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thasmin13 · 2 years
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Jodie Whittaker in the power of the Doctor 2022...
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saritaurez · 2 years
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The Doctor Who fandom trying to figure out how their main character is going to die every three seasons feels a lot like the whiteboard scene in Cabin in the Woods
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sessa23 · 2 years
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Guys, I have a theory regarding Dan, I think that Dan is working for the master/at least under the master's control and i'll explain why.
1. When Dan goes into the TARDIS he says "I had a mate who had one of these,I think his was a bit bigger." Dan goes into the TARDIS for the first time and when he's told that it's called a TARDIS he says the line as above. (Yes he may also know a different version of the doctor as well)
2: Dan encouraged both the Doctor and Yaz to tell each other how they feel about each other and watched on when the looked at each other in "Eve of the Daleks" now the look that he had could also be considered as maybe a little sinister/ that their plan was working and that he had found a weakness of the doctor's, Yaz.
3: In a promo image we see for "The Power of The Doctor" we see Dan in the orange space suit with 13's sonic screwdriver and he has a bullet hole in the space suit helmet. Who do we see aiming a gun someone in the teaser? Yaz and she looks shocked at the person in front of her, prehaps Dan has betrayed them?
4: When Karvanista goes to take Dan, he attempts to mind control (Jedi mind trick) Dan into going with him without resisting but it doesn't work on Dan, so Karvanista tries again but it doesn't work. Why would the mind control not work unless said person is already under the control of someone else. After all if you're going to mind control someone, wouldn't you make sure that no other mind control works on said person.
That is just one of my Theories about "The Power of The Doctor" (I'll probably be wrong but hey I love sharing my Theories)
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popsicle-stick · 1 year
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People who say "I wish Jack Seward was the same except he wasn't running a lunatic asylum and being a problematic psychiatrist :/" you don't want Jack you want a The Big Bang Theory character.
i think, for me, he's just utterly, painfully human. i've said the same about jonathan before, but if you're not taking the whole of the character, malpractice and all, what IS the point lol.
the internal war that jack seems to be constantly fighting feels like a shadow of the myriad self-arguments that stoker seems to be making within the novel dracula itself. which is interesting! and implies that, along with multiple other characters, that a fair amount of stoker himself went into him - and really uh. recontextualises some of his relationships with the other characters.
like i DO emphathise deeply with his reclusive, obsessive nature, love him for his loyalty to his friends and genuinely selfless actions, and yet the deeply uncomfortable parts of his character - the parts that stem from the obsession and reclusion and self-dislike - are just as as integral to him, and make him a far more interesting character to pull apart. his selflessness is real! yet the other side of it - the separation of self, the self loathing, his self destructive habits - tie deeply in with this. the fact that they manifest how they do - in his use of renfield, a powerless individual obstensibly miles below him in the asylum's social ladder, as some kind of unwilling sounding board for his own mental illness illustrates the mundane nature of evil that lurks, whether stoker intended or not, at the edges of the book. not only does he not recognise the humanity of those in his power - he often refuses to recognise his own. his examination of renfield comes across as a kind of self-examination, in which renfield himself is purely the neglected victim in the fallout. he keeps trying, but his attempts to divorce himself from his own humanity - the good and the uglier side - belie just how agonisingly human he is.
tl;dr: he contains multitudes
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raspberry-gloaming · 1 month
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I very much doubt there's much chance of this, but is there anyone out there who is a fan of both Doctor Who (and especially/possibly the Gallifrey audios) and the Nevermoor series? As I have many au thoughts but no-one to share/discuss them with.
(if you are please message me)
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positivelycarey · 1 year
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Some narrative reasons for the regeneration into Tenteen (my new favorite name for him).
Thasmin reason:
Feeling so much love for Yaz, and relieved that Yaz didn’t have a gruesome end like some of the last few companions, and happy that Yaz will be able to continue with a normal life, but ultimately feeling so sad to let her go— all of this dredged up old feelings about the time Ten had with Rose, and how that ended similarly and — Oops! Old teeth!
Much more complicated Thoschei reason:
3 out of the last 4 times the Doctor has regenerated, the Master has been involved in some way.
End of Time: After a couple of years of some rocky back-and-forth, and the year that never was, and the Masterface!takeover and all that, The Tenth Doctor and the Simm!Master had the “get out of the way” moment of reconciliation against Rassilon. Then Ten died as a result of something else — not by the Master’s hand.
Eleven never knowingly met the Master which is a right shame really
The Doctor Falls: Twelve spent decades teaching Missy how to be good, which ended with Simm!Master and Missy teaming up, but then a semi-similar moment of reconciliation between Missy and Twelve right? Like she still betrayed him but she felt bad about it or something? I don’t remember super well. Anyway, shortly before Twelve died in the next episode, he was able to have a moment of hope for his old friend.
But Dhawan!Master didn’t give Thirteen any of that hope. He was just being angry and hateful. And this time, he DID directly cause the Doctor’s death. Now all those years with Missy seem to amount for nothing. The Doctor is once again grieving the loss of that friendship. How disappointing that they couldn’t team up to defeat a greater evil like they have before and — Oops! Old teeth!
Or maybe it’s just— “You know what? I don’t want to go, but that’s okay. I’ve matured since the last time I said that, and I’m handling this much better than I did back then aren’t I — Oops! Old teeth!”
Anyway I think the Doctor’s mind wandered to Ten at the last second, and now we have Old Teeth.
Thoughts?
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cosmicallyavg · 1 year
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no bc thirteen dying happily knowing she is loved. knowing she is loved after yaz saved her life with the power of the doctor - which is love btw - paralleled with river song’s “i can't let you die without knowing you are loved. by so many, and so much. and by no one more than me”
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nightmanatee · 2 years
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no but the fact that they've filmed the last day in chronological order so it's yaz&the doctor in the tardis and then the doctor regenerating AND 12's regen monologue took around 5 mins AND his last scenes were with bill nardole and CLARA and then his regen makes me believe that the not-shown scenes are thasmin and the regen one which is scary like mom pick me up im scared
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nadia-zahra · 2 years
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A Curiosity Voyage into Will Byers and St5 Plot
He opened his eyes, and further words died in his throat. He forgot about the need to sick up that horrible parody of wine. He forgot about his mother, and Uncle Morgan, and his father, and almost everything else. Speedy was gone. The graceful arcs of the roller coaster against the sky were gone. He could feel the hair stirring on his neck, could feel a goofed-up grin pulling at the corners of his mouth. "Speedy! I'm here, my God! I'm here in the Territories!"
This is the excerpt Lucas read to Max from The Talisman in the season 4 finale. Whenever you first watch the scene, it seems like its a parallel to lumax's situation-- it sounds like whoever is narrating is dying and is with a friend as they pass. The phrase "sick up that horrible parody of wine" usually correlates to choking on blood, and them not seeing their loved ones anymore sounds like their memory is fading away with their life. And this little snippet with no context does parallel lumax...however something sticks out like a sore thumb.
He could feel the hair stirring on his neck
Byler senses are tingling, and something told me this was about Will because this is characteristic of Will NOT MAX. The duffers could've easily left out the second part of this excerpt because tbh it doesn't make any sense within the lumax parallel, but they chose to keep it even though they EDITED it. This is the original excerpt:
He opened his eyes, and further words died in his throat. He forgot about the need to sick up that horrible parody of wine. He forgot about his mother, and Uncle Morgan, and his father, and almost everything else. Speedy was gone. The graceful arcs of the roller coaster against the sky were gone. Boardwalk Avenue was gone. He was someplace else now. He was-- "in the Territories" Jack whispered, his entire body crawling with a mad mixture of terror and exhilaration. He could feel the hair stirring on the nape of his neck, could feel a goofed-up grin pulling at the corners of his mouth. "Speedy, I'm here, my God, I'm here in the Territories! I--" But wonder overcame him. He clapped a hand over his mouth and slowly turned in a complete circle, looking at this place to which Speedy's "magic juice" had brought him.
This clearly isn't about someone dying when looking at the whole text. This is actually about a boy named Jack going into an alternate dimension with help from his friend Speedy's "magic juice". And if my hunch is correct, then Will is going to get help from El to learn he has powers and strengthen them in order to save Mike from Vecna's curse.
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For the people who know literally nothing about Talisman it's okay! Here's what you need to know:
Jack Sawyer is on a mission to save his dying mother by giving her a magical healing orb called the Talisman. Speedy is Jack's friend that helps him flip between dimensions. Jack's enemy is Uncle Morgan, and throughout the story, Uncle Morgan is trying to kill him. The story has an alternate dimension called the Territories; here, there are werewolves (soldiers of the Territories) and twinners (parallels of the people from the real world), and Jack's mother's twinner is the queen of the Territories.
Now cue the parallels!
The Territories & The Upside Down
The Territories and the Upside Down are both alternate dimensions that have to be traveled to with magic (The Territories you flip, UD you use your mind or a gate) Both have branches/vines that strangle people if touched and have monsters who will kill on sight. Both of these worlds were safe before our villains took control of them. The Territories was this cute lil world filled with nice people before Morgan took over and got the werewolves on his side. The Upside Down wasn't inherently bad either until Vecna took over and created the evil Hivemind (more so talking about his control over the Demodogs, but he did also morph the gas thing into the Mindflayer). Idk if this is a parallel, but it's really odd how these places have polar opposite air qualities. The Territories air is described as the freshest and cleanest air Jack had ever breathed. The Upside Down's air is so poisonous and radioactive that scientists use hazmat suits when even near a gate.
Arcadia & Hawkins
This one's pretty straightforward: both are small, creepy towns in the middle of nowhere up in the Northeast of the U.S.A, both have an heir of death to them (Jack says he can literally feel death when he first arrives in Arcadia and Hawkins becomes known as cursed/haunted), and in both stories, our heroes travel from California to this setting so they can begin their epic journeys.
Werewolves & Demogorgons
Both are controlled by their big bads, even though they aren't inherently evil. Jack meets a friendly werewolf named Wolf who tells him Morgan is why werewolves are considered dangerous since most sided with him, and we see the Demogorgons peacefully living their lives (like wild animals do) before Vecna takes over their minds and makes them killing machines. Also, both of them have defining characteristics that tell people when they're near; the Demogorgons have weird clicking noises and werewolves have bright yellow eyes.
Uncle Morgan & Vecna
Uncle Morgan is the main villain of the Talisman. His goal is to take full control and power in the alternate dimension called the Territories and all wealth imaginable by taking over Phil's company. He's already killed Uncle Tommy (Jack's other uncle) and Phil died, so the only thing stopping him is Jack because he's the heir to Phil's portion of the company. In relation to the Territories, he's already almost in complete control, but Jack is stopping him from taking full control because Jack's quest to save his dying mother from cancer will also heal the near-dead Queen of the Territories. All Morgan has to do is kill Jack to become unstoppable; however, Lily (Jack's mom) is adamant against Morgan getting his hands on Jack's ownership of the company and made sure Morgan couldn't find her and Jack by secretly moving. Morgan's plans are now to kill both Lily in the real world, and to have his second-in-power called White Coat (yeah isn't that a cute lil parallel to One only wearing white) and his men kill Jack in the territories.
Do I even need to say why this is a parallel? Literally just replace the names and botta-bing-botta-boom it's Vecna trying to kill/possess Will in order to gain his powers so that he can have all power imaginable and full control over Hawkins and the Upside Down but has to curse Mike first because Mike is always the one to ruin Vecna's Will plans.
Phil & Papa
Phil as a character is more known through his friendship with Morgan, not as Jack's father figure. With that said, Phil is the one to originally show Morgan the Territories...just like Papa was the first one to show Vecna how to control and strengthen his powers in the Lab. Papa and Phil are viewed the exact same way by Vecna and Morgan; both our villains feel like they were underestimated and were being used/controlled, feeding into their anger and hatred of the world.
"Phil Sawyer had underestimated him [from the time of their first meeting], and that still rankled. Because Phil had thought of him as a sort of rained rattlesnake to be let out of his cage only under controlled circumstances, so had others" (pg 83 & 84)
Uncle Tommy & Max
I already said earlier, but Uncle Tommy got killed by Morgan. Not saying Max is dead, but we do have to acknowledge that she died, came back, and is now in a deep coma that may or may not be permanent. But the more interesting parallel besides dancing with death is how their tangos happen. Both Max and Tommy are specifically targeted and had their secrets used against their lives. *Warning: homophobia* Morgan used Tommy's homosexuality as a reason why he should be dead (because Stephen King loves making queerness shameful). Vecna used Max's guilt of being happy Billy's dead as a reason why she should be dead. Oh, and both of these people were stepping-stones in the villains' plans. Tommy was a lawyer who was to be made executor of Phil's half of the business and legal guardian of Jack; killing Tommy was Morgan's first step to taking over the business and getting to Jack. Max was one of the four people Vecna used to open the gates and her death is why the Byers came back to Hawkins. Did I mention how both Max and Uncle Tommy were attacked while their respective heroes lived across the country?
Lily & Mike
Both Mike and Lily travel from California back to Hawkins/Arcadia. Mike is obviously from Hawkins, and Lily says she lived in Arcadia for three weeks before moving to California (either way both of them are going back to these places).
Both Mike's and Lily's love for Will/Jack causes them to protect them no matter what (Lily loves Jack maternally, Mike loves Will romantically). Lily literally tells Morgan over the phone that she doesn't want him to "take care of" Jack because she knows he "took care of" Uncle Tommy and made sure Morgan didn't know where they were moving to. Mike was on the same crazy levels as Joyce in st1 and st2 when it came to Will-- he let a random girl stay with him because she said she could help find Will with no proof and stayed with him all throughout st2 despite his possession.
Both of them are hinted at dying before it's revealed what's causing them to die. Lily is described as sickly and is a chain-smoker who smokes cigarettes nicknamed Black Lungers (as a person who smokes cigarettes, I have been calling mine this lmao). Throughout the entirety of Stranger Things, Mike's death has been joked about even though he's never had a near-death experience and in Nancy's vision she saw him die; parallels are paralleling, and Mike getting cursed in st5 would slowly kill him since that's what Vecna's curse does.
Lily is characterized as a person who runs away from their problems; she runs away from her cancer by not dealing with it and acting like it doesn't exist. Mike's playlist is filled to the rim with songs about running away even though he's never run away before, and st4 has a theme of "if you run you die"... if the parallels are correct then Mike is going to try and either run away from his feelings behind Will's painting or will literally run away from whoever tells him the truth about the painting.
Both of them also get in the way of the big bads' plans. Lily refuses to give Morgan Jack's share of the company and moves across the country to ensure Morgan doesn't find and kill them, and Morgan has to wait for her twinner, the dying queen of he Territories, to die as well in order to take over that world. Mike is always the reason why Vecna's plans are always ruined: s1 he treats El kindly leading her to help save Will, s2 he figures out the Mindflayer can use Will as a spy just like Will can to it, s3 he creates the plan to see if Billy is possessed (if he hadn't done that then they wouldn't have known Billy was possessed by Vecna), and s4 is the one time Mike leaves Hawkins and gives Vecna the chance to do his evil plan without any disruptions.
Also, Lily never told Jack that she was dying, he figures it out from overhearing her and Morgan's conversation and this leads to him going on his journey to save her. If the parallels aren't just coincidences, then that means Mike isn't going to tell Will he's been cursed and when Will figures it out, he's going to start his mission through the Upside Down.
Speedy & El
Even though Speedy and Morgan can both flip into the Territories, Speedy is described as his complete opposite: Speedy is the greatest good while Morgan is the greatest evil. El is the same, even though she does have great power like Vecna she is his complete opposite.
(this is the parallel that made me post that pic of El's shocked face edited over Mike) Both Speedy and El had met Jack/Will prior to officially knowing each other. Speedy reveals to Jack that years prior to meeting in Arcadia he met Jack, Phil, and Morgan. El obviously met Brenner and One before meeting Will, but how could she have met him before st2? Well, there is a theory that Will was secretly a lab kid, but I'm going the cannon route since in st1 El did talk to a sleeping Will at Castle Buyers in the UD and she knew who he was even before that since she pointed him out in Mike's picture.
If in St5 it is revealed that Will has powers, then she would be the one to teach him how to use and strengthen them. Speedy gives Jack really disgusting (like gag-worthy) wine called “magic juice” that allows him to flip between the two worlds easier, and he got this magic juice in California... El is going to help Will regain and strengthen his powers in st5 since she regained hers while also in California too!!
However, even though Speedy is a good guy he isn’t the hero of this story Jack is, and Jack parallels Will. Speedy tells Jack that he's already fought Morgan before, but if Jack wants to save his mother and the Territories then he's going to have to do it. El knows she can't be the one to defeat Vecna and it has to be Will which is why she helps him regain and strengthen his powers!
Jack & Will
Honestly, there's only one piece of super solid textual/cannon proof that Will parallels Jack, but it's so solid that it lets us know these two obviously parallel each other. Before Jack begins his journey to save his mother, he has "daydreams" and "nightmares" that he believes is just him going crazy when it's really him unknowingly flipping into the Territories...before Will goes on his journey in st5, Will was unknowingly traveling into the Upside Down and believed he was going crazy in st2!!
Even though this was happening to Will because of his connection to Vecna, I 100% believe Will has been hinted at having non-Vecna-related powers prior. His ability to communicate to Joyce through the lights and open up a gate in his house's wall was way before he gets the Vecna connection; not to mention we know people can just have powers without it coming from the lab thanks to Henry's backstory. Here are links one, two, and three of other creators' theories surrounding his powers (I'm too lazy to reiterate what these people have already proven). The only thing I'm going to personally speculate is that El is going to go into Will's mind and make him remember his powers and will teach Will how to also go into people's minds and restrengthen what he was already born with.
You would think El would parallel Jack since she has powers, but she has never had the experience of unknowingly being in an alternate dimension like Jack and Will have (not to mention Will can still get powers in st5). Also, El doesn't parallel Jack because in the D&D game foreshadowing st5 Twenty kills Vecna not Eleven, and the only time throughout the entire show we're shown a twenty be related to characters was when Mike and Will had size ten shoes in the same shot.
The only info we have on st5's plot is that Will is going to be the main character and that the original pairings from st1 are making a comeback. Do you know who Will was paired with in season 1?? LITERALLY NO ONE!! He was trapped in the Upside Down by himself while El, Mike, Lucas, and Dustin were together! Put two and two together people! Jack went on this journey to save his mother through the Territories by himself, and Will's plot is going to be him on a mission through the Upside Down by himself to save Mike from Vecna!!!
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Y'all might be thinking, "Do you really believe Will's st5 arc parallels the Talisman just because Lucas reads an excerpt from that book and the excerpt has a Will parallel?" And to that I say a big fat YES.
EVERY SINGLE reference the Stranger Things writers and creators make, as in have the characters discuss or acknowledge it exists, parallels the show's story.
These are ones that were off the top of my head:
s1's hopper arc parallels Jaws (Will has a gigantic Jaws poster in st4 and shark props are shown throughout the series)
st1's mike arc parallels Star Wars (Mike shows El his Yoda figurine and he becomes her mentor for that season if that's not obvious)
s2's will plot parallels Ghostbusters (the party literally dresses up as the ghostbusters)
s3's villain plot parallels Day of the Dead (the movie lumax and byler go see)
s3's villain plot parallels The Never Ending Story (duzie sings the Never Ending story song)
st4 Hawkin's plot parallels Nightmare on Elm Street (a Freddy Kruger cut out hovers over Max when we see her and Dustin at the movie rental).
st4 m*leven plot parallels Doctor Zhivago (Robin literally says it's a movie about doomed love)
THE DUFFERS DID NOT WRITE LUCAS LITERALLY READING AN EXCERPT FROM THE TALISMAN ABOUT A BOY USING MAGIC POWERS TO TRAVEL TO AN ALTERNATE DIMENSION JUST TO PROMOTE THEIR NEW SHOW OR TO ATTEMPT A LUMAX PARALLEL!!!!!
So, since the Talisman was the very last reference in st4, why doesn't it parallel that season? The Talisman as a parallel to st4 doesn't work because El loses against Vecna, but Jack wins against Morgan. And since st4's last reference doesn't fit with its plot and the finale left us off at a cliffhanger...it means the excerpt is a hint to the st5 plot paralleling the Talisman baby!!!!
Oh, and I said in an ominous post that I may have found out why the duffers chose to name the show Stranger Things and not something UD or Hawkins-related. Well, the Talisman is apparently one of their favorite stories, and we all know they love references. Throughout the book, the people who are just visiting a world (whether it be a twinner going into the normal world or Jack going into the Territories) they are called Strangers (capital S- included). Stranger Things is literally about people traveling to an alternate dimension-- a dimension they are Strangers to. I wouldn't be surprised if they called the show Stranger Things because this is about freaky things happening to strangers of the Upside Down simply to pay homage to the Talisman.
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thasmin13 · 2 years
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The only reason The Doctor gives Dan a 9.9 on his landing better be because she already used the 10 when commenting Yaz on her landing.
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YET ANOTHER UNHINGED POWER OF THE DOCTOR THEORY INCOMING!!!
in Spyfall, we saw that the Master shrunk the real O, and took on his identity
from DWM, we've seen that the Master has shrunk someone again, potentially (but not definitely) Yaz based on the clothing
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so, what if, rather than the 'Yaz is a sleeper agent' theory (which I LOVE btw), the Master, potentially knowing what's going on between Yaz and 13, has shrunk Yaz in order to impersonate her?
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could this be the Master? after all, Sacha did say in this episode he is 'the Master of diguise'...
in other words, COULD WE ACTUALLY BE GETTING GILL!MASTER ???????
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saritaurez · 2 years
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So I have a theory.
Neil Patrick Harris is playing some sort of trickster character in the anniversary right?
What if he used his powers or whatever to change 13 into 10 right when she was about to change into Ncuti, (which would explain why the clothes changed as well as the body. It’s not a regen it’s an illusion)
The Doctor really *is* 14 as we thought he would be (Ncuti) but is currently taking the form of 10 as this illusion for the anniversary, which would also explain 14’s “what the hell” line. Maybe there’s some sort of back and forth on the illusion working or not.
I mean. I still can’t think of a why other than to just mess with the Doc, but hey. That’s my theory.
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sessa23 · 2 years
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Yep....that's sus
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how-masterful · 1 year
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Not sure if this has been said before, and it's been a while since I watched the episode, but do we think the warring planets The Master takes Yaz to visit are the same ones from Can You Hear Me?
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“Guardians of the Edge”
Want to do a breakdown of the episode at some point, but this whole thing deserved its own post (heh...). So, what’s the deal with the ‘Edge’?
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The telephone pole is interesting, but at first glance doesn’t seem to mean much other than a bit of abstract imagery to do with networks, as in the brain and memory centers.
I count 15 conductors (I’m sure there’s a proper name, but no idea what) on the post, with varing numbers of wires coming off them. Possible this might have something to do with regenerations, as since Hartnell there have been 15 regenerations at this point (including War, Metacrisis-Ten and Dhawan)? I thought the placement could possibly have something to do with the cycles (so 12 together, 3 separate) but that doesn’t seem to match up. Alternatively, excluding Dwawan it could represent 15 Doctor incarnations (including One as well as War and Metacrisis-Ten again.
Wires are much harder to count. I’m not even sure if it’s consistent between shots, as my counts have ranged from 26-34, though there’s also a lot of bloom in the sky and some are very close together, so it may be consistent after all. The number of connections seems to vary. If there were only one or two one-link conductors I would have assumed something to do with the before and after of each regeneration, with those potentially being Thirteen and the Meta-Crisis offshoot, with another with three maybe being Ten′s life, but that doesn’t seem to work.
Alternatively, maybe numbers of TV companions? (I haven’t checked if that could be accurate, but if anyone wants to test it feel free to run with it.)
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As for the location, red dirt and rocks with an yellow-orange-blue sky immediately brings Gallifrey to mind. Of course it doesn’t need to be anywhere in particular, as the whole thing is a metaphor, but the dry terrain and surrounding mountains looks a lot like the Prydonian Drylands, which has of course been an important location for the Doctor. If it’s evening and the Suns are in the east (which they are for Gallifrey), then the mountains seen are probably part of the long range leading down from Prydonia and the Capitol to Southern Gallifrey proper.
There’s a few squarish structures that almost look like sunken buildings, but also could well just be rocks, it’s too hard to tell.
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Notably, the ‘Edge’ not only seems to appear out of nowhere but also seems to move around slightly in distance from the post, suggesting perhaps that if this is based on a real location that it’s not a true part of it.
Personally, I think it’s appearance is likely strongly related to...
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And yes, this works extremely well if you interpret the boy in the Timeless Child story as a previous (re)incarnation of the Master. Even if not literally true, the symbolism of the childhood friend pushing the other off a cliff in a jealous fight certainly works wonders.
I think the rest of the location is different however, since the rest of it looks like part of the Drylands, whereas the Timeless Child’s fall was almost certainly much closer to Mount Cadon, pretty much halfway between Mount Lung and the Academy (which I got during my Gallifrey map project, based on elements like the kids playing, the direction Tecteun approached, the Suns’ positions, surroundings etc.).
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Fun fact, getting the above picture from Ascension of the Cybermen, I also noticed that some telephone / powerlines are also visible in Brendan’s story - apart for some fencing it’s the only sign of civilisation at the clifftop. 100% coincidental, but it’s fun annecdotal evidence for the Timeless Child backstory being the reason for the Edge subconsciously looks the way it does.
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Little detail I didn’t notice originally watching, but I love - Eight isn’t the only one who diverged from the robes. Small continuity error I think in that he’s wearing it on his ring finger rather than middle finger, but I love the signet ring here
There’s also a little An Adventure in Space and Time music cue here, which was also used in The Doctor Falls / Twice Upon a Time.
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The patterns on the robes don’t seem to be anything. Maybe some “daisy-est daisy“ / “blossomy-est blossom” symbolism with some of the flower-like patterns on One and Seven’s inner robes? One also does appear to have a pattern based on the Seal of Rassilon on his sleeves. Five has a recurring pattern that could almost be a sort of High Gallifreyan, while Six has what weirdly looks like a “3″ fabric pattern flipping backwards and forwards on his inner robes.
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The red robes actually remind me a bit of the Merlin!Doctor - “Muldwych”? Colin in particular has an interesting resemblance with the pure-red robes and his larger frame.
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Eight my beloved
As for why these specific incarnations? Beyond Doylist reasons of Tom being busy, actor deaths and New Who actors possibly being saved for next year, or at least being harder to get in (though in some ways I’m surprised David wasn’t used for a bit of foreshadowing)?
My person interpretation is that the similarity with Zagreus is quite deliberate. It was ultimately Five, Six and Seven who appeared to help Eight with his body being hijacked, so in a ‘life flashes before your eyes’ scenario, it’s not surprising that the Doctor’s subconscious imagining those personalities to help.
Hell, Eight even appears in his own outfit, as if he was the Doctor experiencing these events, because he has before! While it’s of course his looser Time War / Night of the Doctor outfit, it’s not hard to imagine the anti-time infected Eight of the audio in his worn out and damaged original outfit looking quite similar.
Presuambly this is the same place, at least metaphysically, that Eight met Five, Six and Seven. Like with Thirteen, they greeted and congratulated him, though in their case the mood turns sour as they realise Eight lost determination and thus the regeneration process stalled (which I always thought Night of the Doctor paralleled pretty nicely, with Eight essentially commiting suicide and failing to regenerate from Cass’s ship crash).
This might make the pole a visualisation of the Doctor’s Medulla Oblongata, which the past Doctors mention in Zagreus, though there it seems to appear as a constellation in the sky.
EIGHT: So what happens now? FIVE: Oh, you'll regenerate. You'll see this blaze of light, a comet across the medulla oblongata. SEVEN: A new star. SIX: Any second now.
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As for One. Of course he’s a bit of a special rule as the ‘first’ kind of, but given he was the one that helped Twelve with his regeneration it’s not surprising he reappears here. His appearance could almost be considered a sequel, given that Twice Upon a Time featured his struggle with his own upcoming regeneration and now we get to catch up on him on the other side, with his sub-personality getting to speak with Thirteen, the result of Twelve’s regeneration, after going the ‘long way round’.
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Finally on a meta-level, there is something interesting with the ‘ruining it for the next one’ line. It may be nothing... but could be considered a bit of a dig at Ten, not just with what’s happening with the 60th, but even the whole “I don’t want to go” thing, which I always considered a really rough way to hand over the show to Moffat and Matt after an extremely popular Doctor/era.
(And that’s not even mentioning the Metacrisis, the in-universe most extreme version of this, which Eleven also joked about with the “vanity issues” comment back in Time of the Doctor, and one could almost theorise left an erased incarnation somewhere between the Doctor’s “twelfth and final incarnations”...).
Granted, you could make the same criticism for Twelve’s regeneration reluctance going into Thirteen, though I’d argue that was handled way more tastefully (plus Twice Upon a Time‘s story arguably only exists because of Chibnall’s plans for releasing Series 11 anyway).
Personally, I see three options:
It’s nothing, purely a bit of heartwarming in-universe wording about handing over between incarnations (perhaps even lightly acknowledging the Six-Seven-Valeyard thing in the VNAs, given it’s Six who says it?).
It’s Chibnall having a dig at RTD (or possibly the BBC, if there was some upper-level pressure for Tennant’s return, as rumoured by tabloids for years) for the reasons above.
Best case scenario, IMHO? It is a bit of a dig at Ten, but it’s a deliberate in-universe setup for RTD to tell the story of whatever’s happening with Ten and Fourteen (yeah I don’t like calling Ncuti Fifteen either) which will confront it, in the same way this whole segment and the ‘degeneration’ process sets it up.
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