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al redesign

i dont know how he gets his antlers out of that hat but he does look dashing in it

also he does have hooves and those deer leg things its just hidden in his pants

as well as the tail

also was debating on giving him giganormous pupils to make him a little more deerlike

settled on this for now

i feel like i might want to change the colors in the future but everything else im fine with

also put a bit of radio symbols on his cloths and stuff hope its obvious,,ish :p

also i think i just saw two other redesigns rn that had both the microphone shape and the eye i swear i didnt try to copy yall😞😞😞😞

#hazbin hotel redesign #hazbin hotel #alastor #alastor finally got that haircut #now he's bonita

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can you drawed the lebians,, (charlie and vaggie)

OF COURSE!! I love these two sm

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Can I request transgender hazbin. You are one of the few ppl I see that headcanon alastor being trans

I wasn’t exactly sure what you meant, so here, more trans Alastor 💥💥💥

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I really don't like Lucifer. He gets forgiven way too easily for neglecting his child, basically here's what he does in his introduction episode

It was confirmed he only calls Charlie when he needs something or is bored

Got angry at one of her friends for just acting like a friend

Made it very clear that he does not support her dream

"Oh wait actually I tried to do that to me, and since it didn't work for me, it won't work for you."

Treated Charlie like she was some fragile child who needed to be protected "I'll shelter and adore you more than anything"

"Haha never mind I support your dream after we sang a song!" Then Charlie just instantly forgives him???

Then he cheered Charlie up, but also invalidated her feelings after a war "Hey little lady, why the frown?"

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Hazbin fans: "Charlie looks nice but she could also be mean🥺🥺"

Also Charlie: refuses to help angel dust from Valentino cause she thought she was being "too mean" although being extremely powerful as Lucifer (and y'all know how powerful he is, mf could be at his bald ass in a sitting) and during the finale she is constantly saying "sorry sorry sorry" as she kills exorcists, like be for real they'll probably respawn in heaven or some shit they're all ready dead 💀💀💀

As much as I like Charlie she is not badass and takes way too much time to actually help people cause when she's actually supposed to take things seriously it's supposedly "rude and mean"

Wow, great writing Viv...

The sad part is that pilot Charlie wasn't like this.

Like girl was willing to throw hands with Katie Killjoy lmao, GIVE ME BACK PILOT CHARLIE!!!!

#I AGREE 100% #HOLYYY FUCCCC

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Holy shit the amount of hb fans saying brandon calling via a slut and an obstacle to the main toxic uwu couple as a harmless joke rubs to the wrong way. If this means to be a joke then it has to be the worst one I've ever heard. Seeing my cousins growing up in a dysfunction family which their parents divorced just makes me can't take this as any form of humour. They need to seperate brandon's skit from this show. The show wants to take via's problem seriously so to suddenly make this joke in favor for shippers is awful.

Speaking as someone who has divorced parents, seeing a teenage girl suffering from divorce and neglect from her father be called a "slut" and "cockblocking" because she DARED get mad at her POS father is kind of insulting. I don't CARE if It's a "joke", it's not funny.

Octavia has every right to be angry at Stolas for neglecting her in favor of his fuck-buddy, she's not "cockblocking". Stolas directly hurt Octavia yet SHE'S the one people are getting angry at??? WTF???

Again, as someone who suffered through divorce, this isn't funny, it's insulting and simply shows how the writers (and the fans) demonize all three of the people most hurt by Stolas' actions. Stella? She was just an abusive bitch to begin with. Blitz? Pffft, he only hates Stolas for being a prince. OCTAVIA? She should "cut her dad some slack" cuz he's "trying his best" and is just a cockblocking slut.

It's genuinely gross and in Octavia's case downright disgusting. These people refuse to actually look at things from these characters' perspectives and instead treat them as the spawn of literal satan cuz god forbid Stolas be held accountable for ANYTHING in this show and god forbid that ANYONE calls him out for his shit. For Stella, it's at least justified since she...isn't a good person. The other two though?

Ya, no. Blitz deserves a better boyfriend and Octavia deserves a better father. And I'm SICK of people pretending otherwise.

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I don't support chai but this video brought me a lot of concern and thought this needed to be shared around in the critical community

bro... This is absolutely disgusting how blitzos v/a is acting. I get that Viv and Brandon hate Octavia and give her some of the worst development and are very biased towards stolitz but this is disgusting. He even calls Octavia who's a minor a sl*t like I swear to God shut the fu*CK up.

https://www.tumblr.com/chaifootsteps/748486696635613184/jesus-fucking-christ-puke-bucket-please?source=share

Jesus. The girl is suffering from neglect from her god-awful father and has to go through divorce and THIS is how the writers treat her???

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It's funny that the hazbin fanbase has decided Stella is evil and abusive and that despite nothing in canon suggesting it, that she also hates Octavia.

And its funny because as a child of divorce, she seems to me more like a mother furious that her husband is abandoning her daughter for a sexual fling with a man who doesn't even care about him. Like she's accepted that he's gay and that he's probably had male lovers before during their relationship and that she's his beard but now he's asking for a divorce so he can be with a man who doesn't even want him.

Like she knew about his thing with Blitzo and let it slide because he was still there for Octavia and it didn't really affect her but now hes going to traumatize their daughter for no other reason than his own selfish desires.

Hell, throwing all that out the window, maybe shes furious because she's scared. We don't know any goetia lore (thanks Viv) and since they seem to function like old European royalty, maybe Stella and Octavia will be punished or disowned or even killed because Stolas divorcing her means she loses her social standing, power and worth. Maybe they'll be thrown to the streets and have to fend for themselves without any money, friends or places to go, with sinners and hellborns who might want them dead around every corner.

Either way, Stella just. She comes off as a mother to me. A mother who hurts for her daughter, a mother who wants what's best for her, a mother who's scared for her, a mother who sees that her child needs her father and is repeatedly, constantly and intentionally cast aside for a man who wouldn't care at all about her father if he wasn't holding something over his head.

Sorry this is so long lol

I think the reason why people think that she hates Octavia is because the Stella we have right now is already an incredibly one-note asshole. The show itself never bothered giving any nuance to her character so why would the fans? That being said, I wish we got to actually know her relationship with Octavia.

Does she care about Octavia? Does she love Octavia? Or does she not give two shits about Octavia? We don't know.

And I don't think we ever will. It just sucks seeing how little nuance Stella has as a character, the show made her into a one-note abuser just to make Stolas look more sympathetic and so it can use her as a scapegoat for his flaws.

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Octavia: “I just don’t like it my father neglects me in favor of the imp guy that he’s cheating and it leads to my mom to fight with him” Brandon, Viv, and most of shippers: “Wow you are a stupid, annoyed whore, die!” Octavia: “I am 17 year old” Wow this is just hate towards female characters for being in way of gay ships huh?

The way the writers and the fandom demonize all three of the characters who were the most hurt by Stolas’ actions whenever they get rightfully mad him in order to try and make Stolas look more sympathetic is kinda gross…?

Like they’ll instantly take Stolas’ side and completely ignore all of his bad actions to paint him as an UwU soft boy and demonize any character that DARES hold him accountable for his actions while neglecting looking at this situation from their perspective.

For Octavia it’s especially bad because this girl suffering from neglect and divorce who has done NOTHING wrong is being called a “slut” and treating as a monster from the rest of the fanbase.

Octavia deserves to be in a better show man.

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do you think alastor didn't really know Husk at all when he went to his casino and just decided to nab his soul cuz he saw husk and though oh ive always wanted a cat

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Let me just say; Velvette is the best antagonist in all of Hellaverse. You want to know why?....

BECAUSE SHE HAS AN ACTUAL PERSONALITY!!!

One of my biggest issues with Hellaverse's antagonists is that they all just one-dimensional assholes with little to no depth beyond "assholes who like swearing". In a franchise with so many antagonists like that, Velvette SUCH a breath of fresh air.

Velvette is bratty, arrogant and smug but she's also cunning and smart, as shown in the respectless musical number where she's able to tell that Carmilla is hiding something just by observing her. She's this bitch that does not respect people with higher authority to her and does whatever she pleases. She's actually fun to watch unlike Viv's other antagonists because she's ACTUALLY INTERESTING!!!

She actually has more depth than just being a one-dimensional asshole, she has a real personality that's entertaining to watch. And I'm just like. WHY AREN'T ALL OF VIV'S ANTAGONISTS LIKE THIS???? Why can't we have more antagonists in these shows like Velvette? Characters with actual depth beyond just being one-dimensional assholes? She's literally everything I ever wanted out of an antagonist from these shows and more! Why can't Viv's other antagonists be more like her???

...wait, episode 3, the episode that Velvette gets the spotlight in...isn't written by Viv or Adam...

....so that explains it.

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Top 5 Best & Worst Characters in Hellaverse

So, for the most part, Hellaverse has pretty meh to bad characters. Buuuuut, there are a few decent/good ones, so, just for fun, let's go over the top 5 best AND worst characters in Hellaverse (in my opinion).

5. (Worst) Stella

So Stella. Stella, Stella, Stella...you had so much potential to be interesting...but you just...aren't. Just for the record I don't think making Stella abusive is a retcon since it doesn't contradict any of her past behavior in season 1 minus like...one background painting.

That's not really my problem with Stella being abusive. My problem is that it makes her boring and the show does that as a way to woobify Stolas. Really not much to say, she's just...boring.

5. (Best) Octavia

It's pretty funny how Octavia is pretty much the most beloved character in the critical community. She's both decently likable and is a bit interesting when you look at her, as she's a girl who was negatively affected by her fathers' actions and is dealing with the negative changes that have happened to her due to her parents always arguing...

...also her father is Stolas so she is therefore the most sympathetic character by default. Really, there aren't that many good characters in either Hazbin or Helluva, and Octavia isn't an amazing character, she only appears in like, two episodes, but she's still fine by herself and is one of Viv's better characters.

4. (Worst) Charlie

I already made a full post about the issues with my problems with Charlie as a character so I won't once again go very deeply here. You're probably wondering why Charlie is even here to begin with since I stated that I don't exactly hate her.

...well, just because I don't hate a character doesn't really mean I like that character. A majority of Hazbin's characters have similar problems of not being that developed at all and the development they do have often feels rushed. The reason why I put Charlie as the 4th worst character in Hellaverse is because, well, out of every character in Hazbin's main cast...Charlie is just kind of the one with the biggest issues.

Again, I already talked about my issues with Charlie in my post about her but just to recap; Charlie suffers from being heavily underdeveloped, she isn't a very compelling protagonist and has 0 growth throughout the show. She learns absolutely nothing. Her mentality is never once challenged by the narrative and she is always portrayed as right and anyone who disagrees with her is automatically wrong, and she also feels heavily overshadowed by the rest of the cast despite being the main character.

Charlie is also not the best person at times like some people have pointed out (she KNOWS THAT ANGEL IS BEING ABUSED and she chooses not to do anything about it. Wow, what a great friend), and overall she kinda sucks as a protagonist.

4. (Best) Lucifer

I've seen Lucifer gain a lot of flak from people with them calling him a bad person and it's not entirely unjustified. I can definitely understand why it may be hard to sympathize with the guy who literally greenlit annual genocides of his own people because he thought that they deserved death.

Not to mention him calling Charlie a "failure" in the pilot which is just...never addressed here. Also it's fairly weird that despite Lucifer being the sin of pride...he isn't really prideful of anything...? So ya, there a few issues with Lucifer as a character.

In spite of that though, I don't think that Lucifer is a particularly bad character. If anything, he's actually one of the more well-developed of the main cast and he has an arc that's decently compelling...?

He initially started out as a dreamer, someone with many creative and imaginative ideas for Heaven, but his ideas were always rejected and he was seen as a troublemaker by the elders of Heaven.

After he was cast down to Hell as punishment for accidentally letting evil seep into the world, he lost his will to dream and fell into depression, having a heavily cynical view of Heaven and Hell due to his past experiences. He closes himself off and doesn't stay in contact with his loved ones, mainly his daughter due to his depression. He tries convincing Charlie into his cynical views because he doesn't want his own daughter to face the same crushing rejection he faced.

However, he reconnects with his daughter and brings back a spark in him that was lost long ago, and he promises to support Charlie and her dreams, despite his depression not immediately disappearing.

Admittedly that part is pretty rushed, like Charlie just says "but dad...mah people!!!!" and he's just like "ok". Again, it's not perfect and has some small issues, but compared to most of Hazbin and Helluva's other characters, Lucifer's arc is far more well-developed and is interesting in it's own right. If anything, Lucifer thinking that his people deserve death simply shows his cynical mindset that he's had for years, and Charlie's able to bring back that dreamer that was crushed long ago.

So ya. Lucifer is not amazing, but I like him. He's neat.

3. (Worst) Chaz

Chaz sucks. Chaz is a character that only exists just to make a bunch of unfunny sex jokes and nothing else. He is completely one-dimensional and is nothing more than a walking sex joke. And his "jokes" aren't even remotely funny.

I really don't have much to even say about Chaz. He's just THAT one-note.

3. (Best) Velvvette

I've talked about my thoughts on Velvvette before so I won't go too in depth here again. Buuut needless to say I think she's probably my favorite character in hellaverse. She's one of the few antagonists Viv's made that's actually entertaining and fun to watch, with a well-developed and charismatic personality that's not just "asshole who swears a lot". She isn't the best character in hellaverse though, but she has far more depth as a character compared to most of the other antagonists.

2. (Worst) Adam

I've spoken about my thoughts on Adam before multiple times so at this point I don't know if I have anything left to say about him. Adam is a boring, one-dimensional character with very little depth or personality as a character. He only exists just to be a pure straw character so he can be proven wrong by Charlie.

He can't have any real depth as a character because he only exists just to be torn down by the story. Again, already talked about that in a previous post so I won't go too in-depth here, but needless to say...ya, Adam still sucks.

2. (Best) Alastor

Like Lucifer, I've seen Alastor gain a heavy amount of criticism but personally, like Lucifer, I think Alastor is one of the better characters in the main cast. The has a sense of mystery and intrigue to him that makes him pretty interesting as a character. You're left wondering what his whole deal is & what he's planning.

That combined with Alastor's charisma makes him an entertaining antagonist for the show. He's one of the few characters that I'm interested in to see what they do with in the next season. So ya, I like Alastor...

Now time to get to a character that makes me want to punch myself in the face.

1. (Worst) Stolas

.....Honeslty what can even be said about Stolas that hasn't already been said? I've made so many posts complaining about this stupid owl and you already know my opinion of him at this point. If you really want to know every single critique of Stolas I have, read every post I've made that's tagged "anti stolas". But...I'll just say this.

Stolas could have been a good character. Hell, he could have been the show's BEST character. He had all the potential to be super interesting and compelling character with a great arc...but instead, Viv decided to completely retcon everything season 1 established in order to try and make Stolas an UwU soft boy the show REALLY wants us to sympathize for, in spite of Stolas being a bad person.

I'm sorry if I can't sympathize with the guy who SA's an lower class imp for his own pleasure and frequently neglects his own daughter and pays more attention to st. imp. And, as an artificial way to make Stolas sympathetic, the narrative has to wipe away any actual flaws he has and demonize any character that even remotely gets upset at his actions (which I talk about here), because god forbid we hold Stolas accountable for ANYTHING right? We have to coddle and absolve him of ALL his mistakes despite his flaws being what made him interesting in the first place.

Stolas NEVER grows or develops as a character because of this and so he has basically no character arc. Not only is he a poorly written mess of a character...he's also just BORING now. There's nothing interesting about him anymore, he's just an UwU sad sack. He had so much potential to be interesting but that potential was completely wasted in favor of this bullshit.

And THAT's what makes Stolas SO FRUSTRATING. Really, he pretty much represents HB, and, to an extent, all of Hellaverse as a whole; it started out good with a lot of interesting ideas and potential but through bad writing, all of that potential got squandered and now we're just left with a completely disappointing mess.

Stolas is the worst character in the show because he's the only one who legitimately FRUSTERATES me. He's my least favorite character in all of fiction and a complete mess.

1. (Best) Sera

I already talked about Sera before in a previous post so I won’t go too in depth here, but Sera is one of hellaverse’ better antagonists for having more depth and nuance as a character. She’s the head seraphim of Heaven and greenlit exterminations in order to protect Heaven….and Emily.

In spite of that though, she clearly doesn’t want to do this and is only doing it because she wanted to try and protect her people, and Emily, who she clearly cares deeply for as her older sister. She’s a lot more compelling as a character that most of hellaverse’ antagonists, not being good or evil but rather morally grey, having nuances to her as a character.

To me, Sera is the best character in all of Hellaverse because she's the one with the most nuance and depth compared to 90% of Viv's other characters, especially her antagonists. She actually has REAL DEPTH and complexities to her that make her a lot more interesting compared to most of Viv's characters. Hell, most of the characters in the best list are put there BECAUSE they are just more developed than most of the other characters (which just shows how bad Viv is at character writing)

Like Alastor, she's one of the few characters that I am interested in seeing what they do next with season 2, as she is likely going to get a redemption there. Well just have to see. But for now, Sera is the best character in all of Hellaverse.

So...ya...that was my top 5 best and worst characters in Hellaverse...

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I can't blame people for accidentally drawing Alastor as white, considering that he doesn't have any ethnic features to indicate that he's black. Many people have drawn him as white because they couldn't tell he was black. Sure, there are white-passing black people, but this wasn't Vivziepop's intention.

She only made Alastor black because she thought it would justify her inappropriate usage of Voodoo, and nothing more.

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What gets me with Vel is that we see she has a good rapport with her coworkers/friends. She may sometimes roll her eyes at the other two and their antics and of course when her direct business gets interrupted she gets frustrated, but we mostly see her on good grounds with the rest of the Vees. They respect her when it comes to serious business and in that last scene of the season they all look to be very much on the same page and in it together, smiling about their future... yet fanon (if it isn't infantalizing her as you've pointed out) is constantly projecting "angry black woman" stereotypes onto her.

It's gross and in my opinion clearly racially motivated that they see her as nothing more than a "bitchy" woman of color. While the fanon I've seen also has separate gross issues with Vox and Val they are at least allowed some nuance on occasion, but I just don't ever see that with Vel, she's just an angry woman rendered to the background in their eyes stripped completely of her professionalism, intellect, and cunning. She's one of my faves and it sucks so bad to see.

Hi. :) I wrote 5 paragraphs in response to this question and Tumblr so graciously decided to delete fucking all of it. :)

The Hazbin Hotel fandom has a serious racism problem and not enough people are talking about it. Aside from the infantilization of Velvette, other BIPOC characters are put into stupid stereotypes or treated like children because either Vivzie can’t handle writing competently or the fandom doesn’t know how to behave themselves. This is especially apparent for the women, but—and this is probably the only time I will talk about him in this way—Valentino is also suffering from this shitass issue.

Firstly about Velvette, just like how this said, Velvette used to be treated like a child in canon (now fanon) and is being portrayed as only a sassy angry black woman by the fandom. This is disgusting! I don’t think I need to say that! For some reason (misogyny) the Hazbin fandom just has this thing where they take a POC person or a woman—usually both—and decide to treat them like a child. Best examples being Niffty and Velvette being portrayed as Angel & Husk’s and Vox & Valentino’s children. Niffty is 22 and Velvette is in her 30’s. And of course they are both POC. I know there’s going to be someone accusing me of just whining about racism or being like “not everything is about race” but shut the fuck up because I’m busy talking.

I think the best scene to depict Velvette’s character—even though she hardly has any scenes. It shows that she will and can respect her colleagues but for other people, you either need to give her something she wants or her respect needs to be earned. She literally sings a whole song about it.

For other characters like Niffty I have a post for her in the works so I won’t spill it all here, but I can’t in good faith talk about the racism problem without mentioning Valentino. The fact Vivzie has made her worst character into the basic tall hot hispanic/latino man with the hot spanish accent stereotype. Honestly this sort of stereotype doesn’t bother me much, there’s a few villain characters I like with it like Alejandro from TDI, but Vivzie making this a big aggressive and dangerous POC person abusing a sad little white guy just grosses me out. It’s not like the situation would be any better if Angel wasn’t white, but it really does just leave that extra sour taste in my mouth.

Also I don’t need to explain why 90% of the POC cast being fucking grey or purple or blue is bad right.

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Vivziepop pretends she's sex-positive but treats being sexually active as a "flaw" that needs to be corrected or deserves to be insulted in both of her shows.

A good example is Angel, who’s torn down for being a drug-addicted, abused sex worker. Charlie, who’s supposed to be the epitome of “moral goodness” and his redeemer, is uncomfortable with discussing sex. In Angel’s comic, she’s too embarrassed to even say that he’s a sex worker and tries to avoid speaking about it. In episode 4 of the show, Charlie expresses interest in his sex work once, but that’s it, never speaking about his job or Valentino’s abuse ever again. She’s too afraid of speaking about Angel’s life as a sex worker and treats it as an embarrassing aspect of him. 

In the song “Loser, Baby,” he is insulted for being an abused sex worker who uses drugs to cope with his trauma and how he needs to realize he’s a “loser” like everyone in Hell with his abuse minimized and blamed on him. Instead of building Angel up and wanting him to do better, he’s mocked and told to lower his self-esteem and to quit making a big fuss over being physically and sexually abused by Valentino. The worst part is how he embraces this and is convinced that he’s a loser. 

Vivziepop wants Angel to be a confident sex worker who enjoys sex and is proud of his sexuality. However, she ridicules him for his confidence and for abusing drugs to cope with his abuse. So far, Angel’s redemption has just been tearing him down and making him feel guilty for who he is and his trauma. Vivziepop is only fine with making her characters sexual when she finds it arousing, funny, or needs it to sell merch but other than that, she finds it repulsive to be like this. 

You can’t claim to be sex positive but treat being sexually active and loving sex as if it's a horrible flaw that needs to be fixed or should be shamed.  

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i fuckgin hate vox's stupid little top hat but ive gotten so used to it and he feels undressed without it but its so stupid its got a random chance of being completely flat it could be a round top hat on his flat head is it holding his antennas in place?? Is that uncomfortable??? Is it glued on??? Why does he have a hat. Does he even have antennas or are they a part of the hat. And will we ever know

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I feel like they should have introduced all the characters in different episodes rather then jumping straight into it with the heaven story line- it feels like something that should have been in a possible season 2. Buts it’s clear this whole thing was just rushed when it shouldn’t have been.

It really would have benefited greatly and we would have ACTUALLY gotten to know these characters well during their stay at the hazbin hotel. Hell, perhaps would could have seen some slow improvements from the main cast that would warrant access to heaven. And we could actually see characters bond and also warrant these friendships that they very clearly rushed.

There is also a way to make the pacing work with only eight episodes per season, though we have to split it into two eight-episode-long seasons. Episodes 1-4 can be in Season 1 and 5-8 can be in Season 2. That leaves eight more episodes to develop the characters' arcs and so the pacing could be a lot better.

We could also have to reorder some of the episodes in season 1 too. I don't know why Viv shoved all of this into the first season when she could have saved all the stuff for the second half of the show for Season 2 which she KNEW she was getting.