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waxxxwork · 4 months
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if I think too much about the transition in the script between “the most anger he’s ever expressed to his father” and Kendall immediately playfully hitting Roman like “something from childhood” I will just vaporize from grief
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kendallville · 17 days
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The more time passes, the more I think about Shiv.
Saw a great post about unspoken misogyny lately, with screenshots of comments mentioning that she's the worst character in the Succession (I'd have never assumed it, because hey, there's Greg... I just can't stand Greg).
And I've always thought that Sarah Snook's ability to create such an ambiguous character is amazing. It's hard to relate to Shiv, because she doesn't let us. She's learned how to protect herself. We'll never know her, not really.
I've had my thoughts about Shiv and the way she (and Rome) dimissided Ken's lifelong work so quickly, on a whim, and assumed they could be CEO just because Logan said so. It frustrates me, like it probably frustrated Ken. He did the work (the show suggests at least 5 years, including Shanghai, but Ken went to Harvard Business School and INSEAD, so in my headcanon his whole life was intertwined with Waystar, internships etc.). He tried, and tried, and he worked. And it didn't matter to his siblings. Shiv is smart, probably the smartest of them all, so how can she not see the irony?
But maybe... that's the point?
create your own reality
make a playground
the past is made up
Maybe Shiv gets it, because she's so much like Logan?
We know so little about Shiv's life before the show's beginning, it's wonderfully outrageous.
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forlornkiller · 11 months
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I think this ending was so good for this show because it keeps everybody in a state of motion. We’re able to almost picture or envision what the future is going to be like for them because some cycles are destined to repeat but each character has such different destinies you know? this show is so amazing every scene has so much to unpack…. im only gonna choose a couple moments but I hope they resonate
comparing Kendall and roman……. I think we all knew that roman was abused by Kendall growing up but in previous contexts, it seemed like he had changed…. at least yelling at Logan for his direct abuse but to see Kendall do that to Rome was fucking heartbreaking man . tears in my fucking eyes like he does not. deserve this. nobody fucking deserves this and fuck Logan Roy and every fucking abuser that willingly and even gleefully chooses fucking abuse. kendall seemed resigned to his fate to abuse his brother but it’s just not true man. maybe there was more sorrow than glee in his abuse but only maybe. and either way it’s not fucking right. The acceptance of their nothingness is different yet the same…… so many things are different but the same do u know what I mean ?
Kendall, with protection, but never able to do anything again is a fate i can accept for him. It was really interesting to see how their relationships with other people were again and may I just say. I think it’s quite incredibly clear what Kendall and Stewy had and currently flirt with…… i love that but I hate that for them. As delulu it might be for Stewy to think he can save Kendall, he totally thinks that and who knows . maybe some cool fuck shit happens and Kendall’s able to keep one relationship in his life he cares about. but I guess we won’t see .
Oof going back to Roman’s dig about Rava and her kids…….. i think his relationship with them is so fucked and there isn’t enough time for repentance. He spent so long holding onto a dream that was never real and not even worth having in the end, and knowing that so much of his life was around this one thing. seven years old to now….. maybe some intense psychotherapy and retrospection for years is what he needs. it’s probably the only thing he’s gonna get
,, and in this sense I almost wonder if Connor and Kendall are closer than ever as eldest boys. Connor was never offered the dream, and he never became anything. Kendall is what happens when you offer it and it disappears, making u realize it was never really there in the first place. Might’ve been something, but definitely isn’t now. I also think reducing Connor to nothing is not a fair characterization but he’s not really something either.
Shiv……… i wish there was a way free for her. I’m not the greatest at imagining shiv futures but I somehow see purgatory yet nothing at all. She got the deal, she didn’t get CEO and her reputation got a bit fucked but she’s still married to the CEO. whose baby she’s pregnant with. And who she doesn’t like, i don’t think. Because hurting her has been the way she understands love, i think she’s more into Tom than ever and i think she needs him. He holds a lot of power but in the end he offers love one way, she doesn’t respond that way and they stay together but apart. I can’t tell anymore if it’s real or fake. I think Shiv believes what she said, that once you say all the worst shit to each other you can still be together but part of that is WANTING to be together. If you say all the worst shit and at the end don’t know if you want to come back, then I think you shouldn’t get back together. They just keep making bad decisions. Sometimes relationships are best when both people realize how close they are is not how close they actually want to be or should be. Tom offering his hand in the car…….. she called him a phony and I think I agree. There might’ve been love there.. an opportunity to win love but Shiv doesn’t fight for those things, she takes them as givens. A lot of the tragedy in succession is about timing. Bad things happening right when things were getting good, maybe. The consequences of their actions meet later actions and become perfectly destructive. Okay i got distracted back to shiv and Tom i can’t tell who is trapping who with this baby. I am incredibly sad for this future child and wish that Tom got out now, fuck waystar royco and take his piece of shit and go!!!! but they’re in too deep now.
Switching to tomgreg 🤩 sucking the dick of white supremacy, but maybe making changes internally about how things are done. Tom is better than Logan on most levels I think, and great at his fucking job. Will he be able to counter Logan’s legacy with his own consider his part in advancing Logan’s? Wash his hands free from sins?? i don’t really think so but I think he might want to…….. i always have hope like a dumbass hehe but yea I have been wanting Tom and Gerri team up since the beginning on season 4 and while it’s sad to not see that in action, im glad it’s a definite future. I think she’ll see that Tom can actually be competent. Okay sandwiching Tom and Gerri with Tom and Greg, that sticker shit was fucking cute and I totally thought they were gonna kiss before that. Their fight was so fucking funny LOL i did genuinely enjoy watching that. Fed my tomgreg soul for sure 😌
In regards to mattson (and then I’m going back to Gerri and then I’m gonna SLEEP!!) i think what he wanted with his numbers happened, them getting lost in the deal dazzle? It went through and now everybody’s fucking rich. The thing is idk all the legal business stuff so is this gonna fuck everybody over in a couple weeks to months? No clue but for now Mattson’s kinda on top of the world. I really don’t like him tho hehe i hope he gets smashed to death by a pile of his own blood bricks. I wonder if Tom will actually be his front man, or try to kill him at some point too? The urge to serve is so strong in him…… but do I firmly believe that with a healthy kinky relationship with somebody PERHAPS GREG. he would be able to fulfill that and also rule the world? Absolutely man it’s just abt balance 😌 my belief that the acceptance of bdsm would fix so many things in our society & in succession is unshakable okay don’t question me. ANYWAYS
Gerri….. a queen as always. Roman pining from afar is so sad so tragic reminding himself of her with every drink he drinks and thought he thinks. One of THE biggest regrets and him saying that he’s nothing, that all the sibs are nothing? I think in this moment it’s true. I can feel how that is truth for him. With Gerri’s brief flashes of emotion during the funeral ….. i have hope. Succession aside, i really believe have faith in love and its power to save lives & transcend death. I think what they had bw them was real, and with the scripts as well I don’t think that connection was faked. What makes my heart hurt is that in the past it seemed like Gerri was the only one in the room who cared if he was hurt. She can’t necessarily protect him but she sees him. He doesn’t have that, the three sibs don’t have anybody that really loves & knows them enough to be able to deal with this trauma but I don’t think hope is totally gone. I’m an optimist in the end
God this is fucking long I’m a wordy person but overall? GOD i love this show!!! I really think they ended it at a great spot in this way where things keep going. Nobody’s story ever really ends, it feels like it does and to the person living their story it might but being able to watch their lives? You realize that it doesn’t end. I think Jesse’s commentary on the fear behind ending Succession here is super valid though, because there is a message here that is ultimately anti capitalist. If we were able to really see, at length the way we’ve seen the first cycles, how their cycles continue I think it would really wake a lot of people up to how things operate in this society. The longer this nation goes on, the longer the abuse this nation was founded from goes on. I’m going to end here but wow this show has given me so much to think about when it comes to love, abuse, capitalism, society & American culture as a whole like goddamn. What a show man what a show
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doodoocumfart · 11 months
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Thinking abt the dinners for winners thing. Stewy “winning” dinner from Logan. Thinking about how even at age 40, he didn’t want to eat infront of Logan. What if I killed myself.
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nepotismbabyy · 11 months
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I love how much the roy siblings love physical touch and comfort. Like based on the way they grew up you’d think that they may be averse to it because they never received it from their parents growing up. But there they are, always finding comfort in each other
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filmmarvel · 11 months
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I’ve been seeing some people saying that they loved the ending of Succession because Shiv was making the kind choice on behalf of her child?? As a mother?? No?? Honestly no offense but how could anyone possibly reach that conclusion? How could anyone be expected to believe that over the course of an hour, Shiv could go from being selfish and manipulative like she’s been for 4 full seasons to being caring and benevolent? That isn’t who she is, and that certainly isn’t the kind of show that Succession is. Seriously, even in the penultimate episode she was joking about how she’s going to do the same thing to her child as her mom did to her, and honestly I believe her. No way would she suddenly be compelled to make a decision out of the pure goodness of her heart. She wants power and control, always has, and making sure Tom became CEO was the only way she could hold on to it. And saying all that is completely ignoring the obvious thematic choices being made- none of them changed! Life is cyclical! Roman and Kendall both ended right back where they started, why would Shiv be the outlier? Sure, it’s possible that her child was one tiny factor in the decision, but it sure as hell wasn’t her primary motivation. Not even close. People can be so weird about Shiv lmao. Honestly half of the reactions I’ve seen to her decision in the finale are either people madly trying to make her out to be a far better person than she is, or absolutely hating her guts more than any other character (as if she’s the first one to betray her siblings).
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hageny · 1 year
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Succession Thoughts: Gerri x Roman 
1. Love’s A Losing Game.
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I finally have a chance to touch on the scene between Roman and Gerri, and, as usual, my thoughts may be a bit controversial, but here we go. When we see them again, Roman is propositioning Gerri for advice after having fired her in the last episode, and Gerri rebuffs him with a firm, “No.” This seems to shock Roman, who then quickly plunges into damage control, attempting to cajole her and convince her his firing of her wasn’t real. As he puts it, “Dad fired people all the time. I was just feeling kind of fire-ish.” I can understand the logic behind Roman’s statement because, if one recalls in Season 1, Logan fired Frank, and, shockingly, Frank came back to Waystar and to Logan again anyway later on. Even Gerri was shocked by this, to which Frank replied, “Baby needs shoes, moth to a flame [...]”. This moment in Hunting between them sort of sets us up for what Gerri does in Tailgate Party by refusing to return, but again, Roman had seen the Old Guard kicked so many times he naturally thought Gerri wouldn’t permanently abandon him. Sadly, he thought wrong, and she has firmly--and gladly--removed herself from the picture. Most of the discourse online has cheered Gerri on, saying Roman got what was coming to him, and, to degree, I can agree with this. However, Gerri says something interesting that I’ve seen no one comment on which is the line about his dick pics: “[...] I will sue and I will go public with the many, many pictures of your genitalia that I have in my possession.” This struck me as quite pertinent because many fans debated about Roman’s sending of the dick pic in Season 3, wondering whether the one he sent his father was the only one, whether when Gerri asked him to stop sending, “the items”, she had been receiving photos before. This confirms that Gerri had received photos of Roman’s private parts before, and, until the moment she took the CEO spot, likely entertained his proclivity for sending them the same way she engaged in his other kinks. This brings me to my point, which is, did Roman deserve for Gerri to walk out on him? Sure, to a degree. He treated her poorly several times this season, and expected loyalty in return, which was foolish of him. However, was he the only one in the wrong? Not in the least. What many seem to conveniently forget when discussing their relationship is that Gerri willingly entered into a pseudo-romance with him, dancing the dance and leading him along as much as he led her. She was no virginal ingenue out to sea with a predator, she was a willing participant in their relationship, and she is as much responsible for its dissolution as he is. Her inconsistent communication with him in Season 3--her vague outlining of what was appropriate, her pulling back suddenly without any real clear sit-down conversation--is largely what led Roman to send her the photos. He even says to her, “I’m not so sure, I feel like you do want them, but you’re being kind of typically minxy.” Of course, she did seriously tell him to stop, but us fans remained confused through the run of the season like Roman did, and so I can’t help but sympathize with him now. He knew better than to send the photos and sent them anyway, and Gerri knew better than to enter into a relationship with her boss’s son and then turn around and throw the responsibility for it’s destruction in his face as though he was the only villain in the story. I am prepared to get a heap of criticism for this opinion, but I still stand by it. There’s something about the endless backing of Gerri and lack of actual critique of her actions that rubs me wrong. I do, however, still hope for some sort of turn in their relationship, naïve as that may seem, because, truly, they were much better together than apart. They were a more powerful team when they worked alongside each other, and to see the show just throw it all away feels cheap. I am interested to hear what others think about this scene, and, of course, discussion is always welcome, whether you agree or disagree with me. 
AN: I just wanted to add a quick thank you to all who have read and commented on my writings so far. As always I like hearing everyone’s thoughts, and I like how honest people are in the replies. Makes life more fun. 
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felicjana050896 · 1 year
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Roman vs Kendall
A post about promotional posters and some of my own thoughts.
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First Poster:
Logan stands in the middle as the company, he is the company. By the way, the series is also a beautiful circle, the 1st episode of the 1st season began with Logan's birthday, that's where the fight for succession began, the 1st episode of the 4th season began with Logan's birthday, this season will end with the fight for succession.
On the left we have the sibling team, on the right the Logan team (we can already see on the poster that Roman betrayed).
Each character is someone's reflection:
Connor and Greg: I don't know if there's going to be a fight between them, I don't think so, I think it's like the Season 3 poster with Shiv and Connor, they have to put them somewhere, and since they're similar in behavior and thinking in some ways (in context of being a bit childish), they are a reflection of themselves.
Shiv and Tom: here probably no doubt, there will be a fight between them.
Kendall and Roman: and this is the most interesting, many people compare their relationship/history to Romulus and Remus, and that they are the main competitors in the battle for succession, this poster seems to confirm it, then Kendall and Roman will have to fight each other for power.
Individual looks:
Connor as well as Kendall and I think Shiv too (although he may be looking at Tom but I'm not sure) are looking at Logan as the one they will mostly oppose.
Greg looks at his reflection as the one who will take care of himself and his survival.
Tom looks to Shiv as the one he will have to fight.
Roman (just like Logan) is the only one who does not look at anyone or at his reflection, he looks forward, in front of himself, it seems to me that this may be the greatest indication that Roman will win Succession as the one who looks into the future.
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Second Poster ans thoughts:
As one of the posters has a plane (announcement of Logan's death in the plane), in these posters we have Logan in the middle as a company and reflections of people, Greg with Connor (as the least important), Shiv with Tom (as a marriage war) and Roman with Kendall, while Roman and Kendall's reflections in one of the posters are facing Logan and Logan's reflections are facing them, this shows that the real fight for the company will be between Kendall and Roman, this is also heralded by the song that Connor sings at karaoke, which is about one of the brothers killing the other in a fight:
And what can I tell you my brother,
my killer
What can I possibly say?
I guess that I miss you,
I guess I forgive you
I'm glad you stood in my way
moreover, all the people in the poster are looking in someone's direction, Kendall is also looking at Logan (this is a cutout from the first poster), the only people who are not looking in someone's direction and looking ahead is Logan and Roman, sorry, but Roman from season 1 has gone through such a path of development that no siblings have gone through, he himself was taught by a member of the old guard Gerri and in the most brutal way (her betrayal at the end, of course right, but still), Roman has childhood stories about going to a military school, being kept in a cage like a dog, Logan beating him as a child, two dogs fighting (Kendall and Roman, which also foreshadows their fight for the company from the beginning, in this story, Kendall always won, so now in the fight for the company, Roman will win), about fishing trips with Connor, sorry, but I don't remember any stories about Kendall, Shiv or Connor's childhood, apart from one from season 3 where Connor says he took them camping because Logan couldn't, Roman has the biggest background as a character, plus the very mythology of Romulus and Remus (where Roman's name comes from and Logan himself often calls Roman Romulus especially when he's mad) where Romulus killed his brother Remus, and one more shot from the trailers, where Kendall hits Roman against the wall, he clearly has a reason to be mad at him, Roman has been clearly, step by step, set by the creators to be the CEO and winner of Succession.
Bonus: in both poster, in both Shiv's reflection and Tom's reflection, Shiv is behind Tom's back, does that mean she's going to get revenge and stab him in the back, or does Tom's being in front, mean he win their marital confrontation?
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livethrushit · 7 days
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sometimes sativa kicks my adhd ass into gear so i can get a lot of my work done. but Sometimes it sends me down a rabbit hole where i spend an hour writing about what logan roy's convoluted nen ability would be
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from-the-clouds · 1 year
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i'm doing a very slow rewatch of succession before s4 airs, but today i realized that kendall is the only one of the roy kids we ever see stand up directly to logan when he mistreats his siblings -- calling his dad out for calling shiv a coward in austerlitz, and then physically stepping between logan and roman after he slaps him in argestes, even yelling at logan not to touch him - but neither shiv or roman ever do the the same for kendall.
i'm not pointing this out to hate on roman or shiv by any means, because they have provided him support when logan's not around, but i just think it's very telling of kendall's character and likely the dynamic that played out in their household growing up. and it's hard to know what connor's role was in all of this, because we know he acted as a father figure to all three but wasn't always around, so i imagine that kendall felt he needed to be a protector to some extent in his absence. but it's just another tragic part of kendall's character that makes me wanna scream
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lestatanic · 1 year
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I’m rewatching Succession for the fourth time because shit has been pretty bad recently and I need to watch other people deal with their childhood trauma worse than how I’m dealing with it.
So I’m on the S1E1 and it’s just… the perfect start to the show and perfectly encapsulates how fucking nuts everyone is. Kendall shows his fear of Logan through how he acts when Logan is in the room, but acts like a hot shot anytime else. Roman acts out and expresses his trauma through jokes. Shiv’s conversation with Tom about the gift shows how Shiv sees her father as someone who is hard to love, hard to express love towards without it being dismissed. Connor actively trying to do anything to receive his father’s approval. Greg being absolutely ridiculous.
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waxxxwork · 4 months
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the way Roman makes himself small and dissolves into childlike body language when Kendall’s on the phone getting the bad news but when Shiv comes in and completely breaks down, he encourages her to step away and say something to Logan on the phone in case he can hear it and then when she cries more he approaches her and physically comforts her and my heart hurts at thinking about how Roman is devastated but finds fragile strength to get it together to take care of Shiv :( fuuuuuuck
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kendallville · 1 year
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People mocking Jeremy Strong for being a "method actor" and treating Ken as "a person" - just think about what creators of this this show are doing.
All the things we learned about episode three - not telling Jeremy where Sarah was (when he got to find her to talk to Logan), filming them in the long sequence to keep them "on the spot" and "not give them a break" from the emotions they were experiencing. That improvised hug.
That's all "method" as hell, it's scary, it's hard, it's exceptional, it sounds insane sometimes, and that's why this show is the TV masterpiece it is.
For me finding out about the whole "method acting" drama around Jeremy was kind of funny, because I only discovered Succession last year.
And from the beginning of watching the show I felt such an intense connection to this coked-up, erratic, sad, weird man that Kendall Roy is, it was surreal, and I didn't know why. I have never got so into the character before.
Then, when I read articles and interviews about Jeremy's way of approaching Ken, it was like a lightbulb: that's what it is. It's because - for me - it's like watching a real person.
In my opinion Jeremy Strong as Kendall Roy is acting in the most intimate way possible, giving the audience everything from within himself to create the character.
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The. New. Fucking. Episode. Of. Succession.
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I have so many thoughts. Oh my days
- First off, Kendall yelling at Tom was everything. Not sure if I've ever mentioned this but I cannot stand Tom Wambsgans. I despise him. Also, I hate Greg.
- The whole episode was just so... depressing. It just felt like doomsday. There was not one ounce of hope in that whole hour of television.
- This episode really makes you realise... again... that they're all awful people. They're all so hard to root for. Roman's a racist fascist Neo Nazi supporter. Don't get me started on Shiv... that woman is a mess. And Kendall. Oh, Kendall.
- Kendall sending a car to follow his family... refusing to speak to Sophie on the phone and using Rava as a middle man... electing Mencken because he's mad at Shiv... promising Sophie he won't let the world push her around but then electing a racist misogynistic fascist... oh Kenny
- I've seen lots of theories that Jess is going to quit, and she was the one to leak the whole Tom early call thing. Honestly, I hate to see her go, but I also think she deserves better so go off queen.
- Something is brewing. It has been for episode after episode now. It's dark and it's gloomy and it's depressing and I think whatever it is, it's going to be monumental. Something is going to break. Someone's going to crack. Big time.
- Can't believe we haven't seen hardly any Stewy this season. We're bound to see him at the funeral, but hoping they give him some scene time. I miss my man :((
let me know if you have any thoughts or theories!! none of my friends irl watch succession so I have no one to talk about it with, so always happy to chat about it here <3
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netherfeildren · 11 months
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sorry but i can’t stop thinking about succession and i want to say that i think it’s obvious that kendall’s taking it and coming out on top but i also can’t stop thinking about what david rasche said about no one being able to guess how it ends and like that would be the most obvious end no? it’s what we’ve all been waiting for since the very start. and parallel to that, that note in the writers room thatJS talked about “kendall wins but he also loses” and then the funeral being his pseudo coronation as well like ????? all that points to kendall taking it, but at the same time, it’s what we’re all expecting it seems too easy too expected and i just can’t see them giving us the thing we’ve all been waiting for from the very start
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forlornkiller · 11 months
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I find it really interesting how a lot of people think Logan’s death freed the kids from their cages or whatever. It’s one thing for your abuser to die and it’s another to work on overcoming that abuse & the patterns of life it created in you. I’m not here tryna justify their behavior but like… so many people see his death as freeing the kids. Maybe the door’s unlocked but it’s still closed, and none of them want to push it open themselves because they’ve never been outside. I wonder how many of them dreamed of going outside more than they learned to love their cage. Again I think Connor has taken the most steps, because he has someone to help loosen the bars from the outside but none of the other siblings do.
Personalll but as somebody w an alive abusive parent and a dead abusive parent, a lot of people think that the family problems you have go away when they die. It’s not fucking true at all man. You go from having alive family problems to dead family problems, not alive family problems to dead family & no more problems. LOL anyways just my take bc I’ve been frustrated in general too @ the lack of understanding some ppl have when it comes to dead parents, like yeah ur sooooo right bc they’re dead I have nothing to worry about and my behavior shouldn’t affected haha 🆗😆👍🏽
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