#the outlaws stuff has no reason to mix with Jason and Bruce’s ongoing disagreement on their moral stances.

[jasontoddenthusiastt]

no because i read the first like, four chapters of the outlaws webtoon and was immediately like "haha, no?? why is jay acting like bruce never thought of him as his son? why does this author have it out for b so bad?". i'm glad to know i made the right choice if it just got worse

I could understand the ‘wow, I guess I never really found a family with Bruce if this is just always how it’s going to be with him’ mindset, especially if Bruce was being particularly cruel with him.

[ Batman and Robin #20 (2011) ]

He can be cruel. Exploring Jason’s thought process, how he resolves this in his mind and comes to forgive Bruce again and again is something they could have at least touched on. Instead, they not only did nothing new to move the disagreement forward, but they also muddied it further, in a bad way. If they want to complicate (or worse, attempt to resolve) Jason and Bruce’s decades long conflict, that should be a separate comic entirely.

They could have just had Jason cut Bruce off completely (even if temporarily) with the set-up they had, but they did nothing with it (even though they could have avoided the mess they made if they took this route).

Bruce again does something unforgivable to Jason (but now his friends get fucked over too), only for there to be a half-assed make-up conversation that didn’t really address the real issue, and then there’s no further mention of it. Bruce put the outlaws in a simulation for months without their knowledge, and the conversation Bruce had with Jason later wasn’t even about this. Screw Artemis and Bizarro, I guess. They’re expendable because the core conflict is actually about Jason and Bruce.

I wouldn’t say the bad Brucie moments are too ooc based on how he is in canon. The abuse, and him being big on mass surveillance/never trusting anyone while being the one to repeatedly betray other people’s trust. It’s just all the other characters being so tolerant/accepting of his actions is kinda funny, it’s almost like they’re NPCs lol. But also again why are Bruce’s trust issues which cause a strain on his relationship with Jason a main theme in the outlaws book lmao

Ultimately what this webtoon did was take every irritating plot from Jason’s canon appearances, amplified them tenfold, and mixed in even more unresolved plotholes and horrible mis characterizations.

#if I complained about how ooc Jason was in this this post would be 7 pages long #i mean just the Jason almost killing two face as robin incident alone was framed in such an incorrect way #i just accepted the fact that the author has a poor understanding of Jason’s character and that’s fine because this isn’t canon #look. imo the outlaws work best as a fun adventures type story #the outlaws stuff has no reason to mix with Jason and Bruce’s ongoing disagreement on their moral stances. #attempting to mix the two was a very weird and bad idea?? #especially when they very evidently had no idea how to deal with the aftermath of it #i mean Artemis just lovingly told Jason to go and try to apologize to Bruce #after he practically studied her under a microscope for three months #you know this woman is on par with Diana Prince right? 💀 #and why did they have Biz talking backwards again 💀 it only makes the confusing plot even more dizzy #there’s just too much wrong with this one lol #asks