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menalez · 9 months

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"but i disagree with ur argument that it’s like. an accepted and normal thing. again, the majority of radblr are bisexuals, the ppl who were prejudiced against bisexuals in such a blatant way were always criticised and being called out and i know this bc i’ve been on here for years at this point and had personally called out many of those ppl who were already basically pariahs outside their own little radblr cliques."

what does it being mostly bisexuals have to do with anything? lots of bisexuals hate other bisexuals most of all. like that imdb person that said bi rape victims are just whiners trying to play 'most oppressed' if they talk about biphobia or that drpepperwoman that said bi victims of abuse shouldn't complain because she as het-partnered bi doesnt feel oppressed so the rest of us must be exaggerating or lying. And plenty of people encourage them and tell them how cool and awesome they are for "standing up" to other bisexuals. Lots of non-bisexuals encourage them.

I don't know how you can think it's not an accepted and normal thing because that is entirely different from my experience. plenty of people that were very friendly with the blackpills are still around and popular, like that like-a-ruby, tenko-irl, desisapphic, lesbian-king-kai and lots of people that reblog from them too less vocally. it's not like I now most of the names tbh only the ones I have seen repeatedly over time. Or like kronkk throwing a tantrum and saying she doesn't care about the blackpills and that they're right and she "loves mean lesbians" and then deleting all those posts when other lesbians started to react badly. or people like piqued-curiosity who say she disagrees with them but always goes out of her way to defend then and say they need compassion and healing, then passes around essays calling bi women dick worshipers and saying bi rape victims are just weaponizing abuse and she calls it insightful and smart, and that rape victims just need to learn critical thinking skills and not zero in on that because those aren't the parts that matter. No one seems to understand that we have every right to get mad at people like her that treat our abuse like an acceptable target even if they claim to disagree with it. And there's weird borderline shit like heterophobic saying she thinks most people are really bisexuals, and heterosexuals are also a sexual minority, basically saying homophobia is the fault of bisexuals because they are the majority and they enforce it. It can't just be that heterosexuals are manipulative and homophobic liars, it must be they are bisexual. Or her saying bisexuals don't experience the core of homophobia, so I guess when we're raped and abused thats some het bullshit that doesnt have to do with real homophobia. Or the lots of women that say weird shit about bi men, anything from that sports are homophobic only because of bi men, to saying bi men need to be exterminated because they hurt all other demographics. Bi women are not stupid we can see that's biphobia that will carry against us too if it was more acceptable.

and most of all maybe you don't see it because radblr is huge, it's not like just you and your followers, it's several circles with sometimes only tiny overlaps. I often dont see these lesbophobes or know who they are until you reblog them to call them out either but that doesn't mean I don't believe you that they're a problem in other circles. maybe you simply don't know the people passing bullshit around bi women all the time but that doesn't mean its not tolerated in some groups. And most of all just like lesbophobia, homophobia, and racism are still a problem I don't know why you think homophobia against bi people was magically solved. Of course its there just like all the rest.

okay after i read this message i now understand that the reason u don’t see them as a fringe group is bc you consistently read things said by both bisexual women & lesbians you disagree with in the most uncharitable and bad faith way possible bc i know some of the stuff you referenced and it wasn’t as you described it

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madohomurat · 1 year

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cannot stop thinking about that person trying to justify "bi lesbian" identity by essentially saying that their biphobia only extends to themselves therefore its okay. like if you hold the belief that the word bisexual doesnt express sapphic attraction well enough, thats textbook biphobia. thats you saying that bisexuals arent "gay enough" and if you think that way about yourself then whos to say you dont feel that way about other bisexuals? you clinging onto biphobic ideas is bad even if you kept your mouth shut, lol. how about trying to unlearn that mentality instead of holding yourself as some kind of exception to the rule?

also that doesnt even begin to acknowledge the blatant fact that the word "sapphic" is right there for you but you insist on stepping on the toes of lesbians and other bisexual women because you legitimately cant fathom that bisexual sapphic love is real...?? youre the one regarding the word bisexual as "less sapphic" than lesbian. youre the one pushing that narrative.

like yknow, in a way i get it! as a baby lesbian i often refrained from calling myself lesbian because i had lesbophobic ideas inside me of what a lesbian is. i thought it was a dirty word, and i sat down and had to think about why i felt that way.

you call yourself a "bi lesbian" because within you, you hold the belief that you are different from other bisexuals. that the way you love women is different from them, that they could never relate to how you love women. and thats biphobia babe!

#discourse bullshit sorry #rambling #they want to justify this identity so fucking badly IT WAS BORN FROM BIPHOBIA TRANSPHOBIA AND LESBOPHOBIA

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butch-bakugo · 1 year

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I can speak from both sides as someone who came out as a bisexual cis woman at 13, a nonbinary lesbian at 16 and back to being a nonbinary bisexual at 20 from both perspectives as a lesbian and a bisexual wlw that biphobia is a bigger issue within the lesbian community than you think and although feminism is a huge part of lesbianism..... Some bisexuals identify as lesbians just because they dont want to lumped in with straight women and it needs to be addressed.

I was a lesbian for 4 to 5 years of my life. Ive seen every cornor, learned every fact, proudly and unproudly identified with what was my community and i can confidently say that although i love that community with my entire heart, certain political lesbians(and i dont mean the terfs) whole heartedly believe that they and their community are constantly under attack from invasive bi women and bisexual afab enbys and its fueling the community's issues with biphobia. I was never as biphobic as when i identified as a lesbian and i didnt even think i was biphobic. There is an issue with lesbians thinking they are better and more inherently feminist than bi wlw because they arent attracted to men.

Theres this superiority complex thats baked into the community that teaches you that because you dont like men, your better than those with a "weakness" for them. That all bisexual women worship at the feet of men. That all bisexual women just want to make lesbians bisexual so they can force men into your life. Is it outright stated? Fuck no. But i felt it and saw it and as someone who was healing from sexual trauma ive recieved from cishet men, bi men and a cis bi woman, i was more than enough in a place to receive it. Im sure there are plenty of lesbians who didnt see it or experience it and plenty of them ran in the same circles i did. Trust me when i say that not all lesbians, including political ones, are inherently biphobic.

What i am saying is that when you dive to a certain point in political feminist lesbianism, you'll probably hit bubbles full of biphobia, eventually you hit the transphobic ones too. The lesbian community dose have issues and they need to be addressed but that dose not excuse the blatant and open lesbophobia i was seeing from some bisexual, aro and ace people who associate lesbianism with the shitty parts of terfs. Or ace exclusionism. Some of you did blatantly hate lesbians for no fucking reason.

Im not going to do a super deep dive but the biphobia issues and biphobic sediments i heard on repeat and agreed with as lesbian horrify me as a bisexual right now and im embaressed by what i thought and supported. Please look inside and see that if your a lesbian who holds animosity towards or looks down on your bisexual friends or bisexuals in general because they like men, please do some introspection and realize we are just as political and feminist as you are.

#levi speaks #maybe i just had issues but i know what ive seen #yall have a problem and it needs adressed #i dare a 2 yr lesbian come at me calling me lesbophobic #honey no #ive seen everything its there #ur not gonna gaslight me lol

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puphee · 2 years

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not the same anon but omg THANK YOU SO MUCH for telling them what bisexuality actually means!! im a genderfluid bisexual and I’ve been told countless times that i should identify as pan since im gfluid and that makes no sense? 😭😭 bisexuality is NOT exclusionary in any way! Sometimes I feel so invalidated bc of how bisexuality is perceived as transphobic :((

Your response to their question made my day! im so much happier after reading that, you have no idea… Btw since we are on the lgbtq+ topic I’d like to say a happy late pride month :D You’re my favorite person in this platform. Also sorry if there are any grammatical errors, eng is not my 1st language

Bae, it is 12:18 am and this made both my day and my night. Thanks, happy late pride month to you, too! Also your English in this was perfect, no worries! I'm glad I have the honour of being called your favourite <3

And fr?? Like,, who are they to say what bisexuality is and isn't? If they don't identify as bi, they shouldn't get a say in what it is or isn't. (I feel the same way about roe v wade btw, if you don't have a uterus, you dont get to be a part of the conversation, but thats a convo for another day on another blog, bc this blog is mostly for fun!) For a long time I thought they were the same, because they basically are! Any pansexuals please feel free to educate me if I'm wrong on that. Bisexuals and pansexuals still experience attraction to any and all genders. I don't really understand the argument of "gender blindness" though, but that just be because of the way I think. If anyone would like to attempt to make me understand, feel free. But back to the topic at hand, bisexuality really isn't as black and white as so many people think it is! And I know so many people or at least have heard of so many of the young ones identifying as pan instead of bi because pan is "more inclusive" or it means "all genders not two" WHO TOLD YOU THAT??? that is just blatant biphobia man and that shit is so annOYING like I have whole ass carrds (not made by me but still very informative) abt this stuff and it's a shame that there has to be one about it because it's just such a common misconception. And that misconception is biphobic too! It's very frustrating to talk to people who identify as pan who use the "bi means two, pan means all" thing because LITERALLY if you're going by that logic that means you are saying you are attracted to inhuman things and things such as plants and animals and such. I don't think that's what they really are attracted to, so why do they just assume what bisexuals are attracted to? It's really annoying. Pansexuality literally got so popular because people were wanting to be more inclusive when bisexuality, it's almost-twin label, isn't exclusive at all! There was no problem in the first place with bisexuality and there never has been a problem with bisexuality. If you think otherwise, you're biphobic and I don't want you on my page fr.

#🦋ask : anon #bisexuality #bisexual

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monsterqueers · 4 years

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I cannot stress enough that men are correctively raped on the basis of orientation too, and ignoring this really doesnt help anyone.

#saw a post that was alright in theory until the op implied only women get this treatment #yes this is about the bi women geek and misandry post #sj #siggggghhhh #rape mention //#wayward rambling #we can acknowledge both the fact that bi women have a very specific flavor of biphobia levied at them AND that while the flavor is often #different bi men will often experience it too #and thats just ignoring the blatant 'what trans people lololol' of making it so binary #bi men may get treated like bi women because whoops transphobia or 'not passing'#bi nbs go either way #trans women!!! What about fucking trans women!!!!!!#vague /#not wanting to start fights but also ugh

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whereimfeminine · 5 years

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not to be salty in the midst of all the beautiful hontent, but anons reducing kiko mizuhara, who’s had a very successful career across different fields, to a “bland instagram model,” and complaining how people should be focusing solely on harry hanging out with the queer eye guys, MEN!!!!!... mmmm just say u hate women and move on, harry isn’t here for that type of shit 👋

#between this and sme of the biphobia #that wasn't even on anon #like BLATANT biphobia #yesterday....#yall should really reflect on why you need #belittle every woman near harry #and latch on to every man #like yes i get it #im very excited harrys hanging out w the queer eye guys #its super fun #you can enjoy that #without...... belittling kiko lmao #kikos worked w beyonce and rihanna like??? thats success babes #anyways dont send me anons about this #i wont answer #this is my discourse quota for the year #and if you dont wanna talk about someone #dont fucking talk about them?#dont belittle them

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reluctant-mandalore · 3 years

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Honestly I’m really glad a lot of y’all support me talking about and wanting to write some bi stuff. It’s even nicer to meet other bi folk in the fandom too.

Like I dunno in past fandom spaces I always experienced a lot of biphobia and saw a lot of blatant bi erasure, so I’m always like afraid to talk about anything related to bisexuality.

And thats not to say I haven’t seen it in this fandom, because I have, but like I dunno where I’m going with this honestly. But I’m glad I have some lovely followers and mutuals who support me and the things I wanna write

#cy speaks #bisexual #for real thou #it was one of the reasons I stopped participating in lots of fandoms #and like this one def has its flaws #dont get me wrong #but Im just happy to have some supportive followers and mutuals #I hate saying this #but Im always nervous to talk about bi stuff #or bring up any issues related to bi folk

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vampireqrow-moved · 3 years

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um its my birthday so wait until 12:01am pst to block me if u hate this post 🥰🥰

long story short the pansexual label is redudant and actively harmful (its far from the worst problem bisexuals face but it is one issue) and i dont hate anyone who identifies as pan because A) those ppl are bi like me and B) i used to identify as pan myself.

if thats enough for you to block me and make a callout post for me then i cant stop you but pretty please either read this whole thing or just wait a few minutes for my bday to end 🥰🥰

anyways im kicking off this point with some personal experiences bc i love to talk to myself. i got introduced to the pan label at maybe 10ish years old, and started identifying with it pretty much right away. i heard about it before bisexual and it was pitched as attraction to all genders and of course trans people. i was of course a trans ally! i had trans friends! i was trans also but hadnt figured it out yet! the way i had heard of it, there was no bisexual, there was no need for bisexual, and identifying differently was excluding trans people, which I was certainly against. being bisexual was trans exclusionary and why would i exclude trans people? the 'hearts not parts' slogan was thriving around this time and i genuinely said it and meant it.

as i started to become more online, mostly through roleplaying websites and tumblr here, i started hearing of bisexuality. it was supposedly an older term, so older people still used it, but it was common knowledge that pansexual was the better, inclusive label and younger people should adopt the new inclusive language instead of the old and transphobic words like bisexual. /s

and then bi and pan solidarity was all the rage! pansexual wasnt erasing bisexuality, why did anyone ever think that? bi and pan were two separate and complete identities that were valid and had to be respected or youre a mean exclusionist. and an asexual person, hearing people labelled exclusionist always meant they were excluding people from the lgbta community who rightfully belonged, denying peoples lived experiences, and generally telling people theyre wrong about their sexuality because theyre too young. and all of those things were bad and had hurt me, so it would be ridiculous to change labels and support "pan exclusionists" because they were just as bad as ace and aro exclusionists, and they were all the same people. or so it seemed to me at that time.

then, 'hearts not parts' began getting called out for blatant transphobic by insinuating that pansexual was the only identity that loved people for their "hearts" and personalities instead of those gross gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and even straights who only saw people for their "parts". (STRAIGHT PEOPLE ARE NOT OPPRESSED. I AM MERELY POINTING OUT THAT PANSEXUALITY WAS SHOWN AS ABOVE ALL OTHERS.) many pan people, including myself, began to denounce the slogan and insist pansexuality wasnt transphobic, there had just been a coincidence that a transphobic slogan was everywhere and a huge part of people's explantions of and associations with pansexuality. hint: it wasnt a coincidence.

from my perspective, this is when i began to see people discussing dropping the word pansexual. that seemed to be a huge step from getting rid off a transphobic slogan, and these people were just meanies who hated microlabels. and i like microlabels! as a genderfluid person, and someone who has friends who use specific aro and acespec labels, ive seen how people can use them to name specific experiences while still acknowleging their presence underneath umbrella terms like aromantic, asexual, nonbinary, lgbta, and for some people, queer.

pansexuals dont do that. they dont label pansexuality as a specific set of experiences under the bisexual umbrella, they see themselves as a separate identity, and even if they started to, the history of biphobia and transphobic undeniably linked to the existence of pansexuality in enough to stop being worth using. but i digress. pansexualitys shiny new definition that many people cling to is that pansexual is attraction to all genders. bisexual is two or more genders.

which. frankly? doesnt make any sense. my guess is that its supposed to be inclusive of nonbinary genders and those a part of cultures who historically have not had a binary gender system in the first place. i cannot speak for the latter group, but as a nonbinary person, its not inclusive. anyone can be attracted to nonbinary people. literally anyone. theres no way to know if everyone you meet is nonbinary or not. whether or not a nonbinary person reciprocates those feelings and is interested in pursuing a relationship is completely up to the individual, regardless of the sexualities of the people involved.

bottom line is that you cant number the amounts of genders someone can be attracted to, thus rendering those definitions pointless. people can be attracted to all kinds of people regardless of gender, even if they are gay, a lesbian, or straight. all people can date thousands of nonbinary genders if all people involved are interested and comfortable with it. numbering the genders you can be attracted to diminishes the post of nonbinary, as it is not a third gender, it simply any experience not fitting within the western concept of the gender binary (if the person so chooses to identify as such. if you cant tell already, the nonbinary experience is varied between every single nonbinary person.) important to note also that no widely accepted bisexual text defines bisexual as attracted to exclusively two genders or even the "two or more genders". i know this is used a lot but please read the bisexual manifesto. its free online i promise.

some people also claim pansexuals experience "genderblind" attraction while bisexuals feel differently attracted to different genders. this is very nitpicky for whats supposed to be two unconnected idenities, but thats only part of the problem. this definition is also not in any widely accepted bisexual texts, and bisexuality has never excluded those who experience genderblind attraction. i am in fact a bi person who experiences genderblind attraction. this does not mean i am not bisexual. it simply means i experience bisexuality differently than other bisexuals, and thats wonderful! no broad communities like bisexuality are expected to all share the same experience. we are all so different and its amazing were able to come together under the bisexual flag.

last definition, or justification i should say, is that yes these definitions are redundant and theyre the same sexuality, but people prefer different labels and thats okay. i agree in principle. people can define themselves as many things like homosexuals or gays or lesbians or queers or even other reclaimed slurs, while still not labelling themselves under the most "common" or "accurate" labels.

but pansexuality isnt the same as bisexuality, which may sound silly but hear me out. it has been continually used as a way to further divide bisexuals, who are already subject to large amounts of lgbta discrimination. "pansexuality was started by trans people who were upset with transphobia within the bisexual community! it cant be transphobic OR biphobic!" except of course that it can and it is. to say that trans people cant be transphobic is absurd. transmedicalism is right there, but thats not what im getting at. all minorities can have internal and sometimes external biases against people who are the same minority as them.

pansexuality was started as a way to be trans inclusive at the expense of labelling bisexuality as transphobic when its not. transphobia is everywhere, and bisexuals are not exempt. instead of working on the transphobia within the community, the creators of pansexuality decided to remove themselves from it to create a better and less tainted word and community, and the fact that pansexuality is intended to replace bisexuality or leave it for the transphobes goes to show a few things. pansexuality and bisexuality are inherently linked because the pan label is in response to the bi label. due to its origins, it is inherently competing with bisexuality and it cant be "reclaimed" from its biphobic roots. pansexuality is not a whole, separate, and valid label. its a biphobic response to issues within the bisexual community.

to top off this post, heres something a full grown adult once said to me. in person. she was my roommate. "i feel like im pan because im attracted to trans people. trans women, trans men, i could definitely date them. but not nonbinary people because thats gross and weird." she saw pan as trans inclusive and defined herself that way as opposed to bi which is shitty!

also a little extra tidbit about my experiences identifying as pan. i saw myself as better than every bi person. all of them. even my trans and bi friends. whenever they brought up being bisexual i would think to myself "why dont you identify as pansexual? its better and shows people you support trans people." because i was made to believe bisexuality didnt and was therefore inferior. thats the mindset that emerged from my time in the pansexual community. i am so sorry to all of my bisexual friends even if they never noticed. i love you all and hope you have a great day. this also goes to any bisexuals or people who identify as bi in anyway, such as biromantic or simply bi. love you all.

ummm yeah heres some extra reading i found helpful and relevant. here and here. also noooo dont disagree with me and unfollow me im so sexy 🥴🥴🥴

#if u have follow up questions ill probably answer them 2morrow #if u ask something just be nice its my birthday 🙄🙄#anyways time to tag this lol !#pansexuality #biphobia #transphobia #q slur #long post #my post #ask to tag maybe??

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