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hotspotsmagazine · 6 years

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It’s Not Over Till It’s Over: Sean Hayes Talks ‘Will & Grace’

Where would our queer world be without Will & Grace?

That’s where my head was just before Sean Hayes phoned, recalling my lonely teen years, when gay white men on TV alone — here’s to evolved representation! — was unprecedented and life-changing for people like 15-year-old, closeted me.

It’s not enough, then, to say Hayes, 48, portrays Jack McFarland on the NBC sitcom, because some roles become legend, upstaging even the actor giving him life. Jack is one such character.

And so, a call from Hayes is like being a kid and spotting your fifth-grade teacher at the grocery store: It doesn’t quite feel real. And yet Hayes is a real man with a real life and even a real husband, music producer Scott Icenogle. But to the late-’90s TV landscape, it was the actor’s half-fiction as Jack and his exploding-rainbow persona that cut through heteronormative programming with gay jokes even your grandma could get down with.

And then, there’s Karen.

You obviously don’t need me to needlessly ramble on about Jack’s socialite best friend (played by Megan Mullally), who never met a martini she didn’t like. You know her, you love her. And together they truly make all of our friends out to be absolute fucking bores. The sitcom’s recent revival reinstated #friendshipgoals when the snarky pals, along with titular housemates Will (Eric McCormack) and Grace (Debra Messing), came swishing back to NBC in September 2017 for a ninth season after ending its initial 1998–2006 run.

Hayes isn’t Jack, exactly. But you might be fooled if he called you, too. His usually-unflashy voice sometimes picks up wind and takes on the kind of rapid-fire cadence his famous Cher-worshiping alter ego is known for. With Season 10 premiering October 4 and Season 9 now available on DVD and digital, I caught up with Hayes to talk about those who’ve long criticized Jack for being “stereotypically” gay, the history of the legendary Karen-Jack slap fights, and who helped him be OK with being gay.

It’s hard to put into words exactly what it feels like to talk to the man who gave me such an iconic gay character when I needed it most.

Oh my god. That’s so sweet. I really appreciate that. And you just answered the reason why when people ask me what’s the best part about playing it — that’s the best part.

Is it?

One-hundred percent.

When did you first realize Will & Grace had impacted the LGBTQ community the way it has?

Just a couple of weeks ago! [Laughs.] No, I’m joking. You know what’s so funny — first of all, you have no idea how much that means to me, you saying how much I mean to you. It means equally as much to me, so thank you.

So when did I know I had an impact? I think when I was young and doing the show I was so wrapped up in myself, in acting, in getting the part: “Am I going to get fired? Am I gonna learn my lines?” I was just happy to have a job.

It’s such a fascinating thing to discuss, and I’m so glad you asked. I felt normal growing up, so when I got a job, playing a gay character on a television sitcom I just thought, “Oh, I just have to be me, kind of, a heightened version of myself.” I didn’t think it would have that much of an impact because of the bubble I grew up in. I surround myself with people who are accepting of me, so naively I was like, “The rest of the world must be OK with it.”

I mean, I knew the stories [about homophobia] out there. I grew up and knew [being gay] wasn’t accepted, but I just didn’t think on any big level it was any big deal. So, that gave me the confidence to play Jack as outrageously as I could because, again, I’m surrounded by writers and actors — everybody else — who embrace this, so I felt loved, I felt supported and I felt confidence. So, I wasn’t heading to work thinking about how this is going to affect anybody.

[That] was a wonderful byproduct later, and I was like, “Oh, ohh!” And once it started, and all the press and blah blah blah, and we never got any backlash for being political in that sense, meaning how they politicized gay people, which is wrong. That’s another interview.

WILL & GRACE — “The Wedding” Episode 110 – Pictured: (l-r) Eric McCormack as Will Truman, Debra Messing as Grace Adler, Sean Hayes as Jack McFarland — (Photo by: Chris Haston/NBC/NBCU Photo Bank)

Over the years, people have criticized Jack for being “flamboyant.” How aware were you of that concern when the show returned for its revival season?

Oh, I never heard that. This is the first time hearing it. So, you’re saying people were worried, but I was playing him — I call it “outrageous” because “flamboyant” means a certain type of gay person, I think, and that’s another conversation to have. I was playing him as outrageously as I was before. So, people were concerned that I was playing him a certain way?

People wondered if Jack was too stereotypical for TV in 2018 and expressed some concern over what the straight community might think of us.

I think that’s [internalized] homophobia. Because I know people like Jack, because one part of me is like Jack, and so if you’re saying people in the gay community were concerned that I was playing Jack a certain way and people would “worry” that gay people act like that, they do act like that. And there’s people who act like Will. There are people on all spectrums of human behavior in the gay community, just like there are people on all spectrums of human behavior in the straight community, so I nix that, and I say “bye” to that — I say, “Bye, Felicia!” — because that doesn’t make any sense to me.

Similarly, the character of Cam on Modern Family was criticized for being an over-the-top and exaggerated version of what a gay person is. And I’m like, what exactly is a gay person supposed to be in 1998 or 2018?

Yeah, exactly. What are they supposed to be? And by the way, they are exaggerated, some of them. And so are straight people. Look at Jim Carrey, look at Robin Williams. There are lots of straight people who are exaggerated as well. I hate that argument — no, I’m glad you brought it up. I’m just saying I love talking about it, because it’s ridiculous.

As a kid coming to terms with being gay, who was your person?

If you’re talking about a famous person, Andy Bell [of Erasure]. Because I was in college and I was 17, 18, and I was shocked that somebody was out and proud, making a living in the arts or in pop culture by being who they are and not apologizing for it. I thought that was mind-blowing. “A Little Respect” was the No. 1 song on the radio, and I was like, “Wait, the guy is gay, and everybody is OK with that?”

The truth is, not a lot of people knew [Bell was gay] because we didn’t have the internet. But I knew, and all my gay friends knew. And I was like, “That’s amazing.” So that was inspiring to me, that you could be gay and make a living by singing, acting, whatever.

What has it been like to be a part of a show that has existed during two very different times, culturally and politically, for the LGBTQ community?

First, I feel very fortunate and lucky to be part of the chorus of the movement. I may not be a single voice, but I’m enjoying being a part of the chorus. And I think we’re lucky to have the voice and the representation for people to talk about it again, because I don’t think it should ever stop being talked about because everything is not OK. There are still gay kids being bullied. Look at that [gay] couple [that was assaulted] in Florida in the bathroom during [Miami Beach Gay] Pride. It just doesn’t end. The hate doesn’t end overnight.

So, we have to keep doing things, and again, my contribution may not be as an activist, because I just don’t feel comfortable doing that, it’s not who I am. It’s not in my blood, it’s not in my DNA to stand at a podium and speak in sound bites about how we need to prevail over the government and the system. I leave that to people who are good at it — I’m not good at it.

What I’m good at is being comfortable in my own skin and showing people that I have a husband, and we make stupid Facebook videos and try to show people that we’re as normal as any other human. I try to do my best at that.

So, I’m happy the show is back because there’s still tons of work to do. The power of comedy is so incredible; that’s why we broke so many boundaries the first time. And hopefully we can continue to do that.

Megan Mullally has said that you’re her “second husband,” after her real husband, Nick Offerman. How does your chemistry with Megan after all these years compare to the first time that you stepped onto set and shot the pilot?

It’s so funny that she calls me her second husband because Nick and I were born on the exact same day, same year, about 30 miles apart. Isn’t that hilarious?

But it’s like working with your sister. There’s a shorthand that nobody else would understand. So, it’s like, “I’m gonna do this,” and she’s like, “I’m gonna do that,” and then we just do it together. And there it is. So, we now know how to cut through all the stuff that you need to [cut through] to get to a comedic moment in a scene. And that’s what’s great about all this time that’s passed: I understand her, she understands me, we understand each other, so the chemistry has only gotten hotter.

Tell me the history of the slap fights between Karen and Jack.

There’s an episode called “Coffee and Commitment,” where Jack is trying to get off of coffee and Karen’s trying to quit alcohol. That was the first time we slapped each other. On paper, it was just, “Karen slaps Jack, Jack slaps Karen.” But of course, [Will & Grace Director] Jimmy Burrows, who is incredible at physical comedy, said, “Let’s make a dance out of this.”

So, we rehearsed the rhythm of it. I think that’s what makes you laugh — that’s what makes me laugh: the pauses and then the slapping again and then the pause and the slap-slap. It’s music, so you have to rehearse the beats and the rhythms in order to get that. [Laughs.] It makes me laugh even thinking about it.

What do you envision for Jack’s future?

Well, I don’t want him to change too much because our friends are our friends from high school because they never change, right? Maybe get married, but still remain Jack somehow, or find a long-term relationship. Or maybe — maybe! — there’s someone close in his own life that might be a suitable partner for life. Who knows?

Will?

I have no idea.

Could you see them together?

Could I see Will and Jack together? Maybe!

You’ve said you want to see him with Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson. Just so you know, I’m here for it.

I think that would be a hilarious episode, and I hope Dwayne comes to his senses and comes to the Will & Grace [set] to play and have a good time.

from Hotspots! Magazine https://hotspotsmagazine.com/2018/07/12/its-not-over-till-its-over-sean-hayes-talks-will-grace/

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elevatedvistas · 7 years

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10 of Our Favorite Verses from Dreamville's Latest Signee, J.I.D (So Far)

So, you're a huge fan of J. Cole, and have recently heard about his label, Dreamville's latest acquisition in Atlanta's J.I.D, but you don't know where to start? We've got you covered. Since following J.I.D (pronounced as spelled, or "Jid") in 2011, not only has he been one of our favorite acts since the first song we heard him on, but we've followed his music very closely and are self-dubbed J.I.D scholars. In no particular order, here are 10 songs and verses from the ATLien that you simply must hear to get a full feel for what you're in for when he releases his Dreamville debut, "The Never Story", whose release date is still pending: OG Maco - Who Came to Party ft. J.I.D (Prod. Archibald Slim) https://soundcloud.com/og-maco/who-came-to-party-ft-j-i-d Probably our favorite pound for pound JID verse. At the time, it was the latest in the start of a string of collaborations for JID. This one hosted by OG Maco, who more than held his own in what we, here at Ev, may credit as the first song that we actually heard OG Maco really float and spit on--the track was featured on Maco's brilliantly titled, I Made This Shit Before You Guessed It. We probably wouldn't appreciate Maco as much as we do now if it weren't for this track that we initially peeped specifically to hear JID. Isn't music amazing? J.I.D - Never (Prod. Christo + Childish Major) https://soundcloud.com/jidsv/never-prod-by-christo-x-childish-major Never could arguably be credited with the distinction of being the song that really took J.I.D into that, "Ok, you GOTTA hear this guy" category. With a beautifully nasty cadence, and witty bars like, "I crept on the steps where the demon sleeps/and yell, belch to my Lord what He means to me. Oh, my God. Don't be mean to me", the first round of Never is a display of pure skill as the Zone 6 spitter rips apart the Christo-produced banger. Don't double back. You read that correct: the first round. The second round of Never features a production switch--this time brought to you by Childish Major--that is so opposite the spectrum of its predecessor, it's sure to catch your ear, and by the first bar--"What you call a chick that don't suck dick?/ Ya don't"--JID is sure to have your attention. There is some debate on which round of Never is the best, but most of us are just glad that these beats and these verses were put together for an epic clash of the titans that is one artist: J.I.D. J.I.D - Letters ft. 6lack, Marian Mereba, & PELL (Prod. ThaOfficials) https://soundcloud.com/jidsv/letters-feat-6lack-marian-mereba-pell Letters is one of JID's furthest strays from his usual lyrical onslaught to deliver an actual record with a concrete message. Assisted by 6lack (who has had maybe the biggest 2017 of any underground artist thus far), Marian Mereba (If you've never heard of her, don't you dare scroll past this name without making note), and the one-of-a-kind PELL, JID delivers a somber ode that is probably the darkest song he has put out to date, but also a possible glimpse into what the Little Dragon fanatic wants to do more of. It's an impressive song that more often than not, goes unmentioned by even the most solid JIDiens. J.I.D - M.O.M ft. Quinten Miller (Prod. Zeon) https://soundcloud.com/spillage-village-am/mom-feat-quentin-miller-prod-by-zeon A recent gem that may be the standout track on a super effort by the Atlanta collective, Spillage Village (Earthgang, J.I.D, Hollywood JB, Jordxn Bryant) that features The WDNGCRSHRS' Quinten Miller. M.O.M is JID's most recent collaboration, and neither he nor Miller let's us down for even a second. With a hook that ends, "Since she started f***ing me, her ass got fatter", it's not hard to notice JID's effortless control and balance of cadence, wit, lyrics, and melodies. MOM was probably a top 3 track from JID in 2016. You'd earn yourself a year long favorite song by simply clicking play on this one. J.I.D - Yellow Snow Freestyle (Prod. Christo) https://soundcloud.com/spillage-village-am/yellow-snow-freestyle-prod-by-christo Another standout track from Spillage Village's Bears Like This Too Much project, this one is more of a flex of lyrical muscle for the 27-year old MC. And, if you've listened to any other cuts on this list, you can understand that songs like Yellow Snow is where JID really thrives. A minimal hook that's catchy as it is different, and usually includes some humorous lyrics wrapped in air tight cadences. "My lil n*ggaz got lil n*ggaz, so I'm a grand n*gga" is one of our favorite JID bars, and he delivers it and many more like it over jazzy production that sounds like James Bond making a clean getaway as the building explodes behind him. One of the most unique songs on our list also may be the most funky JID record to date. Earthgang, 6lack, & J.I.D - BatMan Smells (Prod. Ryan Mellow) https://soundcloud.com/earthganghbt/earthgang-x-6lack-x-jid-batman-smells-prod-by-ryan-mellow BatMan Smells came out in December of 2014, and features JID, 6lack, and Earthgang. As referenced in its title, Batman Smells (a reference to the old Jingle Bells spoof) is a Christmas song. And, it is quite possibly our favorite Hip Hop Christmas song of the last 10 years. One could argue there haven't been enough Christmas themed songs in that time period to compare it to--which is fair--but that's also the beauty of Batman Smells. It's also very subtle in being a Christmas song. Hints include jingle bells at the beginning of the song, references to eggnog, and JID getting drunk with his aunties. If that's not Christmas, what is? J.I.D - UnderWear (Prod. Christo) https://soundcloud.com/jidsv/underwear "Melancholy cool. Matthew McConaughey!" One of the most fun, always relevant lines JID has dropped on wax that we have access to, UnderWear was J.I.D's 'Never' of 2015. Christo's production matched with JID's complex wordplay and playful-but-deadass-serious lyrics is an underrated combo that we fully expect to have more light shed on in the coming months. UnderWear finds J.I.D solo, aside from a couple of The Wolf of Wall Street quotes from the aforementioned McConaughey, and it may very well be his best track, depending on who you talk to. A lyrical trapeze act, UnderWear served its purpose by guaranteeing that the revolution was underwear. I mean, under way. J.I.D - Jiddeth https://vimeo.com/49116270 Jiddeth was the first song we heard JID solo on. And, it was like a tidal wave of vibes. The beat was slow, with a lone, long horn serving as its lead. It's a fairly simplistic beat that is undeniable southern. On Jiddeth, JID boasts about not doing this and not doing that, only to flip the script ten-fold and claim all of his vices, his Zone, and his own position as a flat out monster behind the mic. He does all of this with very little effort, and by the song's end, your head is bobbing, and you're leaning up in your chain, wondering, "How did ppl miss out on this guy for so long?" That's J.I.D. Earthgang - The First Scoop ft. J.I.D https://soundcloud.com/thepromogorilla/the-first-scoop Holding the honorable distinction of being the first record we heard JID on, The First Scoop is as impressive now as it was when it was released in 2012. JID dropped on our Twitter timeline via Earthgang (the song's main artists) like a bomb, and we immediately followed him after hearing his verse, which opens the record. Specifically, the bar that made our timeline lose its mind was a clever use of "Bye, Felicia" popularized by the movie Friday, and the expounding of why, according to JID, she had to go. The opening bars of JID's verse on The First Scoop are still relevant: "I hear a lot of n*ggaz talking about they ballin'/You ain't ballin' if the bill collectors callin'/talkin' about you missed a payment, couple installments/they finna cut your shit off, you should come by the office." Again, that's circa 2011. J.I.D - Bruuuh (Prod. Willie B) https://soundcloud.com/jidsv/bruuuh-prod-by-willie-b JID's most recent release that we were amped to check out, as it features production by The Ichiban Don himself, Willie B. TDE fans may recognize Willie B's name for producing gems such as Kendrick Lamar's Ignorance is Bliss, Poe Man's Dreams, & Rigamortis, and Ab-Soul's Showin' Love. We're huge TDE fans, and particularly were at the height of our fandom when all of those productions dropped. So, Willie has been on our favorite producers list for years. That being the case, when we saw him tweet JID about a finished track, we couldn't help but be fans of the song right then and there. Appropriately titled "Bruuuh" for its ridiculous rhyme patterns and instrumentation (and for the collaboration, itself), the listener can insert a good, "Bruuuh" anywhere in the entire song, and it would be fitting. Once again, JID sprints a marathon and absolutely levels a Willie B production. To lovers of credits, this was probably JID's most important collaboration yet, as it was a sort of cosign that--even if not necessarily needed--aided and continues to aid in what we believe will be a stratospheric take off for one of the most talented MC's we've ever met, covered, or heard. Straight up. If you call yourself a Hip Hop head like we do, here at Elevated Vistas, and haven't heard JID, we're encouraging you to do so--and, soon. Because as with JID's signing to Dreamville, his explosion onto the Hip Hop scene by way of your television and radio is only a matter of time. Congratulations to Dreamville for signing one hell of an artist. And, most importantly, congratulations to JID--the latest example of an elite rapper getting the exposure and rewards that he is justly due. And, the best part? It's only just begun. Congratulations, JID. We're still rooting for you. Honorable Mention: J.I.D - Liverpool ft. Earthgang, J.I.D -October/3 Storms ft. Earthgang J.I.D - Sia, J.I.D - Pro-Verbs, Earthgang x J.I.D - Ten Ten Follow J.I.D on Twitter: @jidsv Follow us on Twitter: @ElevatedVistas Written by Ida Wonyaluv

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