#ANYWAY it happens altho it's more common during some periods than others

[cyprinoides]

romeo et juliette costumes

at some point people on the retj discord were talking abt how the costumes are just chucked somewhere in the time space continuum and now I’m apparently analysing where in time those costumes are from so read my findings under the cut

ok so first up we have Guilietta’s white dress from the dvd version.

if we’re going by decade I’d say her dress is 1800s esque because it appears to be made of light, delicate fabric and has a long skirt train. As well as this, the silhouette is slender and the 1790s were a transition period from the wigs and bum rolls so by the 1800s, the silhouette was different. idk if you can see it in the photo but the waist is high and the bodice is short which was also typical for the decade. Of course, there’s many aspects of this costume that doesn’t match up, for example there is no corset and no sleeves. Corsets were still very much a thing as it gave u the nice waist, supported women’s upper bodies and helped their posture (as opposed to the belief that D: corsets bad it crush my ribs :,( bc that was men shitting on women’s fashion choices, a thing that occurred again when the crinoline was introduced) and sleeves were generally elbow length. I’m not even gonna talk about hair or makeup or whatever because that would be d i f f i c u l t

next we got mercuzio also with the dvd costume

alright so i’d place this one like early 1830s somewhere in Europe idk. During this time people were getting a bit more flamboyant with fancy patterns and layered fabric because imported fabric was chic and cool which I guess is represented in this costume (??) Anyway, the collar is high and the waist is cinched which resembles the silhouette for men basically throughout the 1800s, the only differences being length of coats and position of the waist. In the 1830s, the waist was low but still higher than ur natural waist which is the same case in this costume. u cant see it very clearly but the edges of the shirt is padded which also happened in the 1830s but was more common with the hem of women’s dresses. 

in this photo you can see that the trousers are long and bunched at the ankles and the sleeve is thicc at the shoulder which are both accurate to the decade. Now for inaccuracies, uhh there’s only 1 sleeve and he’s wearing a belt which were only created in the 1900s. Also, its a bit too slutty for lack of better explanation and he kinda looks like what movies tell you pirates wore (altho jack sparrows costume from pirates of the Caribbean was tailored to johnny depp’s imagination and flamboyant tendencies).

now we have 2010 Juliette’s costume

I honestly don’t really know but if I had to place it I think her dress is late 1830s in western europe - there was so much shit going on in that decade so early 1830s and late 1830s are hella different. Firstly, the waist is in the natural position which only came to fashion in the late 1830s and the bodice is pointy. Also I think her dress was floor length ish which would’ve been accurate but i can’t remember lmao. Also, its minimalist both in design and colour and has narrow, long sleeves which was a result of Queen Victoria coming to rule in 1837 and making modesty and minimalism cool. And for inaccuracies... there is no corset or big skirt and crinoline and the sleeves are off shoulder ???

onto 2010 and tour Meructio’s costume (the coat stuff goes for Romeo and Benvolio’s long coats as well btw)

Aight so this costume is pretty 1830s but specifically French. The coat resembles the greatcoat - which was a coat for being awesome and to be worn over ur other stuff and another tailcoat or waistcoat - because of the length and lining. The trousers are long and bunched at the ankle which hints at early 1830s and before u ask I’m not gonna talk about colour either because Im lazy lmao. The polo underneath may seem inaccurate at first but it could pass as what men of that time considered to be part of their under wear (similar to a woman’s chemise). The length of the sleeves is correct and the wrists are cinched (altho you cant see it in this picture but look at a video of je reve or smth and you’ll see) the cuffs of the shirt are also longer than the coat and when they’re longer than standard they were considered as ‘french cuffs’. 

here’s a photo of typical french 1830s greatcoats before I get into the inaccuraces. Alright so men’s coats - as you can see in the above picture) have volume to the skirt because that was the in fashion silhouette at the time but in the costume it is flat, the belt is there to perhaps give the waist shape but belts weren’t invented in the 1830s and the position of the belt is lower than men’s clothes were waisted at the time. Moving onto the shirt, it should have ruffles and the collar should be up and the sleeve hole where the shoulders are attached were very low in the 1830s so as to fit beneath coat sleeves but as you’ll notice (if you find another photo where he’s not wearing the coat) the shoulder is not that low. As well as this there’s no cravat and although the sleeves are the correct length in the coat, it has a rly big triangle cut? Also, since the shirt would’ve been considered as underlayers, it was scandalous and improper for those to be seen in public (but does it really count as an inaccuracy if its kinda in character?)

And now we have 2010 and tour Tybalt costume

This costume is 1830s Britain i guess??? So the coat resembles a sporting coat because of the length which was generally around knee height because you’d be hunting or riding horses and stuff in it. British hunting coats in particular were commonly red (I know its bc Capulets but it supports my fashion analysis) so you wouldn’t accidentally shoot ur friend when your out hunting in the woods together. Again the trousers are the right length for the 1830s and the shirt would be the underlayers. The shirt buttons are also the correct size for that time and the weird back collar thing was common for coats bc they were warm and were like very mini capes. And altho that thing on his waist looks weird it could actually be considered as a cummerbund which served the some of the same purposes as women’s corsets but was smaller - here’s a photo of a period accurate one

inaccuracy time! there are no buttons on the coat and no snatched waist. I don’t really want to write it again but its the same case with the shirt and the collar as Mercutio’s costume although in Tybalt’s costume the collar is buttoned up all the way so it looks higher and resembles more 1820s undershirts meaning that the lack of ruffles would be accurate.

And that’s all for now maybe I’ll make a part 2. Hope you enjoyed and plz help me figure out when all these costumes are

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[naernon]

OC Questionnaire - Estryon Thramian

Found this in my drafts, and decided to finish off what I had to distract from the tediousness of trying to decide what to do with the aspect of his backstory mentioned earlier. I filled this out according to how he was at the very start/before the events of Skyrim, unless stated to be what happens later on.

Feel free to use this for your own OCs, I don’t mind.

TW; Mentions of pregnancy (of a trans man). Also, some NSFW implications.

GENERAL

Name: Estryon Thramian

Alias(es): Estre is a little nickname Ondolemar took to using later on. Arelnian, the parent who carried him and the only one he met (they died when he was two, his father died prior to his birth), also called him this. It is also his birth-name. Perhaps a bit of projection on my part. I don’t mind my birth-name. (altho it could just be because if i do mind it, i’m in for bad time from it)

Gender: Male.

Age: 25 years old.

Place of birth: Sunhold, Summerset Isle.  Or rather, Alinor. Morning Star 19th, 4E 176 (The Ritual)

Spoken languages: Tamrielic and Altmeri. Unsure exactly how native languages vs the common tongue works in TES, but I’ll just assume/HC it’s either like Latin (commonly taught but not used in every-day conversation) or just very secondary compared to Tamrielic. So that’s the status on his knowledge of Altmeri. Also had a minor interest in Ayleidoon when he was younger, so he knows some basic vocab, but not too much. Like you know how some people go through HS and take the entirety of Spanish/German/Whichever for the full four years and as soon as they graduated they forgot all of it? That’s Estryon with Ayleidoon.

Sexual orientation: Gay.

Occupation: Thalmor agent. Mainly used in assassinations and to stoke the conflict in the Skyrim Civil War by framing (in murder, accusations of law-breaking, etc.), propaganda, etc. Prior to that, as I’ve recently elaborated, he was a member of a elite force in Summerset called the Accipiters. They’re, as said, are similar to the First AD’s Eyes of the Queen, except with more brutality and tendency to murder. They are charged with cutting down all heresy and resistance against the Thalmor in the Isles through more silent and undercover tactics. Through whatever course of events I settle with, he is suspended and demoted within the Accipiters and sent to Skyrim to work as, again, a basic Thalmor agent for the time being. It’s not like he’s put into a useless job. Thalmor forces in Skyrim, according to this , are rather stretched thin, and with someone as combat skilled as Estryon, his work is much, much needed. Doesn’t mean he likes it, though. He hates it.

APPEARANCE

Eye color: Vibrant yellow/amber.

Hair color: Pale cream/blonde color.

Height: 6′ to 6′3/4. Haven’t decided.

Scars: Slight slashes/cuts on his right cheek and a scar on his right bicep. Likes to use… risky methods in his assassinations because he’s a dumbass and that has given him a few severely close calls on fatal weak spots; there’s a medium-length scar across his left abdomen, a shallow, light scar on his collarbone (was an attempt at his heart), and a few small ones on his thighs.

Burns: No major ones, but a lot of little burn marks because 1.) He sucks at cooking and 2.) Little mishaps in destruction magic usage.

Overweight: No.

Underweight: No.

FAVOURITE

Color: Yellow.

Hair color: He likes lighter hair colors but it’s not a huge factor.

Eye color: Yellow, but as said, not too much of a preference.

Entertainment: Horse-back riding. Causing general issues and difficulty for those around him. Taking care of horses. This man really likes horses. He also has a fondness for burning different stuff he finds, some of that stuff being important shit to someone other than him. There’s one major entertainment he commits to a lot but I’ll leave that unmentioned for modesty’s sake.

Pastime: This dude really does not do a lot to entertain himself other than [censored]. He spends a lot of time meandering and wandering and just.. being there. Either that or he rapidly switches between different pastimes because he can’t stay with one for the life of him. (he gets bored very, very easily) But. If anything, as said, he likes to experiment with magic and alchemy, and he loves horseback-riding and taking pleasure rides. This easy tendency towards boredom leads to recklessness and an unhealthy lust for thrill and adventure.

Food: As typical of Sunhold natives, he gravitates towards sea-food and he likes crab. Not typical mudcrabs from just anywhere, however. As is common knowledge, there are a lot of different varieties of Mudcrabs and there’s one particular off the coast of Sunhold that is high-demand and very flavorful. But other than that, he has a guilty sweet tooth in general, and he B U S  T S  A  N U T for vanilla ice cream.

Drink: He’s boring. He just likes water. He enjoys some lighter alcohol, though,  and perhaps some tea, but again. Water.

Books: Enjoys magic studies and books. Doesn’t like a lot of heavy-information stuff other than that, though, but he does like a bunch of light interests like aromatics and alchemy. He has Arelnian and their large array of aromatic/alchemy books + store to thank for those two interests.

HAVE THEY

Passed university: Yes.

Had sex: Pft. Yeah.

Had sex in public: Depends. Like, straight up banging in like, a marketplace? Nah.

Gotten pregnant: No. Not during the events of Skyrim, at least. Not until much later.

Kissed a man: Yes.

Kissed a woman: Yes, once or twice.

Gotten tattoos: Yes. Little ones. He has an eagle wing on each side of each of his ankles, and the Dominion emblem on the back of his neck. All hurt like Hell (especially the Dominion emblem one) and he’s kind of halted off of getting any after that.

Gotten piercings: Ear piercings, yeah. He typically likes small gold hoops or little jewels, but he tends to go through long periods of time where he doesn’t have any in.

Been in love: Yes.

Had a broken heart: Oof. Yeah.

Stayed up for more than 24 hours: Yes. He oftentimes has trouble sleeping. Has been that way since he was little, according to Ohtehil, at least.

ARE THEY

A virgin: Pft. No.

A cuddler: Not really, but, I mean. He’s not beyond it. He’s just not a very personal person in general.

A kisser: Yes.

A smoker: Not frequently, no.

Scared easily: Not typically, and even if he is, he takes care to not show it. He might flinch and recoil and you can get a little bit of a gasp from him but other than that, no. Unless it’s something incredibly outlandish or unnatural or… terrifying. Like a dragon. A large, ebony black dragon with red eyes flying from the mountains and passing over you, rumbling the ground and triggering all your fight or flight instincts. Yeah. Kinda scary. (but even then all he did was dive out of sight and hide underneath a little rock overhang. he may have taken a bit of a tumble in the process but i’ll have you know his cold altmeri exterior ™ was still in-tact)

Jealous easily: Gods, yes. He wouldn’t let that be known, however.

Trustworthy: Absolutely Not

Dominant: In terms of personality, yeah. He hates being told what to do, he thrives on spiting others, and while he is quite reserved and quiet he still manages to be…. over-bearing and dominant. He has three very particular methods of getting what he wants and one of them is a glare that could kill and keeping all words to the minimum, while also having those words cut sharp. Does that make sense? He’s one of those people that just have an overpowering presence without the need to speak. That’s one reason he doesn’t have a lot of friends, really. Anyways. One other method is straight-up killing whoever he wishes to and the other… Well. If you’re talking dominance in bed, he adapts to what is needed, wanted, or what he’s in the mood for. Whatever leaves his target vulnerable to a swift kill, framing, or easy investigation of possible heresy/conspiracy. So yes, actually, I guess he is dominant. Quite so.

Submissive: In any other context other than the Spicee (tm) one, no, not really. If in that context, then, only if he wishes to be.

Single: Yes, no committal relationship until later. Although, there was one earlier, but I haven’t developed it completely. I’ll give a little peek. It was with Thalmor Agent Sanyon. That dead Thalmor, at a Talos shrine? Yeah. High-school sweethearts, if you will. Estryon finding Sanyon’s body at the shrine, or rather, going there at all ultimately sets the course of the events of the main questline. That little event, along with Ohtehil’s little ‘turn-into-a-werewolf-and-slaughter-all-your-colleagues’ theatrical go hand-in-hand in starting it all. Estryon finding Sanyon dead would not have happened at all if not for Ohtehil, actually.

RANDOM QUESTIONS

Have they harmed themselves: Minor things.

Thought of suicide: Yes.

Attempted suicide: No.

Wanted to kill someone: Yes.

Actually killed someone: Yes.

Ridden a horse: Yes. He’s quite the horseman.

Have/had a job: Yes.

Have any fears: He isn’t too fond of heights. Or blood.

FAMILY

Sibling(s): Ohtehil (22 years older) and Tretlas (55 years older).

Parents: Arelnian and Ciryarel Thramian. Both fought in the Great War/First War of the Empire on the Dominion’s side. Ciryarel was a skilled mage who worked rather high up in the Dominion and Arelnian was also well-respected as an informant and recruiter stationed primarily in Hammerfell. Ciryarel perished in the final battle and Arelnian received significant injury. Survived two years post-War, but a highly weakened immune system as a result of the injuries ultimately cost them their life.

Children: No. Later, however, he does adopt Lucia and Sofie and does have Diatres, his only biological child.

Pets: Cyrel, a smokey black and sleek Summerset-bred mare. Had her imported upon the discovery he would be suspended in Skyrim for longer than anticipated. Prior to that, she was being boarded for a rather expensive price over at the Sunhold stables. And then Umaril, a “Pocket” Salamander. Ohtehil got it for him for his 9th birthday not anticipating a long lifespan nor the HUGE size they grow to be. Once it started growing alarmingly fast and large Ohtehil figured as long as Estryon was enjoying himself it would be fine; once he grew older he could get rid of it if he tired of taking care of such a massive and intelligent creature. Estryon did not get rid of it. Quite the opposite. He’s the dude to have a suspiciously large bag being lugged around and you see him stop once he’s in the clear, unzip it, and suddenly his dog or in this case a very large monitor pokes his head out. His commitment to Umaril and Cyrel is incredible compared to his dedication towards actual people.

#long post #oc talk #oc; estryon #skyrim