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i’m stealing the idea of a topical mcu/616 differences list from @suprnovas because while i know i’ve done them before, they’re scattered and scattered brain and picking through it by topic is a good idea. and this is more, obviously, for people who may not realize that 616 tony stark is an entirely different character from mcu tony, in terms of personality and the way his life has played out, and that’s important to me to point that out.

arc reactor / rt node - mcu tony had an arc reactor, a miniaturized nuclear battery, in his chest after afghanistan to keep the shrapnel out of his heart. no such creature exists in 616 - instead, tony wore the chestplate of the original iron man armors (which were much different than the first iterations of the mcu armors) under his clothes and it required charging every so often to function as a fancy pacemaker. there was a big to-do about tony getting the shrapnel out, using an experimental tissue transplant surgery ages and ages before anything glowy ever sat in his chest. later he had the rt node, which while visually similar to the arc reactor served an entirely different purpose. the rt node was also a nuclear battery/electromagnet combo, and served to power the iron man at the time (the bleeding edge), but it also served as tony’s brain in a lot of ways. tony had both wiped his own mind and been beaten so badly by norman osborn he had severe brain damage. the rt was the fine line between tony in a persistent vegetative state and tony upright and walking and talking. while not a part of his physiology any longer, he had it for several years, considering until his complete body reboot it was the only thing working as the automatic functions of brain and removing it would literally kill him.

alcoholism - tony’s alcoholism is background in the mcu, and quietly just whisked away (and while a lot of that has to do with disney...). however, in 616, tony’s alcoholism isn’t a once-mentioned deal and everyone goes on their merry way. tony didn’t just “handle” it, he took that plunge from grace and hit rock bottom face first. he spent some time broke. homeless. missing. it’s a prominent feature of his character, once he gets himself in aa and sober, and it’s tested multiple times. his sobriety is used as a bargaining chip. people try and have exploited it for their own gain (notably obadiah stane and justine hammer, the original justin hammer’s daughter). aa plays a big part in tony’s story, he does meetings, the steps, sponsors other people (notably carol danvers). it’s not a quiet, hidden thing, it’s very public and very honest, and something tony is very frank about being a daily struggle.

obadiah stane - mcu obadiah was a father-figure to tony. in 616, this isn’t even remotely close to the case, and instead he was absolutely villainous from the start, in the sense that he tried (and succeeded) to legally both maneuver tony’s company right out from under him and lay claim to everything tony had ever called his own. he manipulated tony’s need for love and problems with alcohol to secure that. he kidnapped literally everyone he could get his hands on that meant something to tony, from pepper to the baby of a friend he helped deliver. and after he took himself off the playing field he still had a minefield laid for tony, in the form of tony’s entire fortune (sure tony inherited the company from howard, but every penny stane took tony earned himself) behind a wall of failsafes to keep tony out if certain conditions weren’t met. tony ultimately succeeded, but it wasn’t a one and done deal, it was a massive climb up a mountain from the very bottom. later, obadiah’s son, zeke stane, also came after tony.

pepper potts - you know how the mcu story goes, tony gets the girl, they get married, have a kid. yeah, 616 didn’t happen that way. 616 didn’t happen that way so much that tony and pepper have literally never been in a relationship. they pined after each other for years, sure, and pepper is literally one of the people tony cares about most in the world and always will, but they’re not in love. pepper ended up marrying happy and while they had their issues ultimately they were still together at the time of happy’s death. tony and pepper have slept together ultimately a grand total of one time, and that’s been that. tony acknowledges that his role in pepper’s life is more overly protective best friend, not partner material. pepper is super, super important to tony, but she’s not and probably never will be his endgame. they aren’t like that.

extremis - in mcu, extremis is a mess. a literal, whole-ass mess. with a fake mandarin in the deal. so here’s how it works in 616: tony was the one (1) extremis enhancile that didn’t completely lose his marbles, and even then it can’t be said it didn’t cause some issues, as anyone who’s ever read the civil war storyline and his duration as director of shield will know. tony’s version of extremis rewired his body from the inside out, literally. he had a level of technopathy, a healing factor, he could literally tap into anything electronic he wanted to, connect to satellites, whatever. it also made him cold, distant, and more than a little less human, with less control over his already prodigious temper. it wasn’t a fun time. it essentially turned his brain into a computer’s harddrive, and he used it exactly that way, to the point he was backing himself up in the chance it was ever needed (spoiler: he did). pepper didn’t get extremis. in 616 you literally have to have a special genetic marker, or it will kill you. gruesomely. and, put another, easy to parse way: extremis basically made tony a technopathic steve rogers, a super soldier.

secret identity - the mcu has tony blowing off the idea of iron man as a bodyguard as ridiculous. 616 tony posed as his own bodyguard for years. he kept that secret so close to his vest only a handful of people knew for years and most of the avengers weren’t on that list. actually, the one who did know was thor, not anyone else you might think. or...that knew because tony told them so. lots of people caught a glimpse of it, or suspected. he’s revealed and then covered up his identity numerous times, finally coming out officially and staying out as iron man during the fight over superhero registration. while the whole world knows now that tony stark and iron man are one in the same, for the majority of tony’s time as the armored avenger, that simply wasn’t the case.

chitauri - chitauri were an mcu/ultimates thing strictly up until secret empire (which we don’t talk about in this house), when they were introduced into 616. that battle of new york? in the mcu? yeah that’s kinda...normal, for 616. it happens often enough that the world ending or aliens trying to invade or...look, 616 is entirely more perilous of a universe. the battle of new york is actually a conglomeration of several elements from several different 616 and ultimates battles, including the nukes. tony doesn’t have a fear in space because of things like that, he’s actually spent lots and lots of time in space, and notably with the guardians of the galaxy (of which he was one for a hot minute).

the avengers - mcu follows the ultimates storyline for the avengers, in that they’re formed by shield. in 616, that’s not so much the case. the avengers formed on their own, with an entirely different line up for the team, coming together as a group to fight loki and deciding that, overall, there’s something to be said about working together. originally it was janet van dye and hank pym (who are tony’s generation - hope van dyne does not exist in 616, instead we have nadia van dyne, who is hank’s daughter that jan has claimed as her own), thor, bruce banner, and tony. steve is not an actual founding member, he was grandfathered in and has all the perks because it’s captain america and you just don’t leave captain america in the cold. shield had diddly fuck all to do with them, and has worked with them in the past, sure, but it’s always been a very uneasy alliance. to the point that shield has tried to take over tony’s company at points. the avengers are a free-wheeling operation, funded largely through donations, the maria stark foundation, and tony’s own personal fortune. they’re peace-keepers, classified as a non-profit, and operate by their own by-laws and regulations, which if you’re really interested, you can find here. the only thing i’ve personally added to that is section five, and even that has some basis in canon itself.

ultron - ultron was created by hank pym (giant man, ant-man, wasp, yellowjacket, goliath), not tony. for very different reasons. and he’s been a thorn in the side of the world since his inception, having caused the destruction of the world more than once that’s had to be fixed. the living creature that is time in the 616 universe is so punched full of holes from having to do shit like this it looks like swiss cheese, let’s be honest here. vision did ultimately come from ultron, yes, but his personality is based off of that of simon williams, a superhero in 616 known as wonder man.

avengers mansion / tower / compound - the avengers used to operate out of tony’s childhood home, which he opened up to that cause, 890 fifth avenue. when that was destroyed, they moved to stark tower. that’s been destroyed about a hundred times at this point. currently the main team is operating out of the body of a dead celestial in the north pole. 616 tony stark would never lower himself to buying property in upstate new york unless it’s a cabin in the adirondacks, he’d buy (and has bought) property in new jersey first, and the avengers compound, such as it is, does not exist.

civil war - there is no such thing as the sokovia accords in 616. instead, 616 had what’s called the superhuman registration act (shra for short) which required all superhumans to register their identities with the us government. it was strictly us-based, for the record, and happened after nitro, a villain in 616 who can basically blow himself up like a bomb at will, did so in the town of stamford after being caught out by a group of superheroes known as the new warrirors for a reality tv show. it was the final nail in the coffin for a lot of people about superheroes (which are a part of daily life in 616) and people were scared and wanted something done. tony was pro-registration. steve was anti-registration, and was especially hostile after maria hill opened fire on him. they scrapped, and scrapped hard, in multiple public battles, until steve turned himself in when he realized not only was he literally about to murder a basically defenseless tony in the middle of a street (and what do you do when your best friend’s under you and tells you to “finish it” through his broken faceplate?) and that they, both sides, were just fighting to fight, instead of fighting for something. on the way to his arraignment, steve is assassinated. tony literally falls apart and loses his shit utterly and completely. there’s a lot of awful things that happen that can’t be contained to a blurb. and it all leads to the point where tony erases his brain and norman osborn lays siege to asgard, which is near the town of broxton, oklahoma. it’s a mess, both more contained, and bigger, because the stakes are bigger and the number of players are bigger, and there’s a skrull invasion taking place behind the whole damn thing. there are also approximately a million conspiracy theories, some people wondered if tony had something to do with steve’s death (he didn’t, it was red skull), and it’s since shaped the entirety of what it’s like to be a superhero in the world of 616 since, even if shra has been repealed.

captain america - is this really a tony blog without a special mention for steve rogers? the mcu, once again, defers to the ultimates storyline (which is not 616) for steve, with shield handling the thawing and reintroducing steve into the world. in 616, the avengers find him looking for the hulk and realize he’s still alive, and end up offering him a place with them, which obviously he ends up agreeing to. there’s a lot of differences even with steve himself which i’m not going to get entirely into but he and bucky didn’t grow up together, bucky had fuck all to do with civil war for the most part, and tony and steve are literally attached at the hip. tony literally has a captain america collection. the cap collection is a thing, everyone knows about it, it’s not a secret, because captain america was tony’s hero before tony ever became a superhero. there’s none of this tension right off the bat, steve ends up friends with tony and iron man before he knows they’re the same person. they fight so hard because they love each other so hard. they’re close, fullstop. tony and steve have been leading teams together since almost the very beginning, and that’s that. also steve and tony are literally almost the same age when steve is thawed from the ice; tony becomes iron man much earlier in 616.

bucky barnes - and while we’re at it: bucky is a super soldier in the mcu, and there’s that whole mess with civil war and tony trying to kill him. in 616 it’s the opposite: bucky tries to kill tony. tony talks him down and shows him the letter that was given to him from steve after steve’s death and offers bucky the shield. bucky agrees. bucky has intimate knowledge of the iron man’s inner workings and how to shut it (and effectively tony) off. completely. tony doesn’t remember any of this. bucky is not a super soldier in 616, he’s literally just a dude with a metal arm and a plucky attitude who has a very unique skillset and was frozen for long periods of time. he and tony have also been on a team together with bucky as captain america, and they’re friends outside of that. tony does the arm maintenance that bucky can’t do, knows where bucky lives, knows bucky’s cat. there’s none of this resentment there, they’re comfortable with each other.

physicality - this is a big one. it’s what makes him and mcu tony at a glance glaringly different, because he’s so much taller and differently framed. he’s huge and imposing in the suit, standing level with thor and at least half a head taller than steve. outside of it he’s still unfairly tall, but built lanky. he doesn’t build muscle mass the way other superheroes do, and tends to shed weight with a vengeance when he’s overly stressed. and while disney princess eyes are a thing they both share, tony’s got that bonus striking combination of blue eyes and dark hair. he’s also about a decade younger than mcu tony, and looks a bit younger than that bc of everything he’s done to his body to enhance it (which is mostly all moot at this point, for the record).

personality - this is really the main thing with this. the tony you see in the mcu is not 616 tony. at all. 616 tony is actually a fairly serious character; he’s only occasionally flighty about his company, and when he is there’s usually some iron man/avengers motivation behind it. he works. he works hard. and he’s known as a good man to work for, has good company morale, and takes a very micromanaging interest in everything his company does. he also occasionally hides out in his workshop for weeks on end and has to be dragged out to see sunlight again. he makes his jokes, he has some levity, but he’s more prone to rambling complete with flailing arms and technobabble with some philosophical footnotes than he is making nothing but solid pop culture references. he has interests outside of the iron man, outside of engineering, and whole those are his passion, he’s a student of history and philosophy and art, and when he has time he plops down in front of dog cops just like the rest of the 616 universe. he has unique vocal tics that are separate and distinct from mcu tony, that, while they both self edit, 616 tony is more obvious with it, stutters over words, gets stuck. and then has a hard time unsticking himself. he’s more sensitive; he’s less likely to give you an insulting nickname and reach instead for terms of endearment, and literally no one is safe. he calls steve rogers beloved, for crying out loud, and steve doesn’t bat an eyelash at it. he’s soft, and easily bruised, but he’s also steel spined and hot tempered. when he’s angry, you’ll know it. he’s also very kind, and very generous, and hates himself utterly and completely. anyone who spends any amount of time around him realizes very quickly that the plastic i’m king of the world act is a facade. tony will work himself down to the bone to make up for sins, real and imagined. he overreaches in making decisions for other people. and all around is probably a less appealing character in some ways - his flaws are very obvious and very human - but is in a lot of ways entirely more layered because there’s so much at work between his different masks and what’s underneath them all. he’s the first to offer himself up as a sacrifice if it’s needed, and reaches for the worst case scenario first. he’ll push people away because he thinks that will somehow save them, from himself and those he’s crossed. he’s complicated, and his complications are not always easy or appealing or fixable. there’s a truly ugly side to it that doesn’t get glossed over, and he’s willing to go so much darker if he considers it the right thing to do.

overall, there’s only some surface stuff between 616 and the mcu. there’s a guy named tony stark who does duty as a superhero named iron man, but how they both got to the present day is completely different, and their lives and experiences are also completely different. diving into 616 will be like...well. culture shock. and i’m gonna say it (even if i know the intake of breath on the 616 side is gonna be dramatic): for people wanting to find a characterization more closely related to the mcu? let me point you toward the ultimates runs. it’s kinda gross, but i have a soft spot for it and also it’s more narrowly related, you’ll see things that feel entirely more familiar, before jumping off into the crazy ass world that is 616, where things like steve rogers becoming a werewolf is just...tuesday. the mcu takes elements from both, sure, but you’re gonna see a hell of a lot more ultimates influence, and that’s a fact.

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