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olderthannetfic · 2 years

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Ok, I want to vent about my personal experience with a subset of m/m shippers. I have a lot to say and I'm too afraid to express it to anyone. I have a friend who vehemently despises a particular m/m ship in my fandom (it's not a canon ship by any stretch of the imagination, just a popular fanon one) and she will openly say she hates it if asked and she's been attacked a lot for hating this ship and been called a homophobe and been told to kill herself etc. I feel the same but keep my mouth shut because I'm afraid of the same backlash. (Just to clarify, my friend doesn't seek out this content to hate on. In fact, she'd rather not see it at all and she actively blocks and mutes creators for this ship, she only talks about hating it if anyone asks her about it.)

So here's what I want to get off my chest. In my personal online experience, I have found that m/m shippers are the most pushy, rude and overbearing types of fans. This is not all m/m shippers, or even a majority. Most of them are great and very nice people but when there's bad behaviour, I usually have gotten it from toxic incel types and m/m shippers. I ship m/f of a popular 'bad ass' character that these kinds of incels like to think they identify with (wrong, the character is super respectful to women and is basically everything an incel isn't) but it triggers them a lot to see this guy they look up to being happy with a girl. So I think the incel reaction is self-explanatory.

But this subset of m/m shippers, and I've noticed them in all fandoms, I just don't understand. Their ships are all headcanon, just like my m/f ship. I live by ship and let ship. I mean, people could ship my beloved character with his refrigerator for all I care, that's cool. What's not cool is insisting, forcefully, rudely insisting that anyone that ships him outside the popular m/m ship is wrong.

My ship is headcanon and I have never remotely said anything like "This is the one true otp" and "everyone KNOWS X is actually straight". But I see this sort of thing all the time from the m/m shippers.

I recently saw an innocuous post on Instagram where the OP was giving their headcanons for different fandoms saying "I think these characters are straight, these characters are gay, these characters are non-binary, these characters are bisexual, these characters are aroace etc" and in their "Straight characters" they included Bakugo from MHA (not my fandom but it's a good example). You should've seen the comments tearing into the OP. "Um hello, everyone KNOWS Bakugo is gay", "Yeah no...Bakugo is gay lmao", "Wtf? Bakugo is obviously gay, this is idiotic" etc. And I thought...since when does *everyone know* Bakugo is gay? Pretty sure it's never been confirmed either way in MHA so why this hostile reaction to someone sharing their headcanons?

I've seen similar things in other fandoms including my own.

I understand there's a lack of positive representation of the lgbtq community in anime and manga and I think it's great that people explore characters' sexualities and create a variety of ships for them and create relationships that they can identify with. I've seen my comfort character shipped as gay, bi, straight, ace, pan and I think it's wonderful that people can take this awesome guy and write/draw him in a way that represents them, or comforts them but it's not so wonderful when you're beaten over the head for not making him gay with the other popular male character.

There's this sense of superiority among SOME m/m shippers that I haven't personally seen in m/f shippers in my fandom and it really gets under my skin. I'm sick of being told or implied I'm wrong or inferior because I don't ship m/m.

Anyway, sorry for the long rant but I've never let this out anywhere. I try to curate my online experience as much as possible so I don't run into ships or content that I don't like but sometimes these kinds of people still find me and it bothers me that I feel I can't speak out against them because it feels that any negative remark on m/m shippers, even when it's valid, will be very quickly labeled as homophobic.

I mean... where are you hanging out? I promise you that "How dare you not love my canon het ship?" types and many other shipwarring assholes are just as bad. You just haven't been meeting them. Which faction is the most toxic just depends on the fandom and the platform.

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rainbowsky · 3 years

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Did DLS Out DD During a DDU Recording and Make Him Cry?

This has been making the rounds on Twitter and YouTube and even Tumblr, for a while now. Fancam footage of DLS making a boyfriend joke and then leaning in to a supposedly upset DD and trying to smooth things over.

This whole thing is based on fancam footage taken during the recording of the DDU 20190825 episode. In this episode dating was being discussed using four beautiful young women, DD and QF along with two handsome young guests as a backdrop.

The subtitles of the fan cam present a scenario where DLS supposedly refers to DD as ‘not needing a girlfriend because he already has a boyfriend’ and then leaning into a supposedly emotional DD and apologizing, trying to calm him down; saying viewers won’t understand what was said.

Let’s take a look at the video:

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The full fan cam footage that this out of context clip was taken from can be found here.

If you watch the episode and the complete fan cam footage, you’ll see that this happened during the segment where they were being asked to comment on various dating scenarios. An announcer would present each scenario in a multiple choice format, asking the women to choose between four options based on the type of guy they’d most like to date. For example:

How would you like the boy you like to invite you for a meal on the weekend?

A] Save your weekend for me. Do not say no.

B] You had breakfast at 7:50 this morning and lunch at 12:30. It’s already 7pm now. You have to eat meals on time. Why don’t I take you out for dinner?

C] I tried to explain my thoughts when I look at you, but I failed. So do you have time for dinner with me this weekend? Let’s talk about it.

D] Get out. Dinner.

My opinion

We should always, always be suspicious of anything that is presented without context. 99.9% of the time, when someone removes context they are doing so to mislead audiences. This clip is a perfect example of that. The video creator appears to have removed important context in order to make the clip better fit the narrative they’re trying to sell.

In this segment of the episode, the hosts and guests were seen commenting on the options as they were being read out. The comments DLS is making appear to be in response to something the announcer has said. I don’t think the comments have anything whatsoever do to with DD.

I also don’t think DD looks even remotely upset. Certainly not near tears. Some fans seem over-eager to claim DD is crying. We’ve all seen DD cry, but it’s exceptionally rare and only happens in very personal situations. This doesn’t qualify. It wouldn’t qualify even if everything the video creator claimed was true. DD would be more likely to get angry than cry in such a situation. He isn’t doing either of these things.

Whoever made this video simply doesn’t ‘get’ DD’s personality at all. The people who buy this are similarly unfamiliar with him.

I invite everyone to use your own eyes and your own judgment. Ignore what’s being claimed, ignore the framing you’ve been given of the scenario by me or the video creator, and instead just watch the clip. Does that look like a man on the verge of tears to you?

Second and third opinions

I asked the indispensable @potteresque-ire and @knivescharade what they thought of the clip. I didn’t tell them anything about my opinion, but simply sent the clip and asked their thoughts - are the subtitles correct, what do you think of the lip reading, etc.

@knivescharade

wow, for this person to put this analysis in i would say that lip reading is a very difficult skill. and to try and lip read someone like DLS, who speaks like a bullet train and doesn't really enunciate SUPER well (unlike Han-ge, for example) ... i would say the interpretation is only very vaguely possible at best.

i know both the cand int fandom have a major something for how WYB keeps swallowing around XZ, but honestly. WYB tends to get throat issues. i think swallowing has become one of his habits at this point. so... in conclusion... there are already lots of major, amazing, and irrefutable candies in the fandom already, let's not bother with such iffy ones :D

he is indeed saying that "this man has a boyfriend", but i cant quite remember which part of the show that was in. i watched that episode, it was something to do with love and having 4 guys paired with 4 girls or something like that, and listening to 'types of guys responses to etc etc' so DLS wasnt saying that WYB has a boyfriend - he was saying that 'this man', the one whose voice was playing in the audio, has a boyfriend.

That tracks with my interpretation of what was happening.

@potteresque-ire

Unless people have learned the dialect, Mandarin speakers cannot understand Cantonese, and vice versa. This is why I don't support or wash auditory candies, especially if it involves someone from Northern China (such as DLS, who is a Beijing native). Their local accents make their Mandarin even more difficult to understand.

This dialect restriction is actually not specific to a me, or other Hong Kongers. Someone whose family is entirely from Northern China would be equally prone to making mistakes if they're asked to lip read southern Chinese.

Lip reading also removes tonal consideration, which makes everything that much more uncertain. Have you heard of the Mr Shi Eats the Lion story? This is why, even if I hear some similarities, I'd hesitate to say X has to be saying ABC. Context is important.

Cantonese speakers are especially picky about tone. Mandarin have 4. We have 6 or 9, depending on who you ask. So... I may be more picky than I should be that way too. And I don't want to spoil anyone's fun 😊

The translation was correct in the sense that it was faithful to the Chinese words in the clip I saw, which replicated what DLS said accurately. But the video itself was from a fancam. Where that fancam happened (and got cut off) was at Q3 at the Q & A segment, starting ~9:34 of the official YouTube clip.

DLS said what he said half way through the voiceover of Option A (very precisely, right after the words "I'm the only one"). Technically speaking, therefore, he wasn't talking about DD.

However, it was also a little strange why DLS said what he said. If you watch that segment, all options have a certain personality attached to them. C was very talkative / pretentious. D was connected to DD because it was blunt and direct. A was the so called "overbearing CEO" personality... which is common in het romance dramas but isn't one that has been connected to the gay stereotype. And so, DLS's timing of saying that ... is curious.

Dd did look a little ... I wouldn't say upset, but tense after DLS said that. Maybe it's because that comment kinda came out of nowhere (because of its curious timing), and so it would be read as hinting at something. But that comment is harmless, wording wise.

Alternate theory

I’ve seen some talk from fans about a different theory for why DLS said what he said. Fans say the announcer for option A was Bian Jiang, the actor who did the voice of LWJ in The Untamed. They say that DLS was making a joke about LWJ not needing a boyfriend because he already has one. That actually makes a lot of sense to me as well, and if that’s really Bian Jiang, then I’d say that’s the most likely explanation for this entire thing.

Conclusion

It’s my firm opinion that DLS was not talking about DD having a boyfriend, nor was DD ‘near tears’ in this clip. Whatever DLS said to DD after that, it almost certainly wouldn’t have been ‘words of comfort to placate an upset DD’.

The Bian Jiang theory fits best, but we don’t need to know why DLS said what he said to be able to conclude he wasn’t talking about DD.

Cute DD candy from this episode

If anyone wants a better candy from this episode, look no further than when he emerges from “door #2″, chosen by one of the women as someone she’d like to date based on the food he’d picked out, and immediately launches into “I want to take a man back to my place and hide him.” A LWJ reference (which DLS and Wang Han clarify with him because they appear baffled by what he just said), but still a tactful, perfect rejection of this woman he’s being paired with. 😅

#bjyx #yizhan #ddu #ttxs #bxg fact checking #ggdd entertainment circle #ggdd signs #Youtube

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vibeless15 · 3 years

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Shadi, what do you think of the attention and focus that fandom gives to SANSES? Some fandom members only care about him and treat him like a god... and end up abandoning the other cool characters. (I HAVE NO INTENT TO OFFEND THE FANDOM.IF YOU THINK THIS MAY CAUSE PROBLEMS, IT'S OK NOT TO RESPOND)

I wont lie to you or myself Sanses are extremely overrated and over used, Sans fan art especially Sans Au fan art just feels like something everyone wants or "needs" and it is sad that most people don't have a interest in other characters besides him. To be completely honest it took me a long while to become a writer who did more then explore that and that loved making characters instead of Alternate versions of Characters

Let's use one of my most favorite characters and everyone's favorite horrible Mother figure for example...

The Astral Mother

She is one of the other characters in Alphatale that can be argued to be one of the better characters of the series. She is is also one of many that have a full backstory and is explored thoroughly throughout the tale that is told. There tons of things about her that people love and love to hate which you can't say that about many Sans Aus even some of the most well known ones hardly have any personality to define them as being anything other then a Sans look alike.

Cunning, Malicious, ambiguous, sassy and Overbearing these are a few traits of the Astral Mother that I can think of off the top of my head and that's just kinda scratching the surface of what her character is. Now if you asked me what makes Nightmare special compared to other Sansses all I could tell you is that he looks intimidating and is evil, there isn't much depth to the character and whatever depth there is was made up by the fans and not by the creator who could probably care less. I dont mean to come off ignorant, but the bottom line is that no one really wants to make Aus anymore and just want to make Sansses for people to draw, I can admit to being this way before, but recent years have shown me that there are people who want more then that and if you look at the Alphatale wiki now you'd see a whole new group of new characters that far expand over characters you do know.

But there is a Au I can say you guys should check out more of...

The Au created by @tatatale

Art by @zu-is-here

Its pretty interesting, there is alot here and honestly I dont think this Au gets enough love and again thats from people too busy Jerking off Sansses for too long to realize this Fandom is growing on a more greater bases. Which is alot of why I left it too, but I digress.

If i have one thing to say to all of the Au creators out there...FLESH OUT EVERY CHARACTER!

People aren't interested in Sanses with different clothes anymore i think I got to witness the end of this era of the Fandom. People want a story and a real meaningful one showing people what they loved about Undertale in the first place, I just hope that people take this as constructive criticism instead of me bashing the Fandom.

#undertale au #au #undertale #alphatale

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