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#Tyler Lockwood deserved better
cancerian-woman · 2 months
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Unpopular opinion: Tyler should’ve killed Hayley and he wasn’t wrong for trying to.
Another unpopular opinion: I think Michael Trevino (along with Kat Graham) was done wrong by Plec due to him being a non white hispanic man. Tyler Lockwood could’ve been SO MUCH BETTER and could’ve had such an interesting storyline and character development along with Bonnie if Plec wasn’t a racist bum.
Facts. Not trying to make this super long. Hayley would’ve deserved whatever Tyler decided to do. She betrayed him first.
People seem to only see “innocent Hayley who’s pregnant by Klaus” but forgets that Tyler’s intentions were rooted in protecting the werewolves as a species. The irritating part in this is that it was all done on TO. Which means they weren’t going to actually let Tyler do anything to Hayley. Depending on how a fan watches the franchise Tyler looks like the villain here. Hayley even calls him a “backstabbing half breed”. I do find it funny she became a “half breed” and never shut up about being one after that lol.
I talked about how Hayley’s death is a karma moment here.
You aren’t wrong. Tyler is white, but it’s clear he doesn’t look white. He looks NOTHING like his family members. Klaus/Caroline exist as a ship to constantly sideline him. When Tyler was the introduction to the werewolves.
Michael Trevino and Kat Graham deserved better more than words can say. Their characters were used as plot devices and never given the same push as their white counterparts.
Isn’t ironic that two characters Tyler and Bonnie were introduced with these unique bloodlines yet we’re done the worst. I’m so pissed that we learn in TO, Tyler’s would’ve been protecting the hallow bones. It would’ve been pleasing as fuck to see Hayley BEG Tyler for help after she betrayed him.
Julie and the other writers were so racist they couldn’t even at least let Tonnie happen as a ship. Instead, Tyler ends up dating one of the many white Bonnie’s of TVDU lol. (i meant Liv Parker).
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sunshinebarbie95 · 2 years
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Tyler Lockwood isn’t perfect but at least he isn’t a mass murderer and didn’t try to kill Caroline multiple times
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azurecanary · 2 years
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Let's talk about the worst TVDU deaths that infuriate me and how they could've not happened, an essay by me:
Tyler Lockwood: They brought this man back just so he could be killed by Damon. WHAT WAS THE FRICKIN POINT?!
How it could've been prevented: To quote Mr Miyagi "no be there", just don't have Tyler there! Give him freedom from this awful story!!!!
Cami O'Connell: They took everything I hated about Killing Joke and Laurel's death and put it into one death. While I loved her final episode, her death was stupid and could've very easily been prevented. Cami was dying due to upgraded werewolf venom which was lethal to vampires, so the easy solution, is to make her human again. It's established in the TVDU that magic can make vampires human again. All you need is 1) a powerful source of magic (in Esther's case, the Bennett bloodline; in Freya's, the Ancestors) and 2) magic from the witch who started the vampire bloodline (since Esther made her children into vampires, she was able to reverse it; while Freya was channeling the power of the Ancestors who made Lucien). We had both of those things ready! Surely a Nexus Vorti (which resurrected both Mikael and Kol) could've restored Cami. And a Nexus Vorti is itself described as an exceedingly rare event, a miracle (i.e. the birth of the Tribrid and the breaking of a vampire sireline). I'd be willing to wager that the death of an immortal (such as an Original) would've provided such a thing. And which Original died just days before? Ah yes, Finn. Who was made into a vampire by Esther. And there you go! The two things you need! A Nexus Vorti to power the spell, and Esther's magic to undo the original spell (since Cami was a part of Rebekah's sireline, who was also turned by Esther, it works). They could've just had Davina, Freya or Vincent (it would've been more meaningful if it was Davina) channel Finn's death (she wouldn't even need to do it as Finn is dying given that she channeled both Hope's birth and Klaus' sireline breaking after the fact) to restore Cami to human and, thus, save her!!!!
Joshua Rosza: You're telling me, that Josh died from stumbling into upgraded werewolf venom that just so happened to get his heart? Come on!!!!!!!!
Rafael Waithe: While he didn't really die, I'm still counting it cause it could've been solved so easily. He's a werewolf, whose best friend is the Original Tribrid, and who was dying. Anyone else seeing the solution? Why did no one, not even the smart people, think to just give Raf two doses of Hope's blood?! One for before his death, and the second for when he wakes up in transition?? So simple!!!! And you get another Hybrid (and then Hope finds a way to give up the sirebond willingly cause that plot line is dumb)!!!
Also, Sophie Deveraux was an underused character with so much potential (iirc, she's the first bisexual TVD character) and was also stupidly killed off.
Tl;dr TVD hates my favourite characters.
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daenysthedreamer101 · 3 months
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TVD S5 EP11&12 (mostly a rant about Tyler and Caroline)
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I'm not even gonna talk about the first 10 episodes, Silas was annoying AF I'm glad he's dead. Also, Katherine as a human was hilarious.
Tyler deserved better. I said it. I never really understood the Tyler hate. Like, yeah he was a douche in S1 but if we're judging him by his S1 personality shouldn't we all hate Caroline by that logic? Cause she was kind of a bitch in S1.
Caroline sleeping with Klaus...yeah no I don't even know what to say. I knew it was coming, just didn't know when. It was dumb and just didn't really make any sense to me. I was never really on board with them, to begin with.
Why did Klaus come back to MF in the first place? To see Katherine dying? Anyways... It always felt to me like Klaus was being really pushy and trying to flirt with Care when she was obviously not into it (she seemed pretty content and happy with Tyler)
Like sir, you have a whole ass baby on the way (idk what happened with that storyline cause the Mikaelsons went to New Orleans and I'm not watching TO rn) and you're here in MF trying to hook up with a girl who repeatedly told you she wasn't interested. Dare i say, you look kind of pathetic.
Tyler my boy, you deserve better, you really do. And then, when he hears Care talking to a Katherine-possessed Elena about Klaus he is obviously heartbroken.
Look, Care, I like you, I really do, but I can't defend you on this one. It's preposterous to me that she's the one acting all shocked when Tyler gets upset. Like, you slept with the man who ruined his life, who killed your best friend's aunt (RIP Jenna you will always be missed), and oh, killed his mother! (RIP Carol you were innocent)
Also, this might just be me, but did everyone forget that Klaus was gonna kill Care in the sacrifice ritual thing back in S2? Maybe I'm just really bad at letting things go but I would never get over that? Like I would never want to be friends let alone anything more with a person who brought so much suffering to me and my friends.
You almost died because of him, twice! Damn it Caroline, where are your morals!?
Call it a moment of weakness I guess, but still, it was hella stupid. And then Stefan defends Caroline? Like no don't defend her she did a stupid thing!
Tyler is my guy and I like him. I understand not liking his character but you cannot seriously say that he was in the wrong in this situation. He had every right to be upset. And Caroline was stupid for what she did. Maybe it's because Klaus said "You'll never see me again" so she thought "fuck it, I might as well since he'll be gone for good" but still dumb af
The show has been off the rails since S4 it can only be worse from here lol
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elijahfavv · 2 months
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forwood>klaroline
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Sorry not Sorry but they were the cutest. And Tyler deserves sm better, the writers did them dirty with the whole kl*roline thing.
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hyperactivewhore · 2 months
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It's always gonna be hilarious to me how Hayley actually thought she had a chance with Tyler after sentencing his pack to death.
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fearlessfairy · 1 year
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I'm kinda tired for Caroline being labelled as the best girlfriend in the world and no one being worthy of her except one (Klaus)…
i'm tired of argument "Tyler chose revenge over her, Klaus did not". Sorry, but I'm sick of it. Tyler chose revenge because she gave him an ultimatum. Klaus VICTIMIZED TYLER, HE HAD NO RIGHT FOR ANY REVENGE JUST BECAUSE TYLER FREED HIMSELF AND TURNED AGAINST HIM.
Tyler was still severely traumatized. Caroline after her mom's death switched her humanity off and bullied her friends. Even tho it's a bit unfair to compare the pain, I still it's easier to deal with that your parent died of natural causes. Tyler? His mother died terrified! It was not a natural cause, it was a m-rder. Straight up mu-rder to torment Tyler. God, Klaus even mocked and laugh into Tyler's face for it. She expected him to party and move on like nobody m-rdered his mother, like nobody enslaved him, killed his friends and was hunting him for fighting oppression? Again, SHE TURNED OFF HER HUMANITY AFTER HER MOTHER'S DEATH, SHE DID NOT DO THE BEST DECISION TOO, BUT NOBODY SAID THEY ARE DONE WITH HER, she had still her door opened. Sorry, but Caroline did not give a sh!t about his mental health. But she's the one who felt mistreated, she was the one who was mad and slept with the one who tormented all of them, just because Tyler did not have the strenght to move on yet. "Not a villain of my story". Sorry, but the one who does this to people I love is maybe not a villain of my story, but I'm not gonna shag him. Do not even let me start how season five of The Originals sugarcoated all previous events. It's fine when you are ok with the past, but srsly, this is not the case. Klaus left dead bodies of people Caroline knew, he almost killed people closest to her, he tortured a man she loved, he tortured her best friends and traumatized them in worst way possible, he almost killed her two times, almost sacrificed her, said into her face he will kill her boyfriend, watched her dying in pain.
Tyler was not a perfect boyfriend. But Caroline definitely was not a perfect girlfriend. Sorry, if she loved him that much, why she was so fast done with their relationship and hopped on a dick of someone who she did not even love? Just because she felt hurt, that Tyler's world doesn't just revolve around her? Because she wanted her scandalous sex? Everyone says how it's all about her feelings for Klaus, but it always strikes me as part of the post-breakup sulking.
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imhereforthetryus · 6 months
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how is it werewolves die from a broken neck… they break every bone in their bodies atleast once a month and you’re telling me a neck snap is the way to kill one?? Like i accept they can die from any other natural ways a human can die but a neck snap????
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andreal831 · 2 months
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I know you like bonenzo, but what are your thoughts on Carenzo?
I loved their banter throughout season 5, and in season 6 I fell in love with them and was really disappointed when they didn’t ever get together. Enzo is actually my favorite Caroline ship, as Matt was just bad for obvious reasons, Klaus hurt her multiple times (you could honestly call it abuse) and she used him all the time, and I just found her and Stefan extremely boring. I actually liked her and Tyler together, but too much damage was done for them to ever end up together imo.
Also do you think you’ll continue with TGW outtakes? If so, would you consider writing some extra scenes with Elijah, Hayley, and Astra while they were in France?
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I adore platonic Carenzo.
If the writers hadn't been so determined to sideline Bonnie and prioritize Damon, Steroline and Bonenzo could have been such a fun group. Enzo and Stefan would have annoyed each other but they would have put up for it for Caroline and Bonnie. I wish they would have continued Stefan and Bonnie's friendship from the early seasons rather than giving it to Damon. It always seemed more realistic for me. Also, Enzo's loyalty to Damon and hatred of Stefan never made sense to me. Honestly, Enzo and Stefan could have bonded over being betrayed by Damon. Enzo just decides to forgive Damon for abandoning him and killing his love and blaming Stefan for everything??
I personally never wanted Caroline and Enzo to be romantic. They bonded during a time where Caroline really needed a friend and Enzo stepped up. It is one of the reasons I love Enzo's character. Enzo was the character they wanted Damon to be. He did a lot of bad (even terrible) things but was striving to be a better person and actually made himself a better person. I would have been fine with them writing Damon off and brining in Enzo for better storylines than they gave him. I also just love Michael Malarkey.
I am a huge advocate for platonic relationships. It's fine to ship people, but not everyone who gets along needs to be romantically invovled. Although I do definitely see why people ship them. But I liked that Caroline and Enzo grew to care for each other but never needed to make it romantic. And honestly, Caroline needed just friends. I feel like the writers were matching her up with anyone she came in contact with. Stefan was gone for five seconds and they had Enzo flirting with her. I wanted the show to focus on friendships/family more than the ships at times.
My favorite ships for Caroline are Steroline and then Forwood. I love friends to lovers. Nearly all of my favorite ships are. Both Steroline and Forwood had that great foundation before they started dating. They were each other's best friends. To me Steroline was always endgame. The way they fought for each other and looked out for one another was great. Forwood is a close runner up and would have been endgame had Klaus not gotten in the way for no reason. Tyler didn't deserve anything Klaus put him through. I think they could have found their way back to each other but they had both already moved on by the time the dust settled.
I did actually like Matt and Caroline at times but they were both just in emotionally fragile spots when they dated. But they were a cute high school relationship. I don't consider Klaus and Caroline a relationship -- it was just straight abuse.
I know I went on a lot of side tangents, but thanks for the ask! I don't talk about TVD nearly enough.
I am continuing TGW Outtakes! I'm also already writing scenes of them spending the weekend in Paris. There will be lots of wine, art, and kissing. I am just writing very slowly now that we are near the end of the story. There are so many lose ends to tie up.
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Tyler: leaves to avenge his mother and get his freedom back, had a hard time walking out, but knew he needed to put his mental health first.
Fandom: OMG TYLER IS SUCH AN ASSHOLE. HE CHOSE REVENGE OVER HER.
Klaus: chooses Caroline over “revenge” aka not torturing the girl who’s family he murdered because she saved her own life, STABBED Caroline with a lamp and wouldn’t heal her until she and Tyler had to plead with him.
Fandom: OMG KLAUS IS THE ONLY ONE WHO PUT CAROLINE FIRST. SHE NEEDS TO GO TO NOLA TO BE WITH HIM.
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cancerian-woman · 3 months
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Do u think what Kelly Donovan did to Tyler counts as SA
he was 17 and very drunk and she was a grown woman
I’ve seen people say it doenst count though like huh
Tyler being disliked in the fandom ties into how they feel on what happens to him. Kelly Donovan was the adult in the situation and 100% took advantage. Tyler is the same age as her children to really put it in perspective. She should’ve refused and controlled the situation. She is an adult, there is no excuses.
People say it doesn’t count because Tyler consented to it. Tyler’s a male, she’s an older woman so it should be seen as “sexy.” Sexual assault isn’t taken very seriously by the TVDU fandom because TVDU never wants to call it as it is. They rather sweep it under the rug.
Marcel and Rebekah are another example of when the woman needed to set boundaries versus taking advantage of the male. It’s Rebekah though and no one wants to call her a groomer but she looks like one when Marcel met her as a child and has had feelings for her since then. In none of Marbekah scenes with child!Marcel does Rebekah ever refuse Marcel’s advances. Katherine assaulted Stefan but that is glossed over.
Women are just as capable of being sexual predators.
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sunshinebarbie95 · 2 years
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I don’t know man I just have a hard time with people (mostly klaus stans and klarotrash shippers) shitting on Tyler Lockwood for going after Hope when Hope’s father made Tyler’s life a living hell and killed Tyler’s friends and mother and Hope’s mother betrayed Tyler and was the reason Tyler’s friends and mother were killed but those same people weren’t bothered when klaus killed twelve innocent people just because they didn’t want to be his own personal slaves like does anyone see the problem with that ?
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xxgothchatonxx · 7 months
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Tyler Lockwood was the Jonathan Harker of TVDU.
Oh, not in the book!Johnny sense. No, in the adaptation sense of "wow these writers clearly hate Johnny and either want to make him be Just There or He's Actually The Bad Guy Not Sweet, Innocent Dracula"- yeah Kl*us was Dracula. I know Julie clearly wanted him to be her Lestat (when he was actually Marius) but "let me brutally assault people who daaaaare stand against me" is very book!Drac.
Also Johnny and Mina's epic romance is constantly knocked down by a lazy, gross pairing between Mina and her beloved Johnny's abuser. Hmm, sounds familiar.
In conclusion - Tyler should've hit Kl*us with a shovel. And Caroline (Mina) should've smacked him over the head with a typewriter.
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vicontheinternet · 2 years
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the fact that ppl could forgive both elena and stefan for zeroing in on their hate for they specific big bads when they turned their humanity came back on but not tyler for “abandoning caroline” when klaus literally ruined his life, killed his mom and pack is beyond me. even going as far to say it wasn’t none of his business, they’d do it too or that he had no right to get mad at caroline for sleeping with klaus is weird because they have no problem with everyone putting their morals on the line for elena especially because he killed jenna and elena but isn’t ok for tyler because caroline was being a “#girlboss 😛🤪”
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killerforklaus · 2 years
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i am a tyler lockwood hater until i die
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dr-lizortecho · 2 years
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I’m just- look, Tyler risked his life to dance with Caroline because it was important to her, the boy didn’t give a frick about prom or school dances
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