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tokiro07 · 1 year

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On the inverse of that post about Homestuck negation abilities; classpects for Negators.

Fuuko: bard of light

Juiz: Prince of Light

Sean: Heir of Void

Andy: Prince of Doom

Rip: something of Life

Latla: Mage of Light

Billy: Lord of Blood

As it happens, I was thinking about this shortly after the other post myself

The Classpects leave a lot of room for interpretation since most are so ill-defined, so the answers I came to were a bit different, albeit similar

Fuuko, Rogue of Light - while she isn't necessarily redistributing the luck she negates, she is taking away the target's luck with the intention or goal of making the world as a whole better; she is using luck for the betterment of others, a direct interpretation of the Rogue Class. Bard works conceptually as she is a more passive cause for destruction through bad luck, but Fuuko herself doesn't fulfill a destructive role in the context of Undead Unluck itself, and in fact makes an effort to remove the fatal element of Unluck through her training and reinterpretation of her Rule. Also Bards are typically a gendered class and I don't want Fuuko to wear a codpiece

Andy, Knight of Doom - a Knight weaponized their Aspect, and Andy literally uses his own death as a weapon. A Prince actively destroys or causes destruction with their Aspect, so that does work perfectly well for Andy as well, but I think it would be more fun if Victor were the Prince and Andy were the Knight

Juiz, Knight of Mind, Thief of Blood - Mind, the Aspect commonly associated with justice, reason and decision-making, is the perfect target for Unjustice, as Juiz takes what the target believes and values and weaponizes it against them. Alternatively, because Unjustice often forces betrayal, one can view her as stealing the bonds between friends for her own benefit, making her a Thief of Blood

Rip, Prince of Life - man is destroying life, plain and simple

Billy, Lord of Blood - I have to give you credit on that one, that's a brilliant interpretation of Billy's character. Lords are an active Class that, through their own Aspect, undergo intense suffering for the sake of their growth as leaders; Billy is a leader of men whose ability is dependent not on fostering friendships but on incurring animosity. I suppose he could also be a Prince, but either way, Blood is the perfect Aspect for Unfair

Shen, Thief of Mind - Shen steals and inverts the intentions of others, typically for his own benefit

I could go on, but there are so many characters and so many combos for concepts that, as I said, are ill-defined at best that it really would take me all day, and sadly I have other plans that need attending to

If I were still in my Homestuck phase, I'd probably be more willing to dedicate a lot of time to this, but sadly/thankfully I am not, so I'm going to call it here before I accidentally reawaken the long-dormant Horrorterrors living in the depths of my Mind-hoodied soul

#undead unluck #homestuck #negatorstuck

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tokiro07 · 1 year

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Since I noticed you at least know about homestuck could I ask you for your thoughts on possible Negations for characters on it? You can choose however many you want, like, just the ones you are interested in or are easy to think about. Or not at all if you are don't wanna.

(Also, HI! Hope you are doing nicely)

Hi, I'm fine! Thanks for asking

So...Homestuck is kind of a difficult one for this on the basis that the power system is element and class-based, meaning that there's a lot of room for overlap

This makes it difficult to differentiate between, say, two Heroes of Time, because both of them are in some way manipulating time. I could theoretically uses the Classes as a guide since they define how Aspects are used, but the specifics were never adequately defined for most Classpects

Thieves, Rogues, Princes and Bards are fairly simple on the basis that these Classes all either steal or destroy their Aspect, which basically make them Negators already in a sense, but the ideas of "stealing an Aspect" and "stealing by using an Aspect" are difficult to make meaningfully different outside of their original context

Outside of those Classes though, most of them are about somehow manipulating or creating their Aspects, which by definition doesn't really line up with the concept of Negators

Still, I'll give it a shot. I'll do the kids and the original Trolls, at least

John, Uncalm - negates the calm of the weather to create gusts of wind

Rose, Unpredictable - negates future events by predicting them, ensuring they will play out differently; Artifact Sunken City allows her to draw on Eldritch powers

Dave, Untimely - negates the current temporal state of an object, reverting it to an older state or forcing it into a future state; Artifact Cheaper by the Dozen allows him to summon clones of himself

Jade, Unspacious - negates the space an object occupies by reducing its size; Artifact Teen Wolf turns her into a werewolf

Jane, Undead - negates her own death (likely doesn't have the imagination to weaponize her body though)

Jake, Unbelievable- negates the belief that something cannot be achieved; normally applies to marksmanship, but Jake's reinterpretation of the rule allows him to manifest other unbelievable actions as well

Roxy, Unimagine - negates the non-existence of objects, allowing her to create objects from nothing

Dirk, Ununified- negates Dirk's sense of self by splitting his consciousness between multiple sources; in his case, Dirk places pieces of his mind into machines such as robots or AI programs, but all are in a sense the true self

Aradia, Unmove - negates a target's ability to move, as if freezing them in time

Tavros, Unwilling - negates a target's willpower and bringing them under his control; due to his interpretation of the Rule, Tavros can only control animals, not sentient life

Sollux, Unhand - negates Sollux's need to touch objects to interact with them, effectively making him telekinetic

Karkat, Unopposed - negates objections to proposed ideas, fostering camaraderie

Nepeta, Unidentified - negates others' ability to recognize Nepeta's true identity, allowing her to pose as others

Kanaya, Unsatisfied - negates Kanaya's ability to sate her hunger; because of her love of vampires, she conflated this feeling with the idea of vampirism, limiting her cravings to blood and allowing her to drain a target of blood through a bite

Terezi, Undecided - negates the consequences of a decision, returning to the point where the decision was made within a reasonable amount of time

Vriska, Unluck - negates a targets luck through contact

Equius, Unseen - negates his own ability to be seen; reinterpretation of this Rule has allowed Equius to be unable to be found through any senses or technologies

Gamzee, Uncontrollable - negates his own sense of self-control, sending him into a berserker rage

Eridan, Unremarkable - negates events that go outside of Eridan's own beliefs, reducing them to being mundane

Feferi, Unfade - negates her own ability to age

That was...slightly easier than anticipated, but a good handful of them were pretty tough and I'm not completely satisfied with all of them, but they work fine I think. Granted, like I said, a lot of the powers in Homestuck aren't fully explored, so there's a good chance these aren't actually accurate reflections of canon

I'm particularly proud of Undecided and Unremarkable, though, they have a lot of potential for versatility

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