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I'm six chapters in to Northanger Abbey and have reached an important conclusion:

If Catherine were around today, she'd totally be a Twihard.

#northanger abbey #catherine morland #jane austen

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#elsa #frozen #fanart #frozen fanart

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Rapunzel throughout the show seems to struggle with (to borrow a psych term) 'theory of mind' (recognizing that other people don't know everything you know, think the same way you do, or like the same things you like). She knows that wasn't her intention, so of course Cass knows. Which...yeah. :/

...And another item for the list of 'ways the show actually did a very good job of depicting what 18 years of isolation with only an abusive gaslighter for human contact' does to you!

This bit kinda makes me laugh cause like….no Rapunzel, she doesn’t know that.

And this just made me realize, that’s another implicit lingering problem in Cass and Rapunzel’s friendship is neither of them fully trust each other enough to properly communicate. Rapunzel especially just expects Cass to know what’s going on in her head.

#tangled the series

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^Pinkie Pie, who made her enemies surrender by doing just that^

#funny

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Thanks so much for putting this together, OP! Really fascinating to see how the show evolved.

Some thoughts:

Personally, I think they switched from 'Handmaiden' to 'Lady in Waiting' because of the former reason. I kept thinking back to the Alex Hirsh 'S&P' video which showed the Disney censors are very strict. A censor very likely saw 'Handmaid,' jumped to 'Handmaid's Tale,' and made sure it died a rapid death.

I completely agree with you on 'King Pascal.' That old 'Timon and Pumbaa' show had a trio of 'tribal people' recur from time to time and yeah, it was awkward (and, frankly, in terrible taste) as all get out. While I think there could have been a great deal of fun to be had with Raps getting mistaken for a goddess, it's best they shifted to Pascal and leaf people (disclaimer: I was a huge Lion King kid and absolutely cannot stand the Timon and Pumbaa show)

OMG, no Fidella?!? :(

You are also right: we will never recover from 'Brotherhood of the Stone.' 🤣🤣🤣

Comparing the Text of the "TANGLED: Before the Ever After SERIES BIBLE" and the "Tangled The Series: Series BIBLE"

I wanted to compare the text from the two Tangled bibles from the Disney leaks since there seemed to be a lot of overlap in the language and I was interested to see what had changed between the initial BEA bible(2015) and the TTS series bible(2018).

I'm in the asoiaf fandom and we do this with old George RR Martian drafts and manuscripts all the time, a sort of literary archeology. I took the plain text of both documents and ran a comparison to see what had changed between the two bibles. ((My dumbass put the 2018 TTS document as the original and the 2015 BEA doc as the "modified" one. So the Struck through text is actually the older/original/BEA.))

So obviously, the TTS bible was far longer since it was created and modified far later into development and even after wrap. It encompasses waaay more material. So naturally, all the S2 material outside if a brief synopsis was not in the BEA.

S1 Characters that do not appear in the 2015 BEA bible, but do in the 2018 TTS bible include: Angry, Red, Sugarby, Monty(even though his episode was), WRECK MARAUDER (Same as Monty), Fidella, and surprisingly: Stan and Pete.

And most surprising of all: the Captain didn't have a character profile in that initial document even though I could swear he has more episodes than characters like Lance, Varian, Quirin, and Xavier who all do have profiles in the 2015 BEA one.

I wonder if this indicates the order in which the characters were developed, or if they had different initial plans to use certain characters with more frequency and that didn't work out.

And as I sort of mentioned, in the BEA document, there were only summaries of six episodes after the special; "Challenge of the Brave," "Rapunzel's Enemy," "Cassandra Vs. Eugene," "In Like Flynn," "Under Wraps," and ""Fitzherbert PI."

It's fascinating to me how most of these are Cass and Eugene focused eps, with only one truly Raps focused one.

Anyway...

First big difference in the text:

By far the most common and consistent change between versions was Cassandra's job.

In 2015 in the Before Ever After pitch, she was consistently referred to as a "handmaiden" and then as of the 2018 TTS series bible this was changed everywhere to "lady in waiting".

I always wondered about this shift. At first I wondered if the change was to distance the show from the wildly successful, but thematically dark/adult "Handmaid's Tale" which came out within like a month of TTS, but now I'm wondering if it was more to align her thematically with her later characterization of "the Lady in waiting who is sick of waiting." It's probably that latter option. But I did kind of prefer the handmaiden angle since a lady in waiting is still comparatively powerful nobility. And imo a "maid" taking on a Kingdom is way more sympathetic than a lady doing so. It could have just added that extra layer of class conflict, but oh well.

No matter the reason, "Handmaiden" is out, "Lady in waiting" is in!

Attila got a little fleshing out between versions! Though this never seemed to materialize. I almost wonder if someone needed to hit a word-limit or something. I would have liked to see an ep showing Attila more and more integrated into Coronan society. See his progress from S1 to S3.

It seems the decision to have the full entourage outside of the main three on the mission might have been a later addition. (Alternatively the 2015 bible might have just had need to be more short and concise with the S2 details.)

It did seem(unfortunately) like the spare 5 didn't contribute much to the overarching plot, so I wouldn't be surprised if that were true. (And I'm including the Hookfoot filler episodes with that.) It would have looked pretty different, but might have been more character focused if they had gone in that direction.

Seems the Lorb episode was originally REALLY different...

The idea of them being mythical leaf people was a later addition, as well as the island aspect of the setting.

And it looked like the human "distinct tribe of people" were originally going to be worshiping Rapunzel and not Pascal. I can certainly see why they changed this so much.

It would be hard for Raps to beat the Demigoddess allegations and maintain the everyman vibe, plus the God Guise/Cargo Cult tropes are awkward as hell in that context.

"The Brotherhood of the Stone" ?

"The Brotherhood of the Stone" ?

"The Brotherhood of the Stone" ?????

..... Brotherhood fans btfo, its so over, we will literally never recover from this. *passes away*

No but really, no distinct mention of Adira or someone in her role. I wonder if the idea of discord/disagreement among the Brotherhood members didn't come about until later.

This is pretty cool! I didn't know that "Plus Est En Vous" seemed to be the initial name for the special! Then it got changed and used for the finale.

It also looks like "Cassandra vs. Eugene" was a pretty different episode initially as well.

It looks like originally, the scavenger hunt was not intended to lock them in the dungeons, and the Stabbingtons weren't involved.

I'm kind of of two minds on this one since on the one hand I like when decisions are deliberate and not just a matter of coincidence gives the characters agency. Plus I like the Stabbington's as villains and was glad to see them. But on the other hand, Rapunzel locking people in a cell when being locked away against her will is so central to her character and no one ever calling her out for it was so off-putting to me. Plus it made the Stabbingtons much less threatening.

I almost want to see that original version of that ep. I wonder if it would have been more character-focused.

And the last little changes I noticed were to "In Like Flynn" where they changed the word "crime" to "scheme" in the description and dropped the "King" for just "Frederic" probably just to convey the lighter tone of the episode better.

Oh, and one more!

The "Moonstone" didn't seem to be named as of BEA and there was some intentional(?) ambiguity about Edmond and his title and origin.

Overall not a lot of big differences. But it was a bit surprising what elements and characters where emphasized compared to what ended up manifesting in the show.

#tangled the series #tts bible

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✨💛🌼 this user loves the character of Fanny Price dearly and does not find her boring or lacking 🌼💛✨

#mansfield park

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Baby Cass: This is the most important moment in the history of Corona.

Cap: Sweetheart, you're not the first kid to ride a pony.

Baby Cass: I don’t wanna be dramatic but I feel like my entire life has been leading up to this moment.

Cap: You made a similar speech last week when you made me buy you the banana cream pie.

#tangled the series #cassandra #little cass #captain of the guard

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some old carmen art from like 2021

#fanart #carmen sandiego 2019 #carmen sandiego #carmen fanart

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Yup, that's us! We love him, and so he must suffer. 😁

Me, @frozenwolftemplar and @nerdasaurus1200; AKA The Cap Angst Squad.

#tangled the series

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*GASP* 😍😍😍

That is gorgeous!!! Absolutely stunning (as That Image always is).

Are you going to be selling these? I specifically collect Cass-themed fantasy pins and would leap at the chance for a new one (especially with such awesome art!)

After lots of workshopping, here's the final (or nearly final) mock up for me and @xannerz 's Cass enamel pin!! The colors may still change a bit depending on the manufacturer.

We just sent her off for quotes, so we'll have more info on the price and turnaround time soon.

#tangled the series #cassandra #moonstone cassandra #enamel pins

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I will forever wonder if that was intentional, or the happiest of coincidences.

(either way, I'm glad of it, considering the poetic-ness of it all fanfic mileage I'm getting out of it 😁)

This is just me reading into this too much but !

In Greek mythology, Cassandra was a priestess of Apollon who was cursed so that everyone would ignore her prophecies even when they're true, and Cassandra always feels like she's being ignore and no one would acknowledge her, even when she is the one with the most training to know what to do in situations <3

#tangled the series #cassandra #fic inspiration

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....

You know that thing where you're reading an art book or looking through scrapped concepts for a movie and you find that one thing you really wish made it to the final product?

Yeah. That.

Mysterious in what, what, and WHAT

#tangled the series #xavier

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I am reading these and toying with how well they line up with how I write them in my fics and am having a time.

On the one hand, Arianna's is fantastic, especially the whole 'disagrees with her husband in private' thing. That is a headcanon y'all couldn't pry from me with a crowbar and I love seeing it here. 😊

Fred's...it's good, basically how I see him, with one exception: his relationship with Cass.

TTS PITCH BIBLE: Yeah, he's cool with her. He had a hand in her upbringing. 😎

MY HYPOTHETICAL FIC BIBLE: Can't stand the sight of her. She reminds him of everything he's missing by not having Rapunzel with him and lowkey blames her for the Guard not bringing her back that first night. He's jealous of what Cap's experiencing and does his level best to act as though Cass doesn't exist; if only Cap would make good on that threat to ship her off to a convent...

Basically just having a grand old time. 😁

Frederic and Arianna's little blurbs in the TBEA/TTS Season 1 pitch bible

#tangled the series #arianna #frederic #fic inspiration

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...Wow.

Honestly, that sounds exactly like something that would have happened in one of those direct-to-video Disney sequels (like 'The Little Mermaid 2' with Ursula's sister). While it *can* work, I think what we wound up with works better; it hurts way more if (a) they were genuinely friends and (b) Cass gets that moment of realizing she's always been disposable.

OH MY GOD IT’S CANON CASS DOES ADMIRE ARIANNA

AND THE OUTRIGHT STATING THAT SHE LOVES BOTH ARIANNA AND RAPUNZEL TOO! FOUND FAMILY FOR THE WIN

Also the bit about Cass keeping secrets kinda reminds me of the original draft where she remembered Gothel

#tangled the series

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This looks like such fun, I'd be racing to do it...if I was more of a shipper. 😅

@twotangledsisters Would love to see this for your version of CassXCaine, though (if you're interested)

I just found this on twitter, send me ships in my ask box and I’ll fill it out for them!

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I remember these; the one on the verso is actually on the back of the Hal-Leonard piano book for the movie (source: the Hal-Leonard piano book for the movie sitting by the piano)

Textless Frozen Posters

#frozen #nostalgia

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I somehow missed this the first time I reblogged: there was a draft where she remembered Gothel???

Personally, I like it better when she doesn’t (all the better for angst and I love writing a character with repressed memories besides). Still, I wonder what that would have been like 🤔

OH MY GOD IT’S CANON CASS DOES ADMIRE ARIANNA

AND THE OUTRIGHT STATING THAT SHE LOVES BOTH ARIANNA AND RAPUNZEL TOO! FOUND FAMILY FOR THE WIN

Also the bit about Cass keeping secrets kinda reminds me of the original draft where she remembered Gothel