#they both have yikes beliefs re: potential abuse rhetoric that they need to address to grow past and get better

[angorwhosebabyisthis]

it's wild because over the years i've gone from shipping nive with some degree or other of fluff/happy endings (or at least hopeful ones; or if it does end badly, it's due to external factors) to just unabashedly wanting them to make each other Worse

#lorien legacies #nive #LL nive #LL number nine #LL number five #five's shifting blame for his behavior onto other people/factors versus nine's gleefully seeking out targets to hurt #in situations where the power dynamic is in his favor; or he plans for it to be #and escalating every single time they make any move to set boundaries or push back; or otherwise not take it lying down #because he KNOWS there will not be consequences for his actions; other than a finger wag from someone who does #have the power to do something; because he's the group's ~lovable impulsive jerk~ and everyone will tell victims to ~get used to it~ 🙃 #and he keeps doing this and acting like he has that same power in the situation past the point where he doesn't #and is shit at actually evaluating that point; and then goes surprisedpikachu.png when there are ACTUALLY consequences #and then immediately starts trying to gloss it over and act like everything's fine when he KNOWS he fcked up past what was worth it #and then he does it again later!!! his entire relationship to a victim past the point where he can't establish /control/ to hurt them #is a) punishing them for it relentlessly; b) trying to turn other people against them/get said people on his side about targeting them #and c) is constantly CONSTANTLY pushing and pushing and pushing to trap them again where he can hurt them and get away with it #all while their only options are to be punished for standing up for themselves; or finally snapping and lashing out #and getting punished for THAT #they both have yikes beliefs re: potential abuse rhetoric that they need to address to grow past and get better #but i am significantly less sympathetic to nine's bc he fully gets away with it by the narrative's standards #and then DOESN'T address it even when he has years of breathing room; support; and Basic Fckin Maslowe Needs to do so #whereas five's circumstances from the end of UaO onward are... holy shit Not That at All; and extremely do not give him that chance #and EVEN THEN he's still grown beyond the initial steps of unraveling that logic; and continues to improve #whereas nine just gets worse and worse and becomes a MAGA ass piece of shit who has an entire persecuted; genocided race to do this to #anyway. need to write fic about them #lorien legacies tag #LL crit tag #shipping #abuse cw #dyn: lost boys