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kimdokja-real · 1 year

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ppl r thinking ab this shit way too deeply dokja can top nd yjh would bottom but i admire how far ur willing to go to justify it u have my respect but im also kind of confused y ppl care sm?

Dokja can top and Joonghyuk can bottom yeah.

Thanks. Why people care?

Well I don't know why people care, but I can explain why I care.

I care because I like bottom Yoo Joonghyuk and with the fandom insisting on only bottom Kim Dokja, there's no fics for the fan I am to read (and no other fandom content like fanart too). I want people to write fics for bottom Yoo Joonghyuk, so we bottom Yoo Joonghyuk (and Top Kim Dokja) fans have something to read.

I care because I care about the characters and I believe if you care about the characters, then you'll, in general, a person should at least be open to the idea of their ship the other way around. I do accept bottom kim dokja and even have a fic in store, I just much prefer top kim dokja.

I care because also, Kim Dokja and Yoo Joonghyuk as a BL/yaoi pairing is the main pairing in the fandom. Now I don't know if you or people know of these pairings, but ChildeZhongli from Genshin Impact, Shizaya from Durarara, and I guess SasuNaru/NaruSasu for a pairing which 'Joongdok' beat in the best BL pairing poll, all have a preference, but all have it the opposite way around. ChildeZhongli from Genshin Impact started with Childe topping only, but over time the fandom accepted the idea of Childe bottoming and Zhongli topping.

Basically the most popular main BL pairing/ship in a fandom will usually have it on both sides. For example ChildeZhongli is the most popular ship in the Genshin Impact fandom and has both Zhongli and Childe bottoming.

And Joongdok is the most popular main BL pairing/ship in the Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint fandom. I'm sure people who read and really enjoyed the novel and their interaction in canon came to the fandom for the Kim Dokja and Yoo Joonghyuk ship, for more of them and their interaction, and there's only bottom Kim Dokja (OOC too), no top Kim Dokja or bottom Yoo Joonghyuk at all. I'm sure some people wanted to see it the other way around, bottom Yoo Joonghyuk and top Kim Dokja, or at least with them switching.

Joongdok is the only most popular main BL pairing/ship that doesn't have it on both sides, that only has Kim Dokja bottoming and Yoo Joonghyuk topping, and it is so weird. And boring.

Even the newest Genshin Impact popular pairing Alhaitham/Kaveh has like 700+ fics of Alhaitham being top and 500+ fics of Kaveh being top, despite Kaveh acting like a brat in canon and Alhaitham being a very cool character.

Now we compare to Joongdok. There are 4206 fics in A03 for the pairing. There are 96 fics tagged Bottom Yoo Joonghyuk. That's 2.28% of the Kim Dokja and Yoo Joonghyuk fics, it's not even a measly 5%. This is pathetic.

And Joongdok fans say they love Kim Dokja and Yoo Joonghyuk as a pairing. I cannot believe it.

It's not only about sexual positions. It's about letting both characters be vulnerable, letting both Kim Dokja and Yoo Joonghyuk be vulnerable (not only fucking Kim Dokja), and also letting them explore different aspects of their personalities.

Joongdok won the best yaoi poll, and people are celebrating, it's funny because, the ships they beat, all have it the other way around.

And what is bottom Kim Dokja being the dominant pairing in the fandom based off? The limited, incorrect perception that he's a sly, shy bottom, or wanting Kim Dokja to be loved (which is not a bad thing but he can still be loved on the Top). The novel, canon, is clearly more towards top Kim Dokja and bottom Yoo Joonghyuk, Yoo Joonghyuk is always the one left behind by Kim Dokja who does whatever he wants. Uriel even canonically thinks Kim Dokja tops.

Uriel smiled and said. [Kim Dokja, will you accept Eden’s story?]

“That… I need to think a bit.”

[Why? Our story is the best! It isn’t comparable to other places!]

This was certainly true. The Messiah’s Path was the best story in the resurrection system. There was one problem.

“I will lose something precious if I accept that story.”

[Eh? Ah. T-That’s right. If you choose our story, you’ll become an eunuch… That can’t be.]

I expected to be persuaded but unexpectedly, Uriel shook with agitation. Was it such a big deal for Uriel that I would become en eunuch? Why?

[W-What to do? If I don’t bring Kim Dokja to Metatron, he won’t let me use the Internet for a month… but if he accepts, Kim Dokja will become an eunuch… when that happens… oh, wait a minute. Perhaps if his position changes…?]

…What position?

[O-Okay! Kim Dokja! Don’t worry too much about this problem. One way or another…!]

Uriel seemed to be filled with great determination on her own. I firmly shook my head. “I don’t want it.”

[Yes! It is okay if you are an eunuch…!]

“Next.”

Where is Kim Dokja being a sly, shy bottom here? He's merely confused, and confidently or bluntly says Next.

But for some reason people just ignore this? This is canon, man. And by Uriel, our main Kim Dokja and Yoo Joonghyuk shipper in canon.

Of course Kim Dokja dominantly says No.

(And even if he did it he would get his cock back because he's Kim Dokja)

There are actual scenes in the novel of Yoo Joonghyuk being bottom, (the fact he canonically has a female form, he wins for Kim Dokja using his female form and gets him lots of money, Kim Dokja imagines him in a chinese dress, etc) There are no scenes in the novel of Kim Dokja being bottom. Like, show me evidence in the novel of Kim Dokja being Bottom. Because Kim Dokja is filled with confidence the whole way through and is the one always saving Yoo Joonghyuk.

Let's not even talk about Yoo Joonghyuk being bottom.. Let's talk about Kim Dokja being top. People who love Kim Dokja, why won't you let Kim Dokja be top?

The fandom says Kim Dokja is self-sacrificial, doesn't know people love him, doesn't know how to show love outside of self-sacrifice...which is why he self-sacrifices...all the more Kim Dokja should top. Kim Dokja being bottom and being loved is good yes, but Kim Dokja being bottom and being loved forever? Kim Dokja being bottom forever is only Kim Dokja running away from his core root problem of not understanding love, not understanding how to show love. Because he doesn't do anything but cry out in pleasure on the bottom. He doesn't think, he doesn't comprehend, he doesn't show his desire like he does in the novel. There's no character development.

Kim Dokja being top has so much potential for his character. Kim Dokja is the one with the most favourite character he would do anything for. Imagine an insecure outwardly confident Kim Dokja not even knowing if he's touching Yoo Joonghyuk properly or not, if he even deserves to touch Yoo Joonghyuk. This is just an example of how Kim Dokja can be Top while still showing his character trait of hidden insecurity and lack of understanding of love.

Also, I once shipped Shizaya. I was a famous person there. Shizaya is the pairing of Heiwajima Shizuo and Orihara Izaya (and is one of the pairings Joongdok beat in the yaoi poll), there's Shizaya, Izaya bottoms, Shizuo tops, and there's Izuo, Izaya tops, Shizuo bottoms. You don't need to know the character but, the preferred bottom Izaya is also very intelligent and super smart and manipulates people. The thing is, he's also an intelligent character like Kim Dokja, and I preferred him on the bottom, so I can understand the appeal of having an intelligent character on the bottom, like how people prefer Kim Dokja to be bottom, because he's the intelligent one and he can be sly on the bottom. But the fandom who loves Izaya also lets Izaya top.

I'm used to BL/yaoi pairings where it goes both sides despite the preference of the fandom (and you can just pick the one you like or have them switch), so the Joongdok fandom really confuses me on why the fandom who loves Kim Dokja won't let Kim Dokja top.

I know this post seems a bit confrontational and perhaps bold but just imagine - those hundreds of Joongdok fics you love? Yeah, they're all gone and there's only 20 fics left to read. Maybe 10 worth reading. That's how little fandom content there is for people who prefer Bottom Joonghyuk and Top Kim Dokja.

To me, Kim Dokja will be happier on the top, because Kim Dokja is on top of all the Scenarios and everything in canon.

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lee-hakhyun · 11 months

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do you think that the side story is trying to tell us: we, fragments of kdj, are also ourselves like despite being a small percentage of kim dokja, we also have our own identity and thats okay, that doesnt make us less important to the story? like we are still part of them and we are also important and we, too, should dream about ourselves too...... like it's trying to tell us eventho you are not special, you are still important idk

ok, i was going to answer this expanding on my thoughts i put in tags on one of your posts, but i overestimated my energy for longer posts. i will (probably) make a clearer post rewording this to not be.. all this, but here's a whole rant i went on in discord relating to your ask

text: i mentioned this before but i'm like pretty sure the the side story is meant to reach out to us (not for the sake of saving another, but to save you, personally) i'm planning on cleaning this up in a tumblr post but here's just a VERY disorganized early ramble

everything kinda clicked for me yesterday. the ask ru sent me about the open-endedness of orv got me thinking about the purpose of the side story because yeah, orv has the perfect ending. so why would there still be more? from what i'm seeing. orv will get a clear 'good' end. no more open-ends. and for a good reason. 'omnisicent reader's viewpoint' is over, this is reiterated so many times throughout the side story. but it goes on, which means the story still has a reason to continue. as singshong said, this isn't a story for just that one kim dokja anymore, but it's still a story about kim dokja. and the 'kim dokja' in the side story, it's the orv readers. the kim dokja fragments. as in,, us. if orv had to continue, THIS would be the perfect way to truly complete the story. as much as orv is a story about tragedy it's also about love. orv has saved people even, with an uncertain ending, because the story is about surviving, to have someone live on. and it's supposed to be meant for YOU, you are supposed to dream of a happy ending because you deserve a happy end. but that's not enough for some people, even when everything pointed to kdj waking up, there were still two portals in the end. there were still some people who thought kim dokja, and subsequently themselves, couldn't be saved. so the story continues on, because it hasn't truly reached everyone yet. (1/2 i hope you see where i'm going with this)

so what i think is going to happen, the side story is going to absolutely burn in the message that YOU deserve to live, and leave on an ending that cannot be misconstrued for anything else. because if kim dokja lives on, then so will we. because we are kim dokja. so he NEEDS to live in the end. we're not even close to the end of the side story and this message is already being pushed so much through lhh. he refuses to ignore anyone, 'extra' or otherwise. he wants everyone to survive. just. see his talk with ye hyunwoo. telling him to survive no matter what, that this was his response as an author to his readers, that if he needs to use 'i am kim dokja' then do so

(there's so much about lhh i could theorize on but i can't word it right now)

i'm gonna cut this off here because i will start repeating myself but if an open end was enough to change some. it wouldn't be for others. orv needs a clear happy end to reach anyone that didn't get it the first time around.

it's this ask that changed everything for me. orv's end may have been clear to me, but not everyone thinks the same way

just. urgh. something about this story going so far to reach out and say you deserve to live

#ask #orv side story #orv spoilers #orv #someone PLEASE back me up on this i cannot be the only one seeing this #the side story is speaking to US #you deserve to survive. no matter who you are.

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pttucker · 5 months

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"…Will I keep getting smaller?" I stared at the crumbs of Stories drifting away outside the windows and asked. "Where are those Stories going off to, anyway?" ⸢To uni ver se's sub con scious ness⸥ "And where is that?" ⸢In a wor ld-li ne y o u ar en't con sci ous of⸥ The role of the 'Oldest Dream' was to imagine all of the world-lines. Even if I wasn't conscious of it, my subconsciousness was still continuously watching the world-lines. ⸢Tho se Stories wi ll be reb orn as ano ther Kim Dok ja⸥ "As another Kim Dokja?" ⸢Me ta phor ica lly spea king its li ke th at⸥

⸢Kim Dokja stared into the universe with no visible end.⸥ And now, I knew what my future was like. Every time I read something, I'd crumble away. My crumbling Stories would scatter to countless world-lines out there and become the 'gaze' that maintained this universe. I would lose all of my memories, and lose everything that I hold dear. And in the end, only the desire to see the 'next story' would remain in me. But, without that desire, this universe couldn't continue. This universe could only continue telling its story as long as someone was looking at it.

Okay, we're totally talking about ORV itself here, right? And possibly us?

Like, Dokja is fading away, but he's saying that things will only be maintained if "someone" is looking at it. He doesn't specifically say "so long as I look at it."

And the Fourth Wall is being open and vague at the same time, saying that it's a worldline he's not conscious of despite him supposedly being part of every worldline?

So it's something he's subconsciously aware of, and the novel has really been having a lot of conversations that could be pointing towards ORV itself these last chapters, not to mention moments here and there throughout the entire novel, so he may be subconsciously aware of it already.

Just like I think he's subconsciously aware of the fact that something has gone wrong in his turn and that's why he got such a bad feeling about leaving the 0th turn. Not to mention we literally just saw Sooyoung and Joonghyuk discover the in between space that is ORV itself.

So I'm wondering if Dokja could drift back to 49% just like Sooyoung drifted back to her avatar/vice versa (who Dokja thinks died and doesn't seem to consciously know has returned to a whole) and the story could be maintained by us reading it? Or maybe he's going to be "reborn" as the Kim Dokja of ORV, starting the cycle all over, just like how Sooyoung writing TWSA started the cycle...

Repeating story! Repeating story! Repeating story!

Or, as Sooyoung would say, a Neverending Story.

Also, ughhhhh, I knew Dokja was going to take it all to heart. Even though Sooyoung tried so very hard to tell him that it's not his fault, he didn't cause all this tragedy, Dokja is totally going on about "atoning" for the story by becoming one with it and basically disintegrating himself. Which is nothing new, but it is sad that despite his long journey, in his heart, he's still that same Dokja that makes me want to cry and throw him into the cuddle pile.

Not to mention, him asking "If I forget about everything… I won't feel this pain anymore, right?" 😭😭😭

And then wanting to read TWSA just one more time, properly, on his smartphone, just like he did all those years ago. 😭😭😭

Oh, and I guess I misunderstood previously. Dokja must have been reading the afterward of the final revised version and that is why it was all about Sooyoung. Lmfao this is what I get for reading too quickly, trying to see what happens in the next part. It even said that when he opened it, it was scrolled down to the bottom. I just figured it was like...the epilogue or something and thought it was weird that the epilogue of TWSA was about Sooyoung. 😅

Veeerrryyyy interesting that the final revised version is the first version Dokja read. Everything in this novel is just one big circle.

#orv #orv spoilers #orv liveblog #orv novel chapter 536 #omniscient reader's viewpoint #orv epilogue spoilers #kdj #the fourth wall

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thirdtimed · 2 months

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👁👁 what's orv im intrigued <- fruityghast (sideblog)

smiles at you so serenely. i'm unimaginably delighted to have been asked and on a completely unrelated interest sideblog nonetheless LOL thank you for indulging me!!

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so, what is orv?

omniscient reader's viewpoint, in it's most functional definition, is a behemoth of a korean web novel spanning well over 500 chapters. this admittedly makes it a little difficult to describe in full scope. if you'd like a more detailed post explaining it & its main appeal i recommend ot3's post!

but here's my attempt at a shortened summary for you:

orv is about a down on his luck office worker, kim dokja, who indulges in web novels as the only means of escape from his brutally mundane daily life. his utmost favorite web novel is a long winded, complicated, and incredibly boring story that no one else has the time or patience to read, leaving him as its sole reader. despite this, the novel has continued to update for the past 13 years, even if seemingly only for him. one day, after more than a decade of single-handedly reading and supporting this story, the author gives out a notice they'll be concluding the series at long last. but before dokja can read its last chapter, the world shifts and changes, and the novel itself comes to life a la reverse isekai. the world has become the novel. and as its sole reader, dokja has now become one of the only people to know the world's future. he spends the rest of the story trying to guide the ensuing chain of events in a more favorable direction than the one he read-- all so he can finally reach the end, that final chapter that he never got to finish.

i think at its heart orv can be best surmised through its main refrain: "this story is for that one reader." it's an action packed shounen fantasy death game adventure story BEHEMOTH; but at its heart lies one of the most sincere love letters to the art of storytelling i've had the chance to read. it loves cliches and cheesy tropes and mary sues and everything else we're told is "bad" about fiction unabashedly, because it loves you, the reader, for taking the time to read it regardless.

i talk about it within the context of life series watcher lore mostly because they share metanarrative elements and because i as a person am kind of always ambiently musing about orv, but otherwise they are two very different media. I'm really happy to have gotten the chance to ramble about this though!

if you read all of this first of all 1) thank you so so so much and 2) PLEASE FORGET EVERYTHING I SAID IN MY PREVIOUS POST THAT WAS ALL MAJOR SPOILERS>. MAJOR MAJOR SPOILERS LOL. LMAO EVEN.

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okay, so how do i read it?

if youre still interested, i tentatively recommend starting with the webtoon adaptation before jumpping into the web novel. i personally found the english translation of the web novel clunky and hard to read at first, and thus neglected to finish orv for the longest time. that is, of course, until i reread the webtoon and got left on a cliffhanger so bad that i finished all 551 novel chapters within the span of a week.

there's problems with the webtoon adaptation of course, but i think its translation is slightly more accessible & its visuals make it an easier read than diving headfirst into a novel. but do consider making the jump to the novel earlier than later though, it's an incredibly gratifying read if you do make it all the way to the end.

okay im done thank you for this ask!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! explodes into a million particles

#apologies for the read more i really did try to keep it brief. did not succeed. opened up a can of worms there #hopefully i'll get to play more in depth my orv x life series thoughts #i really really really want to draw dkos watcher grian....

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sm1l3b0t · 2 months

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HELLO! for the orv ask game

8, 15 and 16!! thank you <3

HI!!!!!!!!!!!

8. whats your least favourite arc?

god this is a hard one because orv consistently puts out nothing but fucking bangers. honestly its probably gonna be the arc where they're fighting nirvana. i didn't really like nirvana's character partially because of the disrespect their gender and attraction towards yoo jonghyuk got and partially because when they got eaten by the wall i was really blindsided the first time i read it. while it makes sense in retrospect at the time i was kinda like 'oh. so we're just doing stuff now'. i also think we could have gone harder on the parallels between them and yoo jonghyuk. also when jung heewon gets infected with that thought poison thing that made her be trapped in her worst memories (her sexual assault) and the solution was.....for lee hyungsung to hug her really hard?

i understand what they were going for but they did.......not hit the mark there. there are some parts of the arc i really like - nirvana's interactions with lee sookyoung and han sooyoung killing kim dokja are two that especially spring to mind - but overall the arc is just not my favourite.

15. any characters you didnt love at first but grew to adore?

honestly? yoo jonghyuk. i will admit i fell for the trap!! i had a lot of trouble understanding him initially, honestly - i thought his whole shtick was 'total asshole incapable of communicating his emotions who secretly has a heart of gold' at first and it was an archetype i was pretty damn tired of. even when i finished the novel and grew to love his character, he was my least favourite out of yoohankim. i just couldn't relate to his eternal cycle of torment and struggle tragic backstory the same way i could relate to kim dokja or han sooyoungs. over time though i have come to appreciate and adore him and he is ABSOLUTELY one of my main blorbos now. such a fascinating character!

16. what part in orv made you realise it was gonna be your favourite?

ive talked about this a couple times on here before so ill try not to regurgitate it all (even though i love talking about it) but the part of orv that really made me realise it was like nothing else id ever read before was during the disaster arc when kim dokja tries to save 41st! shin yoosoung but is stopped because the constellations dislike the story. the reason it hit me so hard was because that was exactly what i was thinking as i read that part - wow, this seems kinda bullshit, no way it makes sense, etc - and it really hammered home for me what kind of meta story orv was building. the constellations were literally me!! probability was being moved by my desires and disbelief! it was such a gut punch moment!

thank you so much for the ask!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! had so much fun answering :))) <3

#orv ask game

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keistance · 1 month

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Kim Dokja is here, and alive and well (Sending you cause you tagged I love Kim Dokja, yes we're obsessed but we really love our Kim Dokja.)

FRRR that bitch is alive and happy and surrounded by KDJC if i have ANYTHING to say about it. not sure which post you are talking about but yes. i love you kdj i love you orv. you can finish orv but orv doesn't finish with you. glad to see we're all gonna still be talking about him in the nursing home.

#kimdokja-real #ask #THANK YOU FOR THE ASK I LOVE TALKING AND SPECIALLY ABOUT KDJ #kei talks #orv

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le-panda-chocovore · 4 months

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Hello.... If you don't mind me asking, who are your favorite romantic relationship's couples in books/ manga/ anime/movies/tv series (can be canon or non-canon)? Feel free if you want to write the reasons or not of why you love them...Thanks if you want to answer....

Hello !

That's a dangerous ask, I don't know if I'll be able to answer... Do you have any idea how many books/manga/movies I read/watched and how much I loved them ? Making me listing things is like the worst thing you could ask T_T

I'll skip books because 1. I don't usually ship people -or all my ships are canons- when I read a novel and 2. there's way too many books I can't sort them all.

Let's try this game ~

Okay I'll only talk about my absolute favs, even tho I know it'll still be too long

Manga / Anime !

MHA/BNHA : EraserMic, BakuDeku (i KNOW they're toxic but I have a very precise idea of their relationship)

JJK (I'm already crying why would you make me do this) : SuguSato.

AssClass : Karushuu, Karmagisa, GakuRen (no I couldn't choose one true pair)

Haikyuu (ah... you lost me here, good luck for reading lol) : Iwaoi, KuroKen, BokuAka, UshiTen, BokuAkaKuroKen (yes the four of them), MatsuHana, TsukkiYama, KuroTsukki, AkaKen, BoKuroo, AsaNoya, KageHina, SugaSawa

ATLA : Zukka, Sukka (suki x zuko x sokka), MaiLee

ORV : Kim Dokja x Yoo Jonghyuk

OP : Shuggy

Death Note : L x Light

19Days : Jian Yi x Zheng Xi

Shows & Series (animated or not)

Helluva Boss/Hazbin Hotel : Static Moth (vox x val), FizzarOzzie, AngelHusk, Charlie x Vaggie

The Sandman : Dreamling also known as centennial husbands ( Dream x Hob Gadling)

Good Omens : AziraCrow also known as ineffable spouses/husbands/wives/idiots, Adam x Warlock, Newt x Anathema

Loki disney+ : Lokius

TGP : all the canon couples

Young Royals : WilMon

Movies :

Avengers/MCU : IronFrost (Loki x Tony Stark), Stucky

LOTR/Hobbit : Gigolas, Bagginshield, SamFrodo

HP (I know, we do NOT talk about this franchise) : WolfStar (Remus x Sirius)

Let's stop there because I can't think of anything else right now and there are already way too many ships lmao. It'll be worse if I justify them, anyway most of them are obvious so I won't need to lol

Just gonna precise some little things :

About AssClass my vision is Karmagisa / GakuRen when we're talking about Junior High but Karushuu if I imagine the after-manga when they're in High School

Haikyuu is just, multiship, allship, ship everywhere and everything, heterosexuality doesn't exist anyway. Polyships ? Of course, since they all love each other !!

Hear me out for One Piece, Shanks and Buggy are that messy ex-couple that hate each other because they were never able to move on, so they still fuck sometimes.

Never ask me something like that again, I will lose myself in thoughts (please don't hesitate to ask for more, I love talking)

#shipping #ships #rambling #random watcher #answering asks #personal opinion #questions #fandom

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powerpolyculeshowdown · 1 year

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Kim Dokja is not actually unattractive , this is a lie. He’s not pathetic either , don’t let those weirdos’ words get to you. His face is blurred because he has a skill called “ a forth wall”. When people in the novel get asked to describe his appearance , they can’t do it! Because it’s censored! But they don’t know it! He has pale skin , dark hair and eyes glimmering like stars. Everything that was written in the novel should lead you to a conclusion that no one (few can see it actually but that’s a long story) can see his face properly. Bro is ethereal and no one knows ! BlackBox (the official novel artist) did him justice. Yoo Joonghyuk is the most attractive man on earth. Han Sooyoung doesn’t have anything that prevents people from seeing her face, but she still got called ugly in the novel. Her birthday is also on a 1st of April LMAO. How pathetic is that? She’s literally a joke. She’s cringe. She has a foul mouth and she’s annoying to most people. She’s also a malnutritioned shortass. Kim Dokja and Yoo Joonghyuk can be described as “ a god and his favorite” . Han Sooyoung is just some girl that had rich parents that didn’t love her. Truth be told, the absolute majority the fandom don’t ship her with Kim Dokja and Yoo Joonghyuk. They ship her with Yoo Sangah- an amazing woman that can put her in her place and make her shut up if she wants

i appreciate ur passion for ur ships and the clarification that kim dokja is not ugly but ill have to step in and say we're not here to break polyships apart in favor of pairings. its the power polycule showdown. now if u want to talk about how han sooyoung is dating the guys and this other lady at the same time and convert ppl to a bigger polycule im happy to advocate idk who yoo sangah is but i keep sayin the more the merrier!

it also didnt sit well w me the way u lifted the two guys up and put hsy down like that, but its fully possible you meant it in an affectionate way and i misread your tone in which case im sorry (we all got a blorbo we talk shit about mine is izaya from durarara hes absolute garbage and i love him)

i didnt want to leave you hanging and i mightve misunderstood your tone, so i chose to reply, but, as a general warning: if ppl try to start any shipping discourse in my inbox its most likely getting deleted.

#polyasks #long post #we only ship polycules here sorry #cant turn 3 into 2 but u can make it 4 ill accept that

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xthelastknownsurvivorx · 5 months

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oooooh noteworthy au for rwrb 👀👀👀

but also orange au? 👀

I already talked about noteworthy au here but here's a bit more that I can give you on character profiles (note that I don't actually have a lot of musical experience, just school chorus up through middle school so be kind if I've gotten anything wrong):

a capella group alex joins, name tbd: 5 members*

alex: goes by gabriel from middle name gabriella?; tenor, musical theatre major

henry: third generation legacy member, face of the group/the hot one; baritone, music major

philip: third generation legacy member, musical director and president; baritone, music major

pez: he and alex get into trouble together, event planner/treasurer; tenor, dance major

liam: also from texas like alex so they bond over that, same year as alex; bass, visual arts major

*originally the a capella group in noteworthy has 8 members but I don't feel like coming up with 3 more male ocs with unique personalities (as hunter and spencer are part of a rival a capella group) so we're leaving it at 5 for now

reading this back, I'm actually now tempted to switch henry and pez in terms of their vocal registers because I think it would be very cool and gender of pez to have a deeper voice while caring fuck all about the gender binary, but I'm also a little attached to alex-pez tenors and all the mischief they get up to

as for orange au, this one is based on the manga/anime orange by ichigo takano and is for omniscient reader's viewpoint. I'm not sure how much you (or most of my other followers) know about orv, there are some very light orv spoilers, and orange is a story that deals with some heavy topics, so it's all going below the cut (including the content warnings)

cw: suicide, depression

first, here's a link to a very good overview of orv in terms of what it is, a summary of the plot, why it's special, about the characters/their relationships, and some caveats. it's a little long so feel free to read only as much as you want for context

what you need to know for its relevance to this au idea is that through reading orv you slowly find out that its main character kim dokja is a self-sacrificial piece of shit (affectionate) who is also very much allergic to emotional intimacy due to some childhood trauma. in the world of orv (fantastical, apocalyptic), he often will make his own plans to sacrifice himself in exchange for saving his friends' lives despite their repeated instance that they don't want him to do this and they'd rather figure out alternative plans

so it's very easy to map this tendency to the plot of orange, which is about a high school student who is trying to prevent the death of a friend after receiving letters from her future self in a parallel universe where she (and her larger friend group) lost this friend to suicide. the letters suggest ideas on how to make this friend feel less alone and less suicidal by making different decisions at critical points, as her future self (and the other friends' future selves) is very regretful that she didn't try harder to be there for him because no one realized he was struggling so badly

obviously this story isn't super realistic for a number of reasons, including the fact that the most any of us can take on is trying to be supportive of friends/family/etc who are struggling, not actually be responsible for keeping them alive. that is not a reasonable responsibility to take on and would be far too heavy for the person/people carrying it. also responsible adults and professionals should absolutely be consulted in this type of scenario, which is never brought up in the context of the story. insert many more caveats here that i cannot currently think of

however, at the same time, i also think that the story does a really good job of exploring themes of inevitability, regret, and choice which is why it's stuck with me for 7.5 years now. plus i think it just works really well with the characters of orv which is why I want to make an au of it

ask me about my wips

#rwrb #orv #tag game #wip title game

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istherewifiinhell · 2 years

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reading progress: chapter 222 (i had to get some shit sorted but we're back in action here folks)

reading highlights: get the scrolling fingers ready

196 oh theres a character w gender

kdj kind of commenter that just wants a girl character. okay

kdj ID theft yjh: oh there you are

197 "in moments of low self esteem Kim Dokja would say "I'm Yoo Joonghyuk"

UNIONIZE HELL!!

198 going to a bar to eat the appies yes (non drinker solidarity)

guy who survived a decade on one story -> maybe [non constellation] people need stories also

kdj: WWYJHD? wait im better than him

199 kdj special fake it til u make it

listening to funky synth music during the reaper fights (cat out of hell on bandcamp)

"my lovely kids LGY & SYS" t-t

200 [processing gamified revolution] HMM

201 hell yeah publican dude (british sense) i want him to make me a butty

Han Myungoh (HMO?) union buster OFC

YJH bar of handsome ness entry #1652

203 kdj unabashed long media enjoyer

LITERALLY comparing this to union efforts at the old job. okay

204 why are all office manager/company men roman philosophy losers

bring out the skill/item from 100 chapters ago

kinda hot to kill people just cause there fucking with the revolution

ORV MPREG?

205 orv a story for people who like wall

JHY videogame siren girl technique :/

206 HMO demon king consort? good for u?

ppl can grow off screen?? kdj lack of human object permanence

YJH widower era babey. uriel not causing problems persay. but on purpose

207 [BAD SOCIETAL THING] isnt the natural state of the world and can be changed. kissing this arc

brooo do get yjh a therapy watch to get him to dissociating/alienating himself less -> kdj is the guy planing this o__o

KNW and abyssal black dragon are u evil or just 14

208 [hsy feels like] an abandoned food processor?

The entire hsy & ysa scene its got everything: sexual tension, fraught emotions, abt secrets and grief, Big Dragon

JHY in a world of minmaxers is a balanced PC

209kdj you have a new kid a they are a foolish teen

4th wall dog training continues. NO eating other smaller wall

Big Guy (derogatory) my fav passive aggressive insult

210 "I forgot to I was Yoo Joonghyuk" yeah rookie mistake man cant forget that

"Tell the Duke to learn to fear the Day" HOOTIN AND HOLLERING

211 why is this egg so cute wtf. it needs story and hugs okay

dokkaebi sys birth im crying. kids man, you gotta love them! they love the whole world!

212 [heh] kdj dad moments! thats his kid!!

SYS LGY LJH kid hang out T_T -> maritime admiral yi sunsin T_T

uriel is so normal about dokhyuk. you abandoned ur incarnation!!

213 yjh uriel Road trip buddy comedy

STEAL FROM WORK!!

214 "if you have to sell your story sell it for the right price" THATS PRAXIS BAYBE

kdj doing the blackbeard thing about demon king of salvation

215 kdj cant talk to people. mood. -> praising jhy cute

216 kdj no good billionairs-ing the constellations

the readership to commenter to author pipeline. themes

Kdj existential crisis about the existence of truth and the true self and if its possible to know the other

Yelling

"I think there is a huge wall" [Fourth Wall is looking at you] -> THATS WRITING

'theres no such think as communication' DOKJA

everyone has a wall, communication is impossible thats obvious -> TEENS ROCK

you should leave your mark

music: loves first explosion

kdj 🤝 me : getting the names slightly wrong

SWK!!!

↳ 217 he had sweet lips?

↳ one of swk hairs? -> secret tool that will help us later?

↳ its the gaze of one person...

218 the snake says hes okay cause he has no hands and feet (GOOD JOKE) i missed the twitch chat

THE REVOLUTION MUST LIVE IN OUR HEARTS AND IN OUR MINDS

many stripes one team! (blaseball ref)

219 dokhyuk's constant one up man ship ID fuckery

219 theres the swk hair. im gonna get a good grade in orv!

220 KNW is a mech. okay

Bye KNW see you in another 50 chapters

UGH YJH [SCREAMING] thx for saving him bbygirl

"He came..." I was so happy I wanted to call out his name... yeah bro?

221 kdj self rationalization speed run. did my friend do smth just to save me? no he must have some convoluted motive

Author is that file A THREAT? sad yjh tho bby.

rotating: i mean shit. i already made a post cause part of of this section was so fucking good. kim dokja! you got problems man. fucking fascinating ones. I love it when teens school him about the philosophy of communication. yeah bro its all signifiers all the way down the platonic realm of perfect objects is inaccessible to us. but meaning can still be created even if its infinite meanings of infinite texts. hang on.... can we get fictional character Kim Dokja to read Borges i think i would fuck him up so bad. delightful revolutionary stuff going on here too, big fan. to think we can kill the trope of the evil revolutionary that takes power for themself if we all just had the most weird intrinsic gay identity thing going on with some guy thats assassinates politicians in ur name.

i think ill leave the actual nibbles of kdj yjh legacy/story swap for next time tho. just based in vibes. also just noteing the veritable gaggle of kids being collected. love em. kdj like many people with parent problems and who is easy to own, collecting them like flies

remember all epiphanies of the self are 80 percent wrong

#some shit #orv blogging #going to go DEVOUR some fucking dinner the narratives make me so hungery -> actually just forgot to eat #just so u know i can see the activity feed ticking up ominously from this screen but am powerless against it #did u know posts work exponential i think im learning that.#orv notebook

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just messaging to say that i really enjoy your fics, characterization, analysis/insight, and writing talks - you put out valuable work and i really admire your writing. it’s been really fun waiting for updates, it feels exciting!

since you feel like sharing, is there anything you have about one of your fics (be it a cut scene, the writing process, or so on) you’ve been dying for an opportunity to share? i love behind-the-scenes/the writing process ^^

hiii hellooo thanks for calling my gay losers fanfiction valuable work its on my emotional resume now

Hmm I don't really cut scenes as much as I just sometimes completely rewrite them and/or move them around... Like there was going to be a scene with LJY and a scene with SYS in chapter four but like for uhhh Obvious reasons I was like okay no those go in Chapter 5 now my privileges for adding scenes to chapter 4 have been revoked.

On my other fics hmmmmm.......... Um if you read the one for ORV bigbang that I pitched and wrote, the 10k one about YJH going through every regression and KDJ is always there, that one is one I like talked about in an ask way back ago on this blog... It was an AU I played around with in my head that like I pictured being like suuper long and multichaptered and going through each regression but like... A writing skill I actually learned was that... you can actually make plans about writing... so that you have to do less work...

Shocking!

Which is why when it was still going around in my head I pitched it to ORV BB and Yuu was kind enough to pick it. I initially planned two chapters in the outline submission, one chapter with the sort of YJH timeline viginettes and then a second chapter where he has to game everything to make sure KDJ lives... So in my outline process I have the end of these two chapters written, the first is the one that you see in that fic with the sacrifice and the second is a final confrontation w/ the OD AND i think that the latter will never see the light of day. My main problem with it is that even though I tried to incorporate HSY more in the planning of chapter 2, I felt like the ending I came up with didn't do her justice in the climax, it was too YJH and KDJ focused, so if I ever went back to that chapter 2 concept I'd basically be starting from scratch I think.

ALSO about that one: in the ORVBB terms Yuu only had to make one illustration for me but she really went above and beyond and did a bunch of scene sketches just before I submitted the final which was just so crazy cool. A lot of my WIPs went on hold during bigbang but it was really wroth it just to have that experience i think.

if you want some Writing Process about wall fic tho heres a fun anecdote (cw i talk about why suicide is included in the fic a bit):

so back when I put out the first few chapters of wall fic i was really not expecting the kind of response that it got because firstly i had never written a fic that got the amount of attention wall fic got from the git go before and then secondly... ok when I wrote the outline for wallfic in my head it is like. A. Comedy.

So that seems like crock because chapter one is like explicitly about Kim Dokja's suicide attempt huh. and like I knew that when I wrote it... But I didn't think it was that sad? It's hard to explain that because like. Something I encountered after publishing is that in my experience, like, attempts aren't sad. You know, I'm open about being trans and gay and like the fact of the matter is that like 50% or more of my lifelong friends from growing up have attempted suicide before like we're part of those more than 80% statistics lmao. So in my mind when I see narratives about suicide in media, I'm sort of looking at how well they represent my own or my friends' experiences. Which is why cannon ORV really struck a cord with me, because it presents KDJ's suicidal ideation as this natural part of him that's always there, and he's never portrayed as crazy or wrong for feeling and thinking in those ways. It's presented very naturally in a sort of "this is just how it is" way. Which is something that really hit me, because I think that in my experience with suicidal friends, that's how it is. It's always lurking under the surface and it's something we all have thought about. Then there are just these moments of crisis where it can't be held back anymore and then you're calling 911 at 3 am on a school night...

So when I sort of write about these adults and institutions failing KDJ in chapter one, my feeling on it was going for that "this is just how it is," and then, in setting up the YJH relationship, it represented to me the fact that there are things that can still save you, whether it be friendship or strange parasocial calling, at the core of things there's some hope for us... It seems very optimistic to me! A great set up for some gag comedy too, classic romcom misunderstandings such as... "Oh the guy who saved me from my suicide attempt doesn't actually care about me..." oh hmm.. that still sounds depressing doesn't it?

I think that one of the reasons I had to take a lot of breaks in between writing Chapter four is because around the time i was done with chapter 3, i was home for winter break and found myself calling 911 for another friend and I was like... OH. WAIT. this is like. Not something that Most People Have Done. Because I was sitting there answering the responder thinking like "🙄 ugh i hate that they always ask if the suicidal person is armed when you call 911 for attempts" and then I remembered that like the first time I called 911 on like a for real for real attempt where I 100% knew that my friend Would Die if the ambulance didn't get there on time my reaction was... not like that lmao. Like The Sheer Desperation I felt at that time would almost be impossible to explain because there's this sense of helplessness that comes from being a teenager where your friends are just physically out of your reach and it feels like there's nothing you can do for this person to change the home life that keeps bringing them to the edge so all you can do is watch your discord dms late into the night in case you need to call 911 and then once you have that's all you can do...

And then i was like hold on wait is that what wall fic is about.

So I like reread chapter 1 then and it was like kind of hard because like... Yeah huh I kind of Wrote This huh. These are kind of my Real Life Personal Experiences being projected onto my Korean Webnovel Men.

Then I reread comments that I got on that first chapter and like... people saying that they cried reading it and that it was so sad... I had kind of laughed or thought they were exaggerating the first time I read them because it's like... I didn't write anything sad though?

But then when I was rereading what I wrote with everyone else in the comment section that time I thought... it really was sad... It was sad what happened to me and my friends, wasn't it? That it's just how we grew up, thinking it was normal, getting used to it to keep each other alive... And I started crying too, because I had forgotten that it was sad, that it was terrifying, and I needed all these people on the internet to remind me...

It was a bit hard to write after that, because I realized that my own words had a lot of meaning to me... and since it was very important to me to write wall fic, I started to get a lot of anxiety about doing it right. ORV big bang helped me take a break and remember that writing is just writing... I don't have to worry too much about whether or not something I'm writing is accurately representing something important to me... because since I'm the one writing it, the things I think, my values, ideals, experiences, all these things are naturally going to be in something that I make... I don't have to express things on the axis of all these specific ideals, its enough to just put down what feels fun and good. I managed to bottle the feeling I had before of "i enjoy these guys in my head and i want to show them to people," sort of the joy of creating that got overshadowed later on.

I think that was important for me, because at the end of the day I think that wall fic is still comedy. It would be wrong to call it tragedy, because even though the beginning is sort of in this sad place, the sort of trajectory of the story is upward, you know? I think that it's also something I want to express that those of us who do have those sad lives or those tragic lives... it's still living! Too often I feel that narratives about suicide I've been subject to in media are either blink and you miss it cured (unrealistic, quick resolution that doesn't give anyone the proper building blocks for recovery) or made out to be impossible to escape from and inevitable (you're doomed the second you start feeling this way)... I would like to see more narratives that start out with suicide, take it seriously, and then go on to ask... now what? When we survive, what do we do? Because too often I think the only answer some of my friends found was "Nothing changed, but there's nothing else I can do. I'll just try again."

So with Kim Dokja, of course he still has the suicidal ideation, he still holds tightly onto "there's nothing I can do," he still doesn't value himself even though he isn't actively attempting... but even though he's Going Through it in wall fic I want to show that his life gets just a bit more beautiful every chapter. That he didn't have to change too much for his life to get better, he wasn't in the wrong for feeling the way he did... things just get better... you just have to live to see them and they will... this is something I would want to promise to a reader, so I think carefully about it while writing now.

#then of course the comedy comes from him not internalizing that things are better lmao #personal #ask #twigwing

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For you, I would

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Genre : happy-ish angst

Tw : none (?)

Pairing : Yoo Jonghyuk x Kim Dokja (interpretable)

Characters : Yoo Jonghyuk and Kim Dokja

Story : for you, my dear, ofcourse I would.

Info : the story is written from Yjh's prespective

In the intricate tapestry of life, we're constantly navigating through a myriad of emotions, some vibrant and vivid, others subtle and concealed deep within the recesses of our hearts. I've always prided myself on my ability to approach situations with a logical mindset, to maintain composure even amid chaos.

Yet, with you, Kim Dokja, it's as if the very fabric of my being shifts. Your presence stirs emotions that I never knew existed. Suddenly, the idea of sacrificing myself for your sake doesn't seem so distant or abstract.

When I think of you, it's as if everything that I’ve known about emotions for my entire life crumbles. Your presence fills me with a warmth that honestly, I never knew I craved. It’s as if every part, every fiber of my being is attuned to you and your well-being. Seeing you right now, in pain sends me shivers down my spine.

For you, my companion, I would sacrifice myself in a heartbeat. Not because I’m some noble hero, but because the love I have for you surpasses any logic or reason. It’s a love that’s as natural as breathing, as essential as the beating of my heart.

I wonder what is it exactly about you that ignites this fierce devotion inside of me? Was it the way your eyes would light up when you talked about your hopes and dreams? Or the warmth and gentleness you have shown for me all these years? You’ve proven again and again that you truly do accept me for who I am, flaws and all.

To me, the thought of losing you is unbearable. This will I have to sacrifice myself for your sake isn’t an act of heroism- it’s an act of survival. It’s a testament to the depth of my love for you, a love that knows no bounds and refuses to be confined by the limitations of this world we live in.

So yes, Kim Dokja, for you, I would sacrifice myself without hesitation. Because in a world filled with all this uncertainty and chaos, you are my constant, my anchor, my reason for being here. And as long as you are by my side, I will do whatever it takes to ensure your happiness and well-being, even if it means giving up everything I have.

Because you are my one and only companion.

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<- MASTERLIST

-> you can interpret the story as if they're lovers, or just friends, doesn't matter 🔥

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One thing that bothers me anout TCF is why the God of Death decided to transmigrate KRS after he finished Volume 5 of TBaoH. Why not wait for him to finish the series? Like, what's the disadvantage of KRS finishing the book before becoming Cale? The speedrun in TCF would have been faster if he knew how the story ended. Sure, there's the idea that maybe the author wanted to showcase KRS' brilliance in being able to adapt and conquer situations, and I'm not asking for Kim Dokja the 2nd, I JUST WANNA KNOW WHY TRANSMIGRATE HIM AFTER THE FIFTH VOLUME? I'm sorry for the rant...

I really should catch up to the more recent chapters because I feel like I'll trip on canon facts without knowing and become the laughing stock of TCF.

So whatever I say next is just me making up theories based on my knowledge up to reading to chapter 663.

Firstly, OG!Cale was forty before switching with 36 year old Kim Rok Soo. Because we know time runs different between these parallel worlds, it could be due to time differences- OG!Cale died faster than Kim Rok Soo could finish the entire series and triggered the whole Death God transaction and all. That's the easiest plotwise explanation.

But if we're talking about storywriting decisions here's a different view:

How much our protagonists knows will affect how well they assimilate into the world they transmigrated into.

We all have read ISEKAI novels/webcomics of protagonists equipped with varying degrees of preemptive knowledge. If I were to grossly simplify and summarise the three types it would be:

"All-Knowing" Protagonist - the ones who know the most if not the entire plotline, future, flow of the world, with foresight/power so great they break the world's natural laws/logic mechanisms. (e.g. Kim Dokja, Ainz Ooal Gown, Kim Gong-Ja, Shiroe)

Semi-present Protagonist - ones who have 'part' of the full picture. Their knowledge of the world only helps them up to a certain extent - either due to limited preemptive knowledge or butterfly chain effect of their actions changing the future they ‘know’. They learn more about the world the longer they stay and adapt accordingly. (e.g. Kim Rok Soo, Athanasia de Alger Obelia, Melissa Podebrat)

"I just want to be a normal NPC!" - isekaied as a normie with no preemptive plot/world knowledge. They have to learn and adapt to the new world from step 0. (e.g. Rudeus Greyrat, Myne, Naofumi, Rimuru Tempest)

*note that these are just my own categorisation and by no means, encapsulates all types of ISEKAI tropes. Here I'm just separating them according to how much 'world' knowledge they already have before transmigrating.

We all love our “All-Knowing” Protagonists who shred through crises like it’s wet paper. It sets an exhilarating fast pace and honestly now, who doesn’t enjoy the constant victory high from being right all the time? Original plot doesn’t really matter much in this category because our beloved stronk af protags will bend all unsavoury parts to fit their purposes. Keeping momentum at a constant high is a challenge but when done well it feels pretty dang awesome.

Here’s one thing about “All Knowing” Protags, they are never fully immersed into the world they’ve transmigrated/reincarnated into. Because they ‘know’ how future events unfold they are able to objectively view the situation they’re thrust into. They can take a back seat (which really gives us that powerful omnipresent feeling) and pull strings or armstrong their way past obstacles because that’s just how powerful they are. They however, never feel part of the world they’re in because their OPness emphasises their ‘otherness’ in this world. Natives either fear or respect them and it could lend to a feeling of distance. Most of the protagonist examples I’ve listed as well, have on multiple occasions been able to reflect on “Oh right, I’m in a story/video/game world.” often pulling themselves back from integrating fully into their new world.

Now, imagine Kim Rok Soo having read the entire series, with his perfect memory it would guarantee he’d have the solutions to every problem that’ll be thrown his way the moment he transmigrates into TBoaH. This would launch him straight into “All-Knowing” Protagonists because with that sexy smart brain, he’s going to eliminate all threats at the root ASAP so he can enjoy that sweet, sweet slacker life. Knowing Kim Rok Soo, he’d also not bother with interacting with any of the character casts because why bother making friends when you can solve the problem just like that *snap*?

With only limited knowledge however, Kim Rok Soo has to be careful how he manipulates things. He still took a lot of shortcuts due to his understanding of the world, but the fact he got reincarnated before he finished meant he can’t afford not to make friends with the main cast. Because logically, he does not know how many more problems Choi Han will have to face, but he does know Choi Han is the protagonist and protagonists always live to the end. Sticking close to Choi Han, or at least making an ally of him would ensure his survivability. As such, through befriending Choi Han and his allies, it’s inevitable Kim Rok Soo has to immerse himself fully into the story’s world - it’s not just a story now. It’s a world he has to survive in - and eventually decides to live in as well.

So tl;dr TCF would only last 50 chapters if KRS had transmigrated with full knowledge of TBoaH.

I’d like to add in a writer’s point of view that, even I, wouldn’t want to plan 700+ chapters ahead and never write my story. I'd just write it. LMAO

#chatter #tcf #trash of the count's family #theories #rambling so much #kim rok soo #cale henituse #transmigration #thanks for coming to my dumb ted talk

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"That's right. It'll be like we're presenting him with the source of imagination. So that they can dream about this world's conclusion." Han Sooyoung studied the faces of her companions one at a time and continued on. "No one will get hurt this way. No one born in other world-lines will get harmed. All we have to do is to make those guys read a certain story, that's it." Countless Kim Dokjas scattered throughout many world-lines would all be imagining it. Those born with various appearances, living in various environments. There was no meaning in meeting them or bringing them here. The only thing the companions could hope for in this situation was a miracle. A miracle that could bring back Kim Dokja they all remembered. It was fine even if it was all a delusion, a lie – if only he could imagine their happiness… If only all those countless 'Kim Dokjas' imagined the one single universe…

Jung Heewon asked her. "…What can we help you with?" Rather than a verbal reply, Han Sooyoung placed her notebook PC on the hospital room's desk and accessed a certain text file, one that they were intimately familiar with. A novel with its title still left as "no subject". Han Sooyoung slowly, so very slowly, began typing the title of the novel.

It's happening!!!

Okay, so not only did Sooyoung write TWSA specifically so Dokja would read it, now she's writing ORV specifically so Dokja will read it.

AHHHHHHH!

It's all so circular and so meta.

Literally writing ORV from within ORV.

No wonder so much of the novel was dedicated to talking about the characters making their own story. It wasn't just the characters from TWSA coming alive or Dokja "writing" the ending of TWSA as he lived it with everyone else, it was literally also building up to this very moment.

#orv #orv novel chapter 546 #omniscient reader's viewpoint #orv spoilers #orv epilogue spoilers #orv liveblog #hsy #kdj crew #kdj

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I want to talk about YJH for a second, specifically regarding where he's been positioned in the story and how things have been playing out through his POV (Spoilers up to chapter 120).

Most characters have benefitted tremendously from having Kim Dokja around to influence the direction of the story - Jung Heewon (who I believe was originally a nameless character) has blossomed into one of the strongest incarnations so far and Lee Jihye is stated to be far more powerful than she was in the original third regression.

And while virtually everyone benefits from KDJ's presence, we saw YJH's mental state actually rapidly deteriorating after KDJ's arrival, all the way up to the cinema master fight. It was stated several times in the story that "he shouldn't be this cruel at this point, it's only his third regression, he's acting extremely out of the norm"...and while I can't know for sure, I wonder how much of that is due to him having to share the spotlight with KDJ. He has been very quickly relegated from the role of protagonist to deuteragonist, and is no longer the primary dictator of how this world moves.

Then again...he never actually was. His author was before. And even in-universe, most of his actions and decisions have been heavily influenced - if not outright dictated - by the constellations watching his suffering for their own entertainment. It's so...strange. It's such a strange position that he's in. He's the protagonist, he's the most powerful person on the field, but he's had arguably the least amount of agency over his own actions than anyone else in the story. The vast majority of things he is going to end up doing that Kim Dokja knows about simply haven't happened yet. We are where the story begins. Depending on when this reality truly began, YJH as an autonomous person was really only born a month and a half ago, and that's strange. I'm trying to put myself in his shoes, and it's hard, because he knows so little about the current situation; and I know so little about his previous two regressions (*throttles Kim Dokja for no particular reason*). So really all I can do is speculate...

Speaking of, isn't it strange that YJH's sponsor has never even tried communicating with KDJ at all? That we have no idea who his sponsor even *is* (and that KDJ doesn't raise any questions about it)? Of course my working theory is that KDJ *is* his sponsor...I have no idea how we get there, but I have no doubt that he is. Maybe the Fourth Wall skill is sponsor!KDJ's way of protecting human!KDJ.

One last thing about Jonghyuk is something that I wonder if KDJ will be capable of stopping. When we first met him, the first thing Dokja states is that he will be the man to kickstart the tragedy that changes this world. That. Is...future tense. Something very bad concerning YJH will happen that we haven't seen yet. Does it occur at the end of this third regression? Somewhere before? We're actually nearing the end of when his third regression would be normally...IIRC they mentioned earlier that he dies due to Yoosung (not during the fight, but due to her actions in some way). But what is this action he takes that turns the world upside down? Every time Kim Dokja saves somebody that YJH loves...is that him trying to guide him away from that possibility? Shit, KDJ, what are you gonna do if you end up needing to save yourself?

Ultimately I feel I may be denying YJH too much agency in how I'm thinking about him right now but as it stands I honestly can't help it. By his third regression he's already a psychopath, we don't hear his voice that often, he works mostly off screen, and when he is around he's laser-focused on what needs doing. But essentially what I'm trying to say here is just how strange of a position he's in right now. Hearing other characters comment on him now is what reminds me that he's meant to be the main character. "As expected of a protagonist". Who?? What?? How?? What factor makes him the protagonist now? The fact that the universe lives and dies with him? All that makes him is a hostage.

The universe living and dying with him...Kim Dokja?

That's why KDJ's influence has been so monumental. YJH resisted his presence at first - a lot - and the majority of his actions and decisions have been reprehensible thus far. But Dokja's actions were the first to teach him that he didn't need to keep going the way that he was. There is another way out - he just has to find it.

We've been watching "real people" transform into "characters" as the story has progressed beyond where they finished. I think that the opposite is happening for Yoo Jonghyuk. The more that KDJ pulls us away from the original story and he's forced to react and make his own decisions off of such, the more agency the "character" YJH is going to gain as a person.

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