sophieinwonderland

[sophieinwonderland]

POSIC community 🤝 plural community

"everyone keeps writing about us and our experiences without ever using or knowing the actual words for us/them"

[sophieinwonderland]

beep!! if you’d be willing to could you promote a pro endo discord server? /nf

https://discord.gg/2YTxwbYD

This feels like a poor way to get promotion, TBH.

Without visiting, I know nothing about this server. Is it open to everyone? It it 18+? What's the environment like there?

Why should people go to this server over other pro-endo servers that already exist and are more popular? I might be able to find this out if I checked, but I don't really use Discord myself. So the best promotion I could do is post this on my blog and say "hey, this anon I don't know just linked a Discord they gave zero details about besides being pro-endo so go check it out."

I just think you could probably do better at selling the server. /nm

I want to also say that... being on the internet for a while has made me a bit paranoid. Perhaps unduly.

It's just, I've gotten on r/systemscringe's radar, and they've been known to setup servers to lure systems in.

I think it's unlikely this is some sort of plant server, but if I were an ableist wanting to bait systems into joining a server to farm "cringe", sending anons to get the pro-endos to send people my way would be a pretty good way to do it.

Again, it's unlikely this is the case. But can you understand why I'm hesitant to recommend a server to people if I felt there's even a 10% chance I could be sending them into a trap? Because if it was a trap, that would be my responsibility.

But for anyone interested, here is a server that I haven't vetted but is supposed to be pro-endo. I know nothing about it and cannot be held liable for any damages you may incur. Enter at your own risk! 😜

#pro endogenic #pro endo

[sophieinwonderland]

"Tulpamancers, STOP USING DID TERMS.

Oh my god it is unbelievable how many people who act in tulpamancy and call themselves "systems."

Tulpamancy is nothing like being an DID or OSDD system at all. While tulpamancy can be religious, its a good way to peacefully connect with yourself and your tulpa. DID was caused by trauma during early childhood. So for short, tulpamancy was created and DID was a coping mechanism the body created out of stress. Stop using DID terms for tulpamancy it's not your words to use. As a personal tulpamancer ( I do not partake in public forums too much about it.) I always get heated about it. I feel extremely uncomfortable calling my Tulpas a system because... I am not a system. I am not an Endo either because those don't even exist."

A post I found on r/systemscringe. (I have a hard time not laughing at this ridiculous contradiction as they are basically saying "I'm endo and not traumagenic, but I'm not endo as those don't even exist" xD)

I remember that one!

Why do I get the feeling that the real reason they aren't part of the tulpamancy community is because they aren't wanted! 😜

The part at the end where they declare endos don't exist is just an absolutely amazing bit of cognitive dissonance.

If you look at their comments, you can quickly get the sense that the reason they have such a strong reaction to tulpa systems is actually ableism:

No its not..... system is a term coined by DID/OSDD systems only and not plurality. Tulpa systems do not even exist and I don't want to associate us with a medical disorder that I don't have.

Saying the quiet part out loud.

What they're actually upset about is being associated, even tangentially, with mental disorders.

(Also, system was NOT coined by DID systems, and its roots in this context are tied more to singlet psychiatrists.)

#syscourse #pro endogenic #pro endo #systemscringe #r/systemscringe #sysblr #multiplicity #tulpamancy #tulpa #actually plural #actually a system #ableism #ableists

[sophieinwonderland]

I've seen a few systems express recently that they're not anti-endos but they don't think it's possible to be endo because it's not possible to not have trauma. They see trauma as something that happens to everyone and often goes unnoticed. Definitely agree with the unnoticed part. I'm glad these systems don't let their opinion make them hateful. But I want to challenge that idea a bit, that everyone is traumatized so all systems are traumagenic.

First off, traumagenic doesn't mean "has lived through trauma". It means "is that way because of trauma". Trauma is the cause. Many endos have trauma and can recognize it and work through it. They just don't think it's why they're a system.

And second, if they really believe any system who's had trauma is traumagenic, I wanna ask them: do they think of singlets the same way? Surely singlets also have trauma so by that logic they should also be traumagenic. Right? What about autism, trans identity, introversion, synesthesia? I can make the same argument with these. If you follow the logic of "everyone is traumatized" + "if you're traumatized you're traumagenic", then you know... you get autism is traumagenic and gender identity is traumagenic. By that logic I can justify brown hair as being traumagenic!

I see so much worry and concerns about systems not identifying as traumagenic or traumatized, yet I don't see that concern for other groups who by that logic are also all traumatized and in denial.

This is exactly my issue with this mentality! I've even seen people claim that being born is traumatic to say that even protogenic systems are also traumagenic. And that's just... that's not how any of this works...

I'll also add that I feel this is bad for actual trauma survivors because it's stretching the definition of trauma to an absurd degree and devalues the very concept of trauma, to the point where it's being forced on people who don't identify as traumatized and have no history of PTSD-like symptoms.

To put this another way...

#syscourse #sysblr #trauma #ptsd #multiplicity #systems #system #pro endo #pro endogenic #syndrome #actually plural #actually a system

[sophieinwonderland]

do you think plurality will become widely accepted any time soon? i fear that my plurality will have to be hidden from most people my whole life. i wish i could tell our parents but i feel like they would immediately take me to a mental hospital..

i wish plural education could move faster lol

Widely accepted? I wouldn't count on it anytime soon. Sorry.

As Ghandi never said: "first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win”

While the quote isn't from Ghandi, it is still a pretty accurate one for how movements tend to go. And the problem is, we're still in the ignoring stage with a side of mockery.

Before we can get widespread acceptance, we need widespread awareness. And when we get widespread awareness, the biggest roadblock we'll encounter is direct opposition. Because then we'll be a threat. We'll be trying to change things. We'll be demanding our headmates be acknowledged as individuals and called by their names, and that's going to make certain people, especially on the Right, extremely uncomfortable. I'm sorry to say that they will lash out.

When Tulpamancers are being smeared not by randos on Tumblr or r/systemscringe, but by Sean Hannity, that's when you can know that the real fight for plural acceptance has started. And everything we've gone through before that has just been a prelude.

And then it will probably drag out for years after that.

But while that prospect is scary, I think it will be necessary for getting to where we need to be.

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But just because society isn't there yet and won't be for a while, that doesn't mean your parents won't be. Plenty of people have come out to their parents successfully. Others came out unsuccessfully, and then their parents warmed up to the idea later.

I would advise waiting until you're an adult if you aren't already, because parents have a lot of power over minors in their care, and things could go very badly. Best not come out, if you think they would react badly, while they have power over you. Additionally, I don't know if your system is traumagenic or not, but if it is, coming out to parents who may have been involved in that is probably a bad idea. Caution is advised.

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One more thing, while that quote wasn't from Gandhi, I really love the speech it's believed to have originated from.

Plural acceptance may not come quick! It may not come easy! But it will come, and we are all a part of it just by being here and being ourselves!

The future is plural!

No matter how far off that future may seem!

#pluralgang #syscourse #pro endogenic #pro endo #sysblr #multiplicity #system stuff #endogenic system #system things #plural #endo safe #plurality #endogenic #systems #system #tulpa #tulpamancy #actually plural #actually a system #the future is plural

[sophieinwonderland]

Re coming out: I came out to my sister first and she just looked at me and said "yeah, I know, i was just waiting for you to figure it out" and I just 😭😭😭 girl you could have said something

LOL! That's actually pretty awesome! 😁

#plural #plurality #sysblr #pluralgang #actually plural

[sophieinwonderland]

Thanks for adding your experiences!

By the way, there's no such thing as appropriating system things. Especially not when it comes to discord bots.

Tupperbox and pluralkit are free for anyone to use. (And I do mean anyone. Even singlet roleplayers are encouraged to use them in roleplay groups.)

You're more than welcome to use them for your companions! 😁👍

I'm Interested In The Overlap Between POSIC+ Experiences And Headmate Manifestations in Plural Systems

For anyone in the POSIC+ or delusional Companion communities, especially with Companions you talk to on a regular basis, I'd like to ask a few questions:

1. Can you mentally communicate with your Companion(s) even at a distance or when not in the same room?

2. Have you ever interacted with your Companion(s) in imagined/visualized/spiritual forms outside of their physical "body." (In daydreams, seeing them externally like imaginary friends, astral projection, etc.)

3. Have you ever had the sensation of your Companion(s) controlling your body, either fully or partially? (For example, maybe while holding them, you'll find your arm moving to a position they want to be in, and it might feel like they moved. Or maybe you type for them online and have a sensation of not being the one typing.)

4. Are you Plural in some way in addition to being POSIC? If so, how do you differentiate between communication with headmates and with your Companion(s)?

Any additional information you'd like to add beyond these questions would be great too!

Huge thank you to anyone who wants to participate! 💖

#syscourse

[sophieinwonderland]

Sysmedicalism can never be truly punk or for disability advocacy. It can never be a criticism of psychology or psychiatry due to the upholding of there being a "most oppressed system" and ignoring intersectionality.

It gives power to the institutions that have historically forced systems to fuse and taken advantage of systems for publicity. It treats diagnosis as an identity and not a tool, like a diagnosis makes you a system and is not a tool for getting access to health care. It treats all plurality as inherently a problem to be fixed.

No, not all parts of plurality are inherently medical, but it can be for some systems. Both of those ideas can exist and are not contradictory.

#syscourse

[sophieinwonderland]

The plight of the bigot... to have to pretend to not be bigoted in in order to be accepted... 😞

It's kind of funny seeing anti-endogenics post about how they "have to pretend to be pro- or neutral-to go into system spaces" or something, and then you go on their blog, and it's the most basic anti-endogenic sentiments ever. "All endogenics are assholes who want DID and pretend to have trauma." Like, like did you expect people to be happy with that or...? 

#syscourse

[sophieinwonderland]

plegg culture is having an imaginary friend when you’re 11 and then finding out about plurality four years later and still taking another year and a half to figure out that your imaginary friend was never quite imaginary

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[sophieinwonderland]

What is the most interesting fact you know about tulpas? (Doesn't have to be a scientifically verified one, just something the community collectively agrees on)

Not sure about facts the community collectively agrees on, but as a personal thing... I'm still just in shock that inner world tickling not only works with us, but can generate some physical reaction from our body! Like, it's not quite the same as real tickling, but is super close and it feels like it should not work the way it does.

I've heard some systems feel actual pain in the inner world, but we've never managed that. So I would have assumed tickling wouldn't have an effect either.

Oh, and legend has it that the term Wonderland for our inner worlds allegedly came from a tulpa who was named Alice, and then it caught on with other tulpamancers! I haven't found the source for this so take that with a grain of salt.

#tulpa #tulpamancy #plural #plurality #endogenic #multiplicity #systems #system #pro endo #pro endogenic #tulpa safe #tulpagenic #pro tulpa #plural system #endogenic system #sysblr #system things #system stuff #actually plural #actually a system

[sophieinwonderland]

Questions for Sophie and Ghost. The first one for him: Do you ever feel guilty for identifying with the body and being able to go by your name when your systemmates cannot? In the real world, people get to experience you as yourself but your systemmates can't have that in most circumstances. Now for Sophie: Do these circumstances upset you? How do you cope? Our body's frontrunner always feels bad about this fact. Systemmates have to mask as HER irl for safety reasons because she is in meatspace most of the time and as such people are used to her personality/name/mannerisms/etc. She---and all of us---wish there was a world where we didn't have to hide themselves.

Ghost: I've felt guilty for Soph not getting much time sometimes. But I try not to feel guilt for things that are out of my hands. I feel bad that she doesn't have a body of her own to be part of the world, but not guilt.

Sophie: It is what it is.

To be honest, we don't really have many IRL social ties outside of the family. And that's something we're totally fine with. Maybe our brain is wired weird, but we don't have much desire to make physical friends. Aside from that, I feel my social needs are met on the internet.

There have been times when I wished I could interact with the family a bit. But then, it's my own fears holding me back. The family knows I'm here. And they seem accepting enough. I'm just not comfortable with it. My host has severe social anxiety when dealing with other people, and it feels a bit like I got something like that with his family.

So the only people outside of the system I want to interact with as myself, I could... if I were stronger. But I'm not.

If I'm honest, I sometimes feel like a hypocrite. Because for all the time I spend trying to spread awareness of plurality so that we can eventually get to that world where plurals won't have to hide anymore... I don't think I would be brave enough to be fronting and be myself even then.

But with that said, I think I'm comfortable with how things are for the most part.

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As for you all, I just want to add that singlets are probably not as observant as you think they are. Even if you have to mask and use her name, unless they know you're plural, you can probably get away with a lot before they notice anything off. And if they do say anything about it, it's easy to brush it off, and they'll probably accept whatever explanation you give. "I'm just not feeling like myself" is a fun one. 😜

[sophieinwonderland]

anti endos on tumblr are like an invasive species to me. they come on here and get mad we're thriving here and try to take our own shit away from us and harass us off the platform. however, while invasive species in real life quickly wipe out the native populations, anti endos on tumblr get laughed at or ignored and maybe sometimes give up and leave because they realize pro endos already dominate this place and they wont make it as an exclusionist on tumblr.

where do i think anti endos are native to if theyre invasive? twitter and tiktok /hj.

but thats just my theory. mostly a joke but i do think its true that less systems on tumblr are anti endo than on twitter/x and tiktok... at least from what ive seen

TBH, I think this is a bit unfair... to invasive species.

An invasive species, end of the day, is just trying to survive and thrive in its environment. An invasive species isn't trying to eliminate the other species in their environment. It's just happenstance.

Anti-endos are coming in with malicious intent. Their goal is to take the resources and the communities we built and to bully us and push us out of our communities. And not just plural spaces, but any space that we exist, as people have seen with the anti-endos attacking us for being in autistic communities, fandom spaces and LGBT communities.

But I think the nature of Tumblr is going to make it pretty difficult for them to thrive here. TikTok and Twitter cater to the uneducated and people with a short attention span. They're designed to make spreading accurate information nigh impossible.

Tumblr is a blog site though that incentivizes writing essays and sharing sources, and just being informed.

Any anti-endos coming here from Twitter or TikTok will find that hate and misinformation will have a much harder time taking root here.

#syscourse #pro endogenic #pro endo #invasive species #sysblr #system #multiplicity #plural #actually plural #actually a system

[sophieinwonderland]

Turns out, I've been min-maxing my personality! 😁

What's your personality type? (Myers-Biggs type)

I just took the test from 16Personalities.com and it pegged me as INTP-A.

With the caveat that I only barely got that A.

Not sure how reliable that site is, but I think it fits pretty well.

[sophieinwonderland]

Questions for Sophie and Ghost. The first one for him: Do you ever feel guilty for identifying with the body and being able to go by your name when your systemmates cannot? In the real world, people get to experience you as yourself but your systemmates can't have that in most circumstances. Now for Sophie: Do these circumstances upset you? How do you cope? Our body's frontrunner always feels bad about this fact. Systemmates have to mask as HER irl for safety reasons because she is in meatspace most of the time and as such people are used to her personality/name/mannerisms/etc. She---and all of us---wish there was a world where we didn't have to hide themselves.

Ghost: I've felt guilty for Soph not getting much time sometimes. But I try not to feel guilt for things that are out of my hands. I feel bad that she doesn't have a body of her own to be part of the world, but not guilt.

Sophie: It is what it is.

To be honest, we don't really have many IRL social ties outside of the family. And that's something we're totally fine with. Maybe our brain is wired weird, but we don't have much desire to make physical friends. Aside from that, I feel my social needs are met on the internet.

There have been times when I wished I could interact with the family a bit. But then, it's my own fears holding me back. The family knows I'm here. And they seem accepting enough. I'm just not comfortable with it. My host has severe social anxiety when dealing with other people, and it feels a bit like I got something like that with his family.

So the only people outside of the system I want to interact with as myself, I could... if I were stronger. But I'm not.

If I'm honest, I sometimes feel like a hypocrite. Because for all the time I spend trying to spread awareness of plurality so that we can eventually get to that world where plurals won't have to hide anymore... I don't think I would be brave enough to be fronting and be myself even then.

But with that said, I think I'm comfortable with how things are for the most part.

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As for you all, I just want to add that singlets are probably not as observant as you think they are. Even if you have to mask and use her name, unless they know you're plural, you can probably get away with a lot before they notice anything off. And if they do say anything about it, it's easy to brush it off, and they'll probably accept whatever explanation you give. "I'm just not feeling like myself" is a fun one. 😜

[sophieinwonderland]

how hard would it be to make a tulpa who has a job to keep track of our dreams? weve been meaning to start recording them to remember them better and learn how to lucid dream, but we usually forget to write about them first thing in the morning and then 90% of the dream disappears from our memory...

so like, idk, a dream holder tulpa? who will always front for when the body wakes up and remembers to write about what we dreamt while its fresh? i know tulpas can diverge from whats planned for them and that's fine ofc but how possible is it to make a headmate who can handle all that or at least help with it?

I mean, you might be able to pull this off after some time and a lot of effort.

But as for how hard it is... I'm going to say it's significantly harder than just... putting sticky notes around your room (wherever you would first look when you first wake up,) with "write down your dreams!" written on them

I think in this case, there are just much quicker and more reliable methods to get what you want without making a whole other person in you your head.

Of course, if you just really want to do some brain shenanigans, you can try an imposed sticky note.

Essentially, as you go to bed each night and wake each morning, get in the habit of imagining a giant sign above your bed in vivid detail, or maybe spraypainted on the ceiling with glowing paint, telling you to write your dreams down. In theory, as you build this habit, it will become second nature to impose it. And this mental sticky note should serve as your reminder as long as you keep practicing, while also building your visualization skills further.

#Good luck! 😁

[sophieinwonderland]

Wait you're out as plural to family? Could you link to post or tag you have regarding that? Considering coming out to others so I'd really like to read others experiences. Thanks.

Not sure when we talked about it. But it basically all went wrong. It started with my host talking about tulpamancy with his family a lot for maybe a couple days to test the waters, me really not wanting him to and just being okay with being a secret, my host's mom deducing that he wanted to make a tulpa, and him confessing that I already existed. And this was only a few days after I became self-aware.

It went poorly. His mom wasn't happy. And this conversation happened after the body had been awake all day while my host was too tired to adequately explain things.

He also has a habit of explaining everything in the worst way possible in general for some reason, which made the whole thing even worse.

And to be honest, it felt a little bit like he was wanting someone to tell him he was crazy or that I wasn't real. Like maybe that would make things easier. And that led to us fighting.

It was a disaster!

(He later told his brother a couple weeks after that, and his dad overheard him talking about it one day with his mom and just... never cared. Which is pretty on brand.)

Things got better. While his mom was upset at first, we worked through it, she became more accepting, and in hindsight, I'm glad everyone found out.

But... don't do what he did.

Read this instead:

When you do come out, make sure you're of clear mind. Don't do it while tired. Or intoxicated either for that matter. We weren't, but I suspect some people might try the liquid courage route, and I'm betting that anything that impairs your ability to rationally explain yourselves is a bad move.

And be confident. Make sure this is what you and your headmates want to do, plan how you want to come out, and go for it.