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(inspired by the anon who asked about the master/padawan relationships) How do you compare Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan's relationship vs Obi-Wan & Anakins? I feel like Obi-Wan loved and trusted his master more than Anakin did. Not saying Anakin didn't love or trust Obi-Wan at all but I'm not sure it was as strong. Also not saying that one relationship was perfect and the other was rotten, both had issues. But Obi-Wan remained pretty loyal to Qui-Gon, he even defied his beloved council b/c of him. Thank U!

I think the biggest different between both relationships is in the padawans upbringing. Obi-wan was raised to obey and trust his master in a way Anakin never was. Where Obi-wan learned from infancy to be subservient to his elders’ wisdom, Anakin knew better than to trust someone simply because they were ‘older’. 

So I don’t see it as a matter of one being more loyal or loving the than the other. I see it as matter of different upbringings affecting people differently. 

Unlike Qui-Gon, who was already an accomplished Jedi and master, Obi-wan was a young adult who never even got to pass his trials before he was pushed into raising a prophesied kid during his grieving process. At the same time, Anakin was adjusting to a life of freedom and duty away from everything he ever knew and love. 

Where Qui-GOn and Obi-wan had their own Jedi upbringing and tradition as a common ground, all Anakin and Obi-wan had during their first months together was grief.

To be fair, it’s hard to compare Anakin & Obi-wan relationship with any other duo because it was so unique. No other master/padawan shared the same kind experiences and processes. In the end, Qui-Gon & Obi-wan’s relationship, despite its ups and downs, was a fairly typical one. On the other hand, Anakin & Obi-wan’s were completely atypical from the start to finish. 

I guess it’s also a matter of personalities. Different people with different personalities will have different relationships and express themselves in different ways. 

Anakin loved Obi-wan as much as Obi-wan loved him (and Qui-Gon).

There were tears on Anakin’s cheeks, he could feel them. He wasn’t ashamed. He wasn’t going to apologize to anyone, not even Yoda, for caring enough about Obi-Wan to weep for him.Karen Miller. Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Wild Space

Obi-Wan had not truly allowed himself to love anything in a long time. But he had loved Anakin. Now, Anakin was dead. OBI-WAN KENOBI IN STAR WARS: LONE WOLF BY ABEL G PENA

It occurred to [Obi-Wan] then, with a clarity that was startling, given the dark side hurricane howling through him, that Yoda was wrong about the dangers of attachment. Or at least that he wasn’t altogether right. It was true that attachment could weaken a Jedi’s resolve. But it could also strengthen it … as he was strengthened now by his love for Qui-Gon, and Anakin. Without them he would have failed long before this moment. And so, leaning on them, he continued to fight. KAREN MILLER [THE CLONE WARS: WILD SPACE]

The boy [Obi-wan]’d raised and loved like a son had become a traitor. A killer. A monster. A convert to the dark side, a testament to Obi-Wan’s failure to guide, to protect. The boy, Anakin Skywalker, had died at the hands of the Emperor, and the Sith Lord Darth Vader had been born in his place. - OBI-WAN KENOBI IN JUDE WATSON’S THE LAST OF THE JEDI: THE DESPERATE MISSION

The problem was that Anakin never understood that because Obi-wan didn’t allow himself to express that love in ways Anakin could understand. Again, it’s a matter of upbringing. Where Anakin grew up understand that loving relationships were normal, Obi-wan was raised to believe that detachment was the only way.

[Anakin] had worried that Obi-Wan did not have room for him in his heart. But Shmi’s smile rose in Anakin’s mind. Hearts have infinite room, my son. It was one of her favorite sayings. Anakin sighed. He wished he could combine Obi-Wan’s cool judgement with his mother’s goodness. Someday. Maybe his Master would trust him enough to let him tangle again with the Sith. Perhaps he would never have a Master-Padawan relationship as deep and trusting as Obi-Wan had with Qui-Gon. Perhaps Obi- Wan kept his as a Padawan in order to fulfill a dying wish. But maybe it didn’t matter how it happened. He should not focus on what he didn’t have. He had this. This was his. And that was something. He would work hard. He would be a great Padawan. And Obi-Wan would come to love him. He would make him do so. [Jude Watson. The Trail of the Jedi ]

Both Anakin and Obi-wan were loyal to the masters, the difference is simply how that loyalty took shape. Qui-Gon asked Obi-wan to defy everyone to train Anakin. Anakin repeatedly defied everyone to keep on saving Obi-wan, even when his masters told him he shouldn’t.

“For Anakin,” Obi-Wan said at length, “there is nothing more important than friendship. He is the most loyal man I have ever met—loyal beyond reason, in fact. Despite all I have tried to teach him about the sacrifices that are the heart of being a Jedi, he—he will never, I think, truly understand.” He looked over at Yoda. “Master Yoda, you and I have been close since I was a boy. An infant. Yet if ending this war one week sooner—one day sooner—were to require that I sacrifice your life, you know I would.” “As you should,” Yoda said. “As I would yours, young Obi-Wan. As any Jedi would any other, in the cause of peace.” “Any Jedi,” Obi-Wan said, “except Anakin.” Yoda and Mace exchanged glances, both thoughtfully grim. Obi-Wan guessed they were remembering the times Anakin had violated orders—the times he had put at risk entire operations, the lives of thousands, the control of whole planetary systems—to save a friend. More than once, in fact, to save Obi-Wan. “I think,” Obi-Wan said carefully, “that abstractions like peace don’t mean much to him. He’s loyal to people, not to principles. And he expects loyalty in return. He will stop at nothing to save me, for example, because he thinks I would do the same for him.” Mace and Yoda gazed at him steadily, and Obi-Wan had to lower his head. “Because,” he admitted reluctantly, “he knows I would do the same for him.” [Matthew Stover’s Revenge of the Sith]

Ultimately, both duos had a deep bond of love and loyalty but how that bond took shape was different because of their unique situations.  

#that last Matt stover quote absolutely KILLS ME #OBI WAN KENOBI LITERALLY WTFFFFFFFF #WHY DO I FALL IN THIS HOLE ONCE PER YEAR #they’re just so CLENCHES FIST - TRAGIC #SW #obi-wan Kenobi

[thefatlannister]

when obi-wan said 'I won't kill anakin' and then spent the entire rest of his life following through on that. fuck everyone else obi-wan I respect you yoda should've taken you at your fucking word

'boohoo why did he walk away and not kill anakin this time either even with all the suffering he'll go on to cause if he lets him go' he's told you why very clearly you just didn't believe him I guess!! desperately not killing anakin is obi-wan's main export. it's his universal constant, his life's work, his magnum opus. he gets creative about not killing that guy. he tries to send anakin's teenage twink son to do the job for him because he simply can't. he fucking... peaces out and dies to avoid killing anakin. that's like his whole deal. whether he's right to be like this is another entirely separate conversation but it is what he is

#oh this is so Real #sw #obi wan I Stan you

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Cassian Andor + sexiest moments in season 1

#for some reason that “drop the weapon moment with Syria #did something to me #p**** p***** #Andor #sw

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one of the senators at Mon Mothma’s party turning the conversation away from the Empire’s crackdown with some jokes vs. Cassian being in prison with 24/7 surveillance and threat of torture because of that crackdown… the choices privilege affords you and Cassian’s “we don’t all have the luxury of deciding when and where we want to care about something” in Rogue One really are hanging over this whole show huh

#not all the mon moth ma scenes giving me ptsd #it’s too accurate #Andor #sw

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i love how when it comes to rebelcaptain and them being a thing in the beginning diego was like “i’ll let the audience decide that” then some time passed and he went “jyn and cassian would grow old together and sell fridges” and now he’s just unhinged “OBVIAMENTE!!!! there was totally something between them and it will last forever they’re 100% canon”

credit to @camisopaipilla on twitter for the subtitled video

#sw #I’m genuinely afraid to rewatch rogue one after finishing Andor #can’t bring myself to do it I’m. it mentally healthy enough #it may actually trigger a psychotic break I’m already on the edge— #Andor

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#oh this scene was so sexy Tony gilroy YOU ARE SO SEXY #this scene is just like - cassian is a rebel now #he gets it. he understands the importance now of solidarity #of ideas #of community and trading your one last grain of hope between two people like it’s the last gasps of oxygen in a scuba tank #this is Rogue One Cassian #this is the cassian that will take down the empire by keeping the people around him with him and empowered and alive #I’m throwing up #andor #sw

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DIEGO LUNA as CASSIAN ANDOR in ANDOR | THAT WOULD BE ME

#literally bearded Diego Luna changed my brain chemistryLITERALLY #sw #andor

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“i don’t want to be alone. i want Maarva”

#DEATHHHHHHHHHHHH #sw #andor

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ANDOR 1.12 “Rix Road”    

#I need this hug #I need to hug them both like this #fr #sw #andor

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Who else knows? About what? That you were born on Kenari. [...] Well, everyone I've told is dead. That's ridiculous. Jezzi. Sammo. Huh? That's family.

ANDOR Season 1 (2022)

#baby kassa is my son #grown Andor is my husband #sw #andor

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“And I could cry power.”

ANDOR Season 1 (2022) + Hozier - Nina Cried Power

#andor #sw

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Has anyone done this yet?

#cassian andor mvp #would hit #ledge #sw #andor

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ANDOR 11. Daughter of Ferrix

#sickening SICKENING #sw #Andor

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Brasso passing along Maarva’s messages to Cassian and giving Cassian the most heartfelt hug of all time, then putting on his uniform to honor Maarva’s memory, swing Maarva’s brick to kill some fucking fascists, fight through the crowd to scoop up Wilmon, and get him and a bunch of others on a ship to safety. literally who is on his level. who is doing it like him. sir I would die for you

#I say this with my FULLLLLL chest. with every reproductive organ I have: #husband MATERIALLLL #sw #andor

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“I love him more than anything he could ever do wrong” (ANDOR 2022—)

#k this is it this is the final stra— #sw

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ANDOR 12. Rix Road

#I cried reading the gif set 😭 #sw #andor