#ship hate

[just-jayy]

A Cautionary Tale of Small Fandoms

𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝒹𝑒𝒻𝑒𝓃𝓈𝑒 𝒶𝓃𝒹 𝒸𝓁𝒶𝓇𝒾𝒻𝒾𝒸𝒶𝓉𝒾𝑜𝓃 𝑜𝒻 𝒶 𝓉𝓌𝒾𝓈𝓉𝑒𝒹 𝓈𝓉𝑜𝓇𝓎

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**Edit: the person associated in the doc has their posse flooding the notes in futile attempts to "debunk" the document (I have them all blocked as I said I would do at the end, but their asses did not read it and it shows). If this is not perfect examples of cult mentality from an adult who cannot fight her own battle, then I don't know what is.

#kaeloo #fandom drama // #fandom #ship #ship drama #ship hate #bigotry // #homophobia// #lesbophobia // #user beware #small fandoms #caution #anti-shipper #antishipper #proship #anti #fandom beware #anti feminism // #adult fans #fandom olds #fandom old #ace attorney #madoka #madoka magica #puella magi madoka magica

[real-total-drama-takes]

Alright, do you want to know why I really hate nemma? It’s because it DID ruin my gay ships. Yeah, I fucking said it. Not noco or alenoah though, I’m talking about nowen. They fucking robbed us. They gave us two of the gayest characters ever closer to each other than with anyone else and didn’t even let them be ambiguous. I can’t even write post canon works without thinking what the fuck I have to do with nemma. RR should have been the nowen season. Rewrites NOW. Nowen canon NOW. I hate it here.

#ship hate #nowen

[real-fire-emblem-takes]

the way fem!chrobin has an objectively worse support chain than masc!chrobin is still insane to me. like who tf in the writer department thought it’d be better to change a good support chain to “you saw me undressed so i have to hit you, baka!!!” it’s no wonder masc!chrobin is given more attention these days in spite of being impossible ingame

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#fe #fire emblem #ship hate #chrom fire emblem #robin fire emblem #m!robin #m!chrobin #chrobin #fe13 #fire emblem awakening #fe awakening

[the-owl-house-takes]

I hate how the crew wasted so much time developing unneeded and rushed shit and completely ignored things that needed to be touched. They had no shame in ignoring characters like, Emira, Amity, Gus, etc.

They wasted chunks of episodes trying to redeem Alador just so the fandom can be happy, (Y'all just like him cause you get to baby him over your ADHD or Autistic headcanons about him and cause you can ship him with Darius). Yet ignore things like Amity as a character outside of Lumity, or Emira. Emira is great and would have been a good example of a child losing their childhood cause they had to raise their siblings. Credit to the anon who brought this to my attention.

Wasted episodes trying to shove Huntlow in our faces, it was unnecessary and bland. They worked well as friends, it made no sense that they tried to add another Canon ship.

If those didn't happen, we would have gotten so much. I hate how Amity's dream of joining the Emperors Coven was shifted to something Odalia forced on her. She was shown being SO HAPPY over the thought of joining the coven and got rightfully mad over being humiliated in front of said coven. But noooo, she's Luz's girlfriend now she can't have a goal that doesn't involve her sweet potato!!!!

Advice to anyone wanting to make a piece of media, don't clog up the story with unnecessary bullshit to the point you neglect characters with potential to be great. ESPECIALLY if you know well that you won't have time for development of said thing(s).

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#the owl house #toh #toh critical #long post #ship hate

[clonehigh-takes]

i don't care about shipping that much but i cannot stand joanabe. im not sure what it is but it makes me so angry i feel like a rabid dog.

#clone high #clone high takes #ch abe #clone high abe #clone high joan #ch joan #joanabe #ship hate

[td-rarepairs]

aleduncan > alenoah okay byeee

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#aleduncan #td alejandro #td duncan #td rarepairs #total drama #ship hate #<- kinda? LOL

[mangora]

Priyaleb is bad because it takes up too much screen time and both of their individual personalities disappear when they interact in a failed attempt to make them seem compatible. But Priyaleb is The Worst because it’s so boring compared to every other possible nonsensical het* ship we could’ve gotten. Romantic Mipper would’ve felt off to me but Millie finds him interesting and Ripper’s willing to help her. Emmaleb seems boring but Emma could’ve gotten the handsome sweet partner she deserves. Chasiya would’ve been bad but it would’ve been so funny. Damiya would’ve been kinda boring but Priya and Damien are capable of having human conversations. I don’t like Juliayne but golden retriever bf x Brooke Hayes LPS Popular cat girlfriend is a classic dynamic. Emmayne is blonde x blonde but it would’ve given them both serious character development (probably). Damiemma…No complaints that sounds adorable. Nichamien is right there too, they’re buddies in canon, maybe they can kiss too?? MKaleb would’ve been funny. Zemma would’ve been fantastic. Zeeya (Pee) has so much potential guys the hurt/comfort the jealousy the misunderstanding of your own feelings. Damillie have interacted and they get along and now they have angst material. Scary Chase would’ve been funny. Scary Ripper would’ve been [funny]. Never forget what they took from you (possibility of less/no priyaleb screen time)

#alex’s td rambles #*het: het in canon it can be yuri or yaoi or secret third thing in your mind #ship hate #sorry guys. they annoyed me so much

[imagining-in-the-margins]

Wait what's wrong with Maeve and Maxine 😭😭 and I do agree that there's sm off with Garcia in CME

There’s nothing wrong with them, really. If you like them, then power to you. The show is fictional and so are the characters, and I don’t ever recommend that people care as much about prime-time television writing as I do lmao.

That being said, I have a few complaints about Maeve as a character and Maxine as a partner for Spencer. I’ll put them below because it’s a lot.

For starters, Maeve is an awful geneticist. I’m also confused as to what the hell her job is. If you have an understanding of medical science, you know that absolutely no part of their story makes sense unless Maeve is an awful person.

(For the record, I don’t think the writers understand medical science, so this is probably unintentional.)

We’re introduced to Maeve as the woman who cured Spencer’s headaches. When he explains how she did that, the “magical cure” is, in fact, the equivalent of a multivitamin. Setting aside how unlikely it is that none of Spencer’s doctors could identify a very basic nutritional deficiency, it’s absolutely absurd that Maeve would recommend high doses of vitamins to someone who isn’t her patient.

(Is she even a medical doctor. Do we ever get confirmation? You don’t need to be to be a geneticist. I know because I’ve worked for one.)

That leads to the next question. Why the FUCK did she agree to read someone’s brain scans? You are NOT a radiologist and you’re not a neurologist. You have NO idea what you’re doing.

Now we move into her even more serious ethical violations.

Maeve identifies this man who is desperately seeking care for (what appear to be) psychosomatic symptoms as a result of trauma and stress. Instead of, I don’t know, helping him access psychiatric care he clearly needs, she…

That’s right! She starts dating him!

Maeve is a master manipulator. We see it repeatedly. Every time that Spencer begins to open up to her or offer her any vulnerability, she responds by either mocking the things he enjoys or by suddenly freezing him out. The one extended conversation we see between the two of them, Spencer expresses the desire to get to know her better, and once again offers his very specialized assistance in her exact problem.

What does Maeve do in response? She refuses to answer. The call goes silent, and she immediately proceeds to heavily guilt him while he apologizes in excess. She starts to vocally cry, but then immediately stops when he retracts his feelings.

Then, when he is devastated by being rejected, she tells him that she loves him and hangs up the phone.

What?

Then we get introduced to Bobby—the very recent fiancé that Maeve completely refused to mention. We hear from Maeve’s parents that Bobby was “controlling,” but when we see him, and how he interacts with Maeve… he’s completely normal? In fact, he seems genuinely concerned for her safety.

We have no reason to believe Bobby was ever acting against her best interests. She sure didn’t give a shit what happened to him, though, or else she could’ve helped him (and herself) by simply letting the FBI help her with a very basic and unsophisticated stalker that was identified in like five seconds.

Maeve didn’t want help. Maeve didn’t want Spencer to be cured. She wanted him to be available and rely on her because she was bored. She was lonely and she exploited a sick man for company. She left Bobby because she was worried about his safety. Didn’t give a fuck about Spencer’s, though.

I think Spencer knew that, too. Because even in his fantasy of her, he playfully corrects her just for her to shut him down for “arguing” with her. Because he corrected something she said that was literally just wrong.

So, that’s why I hate her.

(Don’t even get me started on how nothing they did made sense to avoid a stalker. You had Spencer call the same number every week on the same time through the same mechanism. Her number. She never changed her number. How many times does the BAU tell us that routine is a stalker’s best friend? Come on, man.)

Moving on to Maxine.

She’s fine. Really, I don’t have any qualms with who she is as a person except for the fact she’s a teacher who hates her job (and her name). You’re telling me this woman who went through school for art history hates children’s art? What?

Also, why are you devaluing children’s art? They’re kids. Are you okay?

The first thing we learn about her is that she’s a teacher, but she hates it because children’s art is lame. So, with a man’s permission (Spencer), she leaves that job to go work for the Smithsonian (Finally! A prestigious enough career for her!).

Setting aside how cringeworthy that notion is, it’s not even the worst part about that storyline.

My problem with her is the way they set up their relationship. Saturday begins with Spencer expressing his (very autistic) concerns about connecting with other people. In response, the psychologist essentially tells him to… just be normal, dude.

That’s when we meet Max, who then spends the rest of their onscreen time together constantly reminding Spencer how fucking weird he is and he should just chill out and be normal.

Pass.

That whole idea of “ommmggg we’re not dating okay it’s super chill and casual 🙄 we’re not dating it’s not even that serious 😒 he’s NOT my boyfriend I don’t want to call him that 😬” is also… not cute. It’s very juvenile and sort of insulting. It always came off to me as her repeatedly saying she doesn’t even really like him that much, she’s just there because the narrative needs her.

Then we get Date Night. What a fucking disaster of an episode. Here, we get to see Cat and Spencer reduced to absolute idiots who randomly believe a basic ass young woman’s super manufactured story about how she murdered someone.

Are you serious? Cat Adams, an actual serial killer, can’t tell when someone isn’t an actual murderer?

SPENCER REID, AN ACTUAL GENIUS AND A DECORATED BEHAVIORAL PROFILER, CAN’T TELL WHEN HIS GIRLFRIEND IS LYING ABOUT BEING A MURDERER?

Of course, we’re meant to believe she’s “just that good,” and also seemingly totally fine under the pressure of her family being kidnapped and potentially murdered.

(Maybe she is a psychopath?)

Her little jokes about Cat as a “mean girl but stabby” are so poorly received in the context of the episode. We have Spencer, still reeling from JJ’s forced confession and the upcoming loss of his mother, lamenting about how he really needs to stop basing his whole identity on the women who love him. Yet, that’s exactly what Max is there for. To be “better than Cat” so he has someone new to attach his mouth to.

(Also, super fucking weird she abandoned her family and kissed him after saying how much he liked kissing Cat, but we’ll move past that.)

Max is a mediocre character and a misogynist’s attempt to make a girlboss. She is also a way for the writers to reinforce that Spencer will only be deserving of love when he stops being so autistic “weird” and learns to just be “normal.”

Spencer frankly deserves better than that. This is why I’ve always loved his love interests like Lila and Austin. They reveled in Spencer’s “weirdness.” They found his real personality charming and cute. They were nice to him because they actually liked him.

So, that’s why I don’t like Maeve and Maxine. Feel free to disagree, but you should probably argue with someone else because I’ve developed my opinion after (too) many rewatches. I don’t see my perspective changing much.

That brings me back to how I started this rant, though. This is a fictional serial television show. It’s not literature to be preserved forever. It’s just our fun little copaganda show, and you can enjoy it however you want! That is your right, and you shouldn’t let me rain on your parade.

Just have fun! That’s what fandom is all about.

#answer #answered #anti-maeve #anti-Maxine #ship hate

[marrfixated]

Sorry Juliayne shippers but I laughed way more than I should at this

#hahahsha she’s so real #ship hate #I guess? in case people don’t want to see it #original post #total drama #shitpost #total drama 2023 #total drama island #total drama reboot #td priya #td Julia #td Wayne

[noodleyp]

I just wrote a small piece of writing about why I dislike Huntlow so much and love Willuz, personally. Copied and pasted here.

Huntlow sucks absolute ass.

Character death for both Hunter and Willow

Hunter needed more time to work on himself. He was absolutely lost without his structure and chain of command. He replaced the Coven with Willow, he viewed her as his new “commander” of sorts, only addressing her as “Captain” for the longest time.

Meanwhile it feels like they had to write away a decent amount of Willow’s character to make Huntlow work better imo. She was definitely on the path to becoming the “strong, independent woman” of the show, even if cliché, all this was thrown away to put her right at Hunter’s side.

Honestly I think Willuz would’ve worked amazingly. Both Willow and Luz are incredibly independent and kind characters, and would’ve worked incredibly well together, allowing the both of them to be themselves, but together. I like Lumity, but I feel Willuz would’ve been phenomenal.

4/9/2024: Edited for readability and clarification

#the owl house #toh #toh critical #toh criticism #anti huntlow #ship hate #willuz

[pinklemonslices]

no better way to start the day than a cup of juice and hating on coderra. god bless

#total drama #ship hate

[real-total-drama-takes]

"duncney was better" "scottney was better" SHUT UP courtney belongs with gwen you guys don't get it.

listen to me. courtney doesn't belong with d*ncan he is a misogynistic manchild. scott is just a manchild but at least he respects women.

now. gwen. courtney admits in tdas that she missed gwen more than duncan. COURTNEY CARES MORE ABOUT GWEN THAN DUNCAN!!

and gwen GWEN CARED SO MUCH THAT SHE WOULD GO THROUGH ANOTHER SEASON OF TOTAL DRAMA TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT WITH COURTNEY!!

guys you have to understand. they are meant for each other. their personalities complement each other so well. do you see the vision DO YOU SEE THE VISION gwen x courtney for LIFE

gwourtney fans rise up. im sick of hearing about duncney. they don't belong together. courtney outgrew him. i could go on for hours about why duncney isn't healthy but i need to go make more GWOURTNEY CONTENT!!!!

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#total drama #ship hate #gwourtney #td gwen #td courtney

[real-fire-emblem-takes]

I am so, so tired of chrobin. the ship in itself is fine it’s inoffensive but I wish people talked about more than awakening than just chrobin most of the time. Chrobin is cannibalizing the game it came from and it’s not even mopping the floor after it’s done it’s just leaving bloody footprints everywhere like a rude houseguest that also takes over everything. idk I just think that people calling every interaction they have as romantic and proof it’s canon without really allowing room for anything else is annoying. once I saw someone say that the pairing is proven canon because M!Morgan’s eyes were blue in one cipher card. Does anyone want to talk about Robin/Virion or something instead. Chrom/Vaike. Anything. Bueller. Bueller

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#fe #fire emblem #fandom takes #ship hate #fe13 #fe awakening #fire emblem awakening

[hikaaa-bi]

it's absurd how out of all the ships in toh, huntlow is the most popular one. not even lumity! and definitely not raeda, even though it's the most compatible and best written ship in the show. but no, the most forced and incompatible ship that completely took a shit on both of the characters involved. that's the one fans love the most.

#anti huntlow #toh critical #the owl house #toh #toh criticism #toh salt #anti toh #anti huntl0w #ship hate #i'm still upset about how raeda didnt get the screentime they deserved #especially since theyre one of the few queer ships in media that involves older/middle aged people #that aren't just gay moms/dads but has two complex characters #raeda had so much potential and i would have loved to see more of them

[mayandjuly1811]

WHY HUNTLOW IS A FORCED AND UNREALISTIC  SHIP.

1. First impressions:

Raeda has the most amicable meeting. About Lumity, Amity shook Luz's collar and almost got Principal Bump dissect her. It stems from misunderstanding, because Amity doesn't know Luz is human but a strange non-Abomination that Willow used to cheat. About Huntlow, Willow seems to be violent for no reasons at all. Hunter disguises as a Hexside student so to Willow, he's just a student that she doesn't know. He's not a threat at all. Yet she summons the vines to wrap him tightly and drags him down the ground so hard that the asphalt gets damaged. Treating strangers like this is not fine and out of character for Willow.

Also, when Hunter is about to leave again, Willow drags him down the ground and takes him to the field without asking his permission. This crosses boundaries a lot. In comparison, even though Amity sees Hunter as an enemy in Eclipse Lake, she just simply uses Abomination magic to capture him, not dragging him down violently like Willow.

2. Understanding:

Raine and Eda have a genuine common interest in music, magic (Eda is interested in wild magic and Raine supports her). Luz and Amity are both interested in Azura, the idea of being not enough for anyone, the idea of being accepted and loved for who they really are. Amity is also interested in Luz's glyph magic and she learns to draw it many times. 

About Huntlow, I don't see any common between them besides flyer derby. The whole “Half a Witch” is forced. Half a witch means a witch who is not powerful enough. Willow is a powerful Plant witch, her fathers just didn't realize her real magic talent and put her into Abomination track, which isn't her forte. If you're only good at Maths, but not Chemistry, does it make you unintelligent overall? Of course not. 

About Hunter, first off, he is not even a witch. He's a Grimwalker with no bile sack, his pointed ears were adjusted to look like witches’. Also, he's skillful at using magic staffs so no one sees him as powerless. He's the elite Golden Guard, one of the most powerful figures under Belos. No one dares to call him half a witch, even if they do think he's weak. And how he quickly recognizes the illusion of Willow in S2ep18 is unrealistic. How come Gus, Willow's long-term friend can't figure out before Hunter? The fact that Willow seems to be scared of Hunter is understandable. Last time, he literally locked her and her friends up, then kidnapped them, he also worked for Belos. Who knows if he's gonna do the same?

Hunter and Willow know little about each other. It's one sided. Hunter knows Willow is a strong and independent person, a caring and selfless girl. But Willow knows too little about Hunter compared with Luz, Gus and Amity. They never have a serious talk about Hunter's trauma caused by Belos, only a short scene of Willow cutting his hair. In Thanks to Them, Hunter has a deeper conversation with Luz and Gus than with Willow. With Willow, he just blushes even though nothing happens. Gus and Hunter's bond makes more sense than Huntlow to be honest. They both like Flyer Derby, they both like Cosmic Frontier, Gus knew about Hunter's being Grimwalker and his conflict with Belos, Hunter comforted Gus when he felt sad in Labyrinth Runner and when he missed his Dad. Hunter's screentime with Gus is even more than with Willow. Their platonic bond is stronger than Huntlow's forced romantic one.

Feeling development.

The way Willow and Hunter like each other is too rushed and unexpected. Starting with Hunter, he met Willow only one time in ASIAS and started to have a crush on her? He only met her once directly and already blushed? And Willow, she treats Hunter the same way she treats everyone. Only until Hunter has power and saves her does she fall for him. It's so rushed all of the sudden. Some people say they live together in Luz's house for months so they have feelings for each other. But there are no bonding moments between them besides the cutting hair scene. Even though the show is cut short, from Willow's scrapbook, she and Hunter don't have any bonding moments between the two of them.

Comforting.

It's one sided again. Hunter is understanding and sympathetic towards Willow. Meanwhile, how Willow tries to comfort him is questionable. He just lost Flapjack and Willow isn't understanding at all. She gives him the Flapjack picture, causing him to feel grieving again. He's been struggling to hold back his grief to focus on helping others. This backfires really back. She should have waited until Hunter brought things up about Flapjack first, just like Gus. He knows Hunter is a Grimwalker since the Day of Unity, but he doesn't bring anything up first and waits until Hunter says it first. He thinks about Hunter's emotions after being traumatized by Belos 

Also, when Hunter looks upset, Willow should have stayed to continue to comfort him?! Instead, she acts like she's the one who is hurting and leaves. Imagine you're feeling sad, someone tries to comfort you. You haven't felt better since you need time, they feel sad and leave you. Now you feel guilty because you can't be happy to make them happy. This is making things worse. Hunter can't even make himself feel calmer after Flapjack's death, yet now he'll feel guilty because his own sadness and grief makes Willow feel sad! Also, when Hunter calls out, she keeps walking and ignoring him. 

In conclusion, Willow and Hunter are better off as friends. They don't have any romantic chemistry or deep understanding. The ship is so forced and rushed.

#toh #toh critical #ship hate #anti huntlow

[the-owl-house-takes]

I am sapphic and I genuinely cannot stand Lumity. I'm happy for the Bi and Lesbian rep. But they were so terribly written it literally makes me cringe watching season one. Luz is committed to being this girls friend even after seeing her bully and torment a girl who was just kind to her. This same girl looks down on her. Then all of a sudden over one episode you see her change her mind. They are not well written, their whole 'chemistry' is placed soley on one sided blushing. They have literally only one thing in common and everyone goes nuts saying its enemies to lovers and its NOT. They were BARELY enemies and its resolved in like two episodes before Amity is crushing. And then as soon as they're together Amity's entire personality is 'Luz's girlfriend' and thats IT. Even in the finale Amity is not dressed how Amity would dress- she's dressed so she looks good next to Luz.

They suck. I hate that this is the first official rep we get for a Bi and a Lesbian character, and I hate how this fandom is full of babies who have no object permanence when it comes to shipping to the point of crying under ship posts with other characters and cringily rping about their poor beloved Lumity being erased because someone drew Luz smooching Willow or Hunter or Edric or Emira or Amity macking on Willow or Boscha. I hope every time an immature, spoiled Lumity fan sees a different ship in a piece of art they cry. Get over your weird attachment to these paper dolls and make your own content instead of harassing other fans.

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#the owl house #toh #ship hate #toh critical #fandom takes #long post