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#like? the dark forest maybe? i guess? darktail somehow? idk?
yuridovewing · 9 months
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"Mudclaw you don't get it. Onestar's mental breakdown is CRITICAL to our clan's success"
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blorboclaw · 2 years
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What do you think would‘ve happened if Cloudtail had actually been interested in Daisy, divorced Brightheart and became her [Daisy‘s] mate instead?
OK so!
Daisy and Cloudtail get together (after the badger attack for commodity reasons). Brightheart starts training under Leafpool to find a purpose, although Leafpool tries to get her back to warrior duties because... she’s not supposed to be a medicine cat.
Whitewing, who is very close to both her parents and only an apprentice at the time, starts having attachement issues. She doesn’t stay longer in the apprentice’s den to stay with Birchfall, and she might even start looking for a mate outside of the clan because... well, a divorce in such a small, tightly-knit community... everyone is forced to pick a side, somehow. So let’s say she will end up becoming mates with a warrior from outside the clan.
Squirrelflight sees that and feels like there is something wrong with cheating on one of your mates. So she stays with Ashfur, because she might like Brambleclaw more, but she just... can’t imagine causing even more couple-related drama in the clan. Call it peer pressure when the peers have no idea they’re pressuring, if you will. Ashfur doesn’t help Hawkfrost to kill Firestar, which means:
- One more life (or one less life less...) for Firestar
- No climactic “blood will call blood” foxtrap scene. Firestar has no more reason than before to trust Brambleclaw and will eventually regret naming him deputy.
Ashfur is sure the Three are his kits.
Graystripe comes back. Firestar ejects Brambleclaw from his position because he doesn’t like him and there’s no “you saved my life” nor “you’re by son in law” in place to keep him in the post. Graystripe doesn’t want to be deputy again. Firestar says “ok but Brambleclaw was still only a temporary deputy. Brackenfur, your turn to shine.”
Brackenfur becomes deputy.
At some point, Ashfur realizes how genetics work when he realizes all of Brackenfur and Sorreltail kits look like them, or that Berrynose is Daisy’s spitting image, etc. and starts wondering if Squirrelflight didn’t cheat on him. The guy was unhinged alreay in canon, and ending with Squirrelflight wouldn’t have changed anything to it.
So he traps her during the fire. She tells him that the kids are neither his nor hers. Hollyleaf has to kill the guy she thought was her father in order to protect everyone. And then she tells everyone at the gathering, and disappears under the tunnels.
In the mean time, Cloudtail and Daisy had two cream-and-white kits, Toadkit and Rosekit but with better-suited names except I don’t have any idea right now. Maybe Frostkit and Spottedkit? Anyway. We’ll keep calling them by their “canon” names.
Firestar wonders if those two are part of the prophecy once Hollyleaf has disappeared. They are not.
But then who could? Ooooh... that’s true, Cloudtail has a daughter from another mate... Whitewing, your daughters are very beautiful. Dovekit and Ivykit you say? Great. May I... May I know who the father is? No? Well that’s your right I guess.
Dovekit and Ivykit’s father is a member of Shadowclan. Who? Idk whoever.
Anyway the Third is half Shadowclan, the first two are half windclan. That means when the Dark Forest rises, both neighbours of Thunderclan can lay a claim on one of the Three. Since the Fourth, Firestar, is part of Thunderclan, Riverclan lays a claim on the third Three. Firestar still has one life left after the battle and Brackenfur decides to step down from deputyship due to Sorreltail’s death. Cinderheart becomes deputy and becomes Cinderstar when Firestar loses his last life in the Great Storm.
There is no Snowbush, no Dewnose and no Ambermoon, so there’s no Larksong, and no Nightheart. When Dovewing joins Shadowclan, everyone knows she’s half shadowclan and doesn’t seem too surprised. It also allows her to join SHadowclan much sooner, actually even before Darktail arrives. When he does, Tigerheart leaves for Shadowclan, but Dovewing can’t bear to go back to her old clan and decides to stay, to be a spy like Ivypool before her. She tries to get away at some point and is killed by Darktail. For plot reasons we’ll say she had ShadowLightBounce before Darktail’s arrival and they were taken by Tigerheart to Thunderclan.
So TL;DR: while Cloudtail’s love shenanigans wouldn’t have had a big impact on the clan, the effect it would have had on his family would have led to Dovewing being killed by Darktail and Brackenfur to be deputy instead of Brambleclaw.
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need1etail · 3 years
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!!!!!!!!!
DASH!!!!!! YOU CLEVER, SLY SON-OF-A-GUN (I MEAN THAT LOVINGLY). 
THAT LAST CHAPTER HAS ME,,, I HAVE NO WORDS. ALL THE PIECES HAVE FALLEN INTO PLACE SO WONDERFULLY. HOW CAN I GO ON KNOWING THAT THIS ISN’T THE AVOS THAT WE ALL SHOULD’VE GOTTEN???? HOW DO I ACCEPT THAT FACT AND JUST LIVE MY LIFE LIKE I’M TOTALLY NOT GOING TO CONSTANTLY BE THINKING ABOUT HOW THE ERINS DIDN’T EVEN COME CLOSE TO GIVING US ANYTHING AS GREAT, TIED TOGETHER, AND DIVERSE AS YOUR REWRITE, THEREFORE MEANING THAT IS TRULY ONE OF THE WORST INJUSTICES HARPER COLLINS HAS EVER FORCED UPON US? THIS KNOWLEDGE WILL HAUNT ME UNTIL I DIE.
OK LET ME TRY TO CALM DOWN,,,
I cannot stress enough how great your foreshadowing is!!! As soon as I read Russet saying she told Pine (her reactions in certain scenes makes so much more sense now ahhh!!!) and Ferret about what happened to Darktail/Shadekit (that breaks my heart, to imagine two little kits grieving so much for their brother! Oh, and I did not miss that cheeky little line from Mudstar about how he thought Dark was his and Russet’s son, and Russet’s amusement when she was like “i’m flattered, but i’m also gay lol" arikfa efE FF), I feel like I had a straight-up windows 10 blue screen of death error happening right before my eyes. 
I swear to god – I’m not exaggerating!! – that a little voice in the back of my head immediately remembered the convo between Violet and Pine in T&S:
“But I wasn’t Clan born.”
Pinenose sighed and opened her green eyes again. “My father wasn’t Clan born,” she murmured, blinking at her. “I guess we have that in common.”
Violetkit felt comforted. “I thought your father was Blackstar?” she mewed, cuddling up into Pinenose’s belly fur.
“Other father,” Pinenose whispered, licking her head. “Sorry, dear, I’m just so tired. You belong here, with me and your brothers and sisters…” She closed her eyes and lay her head back down.
“Who was your other father?” Violetkit breathed the words, so quiet it sounded like the whisper of a breeze.
But Pinenose was asleep again, snoring once more. 
The way I hollered when the lines from that scene basically flashed before my very eyes–
GOD. 
I remember it so clearly because when I first read it ages ago, I was like, "That’s definitely different!” and tried to think of what Pine meant. I had a niggling feeling it meant something, but I figured it would turn out that the other father was maybe a cat who was exiled due to helping the Dark Forest during the battle or something, so that’s why he’s not talked about??? My thought process was basically, “Ok so we know Russet is Pine and Ferret’s mother, and Black is the father,,, Twig confirmed that when she told Ivy about telling her stories about what it’s like to be the kit of two leaders,,, but nobody’s ever mentioned a third mate except this tidbit right here from Pine!!! Why has his name not been mentioned?”
I could not for the life of me come up with a cat! But I should’ve known you would tie in a loose-end like Sol so goddamn neatly into this, because of course it’s Sol!!! His name is basically cursed among the Clans. Everybody – especially ShadowClan – are like “Uhhh let’s all collectively ignore that point in time when that sack of shit showed up and tried to destroy us” rair vkrw vhwkd jdm poor Black was a lovestruck dummy. I can’t even judge, because I can relate.
Anyway, you threw me for a loop, and I could not be happier about it! You’ve done that for all the books so far, and god, I didn’t think I could be more excited for the next ones than I am, but clearly I should’ve known better!! I will never be able to read canon AVOS and be satisfied ever again. Granted, I’ve not read any of it except once through as they were being published, because I was disappointed by how lackluster it was. Your rewrite is definitely something that I’ll want to reread once it’s all said and done, though. ’m going to be on my deathbed and the last words I utter will be, “Dash…should have…been able to debunk canon AVOS as fanon…and make his rewrite…canon…instead…” and then just die.
But I won’t rest peacefully, because Harper Collins are COWARDS. @ HARPER, JUST HIRE DASH TO BE EDITOR AND WRITER OF THE SERIES!!! WE’VE SUFFERED ENOUGH WITH YOUR BULLSHIT!!! AND GIVE HIM FREE REGIN TO REWRITE THE ENTIRE SERIES WHILE WE’RE AT IT, YOU COWARDS!!!!
I JUST– AHHHHH.
Sorry to send this as a submit and that so much of it is in all caps!!! I wish I could lie and say the caps lock is gets stuck on my keyboard as a reason why I write in caps so much, but that would be a lie. I’m just really excited and hyped from that chapter, and feel like shouting all this irl!!!! I wanted the full scope of my awe for you to come through in this message! LIKE MY GOD, DASH, YOUR MIND—
AEOVLREF AREFKH
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AAAOIJCOIAS This whole thing just got me >:3c!! I’m so glad you liked the plot twist cause it was something I became worried about after a little while (like maybe when I started Shattered Sky) and I actually got an ask saying that someone thought that Mudstar was Darktail’s thought and I 100% considered scrapping the entire Sol plot and trying to make it all work with somehow Darktail being Russet and Mud’s kit and Pine, Ferret, and Starling being Russetstar and Mudstar’s kit (obviously it didn’t work out but Mudstar thinking Darktail was their son was a nod to that lol)
BUT THANK YOU :)!! Actually the idea of Pine, Ferret, and Starling doesn’t belong to me! It belongs to @/jjadestar (I got their permission like a week or so after I started the rewrite), but these characters do really feel like they’re my own daknscn. 
The Pinenose saying her father was a loner was TOTALLY spontaneous lol. I knew at the time that I wanted Sol to be her dad but as I was writing that scene it just kind of clicked and I realized that Violetkit/paw and her could have a legit connection over this. It was never brought up again, unfortunately, but it MIGHT be brought up again sometime soon?? Idk finasoinc.
Anyway this whole think just made my gay little heart go brrr jncoasdnoic. You’re so sweet and I’m so glad it got you lmao. Plot twists are my favorite things, and I’m so glad to know I did it well :3!
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