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knightofbalance-13 · 7 years

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Neither, it’s called “Chessmaster.”

http://dudeblade.tumblr.com/post/164537522051/rwde-theory-cinder-fall-villain-sue-or-just

You’d think a guy whose around Tv Tropes would understand this.

So… Anyone want to discuss the fact that Cinder’s plan relied completely on the good guys being idiots?

Because let’s face it; if Ozpin had sent a more competent or experienced team to Mt. Glenn, Roman and the White Fang wouldn’t have been successful.

... Dudeblade, the mission to Mount Glenn had nothing to do with the White Fang or Torchwick, it was for clearing out Grimm, that’s it. Team RWBY choose that mission so they could find the White Fang but Ozpin let them go because, being the protagonists, they would have gone anyway. ( https://youtu.be/bSdejzDaQEU?t=8m26s ). In fact, since they went there, the plan actually WAS ruined because t5hey were aiming for the time most Huntsmen wouldn’t be in the city but were forced to move early. This is very easy to fact check: the fact you didn’t shows how biased you are against RWBY.

Cinder’s plan relied on Pyrrha being in the finals, as well as Yang. While this makes sense due to them being the best fighters of each of their teams, she didn’t account for what might have happened if they had lost or chosen a different fighter.

... no, it relied on Mercury getting into the finals where he could fake an injury and on Pyrrha who she could manipulate. Yang had nothing to do with it and itb would be stupid to send out any fighter who isn’t Pyrrha: Nora is too slow, Ren is too fragile and Jaune...is too weak, too slow, too inexperienced and too...Jauney. Doing anything else would actually BE stupidity on the side of the good guys.

Cinder’s plan relied on everyone being stupid. Like the Ozluminati not acting on the fact that they are AWARE that someone hacked the comms tower? - I mean, this is how it went down: someone hacked it, Ruby SAW it, then all of a sudden, people are acting strangely.

Actually, NO: Ruby never saw it. This is Cinder hacking (https://youtu.be/0-f-mGvOba8?t=10m58s), Cinder finishing hacking (https://youtu.be/0-f-mGvOba8?t=11m22s) and this is Ruby appearing (https://youtu.be/0-f-mGvOba8?t=11m28s). Looking at the footage or even the time stamps shows that Ruby COULDN’T have known that sinbce Cinder wasn’t even spotted when Ruby got out of the elevator, let alone spotted near a place for hacking. See, this is your problem Dudeblade: You don’t do research or rewatch episodes otherwise you KNOW this.

That’s either bad writing, or it just means that Ozpin wanted that to all happen to kill off Pyrrha because the plot demanded it (And according to the writers, “It was already written. Too bad, so sad.”)

No, it just means you either don’t do research or do so but then reject facts to support your narrative.

But that “Ozpin is the bad guy” stuff is for a standard rw/by theory. Not a rwde theory.

Because that woul;d make a lick of sense and contribute to the fandom.

And there would be a good reason for JNPR to use someone other than Pyrrha. Pyrrha is a celebrity. People would know how she fights, and would probably use different dust or equipment for the sole purpose of beating her. A team aiming to beat Pyrrha would study her fighting style, and take notes of who managed to land hits and who couldn’t. They would adjust accordingly. Send in someone who is basically an unknown like Nora or Jaune would mean nobody would know how to counter them.

Except that’s not the secret to why Pyrrha wins: She doesn’t win because she’s just strong, she wins because she can subtly move her opponent’s attacks and blocks in a way she can take advantage of. As you are trying to show: Subtle changes to a plan will fuck up said plan. And since no one knows that Pyrrha is doing this (save for Mercury whose the only person Pyrrha 2faced whose weapon was a part of their body) So Pyrrha is still t5he obvious choice.

Yang is a brawler, her fighting style is predictable.

Sois teh rest of team RWBY: Weiss uses Dust, Blake uses stealth, Ruby uses super speed. Except that Weiss and Blake are not built for one vs. one combat due to their subversive style being easy to counter and Ruby is powerless without her weapon whereas Yang is perfectly built for one vs. one combat and has both the power and durability to endure such a battle. SO again, this is no more a leap in logic than a sniper choosing a spot to snip from: You cannot account for everything, just make an informed descsion.

So Cinder, what exactly was your plan if the didn’t use the obvious picks?

A. Your very sentence defeats you: They are obvious so planniong not around them is stupid.

And B. Have Mercury get capped in the knee by someone else. Pyrrha is a guarantee and Mercury’s plan needs anyone so there.

“But seriously, what would have happened if someone had seen Emerald or had detected her using her semblance? “

They’d see her doing this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iq4xplqeI0&index=42&list=PLUBVPK8x-XMhCW2fW7ZYlD9MHjvmT8IGK) And there’s no way to identify a Semblence that way. There has been no proof that you can do this so this is a leap in logic to create a plot hole. AKA a logical fallacy.

Due to the writing being really bad at times, nobody mentioned that there was a field around the arena that would prevent outside interference via mind-altering semblances. And since there’s a certain ‘knight’ who said (and I’m not kidding) “Since they never said forgery is illegal in Remnant, it isn’t illegal!”I can claim that “since there was no mention of a barrier that would stop that sort of interference, then there never was one to begin with.” and that ‘knight’ can’t claim the otherwise.

A. This adds nothing to your theory. If anything, this justifies the reason why Emerald was able to do this: You basically just confirmed what I was going to say.

B. This shows a serious flaw in RWDE: They don’t understand the burden of proof is. (https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof) It5 is not up to me to prove my side because all I am doing is showing you cannot do that: I didn’t make a definitive statement there (All I said was “You can’t prove forgery of Beacon transcripts are illegal therefore you cannot say they are illegal”) but a theory is nothing BUT definitive statements so if you cannot prove it then it isn’t correct. All i have to do is show you cannot prove that, either through an absence of evidence or evidence that contradicts you. That’s it.

Also, even if there was a barrier for that sort of thing, wouldn’t there be an official monitoring that thing? Someone making sure that there actually isn’t someone doing something like that? There would have to be a means to detect it to begin with. That official would have seen it enough times to know if something was up.

Except you cannot prove that this form of Semblence is common enough to appear to warrent such a thing or that if it has even appeared before Emerald. Ergo, this point is invalid.

But because everyone is a total moron (Or trying to get everyone killed like Ozpin), Cinder’s plan is successful. .”

Only by your illogical standards.

Cinder manages to get a person killed, and then a few moths later……… nobody brings it up……

Maybe Cinder’s plan wasn’t as successful as we initially thought. People are willing to accept people from Beacon despite it being “the place that trained Yang Xiao Long to kneecap a defenseless kid, and Pyrrha Nikos to dismember an innocent android.”

Except that it causes Dust Embargo of Atlus (https://youtu.be/rHjUHnG7WOQ?t=6m50s) implied by a fear of War (https://youtu.be/rHjUHnG7WOQ?t=8m19s) which is shared by other Kingdoms as well (https://youtu.be/VkBEzyHcbAU?t=3m57s) which means another Great War is on the horizon, which is exactkiy what Cinder wants as a servant of Salem.

AND THE ANDROID THING WASN’T EVER MENTIONED AGAIN! Seriously! Atlas is still exporting Dust (Or at least trying to) and nobody bothers to call Ironwood out on building a robot with a soul. Cinder’s plan wasn’t brilliant, but when compared to how smart the people who were supposed to be the protectors are, it was something that Albert Einstein would come up with… Y’know, if Albert was a femme fatale fire mage who used a bladed bow and arrow.

Okay, so you DON’T do research or you are WILLFULLY lying from the first sentence alone. Thanks Dudeblade, you proved yourself unreliable.

And again: Proof that Atlus itself was against Penny’s construction. The other Kingdoms maybe but Ironwood isa not concerned with other kingdoms and does not answer them, he answers to Atlus.

No more than a guy who constantly spouts stupid shit over twitter or a government so petty they’ll shut down because they aren’t getting their way. Yeah Dudeblade, I still fail to see the problem considering real life.

So, is Cinder Fall a lucky person? - Hell no.

Is she a Villain Sue? - Debatable.

Is she smarter than everyone else? - Yep.

Yes because she’s alibe after what happene dto her.

No, because I’ve seen far worse examples in far more critically acclaimed shows (NGE for example with Gendo and SEELE) so this sin’t beyond the suspension of disbelief.

And no considering she didn’t bother asking Salem about the specifics of Maiden powers.

So, considering that Cinder is the one of the very few people in Remnant NOT gunning for a Darwin Award, I’d say that she would be Remnant’s salvation if anything.

But since she is smarter than everyone else, she’s totally a villain sue.

Because she’s actually SMART. Unlike the side that decides to say that “symbolism is more important than function in every single way.”

I’m going to do a post on how stupid Remnant is now. Expect it in the future.

A. That’s all this theory is: An ad hominin against the writing as well as ignoring facts and lack of evidence.

B. Surprise, Dudeblade praises a female character. How’s the sexism going?

C. You already tried that before (https://knightofbalance-13.tumblr.com/post/163998852240/lets-start-with-you) and failed miserasbly. Do you really wanna make an ass out of yourself again?

#rwde bullshit #dudeblade

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