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boyfridged · 1 year

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i’ve been thinking a lot about what is so unique and appealing about 80s robin jay’s moral standing that got completely lost in plot later on. and i think a huge part of it is that in a genre so focused on crime-fighting, his motivations and approach don’t focus on the category of crime at all. in fact, he doesn’t seem to believe in any moral dogma; and it’s not motivated by nihilism, but rather his open-heartedness and relational ethical outlook.

we first meet (post-crisis) jay when he is stealing. when confronted about his actions by bruce he’s confident that he didn’t do anything wrong – he’s not apologetic, he doesn’t seem to think that he has morally failed on any account. later on, when confronted by batman again, jay says that he’s no “crook.” at this point, the reader might assume that jay has no concept of wrong-doing, or that stealing is just not one of the deeds that he considers wrong-doing. yet, later on we see jay so intent on stopping ma gunn and her students, refusing to be implicit in their actions. there are, of course, lots of reasons for which we can assume he was against stealing in this specific instance (an authority figure being involved, the target, the motivations, the school itself being an abusive environment etc.), but what we gather is that jay has an extremely strong sense of justice and is committed to moral duty. that's all typical for characters in superhero comics, isn't it? however, what remains distinctive is that this moral duty is not dictated by any dogma – he trusts his moral instincts. this attitude – his distrust toward power structures, confidence in his moral compass, and situational approach, is something that is maintained throughout his robin run. it is also evident in how he evaluates other people – we never see him condemning his parents, for example, and that includes willis, who was a petty criminal. i think from there arises the potential for a rift between bruce and jay that could be, have jay lived, far more utilised in batman comics than it was within his short robin run.

after all, while bruce’s approach is often called a ‘philosophy of love and care,’ he doesn’t ascribe to the ethics of care [eoc] (as defined in modern scholarship btw) in the same way that jay does. ethics of care ‘deny that morality consists in obedience to a universal law’ and focus on the ideals of caring for other people and non-institutionalized justice. bruce, while obviously caring, is still bound by his belief in the legal system and deontological norms. he is benevolent, but he is also ultimately morally committed to the idea of a legal system and thus frames criminals as failing to meet these moral (legal-adjacent) standards (even when he recognizes it is a result of their circumstances). in other words, he might think that a criminal is a good person despite leading a life of crime. meanwhile, for jay there is no despite; jay doesn't think that engaging in crime says anything about a person's moral personality at all. morality, for him, is more of an emotional practice, grounded in empathy and the question of what he can do for people ‘here and now.’ he doesn’t ascribe to maxims nor utilitarian calculations. for jay, in morality, there’s no place for impartiality that bruce believes in; moral decisions are embedded within a net of interpersonal relationships and social structures that cannot be generalised like the law or even a “moral code” does it. it’s all about responsiveness.

to sum up, jay's moral compass is relative and passionate in a way that doesn't fit batman's philosophy. this is mostly because bruce wants to avoid the sort of arbitrariness that seems to guide eoc. also, both for vigilantism, and jay, eoc poses a challenge in the sense that it doesn't create a certain 'intellectualised' distance from both the victims and the perpetrators; there's no proximity in the judgment; it's emotional.

all of this is of course hardly relevant post-2004. there might be minimal space for accommodating some of it within the canon progression (for example, the fact that eoc typically emphasises the responsibility that comes with pre-existing familial relationships and allows for prioritizing them, as well as the flexibility regarding moral deliberations), but the utilitarian framework and the question of stopping the crime vs controlling the underworld is not something that can be easily reconciled with jay’s previous lack of interest in labeling crime.

#fyi i'm ignoring a single panel in which jay says 'evil wins. he chose the life of crime' because i think there's much more nuance to that #as in: choosing a life of crime to deliberately cause harm is a whole another matter #also: inb4 this post is not bruce slander. please do not read it as such #as i said eoc is highly criticised for being arbitrary which is something that bruce seeks to avoid #also ethics of care are highly controversial esp that their early iterations are gender essentialist and ascribe this attitude to women #wow look at me accidentally girl-coding jay #but also on the topic of post-res jay.#it's typically assumed that ethics of care take a family model and extend it into morality as a whole #'the ethics of care considers the family as the primary sphere in which to understand ethical behavior'#so #an over-simplification: you are allowed to care for your family over everything else #re: jay's lack of understanding of bruce's conflict in duty as batman vs father #for jay there's no dilemma. how you conduct yourself in the familial context determines who you are as a person #also if you are interested in eoc feel free to ask because googling will only confuse you...#as a term it's used in many weird ways. but i'm thinking about a general line of thought that evolves into slote's philosophy #look at me giving in and bringing philosophy into comics. sorry. i tried to simplify it as much as possible #i didn't even say anything on criminology and the label and the strain theories.#i'm so brave for not info-dumping #i said even though i just info-dumped #jay.zip #jay.txt #dc #fatal flaw #core texts #robin days

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thinkin-bout-milgram · 1 year

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Triage: Initial Thoughts

Hello! Venus back at it again with the 4-5 AM theory time! This time we’re looking at Shidou’s second MV, Triage!

I’m going to be going through my various thoughts on everything as usual, going point by point to analyze each thing. I’ll be referencing Triage, his first MV Throwdown, and the always-fast audio drama translation by @onigiriico!

Alright, let’s do this!

Shidou’s kids died immediately, but his wife had a chance to live.

I’m basically just going to give a quick play by play of what I think happened in the video.

Surprise, Shidou has kids! And a wife, but we figured that already. They’re all very cute and all until they fade out like ghosts pretty early on. Before that happens, though, I think that, chronologically, the opening sequence of Shidou walking with some groceries happens first.

He’s just going about his day, walking around, having a great time. He’s intending to take stuff back to his family and cook dinner or whatever he usually does that we see in the cute scenes.

Then, though, he gets a phone call. He answers it (this is the untranslated “Kirisaki desu” part; please let us know if you find a full translation of what he says on the call there!) and we move on to the next scene. However, later, at 1:57, we hear the line die. I think that this is probably Shidou getting a phone call from the hospital. He sounds casual in his initial response because he probably assumes it’s work related, but once he hears what happened, he drops the line and immediately heads over.

I think Shidou’s kids must have died immediately because of Throwdown. Throwdown has absolutely no references to his kids (though he does mention liking children and stuff like that in his first audio drama, which now kinda stings) and, were he also trying to save them, I’m sure there would’ve been at least some references.

I think it’s far more likely that, whatever happened, both his kids died immediately, but his wife was in a condition where he could still try to save her. That’s when Throwdown occurs. Shidou probably focused intensely on trying to save his wife as a way to cope with the death of his children. Then, after his wife officially died, it really hit him that he had nothing left, and he was forced to process it. That’s when he started feeling all the guilt and wishing for death.

This isn’t really relevant, but my best bet is a car crash. It seems like a likely and viable way that his kids could’ve died instantly while the wife could’ve kept living. As a minor note on that, he’s also walking back with groceries, which could indicate that someone else (the rest of his family) might’ve had a car. I don’t remember if Shidou mentions anything about driving or anything like that at any time, but if I had to call a method of death right now, that’s what I’d go for.

NOTE: I do want to disclaim this by saying it’s also possible that one of his kids was the flower person in Throwdown. He gives a receipt to one of his kids, so that could make some sense. I need to go back and compare the flower person in Throwdown with the people in Shidou’s family now that they have appearances. I also need to reread his first audio drama; he says something about it being fitting that Es is judging him, which could check out if his crime relates to trying to save his kid instead. If I am wrong and it was one of his kids that he was trying to save, then everything about what I’m saying still checks out; just swap everything I say about his wife with one of the kids.

Shidou purposefully showed us the least forgivable parts of his crime in Throwdown.

Looking back on it, Shidou painted himself in an awful light in Throwdown, and I’m sure it was intentional. After all, he was trying to get us to give him a guilty verdict. If you say that a prisoner like Muu might have been altering what part of her story we received in order to get her desired verdict in the first round (innocent), Shidou could absolutely do the same thing with a guilty verdict.

He doesn’t show us any of the context of his loved ones and how much he loved them; that was all stuff we had to read between the lines of. We see him butchering plant after plant only to end in horrific failure without ever seeing him succeed at anything surgical. (He still should’ve hypothetically been saving lives while doing all of this; it’s not like he was ONLY killing people.)

He even shows us the horrified reactions of the loved ones of patients he killed. I can only imagine that he would do that if he was trying to spark a negative reaction in us.

In contrast, this MV is very straightforwardly showing how the day he lost his family went for Shidou and directly examines what verdict Shidou wants (more on this later). I think, therefore, that this is probably a much more honest view of the situation than Throwdown, at least in terms of how Shidou perceives the truth.

Shidou is constantly plagued by the guilt of what happened.

The simplest way to explain this is with this image:

When showing Shidou’s family turning to ghosts, he views the man that he used to be as dying with them. Shidou, as he was, is dead. Still, what happened clearly still impacts him. That’s pretty obvious, but I’m talking down to the details. He mentions kids and liking them in both of his audio dramas. Further, take this lovely image:

Pancakes. Shidou made pancakes for his kids. In BOTH Minigrams 3 (Pancake) and 24 (Pancake: a Second Trial) Shidou is directly shown talking about pancakes and their relation to children. He really wants Amane, the young child, to try some. It seems like he used to make pancakes for his kids before they died. He’s very clearly not recovered in any sense. That’s not surprising, but it’s still something to point out.

Triage takes place almost entirely before and after Throwdown.

That sounds a little confusing, but all I mean is that Throwdown is completely isolated from this MV. Some parts of this MV happen before the events of Throwdown; those are the ones featuring Shidou’s wife and kids, as well as the ones where he simply looks younger. The other parts are clearly looking back at the same time frame, but are from Shidou’s present perspective, here in Milgram. Those are the ones where he reflects on his verdict or directly addresses what verdict he wants.

Most directly, I think the part at 2:14 indicates this. Shidou, looking back on the death he caused (knives in the pomegranates and other food, dead flowers, receipts from the surgeries that we also saw in Throwdown), says “I want to be INNOCENT / I want to live.” That’s him, in the Milgram prison, right now, coming to terms with the fact that he actually, genuinely wants to live right now.

In the audio drama, he’s clearly conflicted. He still says that he wants to die, that he wants to atone for his sins and that dying is the only way he can make it up to the people he killed. He also, though, says that, at least for right now, he wants to live. Futa and especially Mahiru are on death’s door, and there’s no telling what other injury might occur. He believes he’s essential to saving lives within the Milgram prison (and I think he’s 100% right).

He even directly references this in the song lyrics, talking about “extracting the fang.” The fang is clearly Kotoko, given that Milgram has referred to the damage Kotoko does with fang imagery before and given that that’s what he’s currently healing. He has to be the one to save them because he’s the only one who can; as a result, to save lives, he has to care about his life right now. While he’s still unsure of what final verdict he wants, he knows that he needs to stay alive, at least going into trial 3.

VOTE: INNOCENT

Personally, this one’s a no-brainer. Es theorizes in the audio drama that Shidou only harvested organs from braindead patients, and though he never outright confirms it, based on his responses, it seems to me like that’s true. That means his crime isn’t as severe as we initially thought it was.

Additionally, he’s right; he is indispensable to us right now. He outright says in the audio drama that if he stops giving Mahiru care, she’ll die, whether or not anything else happens to her. That basically tells us that voting Shidou guilty means Mahiru dies. That’s not good, and I’d rather avoid prisoner death when we think it’s possible.

I also just don’t think it’s smart to change verdicts on him here. If we decide that, after all is said and done, we can’t forgive Shidou, we should do that with the third verdict. Here, we want to leave both options open. Right now, Shidou is torn between wanting to live and wanting to die. If we switch to guilty, we’ll ruin any chance he has at recovering a will to live and a will to atone through any means other than death. If we want to preserve the option of forgiving him in the end, I think we have to forgive him here. We can debate whether his actions were forgivable or not in the last round.

#admin venus #milgram #ミルグラム #kirisaki shidou #shidou kirisaki #milgram theory #i'd like to apologize if this is incoherent #i moved around a bunch of paragraphs and i don't wanna proofread rn #i have to pack and go home for spring break tomorrow and it's already 5 am #the lights only just came back on recently #it's been a power out for a while over here which is why the other admins were talking about battery so much #also the mv didn't have english subs right at the drop so we watched in french for a hot minute #that was fun #also apologies if i'm too much of a shidou apologist but legit i feel like his crime is at least extremely understandable #and he does genuinely seem to want to help #the audio drama made me emo though ngl #like... oh... THAT'S why you were commenting on Es being a kid and all that so much...#i lost my train of thought. anyways have your initial thoughts #i'm gonna try to get the futa/mu/shidou full theories up over the next week or so cause break

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4dmc · 4 months

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https://www.eurogamer.net/how-the-sex-pistols-fight-club-and-james-dean-made-the-new-dante

This one is always something I do go back to time to time. Today I want to focus on the James Dean inspiration.

Nothing about in their process ever explicitly say that was any queer influence, in tandem with talking about James Dean as an influence.

It's more about his character in Hollywood and his film Rebel Without A Cause, and the themes of rebellion.

It's my personal read and I don't think it's lost to the devs that Dean is a queer man. And his background definitely lends to the way he portrayed his characters and his own eclectic, perhaps even rebellious lifestyle.

Again, I'm not putting my words on the devs' mouths. But I can see subconsciously there was a fragment of something queer about DmC's Dante. Yes, so far, he's straight. He is explicitly shown to be. But he doesn't flinch nor take any kind of offense when Barbas tried to dress him down (no pun intended) about his supposed sexual deviance.

Barbas is a demonic pundit spreading propaganda. He's not to be trusted with his words. And yet Dante grins with nonchalance about any of his crimes against the demonkind.

In short, be queer and do crimes kids

#no don't UNLESS it's for a good cause keep safe #be gay do crimes #dmc devil may cry #dmc: devil may cry #dmc reboot #devil may cry #reboot dmc #reboot dante #ninja theory #reboot devil may cry #james dean #dante #dmc

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little-pondhead · 1 year

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never have I ever been left so flabbergasted other than that time I was discussing various true crime podcasts with a fellow student and some guy came up to me and asked why I was so obsessed with violence

#pondhead rambles #I truly have no idea what was going through his head #I was just discussing theories and whatnot #trying to make friends #and this other classmate just came up to me and only me #asked me why I liked true crime stuff and action movies #cause we had also talked about our favorite movie scenes which led to the true crime stuff #I was just speechless #how do you respond to that???

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thesnailtail · 2 months

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i was dared to ask about the phantom thief minori au in the tags...

can we have details?

(also this au seems really cool)

;; well!!! >:D (also thank you!!)

;; small warning: later on there is a mention of hospitalisation and overworking yourself to the point of hospitalisation

;; minori and mizuki are partners at the start, two silly thieves doing silly things. the two detectives on their case are haruka and an! minori and mizuki's aliases are clover and amia.

;; the main way i can describe the next bit is: phantom thief minomizu -> ??? -> profit (domestic mizuan happens)

;; minori's reasoning for becoming a thief is that if she gets enough money from the things she takes then she can use it to make the world better right? robin hood reasoning. - haruka and an did notice the odd correlation between the heists and a sudden decrease in other crime and social problems in the area. but this thinking does lead to some unintended consequences later.

;; so now minori is the only phantom thief left in the area and haruka is the one trying to work out what the heck is going on with this case

;; then later on after haruka runs in on minori escaping and they have a very quick chat, minori worries that she offended haruka. so she calls up mizuki to give her a letter who then gives it to an who gives it to haruka.

;; that then leads to minori and haruka meeting on the roof of that detective agency and having a short little talk, mainly consisting on minori saying sorry over and over. haruka offhandedly mentions that she doesn't get paid enough for this job. so she goes to the building the next morning to get another letter from minori, this time with "just over four months of good paychecks for her" in money.

;; typical phantom thief shenanigans insue then minori almost gets shot. ive not explained it but my personal belief is rui was testing out the gun in his phantom thief card and minori happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. so she falls off of a rooftop and haruka catches her. luckily she's in casual clothes otherwise that might not have ended so well.

;; after a while this is when haruka and an get to fight. so canon haruka has problems overworking herself, well. well, haruka has to be reminded by an to eat, drink and sleep. she does the first two. she has not slept in a good week and has a caffeine dependency. so her and an argue (during which haruka is a jerk about it) about the state of her wellbeing until haruka collapses in the middle of it. and this kids is why you should take care of your health!

;; in the time when haruka is recovering in hospital, minori doesn't do any sort of heist because she feels bad. she thinks that she was the reason this happend. thought she visits haruka, saying that she was thankful for her catching her when she fell off of the building. and hey here's those unintended consequences from earlier! minori gets stuck in a loop of thoughts that are basically: she thought she was helping people, only for someone to get badly hurt because of her, so was she really even helping in the first place?

;; so when haruka gets back to her normal life, an is constantly worried about her at work. minori gets word from mizuki that she's alright. so she does one heist and no one comes.

;; she does another. and no one comes. she does a third and finally haruka shows up. so minori is absolutely panicking about if haruka's okay and haruka is just mildly annoyed at the fact this case is still ongoing. minori apologises for the problems she caused for haruka. at some point part of minori's disguise (probably the mask) falls off and haruka realises that one of the people who visited her most in the hospital was the person she's been chasing for the past 7 months-ish. yeah.

;; still working out how parts of it go on from there so im just gonna copy this bit from what i said earlier: phantom thief minori -> ??? -> profit (domestic minoharu happens)

;; other plot points im working on fitting in:

- minori gets her money from selling the things she steals to miku. miku encourages theft!

- married couple shizuai, they're a thing. main museum minori keeps stealing from so haruka has to deal with them a lot. in her sleep deprived state and it's not fun for anyone.

#yeah!! i love my silly ohantom thief au #it started out as me going phantom thief minori would be funny she could be phantom thief c or something #then slowly developing into me revising the economic causes of crime (strain theory)!#also fun fact i didnt know where to put! ambiguous minomizu is there in the sense they only call each other nicknames:#“mizu-chan!” “mino-chan!”#and also minori overhears haruka's name but not the last bit so she calls her “haru-chan!” haruka only calls her “phantom thief clover”

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twiexmachina · 2 years

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I’ve been awake for ten minutes and I’m thinking about how the Moralintern doesn’t allow law enforcement to use breechloaders but Kim mentions that they use it during training (which is a wild fact on its own your underfunded volunteer asses have training??).

So like I’m just having fun imagining that the Moralintern clearly does not give a shit about the RCM being useful but the one thing that they’re hands on about is making sure that nobody gets out of here with an automatic weapon, they’ve got a employee whose job it is is to make sure that every gun that gets logged out of the gun range gets logged back in. The Coalition’s presence in the RCM is a mid-level official in the ethics division and This One Dude who triple checks to make sure that all the breechloaders are returned to their triple locked safe. It’s an important job, This Dude makes sure that if the RCM decide to return to their commie roots they can only fire one bullet at a time!!

#disco elysium #posted this without tagging at first cause I got so passionate about Guns #meanwhile kim says that a couple officers have been killed by automatic weapons but like the moralintern doesn’t care about that #that’s Civilian Crime stuff Coalition warship archery is three miles away looking at the important things:#continued obedience from these commie born cops (btw this is my theory for why Jamrock only has 41st)#(you’re telling me that it’s coincidence that the son of the founder runs a district that big by himself?? sus)

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wall-e-gorl · 2 years

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did my best and then my brain started to break at trying to translate Frog Guy and Hare with Gun so its just these three <3

#my art #unprepared casters #once upon a crime #julian crimeboy #juniper erydis #riot hallowheart #also a detail that might be missed if you dont know how i draw ponies: juniper and riot have painted hooves (like nail polish but hooves)#and riot has the ear things i put on bat ponies. just cause of the vampire theory #and its fun

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royalphantompain · 1 year

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Don't hang up yet

I'm not done

I'm an expert

I'm the one

The one who is right all along

Better to be laughed at than wrong

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thefiresofpompeii · 10 months

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life update by the way i am in armenia. also ive got the worlds most specific and horrendous hyperfixation right now which you may have figured out if for whatever absurd reason you are the type of freak to notice tendencies in some stranger's posting patterns. and the worst part is i sound like alex jones to anyone who's talked to me over the past few days

#not even anything as broad as 'conspiracy theories that turned out to be true'. i'm actually hyperfixating on like. the history of #feds. alphabet agencies. crimes and atrocities committed. evil bastards in positions of power. spies. assassinations. been listening to a #lot of It Could Happen Here and Behind the Bastards. FROM A COMMIE PERSPECTIVE #important to clarify that last part because like. trueanon not Qanon. i don't think vaccines cause autism or the earth is flat #just because a lot of stuff is true doesn't mean all of it is God forbid. also doesn't mean that NONE of it is #jamie.txt

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existentialcrisis-24-7 · 1 year

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The rate of violent crimes being done by adolescents in Ireland has gone up significantly in recent years (along with general disrespect towards adults and other people as well as intolerance) and there’s a current theory it might have something to do with the quarantine that happened.

I was wondering if anyone else from other countries have noticed or heard about anything similar.

#there’s a bit more to it #but in general students are wildly disrupting and disrespectful towards teachers and other adults #and not in a ‘you’re treating me unfairly’ way #in a ‘I think you should be getting orders from me’ kinda way #and it’s becoming such a problem #a lady in a town nearby got murdered by a teen #some kid tried to set off a firework in a school bathroom #to my knowledge most are already drinking (and ik ‘hardy harr they’re Irish’ but it is an actual problem)#and again to my knowledge a significant portion are doing drugs #like I really want to know if this kind of behaviour is seen anywhere else outside of Ireland #I also want to throw in my own tie on theory that quarantine and being stuck on the internet caused some of this #Ireland #Irish #violent crime #crime #idk what to tag this as

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himurah · 2 years

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the greatest crime a female character can commit is being perceived as b*tchy

#'i know this man commited the most attocious crimes against humanity #but this woman spoke a little bluntly once so idk i just have this theory (cannon supported!!) that shes actually evil incarnate #and directly caused the male character to do all of that shit bc of her toxic influence :('#people will excuse men doing ANYTHING fr #but the second a woman isnt the perfect mommy-maid-fuck buddy shes irredeemable its unreal #people hate women (real and fictional) so much its genuinely unbearable #.t

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if-you-fan-a-fire · 2 years

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“Cell Fixtures Destroyed By 500 Snarling Convicts,” Toronto Star. October 21, 1932. Page 3. ---- General Ormond Calls Cigarette Paper Talk All ‘Eyewash’ --- CAPTURE NO GUARDS ---- By FREDERICK GRIFFIN Kingston, Ont., Oct. 21. - Tumult flared out again yesterday afternoon in Portsmouth Penitentiary, when more than 500 convicts in the main cell house of Kingston penitentiary, after three days of sullen respite, started a resumption of Monday’s riot, smashing furniture and beds, even smashing the porcelain toilets in their cells.

More than a hundred soldiers of the R.C.H.A. were once more rushed in trucks to the scene with rifles, machine guns and steel helmets, ready for action, and with food and blankets ready for a stay. They stood to arms all night in the floodlighted yards of the prison.

Meantime an unknown number of convicts, loosed from their cells, but still confined within the ranges that radiate out from the central dome by the steel grill aprons, enjoyed this limited liberty without any attempt being made to get them back in their cells. No attempt was made during the night to do so. Guards did not open the aprons to try to do so. Thus the battle rested drawn at the moment.

‘Why,’ Brig.-Gen. D.M. Ormond, superintendent of penitentiaries, was asked, ‘have the guards not gone into the ranges to put the men back in their cells?’

‘Why should they,’ said Brig.-Gen. Ormond, ‘when it might mean some one getting hurt?’

‘Then what are you going to do about it in the morning, to get them back, I mean?

‘That will be decided in the morning. I cannot now what our course of action will be. That depends on circumstances.’

No One Was Injured One thing he stated definitely - though there was a lot of noise and a lot of shooting, harmless shooting, as it appears - no one was hurt. No guard was injured. No convict was harmed.

Talk that cigarette paper was the cause of the convict rioting, the brigadier-general dubbed ‘eye-wash.’ But he refused to give the real reason.

He implied that the Reds were to blame.

‘Read the papers,’ he said. ‘Read what was said in Moscow the other day, that disturbance would shortly break out all over the world. Read what has been happening in London, England, read what has been happening across Canada.’

‘Do you mean Moscow planned this outbreak in Portsmouth penitentiary?’

He shrugged.

‘Do you imply that Tim Buck or the other Communist leaders who are locked up here serving sentence are at the bottom of this sullen demonstration?’

‘Tim Buck is getting a lot of unmerited advertising.’ And that is all the new superintendent of penitentiary, who had experiences of riots at Ripon, Deal and other camps during and after the war, would say. Either he had said too much, or too little.

Shots Only Deterrent As in the case of Monday’s riot in the industrial block, the troops called out were not used in this latest outburst. They simply stood by in the prison yard as a precaution lest the convicts break loose. Scores of shots were fired, not aimed at convicts, but at outside walls as a deterrent. Every shot fired was from a guard’s pump gun. The artillery men were silent spectators, on the outside, not even looking in. During the night some bivouaced inside the prison walls while others mounted guard with the regular prison officials. Double sentries were off the walls. All night long the search lights, installed Wednesday as a precaution, played on the prison buildings and flooded the walls with light. Outside the walls, the street was barricaded for two blocks back by planks on trestles with guards in charge who stopped cars and even pedestrians.

In the meantime, Brig.-Gen. Ormond was in his bed by midnight and asleep, proving beyond doubt that the situation was under control. That did not prevent the wildest rumos from floating around which were intensified by the fusillades that alarmed Kingston between five and six-thirty o;lock, the screams and howls of the inmates, and the entry to the penitentiary of Dr. L. J. Austin, professor of surgery at Queen’s University.

Dr. Austin, who has performed necessary surgery from time to time on inmates, went in to have a ringside seat at the disturbance, rather than to succor the wounded. So one gathered.

At least the doctor admitted that he had not patched anyone up.

Rumors afloat were to the effect that the prisoners were out on the rampage, and had seized a building or buildings, that two guards had been killed, that a number of convicts were wounded, that the convicts refused to relinquish their wounded, and so on. Kingston was agog with them.

Rumors had been due to the blanket of silence imposed by officials here. Not even the new superintendent of penitentiaries will talk or give the slightest inkling what is going on inside the walls. Newspapermen are simply referred to Hon. Hugh Guthrie, minister of justice, at Ottawa, who is dependent on long distance reports. But the article, while lacking in certain details, is authentic in regard to it. Some of it was dragged from Brig.-Gen. Ormond, who was dragged from his slumbers. He was firm, if courteous, and undertook to deny rather than affirm. He refused however to give a complete narrative of events in sequence.

Power House Not Seized One thing he stated definitely.

‘The power house was not seized, as rumor affirmed, on Wednesday. Lights were not installed from outside because the convicts had seized or injured the lighting inside. They were simply installed as a precaution, to have an auxillary light source, in case there was any interference.’

‘Since Monday’s outbreak, up to that of Thursday afternoon, has there been any disturbance?’

‘None. The men were locked in their cells at 11 o’clock Tuesday after being in the shops and working earlier in the morning. They have been in their cells since.’

[AL: Here, the beginning of the theory from conservative and official quarters that Moscow, Comintern, or the international Communist movement was behind the riot!]

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"And I see her, lying there--lifeless and gray--among the downed brush in the murky water. I see her. Every day, I see her. In that damned yellow sundress, I see her."

At the End of Everything (working title) | Story Aesthetic

Andrew has the perfect life: a magnificent home, a beautiful wife, a baby on the way, even a white picket fence and a dog. But when his pregnant wife disappears, Andrew is thrust into the spotlight overnight, becoming a national obsession. He garners sympathy from the nation--until his secrets start to unravel. A dissolving marriage, a distant husband, a distaste for fatherhood, a brazen affair.

Questions turn to accusations. The neighbors gossip. Public pity turns to hatred. The media casts him as a monster, criticizing his every word, condemning his every action. The police rip open every faction of his life. Reporters converge on his home, his workplace. His whole life becomes hell; he knows no peace.

And when his wife's still pregnant body is discovered in the shallow shore, the nation ignites. Andrew is arrested the same day and walked from his home in handcuffs in front of a screaming mob. And the fight for his own life begins.

#writblr #original ficiton #creative ficiton #at the end of everything #ateoe #inspired by one very specific true crime case that I am obsessed with to what is probably an unhealthy degree #course i end up being obsessed with most of the true crime stories i listen to #or at least they stick with me for a while #but writing something out about it silences the detective in me and all the theories that keep me up at night and haunted #also finished watching netflix's dahmer so #been listening to true crime podcasts again #my inner detective loves them #working title cause i can't come up with one that encompasses all the angles of this story #but i'm liking this title for now #better than the first one I had #first time writing a story inspired by a true story #so posting anything about it makes me nervous #missvalerietanner #mvt #really reaLLY REALLY want to use a whole phrase for this story's title

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