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glimmerofawesome · 9 months

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#lia wälti #lia walti #ana crnogorčević #ana crnogorcevic #suiwnt #switzerland v phillippines #july 21 2023 #wwc23 #wwc 2023 #74:04

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esther-dot · 3 years

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I dont even ship Jonsa, but it so funny to me that dany stans will try to relate it to targaryen incest. As if two cousins marrying in a feudal setting is the same as years and years of brother sister incest which has led to persistent madness, stillbirths and deformities

I read/watch way too much entertainment set before the 21st Century to be bothered by cousin-cest. Marrying cousins is a thing people did in America, even into the 1900s (it's still legal in like half the states although uncommon), so the freak out is funny. And in Westeros it's even more normal for cousin marriages to occur, so it isn't even noteworthy whereas Targcest is a whole thing. A thing that has connections to the fall of real world dynasties. I forget who has talked about this before, but I know others have mentioned The Royal House of Habsburg and there's some interesting stuff there:

Beginning in the early 12th century they quickly expanded their realm through a series of strategically executed marriages, from the mountains of Switzerland to a territory that included swaths of Austria, Hungary, Italy, France and Spain. The Spanish branch of the Habsburg dynasty helped create an empire that reached its apex in the 16th and 17th centuries, controlling land from the Phillippines to the Americas.

Yet the Habsburgs are known not only for controlling huge tracts of Europe, but also for maintaining control by rarely marrying outside the dynasty.

By the end of the 17th century, the results of their marital practices had become apparent in the form of a distinctive protruding lip, a high rate of infant mortality and a host of other health problems.

Could the same marital practices that helped bring the Habsburg dynasty to power also have led to its demise?

In the April 15 issue of PLoS One, scientists from Spain’s University of Santiago de Compostela argue that inbreeding so incapacitated the Habsburgs over the centuries that by the death of King Charles II of Spain in 1700, they were virtually unable to reproduce. (link)

and obviously, the Targ version is most closely aligned with the Ptolemaic Dynasty:

Incestuous relationships were so common in the Ptolemaic dynasty that Ptolemy II is often given the nickname “Philadelphus,” a word used to describe his marriage to his sister Arsinoe II. Almost every pharaoh of the dynasty thereafter was married to his or her brother or sister; Ptolemy II’s heir, Ptolemy III, along with his other children, was from a previous marriage and did not marry a sister, but he did marry his half-cousin Berenice II. It wasn’t until the next generation that we see another marriage between a full brother and sister: Ptolemy IV and Arsinoe III. Ptolemy V was the first offspring of a Ptolemaic sibling marriage. The trend continued within the family up to the birth of the famous Cleopatra VII. Her father was Ptolemy XII and her mother was her father’s sister, Cleopatra V.

Marrying within the royal family meant never having to dilute their Macedonian blood with that of the native Egyptians. It also meant that foreign powers couldn’t infiltrate Egypt. It seems as if the Ptolemys would have then produced a number of offspring with genetic disorders, but none appear to have significantly suffered from inbreeding. Nevertheless, inbreeding worked in their favor and helped keep the rule of Egypt in the hands of the Ptolemys for almost 300 years. (link)

The fact that they ignore the purpose of Targcest, and act like two people who are cousins falling in love is the same, uh, no. And attempting to compare the "incest" of Jonsa to generations of extreme inbreeding....I mean, there are reasons to not like Jonsa, but that's just a weird angle to attack from.

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glimmerofawesome · 9 months

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