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#to the storian. that was cool. that was a fun twist
jzixuans · 2 years
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okay i lied last thought
i think the main thing that's been bothering me about the school master plotline besides lady lesso's uh . thing. was that by having him engage with the students and the professors so openly it makes it so clear early on that he's using them as chess pieces and is targeting sophie.
which isn't necessarily a bad thing because god knows that studios these days keep trying to pull a fast one on the audience, and the movie seems to be gearing more to the thesis of "there is more nuance in this world than you know" (which i believe nicely ties into agatha telling sophie that she's human at the end because it brings into the discussion a nice look at what humanizing these stock alignment fairy tale characters means), BUT i still do sincerely wish that they hadn’t name teased rafal so much and that the school master was if not morally ambiguous by matter of sheer not showing his face to anyone in centuries, then at the very least outright GOOD because the movie makes a very explicit point to show us at the very beginning that rhian the good brother is the one to survive.
because like, the audience knows that there was something dubious about the opening's anticlimax, but the rest of the school does not. if they truly were committed to suggesting that the school master had sinister motives and they were adamant that he interacted with the rest of the school, then they should have given him a kindlier or more sage personality in his introduction at orientation that would later be dropped (or not!) when sophie and agatha confronted him in the tower. like a sentence about how Yes it seemed that good has been winning for the past century, but that he has faith in both sides that they will do their best to win and that the world is still in balance. i don't know. something. i believe rafal is a better actor than that. he knew his brother best. that would have made knowing that he was up to something the whole time a lot more fun than sitting with the discomfort of his persona being apathetic at best between the schools.
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fourleafclovxr · 1 year
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seerposting (aka saderposting)
i've always been so interested in the idea of seers in sge (if we've been mutuals for a while you would probably know). because the idea of someone being able to see how the story ends (which is like, a Big Thing for literal characters in that story, and also in soman's writing) also implies the possibility of them being able to manipulate that story. to go against what was set out by the story.
i mean, august sader's whole thing in tlea was... weird? like the man is soman's eternal deus ex machina but he has his limits. if i remember correctly, he told sophie & agatha that he Saw himself telling them their backstory (sister twist etc), but that he couldn't See any further than that, and that the story depended on their choice- which he couldn't predict. but the fact that he knew to tell them that at all (even after his death) means that he could also, theoretically, choose not to do it, right?
and that element of choice itself also implies that the future, the ending of the story, is a changeable thing. that you can influence it. and if even characters can do that, why not seers? who arguably are even better equipped with knowledge to do it?
in the school years, august sader acted as an enabler to the story. i think he also appeared in otk? it's been too long since i read the books :[ actually if he appeared in otk that makes things More Interesting because at that point they were in the middle of the man vs. pen conflict. fun! tells us more about how seers work! except i don't remember if that was a thing! but basically the whole idea of Sight was so integral to the series. and then soman didn't explain it at all. (thanks soman!) so what role do Seers really play in a story that's never fixed?
and for another thing, what do seers actually work for? to continue the story or do they have their own free will? like, august sader gave rafal that whole reader prophecy about sophie. did he know he was supposed to do that, or did he just want to? i remember theorising that he did it for his sister to enter the school, not sure if that was a book thing or a fanon thing.
because it resulted in a whole shitshow (ie the entire sge debacle because sophie was marked as Special from then on), which. if you think about it, just really served to bring good and evil back together, and stopped the trend of good winning. (for the school years at least. whatever. the camelot years were not storian-approved and therefore not as relevant to the idea of seers working for the story.) so did august sader set that in motion or did he know he Had to set that in motion?
+ the whole thing about seers aging ten years if they told anyone about the future. obviously that's kind of a rule against changing the future through influencing others. but what about their own action????? wouldn't it be an interesting thing to explore, being able to write your own story? maybe even control the storian, like japeth and his man vs pen conflict?
and doesn't that make seers somehow greater than good and evil? like, the man vs pen conflict basically disregards good and evil completely. logically japeth is evil but evil was also working against him (the coven), and i really don't think he fits into the categories of good and evil set out in the school years. i think he's something even more fucked up than that. something More Than The Story. hhh soman your camelot years had so much potential to explore that don't make me do it for you
+ sader's weird seer ancestor in rise of tsfgae. i forgot what he said. he existed ig. rise of tsfgae was not a very good book so i mostly ignored what happened
tl;dr: can seers in sge go against the future (the ending of the story) or can they act independently? wouldn't it be cool if they could act independently? Wouldn't It
i know this isn't what soman's books were about, and that this is an incredibly niche and odd idea, but. seers. (august sader)
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