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So we finally done with the old teacher plot line

I can't believe he took an interesting idea and what could have been a great story and just made it.....boring af

#damian wayne #batman and robin 2023

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OK I understand what you saying and it's wrong

Idk how to make you understand so let's agree on disagree.

In the next chapters it will only show the writer favors Tim more and doesn't give a damn about Damian.

If the otherwise happens then I will be very surprised

After reading Batman 206 #147 and browsing through some online comments, I felt sorry that some thought the story somehow diminished Damian Wayne to highlight Tim Drake.

Speaking as a fan of Tim Drake, I believe he deserves recognition for his merits that have been overlooked for all these years. People reading comics in recent years found Tim useless, and… I get it. It wasn't clear what he was up to; he seemed like an outsider not included in the most important parts of the story. Which… rude, right? With the emergence of Jason and Damian, Tim seemed lost in terms of character development. They brought him back as Robin, but he seemed sidelined, without good writing.

Now, Tim Drake was one of the Robins who

1) chose to be Robin

and

2) uncovered the vigilantes' identities and knew he had to become Robin because Batman needed him as his partner.

It all boils down to this, and the last issue shows how this harmony between Tim and Bruce is crucial. This agreement between a young man who had to work hard because he wasn't a "natural," things didn't come easily to him, yet he persevered.

All of this is to say that I don't understand how this is damaging to Damian Wayne.

Let me explain my point of view: Damian blindly trusts Bruce, his father. And an abused child (by the League) who then grows up in a "healthy" environment (bat-family), where a father loves him… will struggle to find fault even though everyone tells him otherwise.

Sure, Dick is an important figure, and what happened to Jason during Gotham War is a wake-up call. BUT. At the same time, Damian is a fourteen-year-old boy who has finally grown from being that defensive, angry child.

Please, let's acknowledge that his character has had development. And precisely because of this development, he has more trust in Bruce Wayne. HE FEELS SAFE. Sure, he's Robin, and he's a detective, and he's intelligent, but he also trusts his father. And unfortunately, this leads him to make mistakes.

Instead, Tim in canon lies to Batman; he was that kid who wanted evidence first: that's how he discovered Batman, that's how he found out Bruce wasn't dead but lost in time.

It's not bad writing in my opinion. It's not a way to weaken Damian and highlight Tim. No. They are just two different characters who have grown in different ways. So I'm loving how this story is continuing.

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We haven't seen any pov from Damian I don't think that will change

The writer from the begging wanted to make a good batman and robin vs bad batman and robin

And he clearly doesn't know anything about Damian past 2009

Damian in a situation like this would have totally knew failsafe isn't the real batman because

1. Failsafe use a similar method Damian himself used in the TT run and batman didn't like it so Damian, being a detective should have known or at least become suspicious

2. The first time Damian ever shows up in the comics that's happened

It will be weird, unrealistic for Damian and out of character of him not knowing who's his real father is after spending 4 years living with him.

And Damian isn't that obedient Robin who follows everything Bruce says, he also lies to batman he does what he think is right and after all these years all these events he went through It's IMPOSSIBLE for him not to know who's his real father is

After reading Batman 206 #147 and browsing through some online comments, I felt sorry that some thought the story somehow diminished Damian Wayne to highlight Tim Drake.

Speaking as a fan of Tim Drake, I believe he deserves recognition for his merits that have been overlooked for all these years. People reading comics in recent years found Tim useless, and… I get it. It wasn't clear what he was up to; he seemed like an outsider not included in the most important parts of the story. Which… rude, right? With the emergence of Jason and Damian, Tim seemed lost in terms of character development. They brought him back as Robin, but he seemed sidelined, without good writing.

Now, Tim Drake was one of the Robins who

1) chose to be Robin

and

2) uncovered the vigilantes' identities and knew he had to become Robin because Batman needed him as his partner.

It all boils down to this, and the last issue shows how this harmony between Tim and Bruce is crucial. This agreement between a young man who had to work hard because he wasn't a "natural," things didn't come easily to him, yet he persevered.

All of this is to say that I don't understand how this is damaging to Damian Wayne.

Let me explain my point of view: Damian blindly trusts Bruce, his father. And an abused child (by the League) who then grows up in a "healthy" environment (bat-family), where a father loves him… will struggle to find fault even though everyone tells him otherwise.

Sure, Dick is an important figure, and what happened to Jason during Gotham War is a wake-up call. BUT. At the same time, Damian is a fourteen-year-old boy who has finally grown from being that defensive, angry child.

Please, let's acknowledge that his character has had development. And precisely because of this development, he has more trust in Bruce Wayne. HE FEELS SAFE. Sure, he's Robin, and he's a detective, and he's intelligent, but he also trusts his father. And unfortunately, this leads him to make mistakes.

Instead, Tim in canon lies to Batman; he was that kid who wanted evidence first: that's how he discovered Batman, that's how he found out Bruce wasn't dead but lost in time.

It's not bad writing in my opinion. It's not a way to weaken Damian and highlight Tim. No. They are just two different characters who have grown in different ways. So I'm loving how this story is continuing.

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I have a bad memory, what I ment was the nightmare event (forgot its name)

After reading Batman 206 #147 and browsing through some online comments, I felt sorry that some thought the story somehow diminished Damian Wayne to highlight Tim Drake.

Speaking as a fan of Tim Drake, I believe he deserves recognition for his merits that have been overlooked for all these years. People reading comics in recent years found Tim useless, and… I get it. It wasn't clear what he was up to; he seemed like an outsider not included in the most important parts of the story. Which… rude, right? With the emergence of Jason and Damian, Tim seemed lost in terms of character development. They brought him back as Robin, but he seemed sidelined, without good writing.

Now, Tim Drake was one of the Robins who

1) chose to be Robin

and

2) uncovered the vigilantes' identities and knew he had to become Robin because Batman needed him as his partner.

It all boils down to this, and the last issue shows how this harmony between Tim and Bruce is crucial. This agreement between a young man who had to work hard because he wasn't a "natural," things didn't come easily to him, yet he persevered.

All of this is to say that I don't understand how this is damaging to Damian Wayne.

Let me explain my point of view: Damian blindly trusts Bruce, his father. And an abused child (by the League) who then grows up in a "healthy" environment (bat-family), where a father loves him… will struggle to find fault even though everyone tells him otherwise.

Sure, Dick is an important figure, and what happened to Jason during Gotham War is a wake-up call. BUT. At the same time, Damian is a fourteen-year-old boy who has finally grown from being that defensive, angry child.

Please, let's acknowledge that his character has had development. And precisely because of this development, he has more trust in Bruce Wayne. HE FEELS SAFE. Sure, he's Robin, and he's a detective, and he's intelligent, but he also trusts his father. And unfortunately, this leads him to make mistakes.

Instead, Tim in canon lies to Batman; he was that kid who wanted evidence first: that's how he discovered Batman, that's how he found out Bruce wasn't dead but lost in time.

It's not bad writing in my opinion. It's not a way to weaken Damian and highlight Tim. No. They are just two different characters who have grown in different ways. So I'm loving how this story is continuing.

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After reading Batman 206 #147 and browsing through some online comments, I felt sorry that some thought the story somehow diminished Damian Wayne to highlight Tim Drake.

Speaking as a fan of Tim Drake, I believe he deserves recognition for his merits that have been overlooked for all these years. People reading comics in recent years found Tim useless, and… I get it. It wasn't clear what he was up to; he seemed like an outsider not included in the most important parts of the story. Which… rude, right? With the emergence of Jason and Damian, Tim seemed lost in terms of character development. They brought him back as Robin, but he seemed sidelined, without good writing.

Now, Tim Drake was one of the Robins who

1) chose to be Robin

and

2) uncovered the vigilantes' identities and knew he had to become Robin because Batman needed him as his partner.

It all boils down to this, and the last issue shows how this harmony between Tim and Bruce is crucial. This agreement between a young man who had to work hard because he wasn't a "natural," things didn't come easily to him, yet he persevered.

All of this is to say that I don't understand how this is damaging to Damian Wayne.

Let me explain my point of view: Damian blindly trusts Bruce, his father. And an abused child (by the League) who then grows up in a "healthy" environment (bat-family), where a father loves him… will struggle to find fault even though everyone tells him otherwise.

Sure, Dick is an important figure, and what happened to Jason during Gotham War is a wake-up call. BUT. At the same time, Damian is a fourteen-year-old boy who has finally grown from being that defensive, angry child.

Please, let's acknowledge that his character has had development. And precisely because of this development, he has more trust in Bruce Wayne. HE FEELS SAFE. Sure, he's Robin, and he's a detective, and he's intelligent, but he also trusts his father. And unfortunately, this leads him to make mistakes.

Instead, Tim in canon lies to Batman; he was that kid who wanted evidence first: that's how he discovered Batman, that's how he found out Bruce wasn't dead but lost in time.

It's not bad writing in my opinion. It's not a way to weaken Damian and highlight Tim. No. They are just two different characters who have grown in different ways. So I'm loving how this story is continuing.

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Damian doesn't blindly trust batman like run shows. Just the event before that we saw Damian stap Bruce in the chest because he knew it wasn't his real father, so what Changed?

After reading Batman 206 #147 and browsing through some online comments, I felt sorry that some thought the story somehow diminished Damian Wayne to highlight Tim Drake.

Speaking as a fan of Tim Drake, I believe he deserves recognition for his merits that have been overlooked for all these years. People reading comics in recent years found Tim useless, and… I get it. It wasn't clear what he was up to; he seemed like an outsider not included in the most important parts of the story. Which… rude, right? With the emergence of Jason and Damian, Tim seemed lost in terms of character development. They brought him back as Robin, but he seemed sidelined, without good writing.

Now, Tim Drake was one of the Robins who

1) chose to be Robin

and

2) uncovered the vigilantes' identities and knew he had to become Robin because Batman needed him as his partner.

It all boils down to this, and the last issue shows how this harmony between Tim and Bruce is crucial. This agreement between a young man who had to work hard because he wasn't a "natural," things didn't come easily to him, yet he persevered.

All of this is to say that I don't understand how this is damaging to Damian Wayne.

Let me explain my point of view: Damian blindly trusts Bruce, his father. And an abused child (by the League) who then grows up in a "healthy" environment (bat-family), where a father loves him… will struggle to find fault even though everyone tells him otherwise.

Sure, Dick is an important figure, and what happened to Jason during Gotham War is a wake-up call. BUT. At the same time, Damian is a fourteen-year-old boy who has finally grown from being that defensive, angry child.

Please, let's acknowledge that his character has had development. And precisely because of this development, he has more trust in Bruce Wayne. HE FEELS SAFE. Sure, he's Robin, and he's a detective, and he's intelligent, but he also trusts his father. And unfortunately, this leads him to make mistakes.

Instead, Tim in canon lies to Batman; he was that kid who wanted evidence first: that's how he discovered Batman, that's how he found out Bruce wasn't dead but lost in time.

It's not bad writing in my opinion. It's not a way to weaken Damian and highlight Tim. No. They are just two different characters who have grown in different ways. So I'm loving how this story is continuing.

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I hope we'll get something that makes it clear that Bruce also had a major part in the way Damian acted in the first issue.

Damian in this issue acted very much like Bruce does in his solo books since Alfred died and he lost his fortune, which resulted in Bruce neglecting his public persona more and more until he reached a point where being Batman is all he does 24/7.

Bruce could realize that if this kind of behaviour isn't good for Damian then it isn't good for himself either. But for that Zdarsky would need to care about what Williamson is doing in Batman and Robin, which probably won't be the case.

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Something I wanna see in batman and robin 2023 is that Bruce trust Damian more and doesn't keep secrets from him.

Damian deserves this after all he gone through.

#damian wayne #batman and robin

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#damian wayne #gotham war

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I think Damian should have a thing to separate him from the rest of the robins just so we won't get confuse everytime they draw him like Tim

Like a scare on the face or a burn

#damian wayne

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I swear that thing about Damian going to hell was probably just metaphorical and the teen Titans writer just made it canon

#damian wayne

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We have a chance to see Damian having nightmares about hell in knight terrors

That's ofc in case he still scared of going to hell again or if the writer remember that Damian went to hell.

#damian wayne #kinght terrors

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18 year old of age and I still cry.

And for what you may ask?

Because of my future that doesn't fucking exist

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I think The knight terror event is the only way to talk about Respawn situations and they need to mention him. Because I really don't wanna see him or any other character in Batman and Robin book because I want that book to be only about Damian and Bruce relationship

Or at least the first arc about the book will be about that because it's been very very very long time since Damian worked in gotham with his father.

#batman and robin #damian wayne

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What's more annoying is the people on Twitter who are just brain dead at this point because they just don't care about the character it seems and they treat the canon just like fanon which just makes me wonder if they actually liked Damian in the first place

We just can't win it seems. On one hand Damian's life in the league is constantly described as strict, extremely demanding, full of discipline and so on to shit on the al Ghuls and portray them as evil and cold-hearted.

But then they also reduce it to "yeah, Damian was totally spoiled and never had to do anything he didn't want to in his life, what a lazy pompous brat"

That doesn't fit together? We are supposed to hate the al Ghuls for what they did to Damian, but if you want to shit on Damian you act like they spoiled him like a prince when he was with them "but now he's in the real world, so suck it brat"?

Either Damian was taught discipline and was forced to do lots of things he didn't want to do or he wasn't. Pick one. You can't do both.

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If this daughter of Wonder Woman isn't even born yet and Damian suggests this when she's five that means Damian is at least 19 if not 20 years old when this happens.

I think at that age Damian should be mature and smart enough to know on his own that this is a stupid idea. Like can we please not write adult Damian like ten year old Damian? Especially if it once again only happens so a white character can tell him about the error of his ways.

It's really annoying.

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i can't with fanon tim i hate everything about it. that he is addicted to coffee, that he's murder happy, that janet was a bitch, that jason was his robin, that titans tower thing, that 'poor tim everybody hurts him' but at the same time everyone is scared of him??? cause he's also better than everyone????, that dick wanted to send him to arkham, etc.