especially how often their    Characterization gets to     Ret-conned.   to fit the     episode,)
(Padme turned into a nag,               Ahsoka      In     unchildlike     abomination       that goes with a plot needs    her       to)
Duchess;
From     Relat     iv-ely        Reas        On      Able     Leader         .  .   .       Turned        exquisite          and       Ex-      - cess         -ive         (Pe        tty)
Con      trast-      With      Semi-     Constant      Smart   “laziness”       avoidant      Obi-wan       And     “Do      It     Sky   wal   -ker-
 I don’t expect this to     stick
     (Al-ways     the female  characters,”
Any. Way
And war,  truth is the first casualty,
[It’s actually   accountability    but good try]
 Deluding them selves of the     goodness usually comes after the bad action
 Any way.
The     terribly designed ship
(I’m sorry but that thing doesn’t even look even slightly      aerodynamic) 
(The shark    ship at least had that)
   ?
[it was one apparent smoke bomb and she wasn’t allowed to        do anything to try and fix it,]
  But sure...    let’s go with that        .      Allies
[Never got a feel for that and    one dude was always    snarking at her,] No  shit 
everyone can see that
And     it was one dude
  [They haven’t     heard of this yet]
 [This plot-     isn’t very good]
Right     -      ok now they’re   im-portant-
 Sit and and wait 
 As Duchess makes her case that this is just one splinter group that she can handle
Some thing you wouldn’t think would     need a trial
[Only     becoming a problem when it affects other people]
        [suffering from the Luminara               problem, where if she doesn’t meet up to      high unreasonable standards.             In an unreasonable               amount of time                    (Little)                     Instantly lambasted by         her colleagues.                             With the     nar-rative showing no signs of painting this is wrong                                Or the fact of the   male characters can feck around     screw       everything       up,        And that   isn’t considered      serious
    [Narrative’s              a           Cheater. .)
        How long
These are   actual good evil minions    
(No this could actually be good with them becoming something like the clone troopers to the, Darkside
   Making up for a lack        of human faces in the ranks         up to this point,
   Establishing that while they may be the          instigator of tox,          Actions are about   ~now~          Less abhorrent than the     Empire’s            /       Coun-       cil-
‘the       Plot,’
 Completely irrelevant
   (And stupid)
Relying on everyone   being a complete       un-     accountable-       Idiot.
  Great plan you got there      Dooku,
 How’s Duchess’s explaining that’s-not-at-all-what-happened-and-we-don’t need a foot hold and all security,     going?
Like you think he’d be more mad   Considering what seems like the only plot,          Intercepting the        vehicle in transit,         Failed       horribly,
   Unless, the guys didn’t tell     him - And he still thinks they have      Duchess -which would make     sense...because of course they sent troops for the lost     foreign    leader
    (Would’ve been a     good episode for both        of them)
    (Not sure that would cause      a riot though-)
   (-Which would make sense if Obi-Wan was the last         one they saw around here-      Thinking, that a Jedi      captured their leader,
]
 But I’m getting ahead of myself      let’s focus on the       actual plot.    .
Whoa rows
To Coursant
I thought you just said to    . . .sit still and leave.
         What?                ...     
          What
Oh so we’re focusing on another     cliché plot instead of the actual characters
  (*Note;           Cliché             As              in              a           badly        established           already       done plot              . . .           There’s        nothing          wrong           with          doing         repeat          plot           so           long                as         you          do        them         well
    What you bring     into it is the fun part           (Ideally)
     Aight?
      How?
They’re just         there
Also yeah you already know that there there you already know what they’re doing you still haven’t done anything about it
    So?
      [I was about to say where is the courier guy     but he’s dead]
     R.I.P shortly lived villain          Killed off for a shitty       written romance-
 -He deserved         better
    Ok
  Whatever 
    Why
 [i’ve seen that image multiple times        but I never realized the city was in the ball
     [also how is this the palace     where several important officials meet         And the nice forest is supposed to be this            mining hell hole
The environments-           They’re-
  So yeah we know it’s there, but like last time we’re not going to do anything about it
   [like I said Saltine did get back at some point and          everyone’s logic was just ok let’s go complain to the council        for no reason,]
           [I     dislike this logic)
          Why?
           Just...?            Why
             Also yeah who’s in charge     while she’s away?
               I mean we’ve already got like a lot of      senators’ sus
    What?
    Things         Happen          Ing
    Also yeah palace   right back to the way it was,
    I guess it was a smoke       bomb. .
   Right?
    You left     the Boomer in control?
     Also, so yeah I’m surprised he didn’t run out to be a     mastermind either
     Like, yeah        That        can happen
  But given the      “legacy and proud of everything      thing,”
     You’d think he’d be the main target
    [Makes a lot more sense than Random     Sen   ator       #4
   And he was the only one in that     hallway with Obi-Wan-
 -
During their   argu-     ment-
Prime      Minister-      It      Makes      Sense          -
You found     the deathwatch     armies         -    isn’t   hard         -           It   was like five guys last time
Now just like them, you have allowed, the situation       to get worse
Good job     smart guys.
Battle
Really because they seem like the same group of nerds
?
What?
??...
   ?
  Deathwatch will never be strong enough
 Yeah, no shit  
 Guess you      shouldn’t do anything stupid
     [how long until something           stupid happens?]
       Beyond          the normal               . . .
       Here
Seriously how does this   plan make any sense?
Jedi- come here      - everyone-         Loses         their         shit  
  How?                - like      I know it be unpleasant to have some guys     stomp into              Your               House
         But there’s literally no need for     that..
    Considering         the situation            isn’t out of control
     And       Satine should be fully capable of handling the situation
       - And telling the Senate to feck off
       - And don’t tell me he’s doing this because she’s       passive because he’s been everything but passive in defending her passive beliefs,
   [Something        not really      elaborated          on]
  Stop
  NOT BE        AN IDIOT!
  Also,
    [I really don’t like this      plot        it makes no sense,”.     ]
Whelp-
  Fuck-
  That        Got        Dark-
[but possibly make sense if this is how she   sees members of the republic,        As a dark   brooding force that will hurt everyone if     she’s not careful,
Significant deadly threat
How?
They-     smoke bombed one building
[That’s   juvenile]
  [The situation is not out of control]
 In the narrative’s attempt to over blow this isn’t done     ,correctly
   You need to have         self     aware     ness.
Bumper cars
Good
[Also you had to come to the      Senate to say that]
(This could’ve been an email)
  Or a photo       op/        State       -ment-
    ?
  Duchess why did you come here   you knew they were going to pull this shit
Like this helped     nothing
And the narrative,
What was a good     situation that was supposed to come out of this?
You stand before a council of people who decided to fight, saying I don’t fight
   [ and these are toxic people         mind you]
There was   no way this is going to end up good;
And I don’t.. know what the     narrative?
Padme?
Also what is with the weird bumper car      rules?
Because it seems like anyone can come up at any time and ask   any question?
    [Like,      how is that not chaos?]
   Wo rking under           toxic assumed authority.       .
 “People-
   ‘ I call to the stand        Obi-Wan (Kenobi)          and Anakin             Of the Jedi         order, to      provide testament,”
      That’s all    that had to be said..
        On top              of;
“My government will submit to peace keepers   actual peace keepers -      Un-armed-        For        Eval     -uation,’
   That would make sense
 And work off     Satine’s      Ad-       vers         Ion-         To Obi-Wan,    and the Jedi Council,
   True
  Dick,
  -Jedi
Yeah, she didn’t reject, she allowed the Jedi to do a full   investigation,
Also as     brutal as the scene is,    it is a good show of you     reap what you   sow       and enablers  turning on a enablers
 Even though Satine   should’ve known better than     to argue peace     with a war   council...
Obi-won      says   nothing         . . .
  Fuck        You          (Good)
     Bad         Ass
    Lots of politicians            speaking,
     Wait-
     Dick-
   Appro      priate-
   Ser-iously       touching         someone     without         their        consent?
       Dick       entitled         move.
   Spec.    Ifically.
   After        he      stood        by       and    watched      that     happened     -       Senate          -         Yeah cause you were there       and you did nothing
Better;
  Saltine calls Obi-Wan as a witness        (Both Obi-Wan and the others.        (Anakin) standing watch      over her       home planet
    They failed to respond         due to being in the middle of some thing
   Or just distracted
    This makes looks     Satine          Look     extremely        bad,           That           Jedi            are            not     Re-sponding           On         her home planet
     The vote gets passed
    Satine is more than     distressed
    When Obi-Wan     Coms her                  In
       They            argue,           Satine           Sni,pping.               A.                Bro-ken           Promise
        “You said            you’d be there              for me                (This                Time)]
    “You’re never there when I need you,”
   “You’re never there when it         matters          most,”
       With that,        the conversation ends
       Satine possibly getting ready to defend herself against the   republic
     Coming to invade   her home
        Im-bittered               Sweet
Didn’t help at all but    okay,
We’re friends
 Good
[To be fair        the romance was so forced,      that friendship is honestly best,]
Ah,         Lady,           You just got a friendship last   block,
  No need   to act       surprised.
  Nothing        More
    Good because there was no chemistry    between you      up to this point,
   State of mind  
  ....
  What?
  What state of mind?
  ...
 She’s       fine!
  Yeah she      over reacted to the dude
   But - got everything together when it         mattered-
   THANK YOU!
 That was an         asinine statement
    Hysterical
No   they wouldn’t be
That isn’t a   compliment.
That’s      Invalidation.
  Dick   Obi-Wan
  Point!
  So much  
point in this!  
  I am so  
pleased.. 
 (Though
   regular,”    
 I only - 
 Gas-    
lighting
 “I’m-  
 Yes!
  Mhm
This is some  
Bomb ass tea
De-licious
(I just realized       my phrasing           of words             I’m so-)          
     It’s good is the point
(Doesn’t it make up what happened in the   previous episodes,     
   But,           Makes                it           easier            to              forget                        . . .    
 Accoun-           tability                 -                 Is        the     word        you’re        looking         for        (The    character,       not       the     writer,”)        They’re          doing          good                   .    ... You   live with a child       groomer          (Are           One)
Does make sense.  Obi-won closest to the problem       (Groomed       specifically       in benefit of it)            Still sad      that they just gave up
     Even if he does   have a point   That Two generations    have essentially         grown up          Anakin        and   their time   as the present     is over
   Bit too late to have a     regrets
    (Only   when it   screws      you over..
  Not      the     future   generations)
    And...
    My     sympathy        is    officially       gone         (Not       the   storytelling’s      fault,             I         think       they           work      -ed       this   conversation      pretty         well            -          Just         the        facts          to        narcs          arguing              -             Still         made          me           think        about         what       exactly         what         was        wrong             -           That’s       good       (narc)Con   versation,
Any way,
  I love       this song
   Obi-Wan gets roasted for all his bad         behavior 2.0...
  It’s nice
Crusade
This   Convo was good
      (It made me feel better about all the times the   writers used cheating tactics)
        *Not for                      giv-ed
just- better
?
[That expression-   was concerning]
 There
Aight
That-      Was-
  Chilling
[You just spent the whole time getting yelled out      for his deeds, just continued on,    emotion     less]
The       “respectable”          kind       (Approp-riate       for an           adult)
Aight
  [Oh- no are they going to have the Obi-won rescue her and that proves that all her opinions are wrong?
 Not actually; she made some really good   points
  But in the       narrative   treating?
    (I don’t    want to see     that)
Okay,    whelp,
Coursant has the   worst security ever,
  How?
Damn      Frick
  Is a     bad day for her,
  Filed
Some random dude   hijacked your car
Who are you going to     sue?
Bitch
Queenie,     dude’s obviously an asshole
Leave
Also if there was no proof then why aren’t you charging her for vandalism terrorism, etc?
(See his logic is       bullshit,)
also this is a good example of   obstructive   bureaucrat          . . .
    Or avoidant
Because how do three people       nearly dying not constitute as proof?
   [Like if she       died.]
   Also, what’s the plan      if she did?
   Like; Oh yeah deathwatch is such a threat that they killed     a senator
     Those     dudes      don’t care
They only pissed at her because she’s a pacifist coming into  a      Offensive summit
  Accident
[she accidentally    drove her car.     [Yelling      at the     villain]
Not     what      she   said
This dude could give     Obi-Wan a run      for his gas lighting,
   Whelp
    Fuck         Off
     Oh yeah the council   of war mongers will really respect the       pa-   cifist
No bias     here
None   whatsoever
Satine 
   Hey    at least this time he had the   common decency not to      grab her-
 dick
  ?
Oh yeah defender of the   gaslight-ing committee  she’ll definitely help
Worry     You
Don’t give into the gaslight-
Also guilt tripping
 “ i’m afraid on that account,”
   No,
 Dick
 Valid     re-ac-     tions
 Shit-
“Victim   blaming”       (Toxic    blaming)
    Pretty sure     they’re all enablers      at this point
        Tox-
Ma’am
Leave the   ball of tox     known as Obi-Wan
Man has turned from a     garbage fire      to a         gas       fire,
Coursant
  Yeah,       you should leave,
  Also,        That       Moment,
    You        are        one         of         them.
    You’re not   backing down
     👉       This       Not,
Con
Don’t listen to     Obi-Wan      He     sucks
Also none of the guards are going to zap him for     touching their queen     unannounced?       - - - Friends
You’re not her   friends
You’ve been   nothing      but a dick
   Gas       lighting
    Nope
    Tox.
   [like listen to that   ag-gressive tone,          How he’s holding     her
        Tox
    [Still   good on the animators who did that scene,          Very good            work,]
     Occ-upation
          Shit
        Happen
Oh     Shit-
Obi-won     distracted         her?
   Aight
 Meeting
   What
    How-
Hm,
Wait-      Huh
[this is some kangaroo Court      logic
   It’s        Good.]
    Before
  “Relying on the Republic is a mistake,”
    Yesssss
      More           Acc-        Toxic      initiative         (Since there’s         no to         little         way         they         end             this)            Based               on       circumstance            only             (No            different          sources)
       Any-way                Um
          Okay
           Right                      Just                Vibin’g
          Aight              Whelp,
           Am                 I?
Oh is that the           Senator             guy?
Death   watch?
Also-      okay
Al-     right.
   ?
  Wait        What?
     Hm?
    Green
      We know       two greens             And one   changeling            That should be in   custody- 
     Wait-           ?
       ?
     What?
      ? ? ?
    EXPLAIN
        ?
      Who-
      What
        ?
       At-
    This was a pretty a’ight episode
     (Trust me I wish      I could give it higher praise)
   However the           unfortunate           clankiness of the introduction
           Keeps it stubbornly between a decent          and good
       With that            being            said;
           That does not        take away from the fact that is           a ____ whatever it is
    -it has good characterization         for Satine
   - it handles heavy morals like enabling, tox,       abuse and        pro-         blems      With        Assumed           Autho rity-     Includ        Ing       Police          Bru-       tality        And        Fram       -ing          Very        Well
   (With the   appro-       priate       dignity it deserves,
 [there’s a small bit of better done romance/      fond-ness, near the           End]
   *Villain was neat
   [More of sidious      and on the [Main] villains
     There           were             few         Moments            that            Made              Me              Go              Wtf            (Obi              Wan’s          Abuse                  Of               The              Word               “Saw                 You,”                  The               Insist              Ence                 That               Death               Watch                Was              In                  Tim                   i-                dating
            As                For                Fix                -ing;
Episode;  Instead of to defend,   Wise        Saltine is called                           To ident       ify a               Death                           Watch                         Member-                             Or                             Re                             New                              Her                              Neu-                             Trality                             Pledge                               In                              Person                             (Due to                              Change     ling    (Over       Lap)                           Attack
                         Episode                               Pro                               Gress                                  Es
Arc     Fixes;
          Obi- won delivers news, that he’s supposed             to escort              her             Pers               On                 Ally,                Saltine expects everything to go over    swimmingly after all she hasn’t done anything wrong,                 Quickly find out otherwise,                Loyalty over her              vs the government  
           Leads to a small                break               (Episode continues as   normally)
            (Death watch-                 if want)
     Fix        Arc       Continue;        (Note no offense to the author meant     I just started some thing and I should finish it as an     accountable      writer)
  Satine          Is        Forced          Into        Either      Defend        Ing        Or     Leaving         Anakin         To        Her         Irate        People,        Soon         After      Obi-won’s        In-       Cid       ent           Pri     med
Hope      Spot        Or      Depres.       Further.     Push          Ing           Ana     -kin’s       Dec-       Ision        To      Snap)     End
[Generally I thought this was a pretty       ____ episode, the animation and set design will really good/      On par and it seems to have made up.      (Corrected)        A majority of flaws      I had with previous       episodes              . . .        Moving               On...
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