#if they sticked to drawing thin anime girls with Eurocentric features

[kjzx]

An important thing to remember as an artist that started out drawing characters crudely and then started learning the fundamentals, at first your art will not look nice.

At first, drawing faces and bodies in different positions will make your characters look weird, then poor perspective will make your characters look weird, and finally when all the kinda things I mentioned above will be dealt with, just the hype of finally knowing how to draw anatomy will bite you in the ass because you can do all these things, you can draw them correctly or close to that, but whether that's figure drawing knowledge gaps, or awkwards poses/composition, or just not a very harmonious combination of realism and stylization in facial features or in general, but your before and after pictures might get this look of "clear objective technical improvement but many would consider it a downgrade"

That's a very common thing. I used to be in this before/after art community, and it was so toxic it was a meme within the community that no matter how much you've improved there will be people that will say that the before is better. There's a seed of truth to these words though, what they fundamentally get wrong is this implication that you "ruined your art"

That's a big example of why you shouldn't listen to non-art people for art advice. Keep going. You're closer to your art dreams than you ever were, you just need to look into all these things like the remaining knowledge gaps or personality to your art you might've lost as you were on your anatomy grind.

Keep creating, keep looking at art that inspires you and try to think of how to make yourself like your art better. Don't get stuck on it, if it begins being unfun, please do take a breather. Also, none of that is objective, people will still prefer things different to what you find beautiful. It's alright, create what you like, that's what this post is about. If you don't wanna, don't focus on aesthetics, just the process of creating art is fun and will eventually get you in the right place, that's what I do, I just occasionally throw in things I like and sometimes they work. Take care.

These are my current thoughts on the topic. I wouldn't take them too close to heart, this is just a blogging site and I'm blogin 👍

#Art #Art tips #Art community #Art advice #Technicality wise I have a very very long way to go #But as someone who finally started seeing and incorporating what I genuinely Like in my art it's a bit like opening my art #folder or sketchbook and kind of getting a feeling like I'm on a page of an artist I like and would actually follow #(Not bc of how I currently handle posting my art and how I choose pieces to post but I'm talking about my art archives so regardless) #An insane feeling #Also!!!!! #I chose not to include it in the post because it stood out against the main point of the post #but what the so-called Tumblr art style is all about is kind of related to this #Most of the people you'll see if you google Tumblr artstyle would have 'passable' or even 'decent' art #if they sticked to drawing thin anime girls with Eurocentric features #Current art idea floating around or almost like an unspoken rule: #If you wanna draw fat people/non Eurocentric features/disabilities or any minorities you gotta be a level above the people drawing today's #conventional beauty standards to be considered an equal to them among *gestures vaguely* #I hate that but that's something you have to keep in mind as you deal with art criticism #And as opposed to that #By harmonious in this post I mean very vague ideas and the many many ways you can stylize a real person #These are two ideas you can't detach from each other entirely but I do believe that we can discuss them separately #Just because a good drawing of an ethnic minority is going to be judged harsher than an opposite of that doesn't make it the worse drawing #Again that's why you gotta dismiss opinions of people who don't draw well and by that I'm obv talking artists better than me #Just getting that out of the way #//rambles #My thoughts on this whole topic inspired by this tweet that called the Tumblr art style too ambitious for the artists' skills and that #if anything that's something that should be praised in people #I thought that's a very interesting topic in a wider sense #I strayed away from it but as you might've noticed I wrote a post on the topic in the tags anyways #Sigh

[uninformedartist]

About that Velvet post usually when people say "black features" they usually mean lips and hair yeah but sometimes body type I don't know if you mean that as well but let black ladies be petite cuz people make them thick all the time and let them have thin lips represent those poor made fun of thin tall thin lips black girls I remember in high school a black chick who was tall and lanky with slightly thin lips would always be upset with 2 others blacks always making fun of her so I don't mind Velvet

Also we don't get to see everyone's skin color cuz all them bitches got fur or leather colored skin 😂 idk not an attack btw in case you see it that way I know a lot of people take things offensively on the internet due to lack of tone

Hey, thank you for the ask this is my first ask and I'm not really good at this sort of thing but. What I ment by post by black features is that Velvette as a character especially that designed by Viv has the same facial features as her white characters like Charlie or Cherri, one could recolour her skin as milk white as Charlie and you would think she's a white character, not to mention her hair texture, like I said Viv had the opportunity to delve more into creating black hair texture for her. Her skin tone is also not an acurate depiction of a back character (setting aside she's a demon) the colour itself is reminiscent of black/darker skin tone sensorship in media (one sees it mostly in anime or recently genshin impact) and it is so degrading to any black person or dark skinned person to see media to see their rich skin tone reduced to an ashey tone, my friend said is reminiscent of skin bleaching which she herself had it done on her as a child, its reaching maybe but the connotations are there especially since it was pointed out by my black friend. To the body type I'm skinny myself, and I'm not dictating how a character's body type should be, you get skinny black girls I know that and cool but I ment this in the general scheme of Hazbin Hotel, there is not one plus size main character (Not including Mimzy as she is a background character or won't be in the show anymore). Viv has over the years not broken from her comfort zone of making skinny stick or slim thick character's, thats basically the 2 body types she draws and both are skinny essentially (slim thick is quite difficult to get naturally, its achievable but is considered being thin by black woman/ other women of colour. This I have consulted with many of my black friends and sister as many do naturally development a fatter tummy with having bigger breast and bottom, I can mostly justify this as this is my sister's body shape so she's my first hand knowledge. She is also currently trying to get "thinner" by loosing her mid section so there is that).

Also I'm from Africa so the black features I'm used to seeing can vary quite drastically to African American black people's features so sorry I can't really speak on African American black people since I'm not there lol, I'm not African American and I'm actually a coloured South Africa thats white presenting. That post was mostly stirred up by my sister and black friends who were discussing Hazbin hotel and its representation. I basically just vented my frustration but its stemmed heavily from theirs too. Sigh, in all of this I do want to end on saying that Viv is without a doubt from all evidence comfortable drawing mostly eurocentric characters featuring eurocentric features but just slaps on a "dark/ black" skin tone. Her art will never straytoo far from its confort zone. Most people want more from her because she can give more especially since Hazbin hotel could've had other designer input but no its her show and vision so its only limited to her limited design characteristics that she likes to draw and see.

Sorry if its a ramble I'm not again good at this sort of thing but I took no offence to your question thank you for asking again, my tone can come off harsh in my postings haha.

Also I need to say this not to you but because I got in hot water before, I'm very comfortable referring to black people as black people, that is who they are and I live in a multi racial and cultural country so I got no shame in saying things how it is, and just talking the way I talk, English isn't my 1st language so sorry if anything sounds off.

#hazbin hotel velvet #hazbin hotel critique #hazbin hotel critical