#inspired by me figuring out how the alchemy system works after 2 and a Half playthroughs because of roleplay reasons. yeah.

[jahiera]

thinking... something about how lakhesis and gale are on wholly opposite ends but on the same exact spectrum in terms of ... isolation and loneliness, and craving true connection but both bumble awkwardly through it but the moment you realize the other person actually enjoys being around you you express that delight almost ardently and cling to it with both hands. anyways he likes to cook and she knows 40 different poisons + bombs that will kill you very badly. we are caring for each other but in very different ways.

#I'm not exactly interested in the Protection Trope as a Trope insomuch as I am EXTREMELY COMPELLED when two very #socially ostracized and/or socially isolated individuals fall face first into each other and choose to keep on #Caring about each other. on purpose and all that. #they're not mirrors but they ARE stepping on the same sort of paths #AUCK. AUCK. #inspired by me figuring out how the alchemy system works after 2 and a Half playthroughs because of roleplay reasons. yeah. #playing bg3

[incarnateirony]

If you had the chance to ask Dabb if he was intentionally using hermeticism/alchemy/gnosticism (spelling?) would you?

I mean not really. If I were to sit down with Andrew Dabb, I wouldn’t ask it at all. Kinda ridiculous from my POV. I’d sit down and ask why, and who introduced the idea, not *if* it was being used. Asking *if* it was being used at our current junction would be like sitting down with Kripke and asking if he intentionally used biblical inspirations. It’s fairly absurdist when you know the source text to do so and it subsumes the entire show (most flagrantly S4-5 on the christian lensing.)

Like, it’s everything from the story structure, the cosmogeny, various dogmatic quotes straight out of famous/key sources, various books Sam has had in study piles nearby, major imagery, names of temporary villains and challenges, you name it.

How that’s different from S4-5 story structure, cosmogeny, various dogmatic quotes straight out of famous/key scripture, times the bible was being studied, crosses in the background, or names of villains and challenges, I’m very unclear.

Hell, back in Kripke era they weren’t naming episodes after associated critical dogmatic/philosophical ideas routinely nor applying color coding based on the path, so rack that up in Dabb era’s favor on why it’s not even something to ask.

It’s similar to the weird expectation that gayness has to prove or question itself more than straightness, which comes with some weird concept of straight supremacy. Christian culture has similar ramifications.

But no. I wouldn’t ask him If. I would sit down and get straight down into the fine details like who proposed it, who on crew practices it with the naturalized lens it has (seriously I would bet a whole month’s income on one person on crew being a magister or adeptus of some related path with how well executed it all is), which specific denominations if any they were pulling their reads from beyond general gnostic/hermetic dual paths, etc. 

For years now, and I do mean years, the various SPN games I’ve run have religiously predicted show elements throughout Dabb era. My S12 plot rolled around S13. My S13 plot rolled around S14. My S14 plot– you get the idea.

So there’s four options here.

1. I’m a psychic who is hiding my ability and not winning the lottery to keep my cover

2. I’ve had script leaks for like 4 years

3. I’m the smartest goddamn meta person in the history of ever (protip: I’m not)

4. Dabb is using the same playbook.

I didn’t do it on purpose, it’s the same style of playbook I’ve always incorporated due to my natural lens. I didn’t expect SPN to suddenly onboard it in its end days. Hell when it first started happening I started flipping the fuck out because I didn’t catch at first he was straight-up using the same book and didn’t let myself believe it until mid-S-14. But it is what it is lmao

And I don’t mean vague like “I predicted the Darkness would show up lolol bc darkness” I mean straight up full plot runs, associations, even dialogue used in the show or the introduction of certain entities. Belphegor made people that know me shit their pants top to bottom. Chuck. Blossom. Marriage. Ouroboros. Serpent bearer. Cages. Matrixes. other shit older than that, I could go on for a small eternity but it’d sound like I’m bragging and that’s well beyond the point, because realistically, it’s not worth /bragging/ about as much as admitting: I’m not actually some kind of super genius, I’ve just naturalized into this for decades of my life long before anybody was arguing about gay angels.

Several years ago I introduced Hermes referencing himself as Baal Peor, while using the alias Jack (which I quickly had to change, thanks S12) “Oh, everybody says Hermes is younger than Apollon, like it’s a fact, like I wasn’t some protoindoeuropean god of giant penises and outcroppings of stone long before anybody was ever speaking greek.” and “Everyone calls Dionysus a god of fertility, when’s the last time you saw your grapes bumping and grinding in the vineyard? I am THE god of the dick, three actually, one for each ‘path’. If your flocks are many you know what they did down at the watering hole. Hell, sometimes they’d just carve a dick, if they didn’t have time to carve a whole dude.”

Everyone lauded how well he’d work in the show. I said, “nahhhh, if he’d been introduced years ago, sure, but this late in the game they’d use one of his christianized/demonized aspects and he’d be a contagonist turned antagonist dead within three episodes.”

Belphegor: Sup

Did this video seem sassier than normal? There’s a reason

Like is this meta or is this an RP fanvid at this point, what is the difference, please let me out of this box. I DONT LIKE IT ANYMORE

Literally my first livetweet on the fucking season be like

When 15.09 aired and me and my Dean ran screaming yelling “HOLY SHIT WE JUST WATCHED FRIDAY HAPPEN ON TV TOP TO BOTTOM AAAAAAAA” it just was what it was (Friday being the nickname of a famous RP advent/day from like a season and a half ago)

So again it just is what it is, and it’s far wider spread than I think people not in the given tradition can wrap their heads around.

I literally just left like 3 group chats I’ve been in for the past several years because I’ve reached my wits end with casual microaggressions or dismissals or intentional bad faith readings which essentially turn into attacks on the faith itself while people say it’s about their reading of the show, or turn around and accuse dogmatic behavior simply for pointing out the base cords that are wall to wall in S15 and how it’s driving the overall story notes of the show the same as you would christian stuff in S5. Can’t deal with it anymore. 

I’m so far past asking *if* it’s what they intended. I’m just done being exposed to supposed friendlies still trying to dismiss that it *is.* It’s one thing to not understand it all. That’s fine. I don’t expect people to understand it all. It’s a whole other kettle of fish to dismiss it out of hand because it’s not what you want and slap it away. This fandom loses their shit when it’s done over queer content to queer people with queer lenses but there’s literally nobody to play defense or protect us when it’s done to people who have their entire lives vested in a belief system that this fandom runs around shitting all over persistently, slapping down, insulting, intentionally reading in the worst light without any good faith attempts at figuring out what the invested party is saying, etc. SKDJfskjdfs I’ve been about half a hair from ragequitting fandom over it tbh.