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rjalker · 2 months

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Reposting for 2024. Originally made in 2023. But bigots keep being bigots.

Allos in this year, 2024, still don’t see aspec orientations as genuine orientations. They see it as an empty space where the orientation is inexplicably missing, so they see a character who is cannonically aroace and viscerally repulsed by all forms of relationships and touch, and think that, because this is a “lack of orientation” rather than an orientation directed at, explicitly, no one, they think it’s perfectly fine and not bigoted at all for them to shove their orientations onto the explicitly Queer character, erasing the aroace representation in favor of turning it into another Cis Gay Man who uses he/him…even though the character is literally nonbinary, and uses it/its pronouns.

Because they also see being nonbinary as a “fill in the missing parts” puzzle. They think the character describing its gender as “not applicable” and “indeterminate” means that, really, it’s a guy! it’s a man! Because it’s funny and relatable and only Men™ are relatable! Only Male Characters™ can be funny and well-written!

In 2024!

Fully grown adults are fucking pulling this shit in 2024 and think they’re the perfect Queer Allies™, and like this isn't the world's most basic misogyny to top off the exorsexism and transmisia. You people are so proud to admit that you think women can't be funny. And think nothing of it. Do you have any idea how bad you look doing this shit, even if you ignore the fact that you're shitting on nonbinary people?

You people don’t see aroace or nonbinary people as actually existing, and actually having meaningful identities. You think we’re walking fucking ad-libs and you can fill in the “blanks” with whatever’s most palatable to your tastes.

And that means misgendering the canonnically nonbinary character who uses it/its pronouns, erasing literally every single aspect of its identity that gets in the way of shipping it (removing its aceness, its aroness, or just straight up pretending it’s not aroace to begin with, and erasing its solitaremit touch averseion and disgust towards sex and intimacy of any kind), and then pretending their actions are completely harmless when they’re called out for it.

Because according to them, it’s not bigotry if the canon Queer identities they’re erasing are the ones they think don’t exist in the first place. Being aroace isn’t an orientation for them, it just means you’re broken and need to be fixed. Being nonbinary and using it/its with them isn’t a real gender identity and presentation, it means they’re something wrong with you and you need to be fixed. Being touch averse isn’t a real disability, it just means there’s something wrong with you, and you need to be fixed.

They don’t fucking see Murderbot as representation for real Queer disabled trans people. They see it as something broken that needs to be fixed, by taking away everything that makes it who it is, so that they can fill in all the now gaping wounds with their own much less stigmatized identities instead.

Even though the literal entire theme of The Murderbot Diaries is that you should treat people with respect even if you don’t understand their experiences.

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rjalker · 2 years

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Anyways don't you just loathe how amisics mocked and hated the split attraction model and made up all kinds of shit about how it was harmful and damaging but now they think it means they have an excuse to ship an aspec character with someone as long as they can claim they're "just" asexual, or "just" aromantic? Despite the character very blatantly being aroace? Despite the character being equally horified by mentions of romance as it is of mentions of sex? Literally thinking to itself that it would rather stab itself in the face rather than listen to people talk about romance or sex??

Now these amisics are like "Well actually, there's no evidence that this character is aromantic, it's just asexual!" despite it being the same character who just said it'd rather stab itself in the face than listen to people talk about their romantic relationship.

Like.

Amisics hate the split attraction model when they're using it to pretend aspec identities are homomisic, but once they think they can use it as an excuse to ship aspec characters who are literally horrified and disgusted by the thought of being in a relationship, suddenly it's all the rage and just beacuse a characters' asexual doesn't mean they're aromantic too! Even though it is just as blatantly aromantic and repulsed by romance as it is blatantly asexual and repulsed by sex.

I'm not in the Marvel fandom or whatever iti s, but I know this was also recently an issue with some aroace character from the comics, and I think it bears talking about.

Allo³ people think the split attraction model gives them a free pass to erase the aro part of "aroace", because while some of them will begrudgingly accept asexual characters, they refuse to give up their desperate clinging to the idea that romantic love is the be all end all of happiness in life, and will insist that it's okay for them to ship aroace characters by pretending they aren't actually aro, since they haven't explicitly used the word "aromantic", even though they'll accept that the character in question is asexual with no problem, even though the word "asexual" has also literally never been used, either.

Like.

The split attraction model is great for people who use it themselves.

But allo³ people think it gives them a free pass to be aromisic and it's really fucking obnoxious. They really go "well I can excuse asexuality but I draw the line at aromanticism".

some people really just need to admit amatanormativity has a strangehold on their worldview and they're fine with that. Some people really just need to admit they hate aromantic people and think we're boring and can't ever actually be happy unless we're in a romantic relationship, because they think romantic love is the only way you can ever be happy, so the only way a fictional character can ever really be happy or heal from trauma is to be in a romantic relationship -.-

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rjalker · 2 years

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The rest of you people in the Murderbot fandom better start calling out the fucking aroacemisia, ableism, and transmisia in this fandom or you're just as a fucking bad, for the record.

Correct people when they misgender Murderbot if they're new to the series and are doing it by honest mistake.

A simple "Just so you know, Murderbot's pronouns are it/its, not ___ :)" can fucking suffice. You can literally even copy and paste that and just put in whatever pronouns it's being misgendered with.

Call out people who are doing it purposefully and knowingly.

Refusing to use someone's pronouns is always fucking transmisic, and it's not okay to misgender people who use it/its pronouns any more than it's okay to misgender someone who uses he/him, she/her, or they/them.

Any fucking argument anyone tries to use to justify misgendering Murderbot or any other character who uses it/its pronouns in this series is an argument that is used to justify misgendering me and other real people who use it/its pronouns.

People using it/its pronouns is not some hypothetical theoretical idea that only exists in fiction. We are real people and we deserve respect, and if you can't even pretend to respect our fictional counterparts, then you just need to admit you're a transmisic.

Call out people who erase Murderbot's touch-aversion and act like it's something that needs to be fixed/something ~love~ can or should fix.

The Murderbot Diaries is literally the only fucking actual representation of touch-aversion I have EVER FUCKING SEEN where it is actually portrayed respectfully without being treated like a joke where character A says they don't like hugs and character B immediately hugs them and refuses to let go and says A needs to just admit they love it already.

I swear to fucking god. I finally find actual representation for touch-aversion that does it right, and of fucking course ableists in the fandom have to fucking ruin everything by pretending "it's not actually touch-averse, it just has trust issues! It's not actually touch-averse, it just tells itself that so it doesn't think about how much it wants someone to touch it!!!! It's not really touch-averse, it's just never been touched by someone it likes!!!"

Literally shut the fuck up. Touch-aversion is not something that needs to be fucking cured. It is not something you have the right to fucking erase when The Murderbot Diaries actually fucking portrays it respectfully.

Call out people who erase Murderbot's aromanticism to pretend like it's just asexual. I am so fucking sick and tired of aromisia. Everyone acts like they're totally fine with ace people now but nooo, respecting aro people is taking it too far, apparently.

Fucking amisics spent years hating on and and sending death threats to anyone who used the Split Attraction Model, but now aromisics think it gives them a free pass to insist that characters who they'll admit are ace can still be shipped romantically because being ace doesn't always mean you're aro!!! The exact same fucking way amisics said only "lgbt aces" were fucking acceptable.

Murderbot is not just ace. It is not just repulsed by sex. It is aro. It is just as repulsed by the idea of being in a romantic relationship as it is of having sex. It literally said it would rather stab itself in the face than listen to people talk about their romantic relationship or have sex. Its reaction to being asked if it has "a relationship" with ART is horror and disgust to the point that it's shouting, even after Ratthi clarifies that he didn't mean a sexual relationship. Murderbot still finds the word 'relationship' disgusting, even when it's been clarified that it's not referring to a sexual relationship. It still finds the idea of being in a romantic relationship, literally this is a quote, "disgusting"

Literally here is the quote:

It still sounded disgusting. “Do you have to call it a relationship?”

Aromisics arguing that there's no evidence for Murderbot being aro and claiming "that's just fanon" because the word "aromantic" itself is never used is just fucking absurd. By that reasoning, Murderbot isn't fuckng asexual either, or touch-averse, or nonbinary, since the word "asexual", "touch-averse", and "nonbinary" aren't ever fucking used either -.-

Literally imagine being so aromisic and obsessed with shipping that you look at a character who literally says it'd rather stab itself in the face than listen to conversations about romantic relationships and arguing that "there's no evidence that it's aromantic". Literally imagine being that fucking aromisic and obsessed with shipping.

Murderbot does not need to be in a romantic relationship to be happy. Murderbot does not need to be in a sexual relationship to be happy. Murderbot does not need to "admit it enjoys being touched" to be happy. Murderbot does not need to change its pronouns to be happy.

You people are just transmisic, acemisia, aromisic, and ableist.

You are missing the entire fucking point of this series -- that people who are different from you do not need to become like you in order to be treated with respect.

If you refuse to interact with media without frantically searching for romance to ship, go read literally any other fucking book series, or find something by literally any other fucking author. Martha Wells has been writing aro characters for years.

If you think Murderbot's not aromantic because the word "aro" isn't ever specifically used, you are, quite literally, an aromisic. Are you going to argue next that it's not really nonbinary since it the word "nonbinary" isn't ever specifically used, either????

Literally not even in reference to Rami does the actual word "nonbinary" get used. Are you gonna argue that Rami is actually totally a binary man or woman, then????

Other fucking people in this fandom better start calling out this fucking bigotry. I'm sick of it.

This is literally the only thing I have ever seen where touch-averse characters are actually treated with respect, to the point that before I read these, when I made a post criticizing the fact that no one literally ever respects touch-averse characters in any stories I've ever seen and just treats our boundaries like hilarious jokes to violate, I had half a dozen people in the notes recommending this series. Because it's literally the only fucking representation anyone's ever fucking found.

If you do not use it/its pronouns, you have an ever greater fucking responsibility towards calling out people misgendering Murderbot in this fandom. I am tired of having to fucking call out people who are being transmisic towards people like me. I am tired of having to listen to their arguments about why it's actually perfectly fine to misgender people who use it/its pronouns.

Call out the bigotry in this fucking fandom, especially if you are not the target of that fucking bigotry.

If you are not aromantic, if you are not touch-averse, if you don't use it/its pronouns, you better do your fucking part to defend the people who are.

This fandom won't be fucking welcoming to people who are actually like Murderbot unless the people who aren't step up and do their fucking part to make it hostile to the bigots who think they can erase every part of Murderbot's identity that's inconvenient for them.

If you claim to care about Murderbot as a character, then do your fucking part to make this fandom actually safe and welcoming to people who share the same fucking identities that Murderbot has.

#Murderbot deserves a better fandom #Murderbot #Rjalker watches The Murderbot Diaries #The Murderbot Diaries #secunit #discussion of ableism #discussion of exorsexism #discussion of misgendering #discussion of transmisia #discussion of amisia #discussion of aromisia #aroacemisia #aromisia #acemisia #amisia #discussion of aroacemisia

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rjalker · 2 years

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Aromisics are like "it's not canon that Murderbot's aromantic, there's no evidence for that!"

Meanwhile, Murderbot:

I hadn’t bothered to monitor them on ART’s cameras or try to slip a drone in; the chances that they were having sex and/or a relationship discussion (either of which I would prefer to stab myself in the face than see) were far higher than the chance that they were saying anything I needed to know about.

Murderbot: Yeah I'd rather stab myself in the face than listen to people talk about their romantic relationship.

Aromisics: IDK, I can't read suddenly, it's only asexual, it's totally fine for me to ship it with people, aroace people don't exist, they don't ever explicitly say the word "aromantic" so it's okay for me to erase this very blatant part of its personality for my shipping obsession :)

literally here's more examples since aromisics want to pretend they don't know how to read:

I’d seen it on the news feeds. And the entertainment feed, where the bots were all happy servants or were secretly in love with their guardians. If it showed the bots hanging out watching the entertainment feed all through the day cycle with no one trying to make them talk about their feelings, I would have been a lot more interested.

It also sounded vaguely like the break-up part of the romance scenes on the shows I watched, most of which I usually skimmed over.

I knew from threat assessments on Ratthi’s associates that he had a lot of relationships with all genders of humans and augmented humans and he and they all seemed very happy about it. Amena should ask him for advice. I didn’t think she wanted to hear that, either.

Then Amena said, “Do you love my second mother? Thiago thinks so.”

I should have known this was going to turn into an interrogation. I said, “Not the way he thinks.”

Ratthi sighed, leaned against the wall and said, “So, you have a relationship with this transport.”

I was horrified. Humans are disgusting. “No!”

It still sounded disgusting. “Do you have to call it a relationship?”

(sarcasm:) yes because allo-romantic people totally go around calling romantic relationships "disgusting" all right, that's totally normal for allo-romantic people to do (end sarcasm)

Like people I don't think I've read a single book by Martha Wells so far where the protagonist wasn't aromantic. I don't know if Martha Wells knows the word aromantic even exists. But literally all her protagonists in all her books I've read so far are aromantic, even if that word isn't ever explicitly used.

Literally just look at The Books of the Raksura.

Look at The Fall of Ile-Rien.

If you're a fucking shipping obsessed aromisic who only cares about media when there's romance in it, go find another fucking author, because you have come to the wrong fucking place.

Stop erasing Murderbot aromanticism just because you're fucking obsessed with shipping.

Murderbot does not need to have a romantic relationship to be happy. You're just an aromisic who is missing literally every single point in this series.

#Murderbot deserves a better fandom #discussion of aromisia #Murderbot #Rjalker reads The Murderbot Diaries #discussion of amisia #aroacemisia #aromisia #amisia #discussion of aroacemisia

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rjalker · 2 years

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Let's get one thing fucking straight for the ableist, amisic jackasses in this fandom:

Mensah is Murderbot's owner.

The books do not fucking gloss over this fact. Every single fucking time Murderbot talks about Mensah being its "guardian" it then immediately states, multiple times, "yeah, that's literally just a nicer word than 'owner'. I'm still property".

Mensah is Murderbot's owner.

Murderbot is Mensah's property.

Both in the Corporation Rim, and on Preservation, whether or not the people of Preservation want to admit it. The fact that they literally won't fucking admit it is literally a problem in the books. It's literally stated over and over that this is an issue that needs to be dealt with.

Murderbot is Mensah's property.

Mensah is Murderbot's owner.

"Guardian" is just a nicer word for "owner".

Everyone is aware of this. Murderbot is aware of this. Mensah is aware of this. Martha fucking Wells is aware of this. The only one who's not painfully aware of this fact is Amena, because she's a naive kid. And Murderbot has to deal with the fact that she's a naiave kid who doesn't want to aknowledge the fact that Murderbot is property, which just piles more fucking stress onto it when it's already stressed to the point of literally having a mental breakdown. And that's the fucking point.

At no fucking point does this series let you forget the fact that Murderbot is still fucking property. Even in Preservation, it still doesn’t have equal rights. None of the non-humans in Preservation have equal rights. They have more rights than in the Corporation Rim, but they are still not treated as equals. More rights than in the Corporation Rim literally just means “more than zero”. More than zero isn’t fucking good enough.

It is literally a major plot point of the fucking series that Preservations laws were created to give humans rights, and bots rights, but as a construct, Murderbot slips through the fucking cracks, and gets treated worse than both, because it doesn’t fit neatly into either category.

Murderbot is Mensah’s property. Before Mensah bought it, it was the company’s property. She bought it from the company. It is literally her property.

You do not get to fucking pretend that it’s okay for you to ship Murderbot with Mensah when the fact that it’s literally her property is explicitly stated over and over and over and fucking over again. Martha Wells does not fucking let you forget this fact. This fact is not up for fucking debate.

Even Mensah herself fucking admits that she’s been taking advantage of Murderbot -.- you amisic, ableist jackasses do not get to pretend there’s nothing wrong with shipping a slave and its owner when the series itself never fucking lets you forget that this is what the situation is.

#Murderbot #The Murderbot Diaries #discussion of amisia #discussion of ableism #Murderbot deserves a better fandom #Rjalker reads The Murderbot Diaries #Ayda Mensah #SecUnit #if you're fine with this shit block me now #The rest of you people better condemn this shit or I swear to god #discussion of aromisia #aroacemisia #aromisia #acemisia #amisia #discussion of aroacemisia

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rjalker · 2 years

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"we aren't bigots in this fandom, that's why I think it's hilarious that you're upset by the bigotry in this fandom. Why don't you stop criticizing the bigotry and instead shut up and suffer through it in silence? I don't care anyway, I think it's actually really funny how upset you are by transmisia, amisia, and ableism!"

Yeah, you guys sure are supportive of aroace and touch-averse people /sarcasm.

And don't anyone go acting like I'm making this shit up.

#Murderbot #Rjalker reads The Murderbot Diaries #Murderbot deserves a better fandom #ableism #free blocklist #discussion of transmisia #discussion of amisia #discussion of aromisia #aroacemisia #aromisia #acemisia #amisia #discussion of aroacemisia

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rjalker · 2 years

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I'm just giving this thing it's own post for posterity so no one can act like this shit doesn't happen.

Today's July 21st, 2022, for people reading this post in the future.

If you're in The Murderbot Diaries fandom and you think calling out bigotry is worse than people being bigots, then yeah, you are the exact sort of people I'm calling out and you are, in fact, a bad fucking person.

This is going in The Murderbot Diaries tag so you people can see the kind of shit I have to put up with while everyone just pretends like there's no problem with bigotry in this fandom and they don't have to do anything to call it out.

If you want this fandom to be safe for people who are actually like Murderbot, the kind of people Murderbot actually represents, then you need to do your fucking part to call out the amisia and ableism in this fandom.

You need to call out people who erase the fact that Murderbot is aroace and doesn't want a relationship.

You need to call out people who erase the fact that Murderbot's touch-averse and act like touch-aversion is something that needs to be "cured" through romance or sex.

You want to make this fandom actually safe for the people Murderbot actually represents? Then do your fucking part and call out the bigotry when you see it. No, staying silent and not saying anything is not doing your fucking part.

Staying silent in the face of bigotry is literally siding with the bigots. Aroace and touch-averse people and people who use it/its pronouns should not be the only fucking ones in this fandom calling out the amisia, ableism, and transmisia.

If you think you're an ally to aroace people, to touch-averse people, to people who use it/its pronouns, then no, you do not get to sit silently and no say anything when people in this fandom are bigots. You have to make your own fucking posts calling out the bigotry.

If you think me calling out the bigotry in this fandom means I deserve to face the bigotry I'm calling out, or if you think calling out bigotry means I'm interacting with this fandom in "bad-faith" then just do everyone a favor and admit you hate aroace people who don't want relationships, you hate people who are touch-averse, and you hate people who use it/its pronouns.

Just admit that you hate the people Murderbot actually represents.

Because we can already fucking tell.

Here's a link to the archived version of the post below.

oddgirls said:

I don’t understand why people are suddenly mad about Murderbot/Mensah shippers in the Murderbot tag??? Not because I ship them, but because almost nobody does… There are 0 fics on ao3 that are tagged Murderbot/Mensah. I’ve been active in the Discord server for ages and never seen anyone discuss shipping them.

This is not a widespread thing in the murderbot fandom. There is one recent post I see here in the tumblr tag talking about shipping them, that’s literally it. why spend your time getting so angry and painting the entire fandom in broad strokes because of one post

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Glad to hear it, but I was going into the tag and found not only the recent person saying that Murderbot and Mensah need to kiss, but I’d also run into quite a few other people who were shipping Murderbot with a variety of other people, including people who straight up said “it being aro is only fanon” as an excuse to continue shipping Murderbot with other characters in romantic or sexual situations, depaite having literally any other character in existence they could use for their shipping fuel.

Murderbot is the only canonically aro and ace representation I have ever seen in a book, (outside of Moon from books of the Raksura being Aro, also by Martha Wells) and to dive into fandom only to see people erasing it’s orientations (and pronouns) in the name of shipping not only pisses me off, but is incredibly hurtful, because many people still see being ace or aro as meaning you are “broken” in some way, and with Murderbot ’s trauma, people shipping it with characters “to let it heal” just sounds like every “I could fix you” any aspec person has ever encountered from the people who take their orientation as a personal challenge.

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Rjalker said:

Because this is not the first time I’ve seen people doing this crap and every single time I go into the Murderbot tag I see something like this, whether it’s people being transmisic, ableist, or amisic.

This isn’t a widespread problem you say?

Well you want it to stay that way? You have to make it clear that shit like this – amisia, ableism, and abuse apologism – will not be fucking tolerated.

If you just wave it off as not a big deal, then you’re literally just inviting more people to do it.

Every single time I go through the Murderbot tag I see people being bigots. They’re either being transmisic by acting like it/its pronouns are bad and it’s okay to misgender people who use them, they’re being amisic by shipping Murderbot with people and erasing its aroaceness, sex-repulsion, and romance-repulsion, they’re being ableist by erasing its touch-aversion and acting like it’s something that it simply needs to be “cured” of through fucking romance, or they’re shipping it with Mensah, it’s legal fucking owner.

If you think it’s fine for people to do these things, you are just as bigoted as they are.

If you think erasing all of Murderbot’s identities that get in the way of shipping IS bad, then why are you upset about me calling it out? Why are you more upset by me being upset by bigotry than you are the bigotry itself?

Just because this is the first time you have ever seen anyone ship Murderbot with Mensah does not mean this is the first time it’s happened. Just because it doesn’t exist on Archive of Our Own does not mean it’s not a problem.

If you want the lack of Murderbot/Mensah shipping to STAY a small part of the fandom, then you have to do your part to condemn it.

I am not “painting the whole fandom in broad strokes” I have literally never said the entire fandom as a whole is bad.

But if you decide that complaining about me criticizing the bigotry is more important than criticizing the bigotry itself, then yeah, you will be the part of the fandom I am criticizing.

If you think it’s okay to ship Murderbot with Mensah, or with anyone at all, by erasing its aspec identities, by erasing it’s touch-aversion, then yes, you are one of the people I’m talking about.

If you think it’s BAD to be amisic and ableist and ship people with their owners, then please, feel free to actually call out the people doing this shit so I’m not the only one.

I am fucking sick and tired of trying to interact with this fandom only to be met with bigotry against literally every single one of my identities every single fucking time I try.

Martha Wells is actually fucking writing Murderbot’s touch-aversion and aroace-ness with respect. And people in this fandom are still so ableist and amisic and obsessed with shipping that they go out of their way to be disprespectful and bigoted.

Do you think it’s okay to ship Murderbot with Mensah? Do you think it’s okay to erase Murderbot’s touch-aversion or aroace-ness?

No?

Then congratulations! You are not the people I’m talking about!

But guess what! If you think bigotry is wrong then it is literally your responsibility to call out that bigotry, rather than complaining about the people who are!

Either you think it’s wrong to be amisic and ableist and ship slaves with their owners, or you think it’s more important to complain about people calling out the bigotry.

You really do have to fucking pick one. I am tired of finding bigotry every single time I type in the word “Murderbot” into the fucking search bar.

And yes, I literaly do block these people on sight. But blocking them and then just saying nothing is not fucking good enough. Not talking about bigotry doesn’t make it go away. The only way to make this fandom actually safe for people like me, people who are actually fucking like Murderbot is to fucking make it hostile to the bigots. Silence does not fucking help anyone except the bigots.

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oddgirls said:

we do correct each other though, at least within the fandom space. everytime i have seen someone using the wrong pronouns for murderbot on ao3, discord, or tumblr they are politely corrected.

i’ve seen this fandom grow a lot over the year and a half that i have been apart of it. people who ship murderbot have always been present in some way, but they are not taking over the fandom. almost everyone i know in this fandom finds it to be an absolute breath of fresh air that so much of the fandom is focused on the character’s platonic relationships instead of romantic shipping.

why should i waste my time being hostile towards murderbot shippers? me telling anyone that i think their shipping is bad isn’t going to make them change or stop, we have basically all of tumblr history to show thats not going to work. all i would do is exhaust myself when i could be enjoying writing my fanfiction instead.

fandom is a collaborative space and a community, but you seem to treat it as a combative one. i’m not surprised that you have had such bad experiences with people when you engage with this community in bad faith.

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Rjalker said:

Wow. Blaming me for dealing with bigotry. Really? Really? You think I should just fucking pretend it’s not there? Yeah, no, you ARE the exact part of this fandom I’m talking about.

Holy shit. Literally how can you fucking type out that it’s my fault people are bigoted towards me because I’m not nice enough to the bigots. Holy fucking shit.

You are in fact one of the reasons there are so many bigots in this fandom. You are literally blaming the victim of the bigotry for being a victim of bigotry. Oh my fucking gods.

No, you cannot just fucking sit silently by and let bigotry happen. Oh my fucking gods. If you think not calling out the bigotry means it doensn’t hurt anyone, you have no fucking clue how any of this shit works.

What fucking part of “hey don’t be fucking bigots” translates to “bad faith” in your fucking brain? Literally holy fucking shit. Thanks for fucking announcing that you don’t give a shit about bigotry as long as it doesn’t affect you personally.

Is this what you thing bein an ally is??? Telling people to just shut up and not make a big deal out of bigotry that impacts them but not you??? Are you serious right now???

You think me going into the Murderbot tag and seeing some form of bigotry every single time is a result of me not being fucking complacent enough?? You think there are bigots in this fandom because I call it out???? You’re really trying to fucking blame me for people in this fandom being transmisic, ableist, and amisic???

You say you and your friends call people out when they misgender Murderbot, but I have literally only ever seen one other fucking person make a post about it at all on tumblr. I have never fucking seen another person on tumblr call out people shipping Murderbot or erasing its touch-aversion or shipping it with fucking Mensah.

You want me to believe you actually give a shit about the people in this fandom who Murderbot actually represents then fucking actually do your gods damned fucking part to make this fandom safer for us, instead of fucking trying to victim blame me and say it’s my fault and I shouldn’t be upset about the bigots in this fandom.

All you have to fucking do is make your own gods damned posts condemning amisia, and ableism and shipping slaves with their literal legal owners.

If you think I’m too “combative” then do your fucking part and call out the bigotry yourself. Actually do your fucking part to make this fandom less bigoted towards people who are actually like Murderbot. This is the only fucking book series I have ever fucking seen where people like me are actually represented respectfully without acting like we need to be “fixed” or “cured”.

Either call out the bigotry in this fandom and actually show support for touch-averse people and aroace people who don’t want relationships, or shut the hell up. Do not fucking tell me it’s my own fault for being upset about bigotry. You are literally just being amisic and ableist as all fucking shit.

If you think calling out bigotry means I’m acting in bad faith, then you’re literally just admitting to being a fucking bigot.

You want me to believe that this fandom cares about and respects touch-averse and aroace people who don’t want relationships?

Then fucking prove it by actually supporting us instead of fucking telling us we need to be quieter about calling out bigotry against us. For fuck’s sake.

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oddgirls said:

do you think you’re the only trans ace people who like murderbot? almost this entire fandom is trans, ace, or neurodivergent. this is hilarious but i think you need to log out your attitude towards fandom is honestly unhealthy

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Rjalker said:

Oh cool so you think aromantic people don’t exist and think bigotry is funny. Yeah, that fucking tracks. Go fuck yourself.

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oddgirls said:

lol so I didn’t put aro on the list, alright. you’re really not doing anything but make yourself look bad here

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If you reblog this post to try and defend this asshole, you are not only getting blocked, but you're also getting reported.

Don't you assholes dare tell me that I'm not allowed to be upset about the amisia and ableism and transmisia in this fandm when Martha Wells is writing the only thing I've ever fucking seen where aroace people and touch-averse people are actually treated with respect.

If you are not aroace, if you are not romance and sex repulsed, if you're not touch-averse, if you don't use it/its pronouns, you have no fucking place defending the bigotry in this fandom.

No, being aspec does not give you the fucking right to be amisia. It does not give you the fucking right to try and shut down and victim blame other people who call out amisia. You're literally just being an amisic.

You do not get to say you're an ally to aroace relationship-repulsed and touch-averse people when you prioritize complaining about us calling out bigotry against us rather than calling out the bigotry itself.

You don't get to say you call out the bigotry in this fandom and then turn around and start mocking me for calling it out.

You want me to stop calling out the bigotry in this fandom?

Congrats: here's an easy way to make that happen: Call it out yourselves. Do your fucking part. Actually prove that you're an ally who actually cares about supporting aroace, touch-averse, romance repulsed people over "not rocking the boat" by letting bigotry slide by without complaint.

If you are more offended by me calling out bigotry than you are the people being bigots, you're just a peice of shit. There's no two ways about this. Either you think bigotry is bad, or you think calling it out is bad. You can't have it both ways. You do not get to claim you're an ally to the people Murderbot actually represents and then mock us when we are upset by people being bigots toward us by erasing everything that makes Murderbot representation of our experiences.

You want me to stop making posts criticizing the bigotry in this fandom? Then start making them yourselves. Do your fucking part.

Bigotry doesn't go away just because you ignore it.

I'll stop complaining when there's nothing left to complain about.

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rjalker · 2 years

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Murderbot fandom stop erasing Murderbot's aromanticism July 2022 challenge. It is not just asexual. It is aromantic. It is aroace.

It is fucking touch repulsed. Stop fucking shipping it with people even if it's not a sexual relationship. Stop having characters touch it and pretend that it's not touch-repulsed.

You have literally infinite numbers of fucking non aroace and non touch-repulsed characters you could be shipping instead.

Leave Murderbot the fuck alone. Let aroace touch-repulsed people have this tiny fucking scrap of representation in peace. For fuck's sake.

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[ID: The "I can excuse racism but I draw the line at animal abuse" "you can excuse racism?!" meme, edited to say:

"I can excuse transmisia, ableism, amisia, and people shipping slaves with their owners, but I draw the line at anyone criticizing these things.

"You can excuse transmisia, ableism, amisia, and shipping slaves with their owners?!"

End ID.]

[ID: The Garfield "you are not immune to propaganda" meme, edited to say, "You are not immune to being the jackass this post is about". End ID.]

[ID: The meme of a frowning Pikachu holding up a sign, now edited so that Pikachu looks angry instead of sad. The sign reads, "If you want this fandom to actually be welcoming and safe for the people Murderbot actually represents, you have to call out bigotry when you see it and support the people who are calling out the bigotry that literally impacts them personally." End ID.]

[ID: The same image, now reading, "If you think amisia, transmisia, and ableism is just "fandom drama", and you get to escape it just by closing tumblr, you are priveleged, and it is literally your duty to call out this shit in fandom spaces so people who are actually impacted by this shit on a daily basis 'in real life' can actually have fun in this fandom that's literally meant for us.". End ID.]

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[ID: A simple drawing of Murderbot wearing grey armour, holding up a sign, with the aroace and touch-averse flags being it.

The aroace flag has stripes of orange, yellow, white, sky blue, and navy blue.

The touch-averse flag has stripes of orange, red, black, red, and orange.

The sign reads, "The Murderbot Diaries is the only representation many peopl have ever seen of touch-averse and aroace characters actually being treated with respect instead of being treated like problems that need to be fixed. Erasing the fact that Murderbot is aroace and repulsed by all forms of relationships and hates being touched is amisic and ableist as absolute fuck."

End ID.]

You want me to stop calling out the bigotry in this fandom? Then stop forcing me to be the only one calling this shit out. If you aren't aroace, if you aren't repulsed by all forms of fucking relationships, if you aren't touch-averse, if you don't use it/its pronouns, then actually prove you're an ally to the people Murderbot actually represents and start making your own posts calling this shit out.

If the only people in your fandom calling out bigotry are the people who are personally impacted by that bigotry, then your fandom is not a safe or welcoming space.

Murderbot is aroace. It uses it/its pronouns. It is romance and sex repulsed and it is touch-averse.

If you actually want this fandom to be welcoming to people that Murderbot actually represents, then prove it. Actually make this fandom hostile to amisics and ableists. Actually make posts condemning aand ableism and supporting aroace relationship-repulsed and touch-averse people.

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okay fuck you tumblr.

original post made July 21st 2022. Tumblr won't fucking let me edit it so here it is again!!!

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no, people, being "trans and ace" does not give you the right to defend or downplay amisia against specifically aroace people who are sex and romance repulsed. It does not give you the right to defend ableism against people who are touch-averse. It does not give you the right to defend transmisia against specifically nonbinary people who use it/its pronouns.

I do not give a single flying shit if you're trans or aspec.

You do not have the right to downplay amisia that is specifically targeted at aroace people who are sex and romance repulsed.

You do not have the right to downplay transmisia that is specifically targeted at nonbinary people who use it/its pronouns.

You do not have the right to downplay ableism against people who are touch-averse.

No, being fucking neurodivergent or trans or aspec does not give you the right to shit on and defend bigotry against people being targeted by specific forms of amisia, transmisia, and ableism that do not fucking impact you.

Being aspec does not give you the right to downplay and defend bigotry against specifically aroace people.

Being trans does not give you the right to downplay and defend transmisia against specifically nonbinary people who specifically use it/its pronouns.

Murderbot represents real fucking people who actually exist. If you allow people to erase the things that make Murderbot who it is, you are allowing real fucking bigotry to take place. Amisia in fandom is real amisia. Ableism in fandom is real ableism. Transmisia in fandom is real transmisia.

If you are more offended by me calling out the transmisia, ableism, and amisia in this fandom than you are about people in this fandom being transmisic, ableist, and amisic, then you just need to admit you don't actually like or care about Murderbot. Because you can't actually bring yourself to treat the people it represents with respect.

Either actually fucking support people who are like Murderbot by calling out bigotry when you see it, or at the very least boosting our fucking voices, or just admit you think we don't deserve respect.

Do you think I enjoy seeing bigotry targeted at people like me literally every single time I type the word "Murderbot" into the search bar? Do you think you're supporting people like me by forcing me to be the only one to talk about this shit?

If you support aroace people, if you support people who don't want romantic or sexual relationships of any kind, if you support people who are touch-averse and nonbinary and use it/its pronouns, then prove it.

You need to prove it. Either by supporting people who do call out the bigotry in this fandom, by reblogging our (yeah, that's really fucking optimistic) posts, or by making your own.

The only way to make this fandom actually safe and welcoming for people who are actually represented by Murderbot is if the people who are not represented by Murderbot actually do their fucking part.

You want to be an ally? Then prove it. You cannot make this space safe for aroace or touch-averse people if you're not willing to make it hostile to amisics and ableists. If you're welcoming to both bigots and their victims, then you're going to end up with only bigots.

If you think people being ableist and amisic by shipping Murderbot is just a small section of the fandom that most people condemn, then why the hell have I never seen any posts other than mine condemning it?

If this fandom is supposedly so welcoming to aroace and touch-averse people, and people who use it/its pronouns, then why do I never see anyone but me calling people out when they're willingly transmisic and amisic and ableist?

If you think I should just shut up and not say anything and ignore it when people perpetuate bigotry that affects me personally, you are in fact one of the reasons these people think it's okay to do this shit in this fandom.

You either make this place hostile to amisics and ableists, or just admit it's not actually welcoming to aroace and touch-averse people.

You can't have it both ways.

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"It's okay for me to ship this slave with its owner because escaped slaves used to buy their families, and gay people used to adopt eachother before they could get married"

yeah that does not fucking work when one of these people is a slave and the other is literally fucking not. Mensah is human. She is from Preservation. She is not considered property. Murderbot on the other hand is literally a slave. It is property. It first belongs to the company, and then Mensah buys it. Without its permission or knowledge. The entire FUCKING point of the ENTIRE FIRST BOOK is that nothing that's happening is something Murderbot gets to choose for itself.

It doesn't get to fucking to choose to tell anyone that it hacked its governor module.

Its fucking name gets revealed without its consent.

And then when it's fucking unconscious and dying it wakes up to find out that it's been bought, has now changed fucking hands, and now it's got a new owner. And it's supposed to be happy about this.

This is literally THE ENTIRE FUCKING POINT of the first book.

Murderbot and Mensah are not fucking equals. Murderbot is Mensah's fucking property, no matter where they go. In the Corporation Rim, or Preservation, it's the same damn thing: Murderbot is Mensah's property.

Murderbot would not be fucking allowed to exist in Preservation space at all if not for Mensah being its guardian and fighting tooth and fucking nail with Pin-Lee to get it the few rights it does have now.

The only reason Murderbot is allowed to do anything is because Mensah's its fucking owner, or as they call it in Preservation to make it sound nicer, which the books literally repeat over and over again so you can't fucking forget, she's its "guardian".

Which is literally just a nicer word for "owner". Literally. How many gods damned times do the books have to spell this out.

Murderbot is Mensah's fucking property. Mensah is Murderbot's fucking owner.

They are not fucking equals.

Even if Murderbot WERE NOT EXPLICITLY AROACE, TOUCH-REPULSED, ROMANCE-REPULSED, AND SEX-REPULSED, it still wouldn't be fucking okay to ship them, because Murderbot is not Mensah's fucking equal in the eyes of the law no matter where they go.

Corporation Rim? Congrats! No one's gonna pretend Murderbot's not her property. Preservation? Yeah, it's still literally her property, but we're gonna call her its "guardian' to make it sound nicer.

The only way those fucking arguments could apply to this relationship is if they were both fucking constructs, but one of them was better at passing as human than the other. Because it would literally be two fucking equals protecting eachother.

That is literally not what is fucking happening when you fucking ableist, amisic jackasses ship Murderbot with Mensah.

They are not equals. That is literally the whole fucking conflict of their relationship. They are not equals. They are fucking aware of this. Murderbot is excruciatingly aware of this. That is literally the whole point of the first book. Martha Wells does not fucking mince words or beat around the bush. This fucking shit is explicit. She practically beats you over the fucking head with the fact that Mensah is Murderbot's owner.

If you think it's okay to ship Murderbot with anyone, you're ableist and amisic. If you think it's okay to ship it with Mensah, its literal owner, you are a horrible fucking person who is PURPOSEFULLY ignoring the entire fucking purpose of this series and everything it stands for.

Fuck. You.

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Amena was clearly trying to work out all the possible repercussions.

“And if corporates did show up, would you be okay? Because you’re a construct?”

“I’m fine,” I told her. It is amazing what the people on Preservation don’t know about how the Corporation Rim operates. “SecUnits are legal here. Your mother is my registered owner and you’re her designated representative.” And it was definitely Amena and not Thiago.

Amena looked appalled. “My mother doesn’t own you.”

“Yes, she does.” Dr. Bharadwaj had told me how Preservation-based humans don’t understand these concepts and I had believed her, mostly, but seeing it in action was always different. Amena looked at Ratthi for help. He nodded grimly. “Arada, Overse, and I all have certified copies of the legal document stored in our interfaces, just in case. If we do fall into the hands of corporates, Amena, you must assert legal ownership of SecUnit.”

Amena waved her hands. “But that’s—Ugh!” “I don’t like it, either,” I told her.

Since amisic, ableist jackasses in the fandom want to pretend that Murderbot isn't Mensah's property despite the fact that Martha Wells beats you over the head with this fact at every turn with no room for negotiation -.-

If you're okay with the amisia, ableism, and abuse apologism inherent in shipping Murderbot with Mensah, it's literal legal owne, block me right now. I hate you personally.

How the hell can you claim to love this series and this character and then disrespect every facet of Murderbot's personality. How can you claim to love this series and then go against everything it stands for.

Martha Wells is not fucking subtle about Murderbot being aroace. Martha Wells is not subtle about Murderbot loathing the idea of slaves being shipped with their owners.

If you have no problem with people erasing the fact that Murderbot is aroace and sex and romance and touch repulsed, you are not only amisic, you are ableist as fuck. You have literally no excuse. This series actually fucking treats touch-repulsion with respect, and if you still fucking read these books and decide that Murderbot does in fact "need to admit it likes touching people and being touched in order to be happy" you are an ableist peice of shit and an amisic.

And if you think shipping Murderbot with its fucking owner is okay, you are just a terrible person and Murderbot would literally hate you itself. How the absolute fucking hell can you claim to love this character and then put it through shit it would literally loathe? How many times does it have to fucking say it hates humans writing romances between themselves and the bots they fucking own before you jackasses stop being fucking creeps?

If you're willing to tolerate this shit, block me right now. Call this fucking bigotry out when you see it. I should not be the only one fucking talking about this shit when this book series actually handles these topics properly.

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