#agamemnon and nandor i like but they are just stupid

[hanzajesthanza]

i watched the pilot of brba the other night and it occured to me then that there is a specific kind of guy that i become obsessed with turning over and over in my head like observing a coin shine in the sunlight:

a tragic adult male figure that ends up hurting those closest to him (and/or) everyone around him, because of his own crumbling to society's expectations and pressures of him as a man, leader, patriarch, or simply as a person, and a slow succumbing to self-loathing, insanity, addiction, curse, evil, or just long-suffering... and the tragic consequences of his instability and harmful behaviors affect his family first, perhaps the ones he loves most, or the only ones which love him, before it finally gets around back to him and he begins to suffer tenfold. sometimes they are dads (biological, or adoptive), or they are something like an unofficial guardian to a child, or they *would* have had a child had it not been for their behavior. sometimes there's a redemption arc or redeemable qualities, and sometimes there's just a slow demise.

#THISSS is what my mind revolves around. this is what i think everyone else should be obsessed with and no one seems to be #from top to bottom beginning with the good guys: emiel regis | geralt of rivia | simon petrikov (ice king) #for 'decent': odysseus | agamemnon | nandor (i put them in 'decent' by their ancient standards. obviously the war + pillaging isn't great) #nandor i gotta be real with you was a last-minute addition to this because wwdits is a comedy but i realized he fits this formula #despite the 'stay dead' mention. i forgot about wwdits #and i also forgot that he fathered a bunch of children soooo i edited it to put him in the father area #the 'awesome / decent / stay dead' ranking is by my own personal judgement of them btw and how much i like them #im sorry to put simon so (relatively) low but who didn't hate the ice king in the first few seasons of AT... #i actually really like odysseus... he's my academic poor little meow meow... but... problematic fave #agamemnon and nandor i like but they are just stupid #and below that i just have hate and contempt in my heart for them. like i hope they die and suffer greatly #i would have put emhyr but the thing is that emhyr was evil (power-hungry and selfish) since the beginning and he didn't really become #corrupted or anything he just continued being a horrible person. like just read a question of price basically lol #i dont need to explain geralt or regis. or do i. maybe i should. idk #basically for geralt i just think about sword of destiny and something more and how he left ciri in brokilon and condemned the both of them #and also how he wouldnt take the child when he went to see calanthe in something more like just real dumbass tragic hero behavior #regis. he's not a tragic hero but he destroyed his life catastrophically. he suffered a lot and made it everybody else's problem #so if you have any recs on other characters that are like this maybe i will become obsessed with them idk. #i think they have to be at least somewhat likable. learn from their past actions and try to make things better. even if they dont succeed #actually if they dont succeed thats even better (see: geralt) #but if they just suck for real then i just don't even want to watch or read more like damn get some help or k*ll yourself #i should honestly make my OC's dad like this. he already 90% is. honestly. #i like it when they are good on the inside :> and try to turn things around and save ppl they love but they meet a tragic end anyways :') #except odysseus i think he should get to live happily ever after on ithaca i'm honestly kind of glad we lost the telegony #men who are thiiiiis close to commiting s*icide from the extreme pressure society places upon them #but instead they chicken out and instead stab their wife or child. OR BOTH #txt #cw domestic violence